Why I quit FFXI.

[Jazeridan]

Vagary, delve and dynamis D requiring 3 people to enter. Sortie, everything new is exciting but it quickly became tedious, boring and absolutely hate doing it. Tired of shouts of people or just one person constantly selling an 8 hour session of leveling for 5 million gil on every server just to be sold back to the same people who bought this service for real money. Tired of game day waits for every damn thing and sometimes earth day waits. Long cut scenes of a story I don't care about. Not enough space for anything even with 8 wardrobes not to mention paying for those wardrobes. Almost 30 dollars for a subscription is absurd. Tired of people scamming people on materials needed to upgrade gear. Etched memories being sold for 50k a piece is absurd. No need for people to group cause its far easier to write a script within you gearswap if using windower or your lua using ashita to fully automate your characters to do anything you want. Tired of insane crafting reagents almost unobtainable in this current era such as cashmere cloth. Sick and tired of SE not allowing people to play there game with ridiculous restrictions.

[Pixela]

Nonsense, you played this game for many years and all these things were there all that time.

Whatever reason you quit (that you don't want to say), had little to do with those things.

Best of luck in your travels, the game will still be here if you wanna come back.

[Zehira]

No need for people to group cause its far easier to write a script within you gearswap if using windower or your lua using ashita to fully automate your characters to do anything you want.

I am glad someone finally said it. That's the main reason I was playing FFXI for last few years. Once you learned how, FFXI is no longer a game you used to play many years ago.

After the 20th anniversary, I can accept that SE doesn't want to do something big because players are breaking the rules all the time.

[Alhanelem]

"far easier" if you want to pay for 3-6 accounts, sure. But many of us aren't willing to do that.

But the whole point of an MMORPG is playing with other people. Why is everyone so averse to doing that?

[Zehira]

Why is everyone so averse to doing that?

Because you can't afford your time playing both XI and XIV.

XIV is a lot easier to play with other people, XI became their solo game.

[Pixela]

Ironically, although you can play with others easier on XIV it has far less meaning and they might as well be purely AI.

When you do group on XI, it's actual human interaction because you have to put effort in and people will talk to you.

This isn't banging on XIV either, all modern mmorpgs are the same.

I remember playing another game with all the bells and whistles of party building, I played a tank and I spammed dungeons all day. Talking 6-7 hours of it, I played with so many different people and it was near instant match.

At the end of the day I felt completely and utterly depressed in a way I had never experienced on XI in 15 years of playing, I had "played" with literally hundreds of people and it meant nothing. It was souless, and I felt awful when I went to bed.

It felt better to solo all day than go through this charade of "playing with people" when nobody talked, you would never see them again and there was no social interaction much at all other than hi bye and gg.

What's that saying, "in a room full of people and still alone" that's what it feels like to "play with others" on a dungeon finder game.

[Zehira]

Since SE is serving two MMORPGs, they aren't helping XI that much. That can pressure players to lose an interest. I think as Yoshi-P has stated somewhere their employees don't care if they are getting paid they don't want to work on this game.

Good luck with helping SE community reps who have little to no knowledge of the current state of this game. You know more than me. I was kind of impressed to see SE isn't taking their time to read the in-game reports since over a month.

[VoiceMemo]

The game has been and always will be what you make of it. I do majority of events with the same people, you just need to find people that play during your time frame that share you ideals/goals. They don't need to share EVERYTHING but as long as there is some common interest and you all are amicable then you get stuff done.

People are out there, you just gotta find them, be proactive and be a leader, not a sheep.

[Sp1cyryan]

If you truly quit then there is no reason to linger around on the forums until you come back again.

[Beastorizer]

I tried to get into XIV, which is why I am back here after making a thread about how the sub model for old games like this is outdated. I have a few accounts around here (I will let you guys figure out who I am, "Hint" in the sig); because I have been playing XI since I was 18. However, not everyone is that committed. Nor is it feasible financially, unless you are a single guy like me.

XIV is easier to get into, and dare I say more solo friendly than XI due to the hand holding and NPC duty finder (The Tank literally carries you). XI is a bit more daunting, unless you are a returning player familiar with the ins and outs. XI's combat system is also much deeper.

XIV's job design is FREAKING TERRIBLE. Everything just feels "Not so Final Fantasy" about that game. It feels more like a South Korean mmo. Even SMN feels off; as a true pet class that is. I don't think I will ever get into XIV, unless they add BST and a Doberman pet from VI. They will probably screw it up like they did SMN so.......yeah....

If you are a Final Fantasy fan, you will gravitate towards XI. If you just want to ride the wave........You will love XIV...and Fortnite.

If you are committed, maybe grab another copy when it is on sale. Or "Gasp" get a merc.....OR, grab some buddies. The latter, I undertand....all my homies quit, so I do engage in double duty sometimes. Finding people to play with is easy. Finding drama is just as easy in an mmo.

If you do come back; maybe get into a social LS. They tend to be more laid back, and open. To Pix point, FF is pretty much the same game from old in terms of the grind.

[RichLester]

If you are a veteran of this game like me (since 2006 with having a few years off in the early years; Was 21 & I'm now 39), we no longer have much time for this game anymore. I go on this for a few hours a day doing daily stuff like Sortie, seeing how long it's going to take to reach the heights only a few people have done but it feels things are moving further & further away.

I think the latest updates are actually being tested out by elitists & not thinking of others who have been left behind and there are a lot of us left behind. SE are leaving old content behind that can no longer be done like Vagary. I agree SE needs to produce another way of getting etched memories cheaply in order to get empyrean+1 gear quicker or make Vagary single player for farming them. Was Sortie ever discussed with a variety of players with various skills before deciding to create that battlefield?

Doesn't the message when we log into the game from PlayOnline say "Do not neglect your work, school, family & friends"? Well, that's now been thrown completely out of the window. When we were doing campaign battles all those years ago, the game actually had a balance to it all. Now the game feels like when the elite were all doing old skool Dynamis again, hogging all the slots & not allowing the others to catch up at all. SE needs to take everyone into consideration.

I'm just waiting on Resurgence to reach it's conclusion & I'll decide whether it's worthwhile continuing on with this then. We have plenty of upcoming games to be getting on with, too, like FFXVI & FFVII Part 2, etc.

[Beastorizer]

^^^Pretty much this x100. Alot of us from early XI are well into our 30s. No more part-time pizza boys and Kroger baggers.

I really don't have high hopes for XVI, because the same mind behind XIV, is behind XVI. Little things drive me nuts about XIV; little nuances such as BLU not being able to do the story, or an actual pet job prevent it from being my favorite FF title.

That is why I stuck with XI for so long, XIV has yet to grasp me so I keep coming back, lol....but I digress.....

[Sp1cyryan]

^^^Pretty much this x100. Alot of us from early XI are well into our 30s. No more part-time pizza boys and Kroger baggers.

You are giving waaaaaay too much credit to XI players.

[RichLester]

What I found with this game is a good sense of community & we can actually solo quite a lot of content but unfortunately not for high level stuff. Old content we can do solo but nowadays, it's all about how much time we spend on this now, which is less & less.

The japanese are very good, which I expect they can wipe the basement floors of Sortie with ease. They'll dictate how Resurgence will finish, not thinking about how many people are behind & play this casually. I hope SE does another one of those censuses they done a few years ago to see where the current state of play is.

[Alhanelem]

You are giving waaaaaay too much credit to XI players.
Not strictly speaking a bagger anymore, but I've been working in a grocery store since before FFXI and still am now, despite a college degree and various other things...

[Sp1cyryan]

Not strictly speaking a bagger anymore, but I've been working in a grocery store since before FFXI and still am now, despite a college degree and various other things...

I rest my case.

It's another conversation entirely though. Not disparaging either btw, since tone can't be read.

[Pixela]

Why are you trying so hard to denigrate people who play FFXI?

[Alhanelem]

I rest my case.

It's another conversation entirely though. Not disparaging either btw, since tone can't be read.
I mean, we all do what we gotta do.

I guess I'm really just not sure where you're going with this.

[Kalimairo]

Vagary, delve and dynamis D requiring 3 people to enter. Sortie, everything new is exciting but it quickly became tedious, boring and absolutely hate doing it. Tired of shouts of people or just one person constantly selling an 8 hour session of leveling for 5 million gil on every server just to be sold back to the same people who bought this service for real money. Tired of game day waits for every damn thing and sometimes earth day waits. Long cut scenes of a story I don't care about. Not enough space for anything even with 8 wardrobes not to mention paying for those wardrobes. Almost 30 dollars for a subscription is absurd. Tired of people scamming people on materials needed to upgrade gear. Etched memories being sold for 50k a piece is absurd. No need for people to group cause its far easier to write a script within you gearswap if using windower or your lua using ashita to fully automate your characters to do anything you want. Tired of insane crafting reagents almost unobtainable in this current era such as cashmere cloth. Sick and tired of SE not allowing people to play there game with ridiculous restrictions.

you are so right the biggest problem in this game is the lack of content, and the stupid Easy farm botts that everyone and their mom uses, because the players are now 90% cheaters, and no one wants to party. ad square releasing stupid new Leveling Process that is even worse than the 75 Era. hell i even played a classic private server and got to 60 in less than a week, fuck the community to be frank thats why we cant have nice things,

[Kalimairo]

"far easier" if you want to pay for 3-6 accounts, sure. But many of us aren't willing to do that.

But the whole point of an MMORPG is playing with other people. Why is everyone so averse to doing that?

Because everyone is multiboxing.

[Pixela]

Because everyone is multiboxing.

No, trusts exist.

[Sp1cyryan]

Because everyone is multiboxing.

I'm not multiboxing.

[Alhanelem]

Nor am I. And frankly I think anyone willing to pay for 6 accounts to do content without other players is insane, but that's just my opinion.

[Pixela]

I have multiboxed for a long long time, I even did it when I was in a large HNMLS (but that was mainly for scanning or camping windows) so it's not an anti social thing.

Some people don't understand the appeal of multiboxing, for many it's because it feels good and is a unique feature of FFXI that sets it apart from other mmorpgs (the lack of rotations and strict job roles makes multiboxing so much more enjoyable on xi than any other). It's almost a JRPG feel (I've been playing some star ocean the divine force and the character swapping feels very similar), where you have multiple characters in your party you can swap between them during battle. I don't use automation, I do it manually over my multiple characters. This means I'm not anywhere near as good at it as some you see on youtube, but I enjoy doing it and that matters more to me.

I like swapping between my characters, I like being able to play multiple roles in the fight, I like the little strategy element where I have to plan the fight more before I start, I like gearing each one up, I like making progression on more characters at once, I like the party mindset when you have alts.

A lot of people multibox because they really enjoy it and it adds a massive amount of satisfaction to the game for them.

I actually find it boring when I go play another mmorpg because it's so limiting, you just play that one character all day and that's it.

Most people who multibox play 2-3 characters and not 5-6, trusts have been a major boost to the multiboxing scene on XI since they basically support you playing multiple characters in a way that wasn't really possible before.

[Edelfelt]

I think most ppl quit FFXI because...

Other than the outdated UI and graphics and existence of better MMO's...

The game is probably the most RMT infested, 3rd Party tool is so rampant its mandatory, Bot filled game I ever played lol. And I played Lost Ark.

Not to mention new players(if any) and returning players have to gear up to extraordinary levels to even do anything like Sortie D + E or 9000 Segment C Farms. Pretty much if you don't have an REMA RP15 weapon with max RP gear, you chances of progressing is almost NIL unless you find a group in this limited playerbase or resort to RMT.

Best to play the game to reminisce , not for the Endgame.

[RichLester]

I agree & that's why I don't mind playing casually and taking my time with it all. I've got plenty of old quests to be getting on with & watch the cutscenes but high-level gear helps to do these old quests much quicker. I think SE are running too fast, just to please the hardcore base so not many casual players can catch up. The market changes too, which doesn't help with old skool synthesis.
I see a lot of RMT going but as long as they keep outta the way then there's nothing we or SE can do about it. Maybe SE can ban stupid default name creations or keep an eye on people's time of anything over 5 hrs gameplay in one session. SE needs to keep an eye on global shouts for RMT messages & ban them immediately. The messages seem automated so should be easy for them to set up some spam messages report on their side & ban the accounts, along with the accounts they are levelling up. Skillups should've had a lot bigger effect at higher levels in order to control power leveling. When it comes to multi-boxing, I think SE can't do anything about it but they tried to correct that when creating FFXIV like retainers for selling stuff, instead of sitting there in Port Jeuno.
I am also lucky I found a good linkshell with a good bunch of veterans to help me out :). Finding one of them is very useful & I recommend asking around for one.

[Alhanelem]

Some people don't understand the appeal of multiboxing, for many it's because it feels good and is a unique feature of FFXI that sets it apart from other mmorpgs
It's not a feature of FFXI. The game was not designed to allow this, it's just something people did. You can multibox in any MMO, it just might not be quite as easy.

I'm sorry your reasoning behind this doesn't pass muster.




The game is probably the most RMT infested, 3rd Party tool is so rampant its mandatory, Bot filled game I ever played lol. And I played Lost Ark.I played maplestory for a long time. It's worse.

[Pixela]

I think most ppl quit FFXI because...

Other than the outdated UI and graphics and existence of better MMO's...

The game is probably the most RMT infested, 3rd Party tool is so rampant its mandatory, Bot filled game I ever played lol. And I played Lost Ark.

Not to mention new players(if any) and returning players have to gear up to extraordinary levels to even do anything like Sortie D + E or 9000 Segment C Farms. Pretty much if you don't have an REMA RP15 weapon with max RP gear, you chances of progressing is almost NIL unless you find a group in this limited playerbase or resort to RMT.

Best to play the game to reminisce , not for the Endgame.

The UI makes no difference, this is bs arguments especially with all the addon support. What do you even want from the UI that's different, it works perfectly fine.

There is no better mmo if you like what this game offers, they are only better if you don't like what it offers or you specifically want something different.

There are also not more RMT on XI than any other game, you just have more tools on XI to see them and a system to make gil that they use that puts them under your eyeballs (they make most of their gil via low level chars). On XIV for instance they move around under the maps, or in the sky or just in places people are less likely to goto.

FFXI is what it is, it's pretty much progression crack with million pieces of gear you can collect. If they make these things easier they will kill the appeal of the game, or just allow players to burn through it too fast and have nothing else to do and they will still quit anyway.

[Alhanelem]

"addon support"
Well... it's not really supported and has at least slight potential to get you in trouble depending on the addon.

I remind everyone that there were originally plans for a new and improved mouse+keyboard friendly UI but it was abandoned at some point after we got to try out a very early version of it on the test server.

Oh and edit for spicy: BG's "FFXI history" (which has a little too much opinion injected into it for my liking but hey, its still informative) was highly critical of the extremely early test version of the UI we got to see. It should be worth noting that it was stated to still be very early in development and did not contain any art assets like the standard UI has. The finished version probably wasn't going to look anything like that visually- and what functionality was present was a step in the right direction like moveable windows and such. But the page makes it sound like the stripped down art-free thing we saw was final and looked like an office program (i dont remember the exact words) and it wasn't even close to that. Just saying. I still wish they'd go back and finish it.

[RichLester]

I don't think SE making this easier so we can get gear cheaper, quicker & kill faster will lose the appeal of the game. Spending so much time on this you'll have nothing left to do would make people lose its appeal to some. For veterans of the game like me, we just don't have time for this anymore. Life moves on.

Regarding UI, this game wasn't designed for any "add-on" stuff. I thought that was banned by SE, I dunno. Regarding RMT, they are now nowhere near as bad as they used to be. It changed when SE realised they can utilise the Rare/Ex system to make the best gear obtainable only by doing stuff & not paying for it. It was bad years ago. Now it is mostly ignored, so long as SE makes the really good powerful stuff Rare/Ex.

To stop power-leveling, SE could do a general thing like "If you play for longer than 6 hours in any long gaming session, your character will start to lose master levels, job points, etc. every 10 minutes", which is in effect for the next 6 hours. Sometimes on weekends I do a 5 hour stint but 6 hours is a bit too long so you then go do something else.

[Edelfelt]

RMT Driven Economy

Insane requirements to join a typical group (REMA R15 required)

Time gated/Repetitive Endgame content

Time consuming grouping for content

I'm in Asura and I'm convinced FFXI has more Bots/RMT to player ratio than Lost Ark lol.

[Pixela]

If you don't like it goto another server.

[Uriah]

If you don't like it goto another server.

Nice of you to offer to pay the fee for them, make sure you get their paypal so you can send them the money.

[Pixela]

If you can't afford $12 you shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

[Uriah]

That's cute but doesn't work. If you're going to tell them to spend money, you should be willing to put your money up.

And its $18

[Pixela]

I'm giving them an answer to their problem, they can choose to take it or not.

Also it's half that 3-4 times a year.

[Alhanelem]

That's cute but doesn't work. If you're going to tell them to spend money, you should be willing to put your money up.

And its $18
As I've said many times before, they should offer free transfers off of the highest population worlds and with relaxed limits on gil etc.

Before you say anything about making money, plenty of people are going to transfer to them or to other servers and they will still make money from it. But the whole entire point of offering this in the first place is to achieve a better population balance such that the most people are having a good experience and thus want to keep playing, which should make them far more money than a server transfer ever could.

[Pixela]

3 reasons they should not offer free transfers:

1) The server transfer service is legit broken, and has been for years.

If you order one and login too fast it straight up breaks the process, which means a GM then has to get involved and manually move you (this is a cost in lost man-hours, which is greater than the fee) This would end up costing them a lot of money and cause chaos for the GM team (That cover 11 and 14 btw) Yoshi P would never allow it.

2) people will 10000% abuse it to carpetbag, so if they did it they would have to lock you on the server you moved to for a long time.

3) It's a business that exists to make money, they should never offer you something for free when it doesn't even have a cash shop like wow and 14 does.

If you want something that badly, pay for it. Lots of people have, which is why Bahamut became the 2nd biggest server.

[Alhanelem]

1) The server transfer service is legit broken, and has been for years.
Bad reason.



2) people will 10000% abuse it to carpetbag, so if they did it they would have to lock you on the server you moved to for a long time. I don't think that word means what you think it means. Besides that, there are already limitations on how often you can server transfer.



3) It's a business that exists to make money, they should never offer you something for free when it doesn't even have a cash shop like wow and 14 does. Apples and oranges, cash shops are irrelevant to this. And as I said, only transfers off the highest pop worlds would be free. They'd still be selling plenty of $18 world transfers for people who aren't on the highest pop world(s).



If you want something that badly, pay for it. Lots of people have, which is why Bahamut became the 2nd biggest server. Lots of people want something to a certain degree but not enough to pay the pirce they're asking. Incentives help convince people to do those things.



Bahamut became the 2nd biggest server. It's still not enough, populations need to be balanced across multiple servers not just one or two. But the fact that you are arguing people are already transferring should just make it clear how bad the problem is. Yes, some people might be moving, but clearly not enough are.

[Stuzey]

Why I quit 2013 - To play FXIV ARR, the original FFXIV didn't run on my then PC, but I had signed up for beta testing for ARR

Why I came back - I didn't like FFXIV

Why I quit 2021 - After covid lockdowns, working from home, I had run out of content, I didn't want to spam odyssey, wanted something new, new zones, new enemies

Why I came back - 20th anniversary, wanted to check out sortie and stuck around

Why I'm thinking of quiting again - lack of new zones, new content which isn't rehashed old content, lack of investment

Why I'll probably be back - Everyone comes back, you just can't stay quit

[Pixela]

https://i.imgur.com/TAbTzso.jpg

I like Hell Tacos

[Alhanelem]

I know all about liking unpopular things, unfortunately it is often the case that those unpopular things disappear.
Like every game mode of League of Legends I actually liked. Deleted.

[Lortheron]

exactly this.

[Pixela]

I know all about liking unpopular things, unfortunately it is often the case that those unpopular things disappear.
Like every game mode of League of Legends I actually liked. Deleted.

There is a big difference between being unpopular and being niche.

A niche product, has lower costs and makes profits appealing to a niche market that are fiercely loyal.

A popular product makes a mass market, watered down clone of what is popular and competes with the biggest and most profitable games in the industry.

By your logic, nobody should make hell tacos because it's unpopular. That's not how business works though.

FFXI and Eve Online are both loved games that make good profits, however it's going to be a hard sell for some company to make a game to compete for this limited market. As such FFXI and Eve have a certain degree of a monopoly on the markets they appeal to and as such have uncontested profits.

[Alhanelem]

There is a big difference between being unpopular and being niche.Not really.

Something that is niche only appeals to a specific subset of people. People within that subset love the product/thing/whatever, but the majority do not. I think you just take offense to something being called "unpopular." If only a few people like something, unpopular is an appropriate word. Niche is basically a sugar-coated synonym for unpopular. If only a few people like or do something, that thing is unpopular. Niche is just a nicer way to describe it.


By your logic, nobody should make hell tacos because it's unpopular.That's not my logic, and I never said people SHOULDN'T make things because they're unpopular. I'm only saying that they often don't or they stop.

It's a shame when something we like disappears due to lack of popularity. But a niche audience for a product can make it really hard to sustain that product if they can't eventually grow that audience.

Like my example. It's not to say that nobody played Dominion or Twisted Treeline in League. they had a NICHE following that was very dedicated to those modes. But that wasn't enough for them to justify keeping it, because it complicated their QA process and added to their server costs.

Nowhere did I ever say that it isn't okay for only a few people to like something, because like I said, I'm often in that boat myself. But that something has to achieve certain minimum metrics or it isn't likely to be sustainable.

[Immortal]

OP is the type of hypocrite "tired" of all that and then he goes to play on a private server where those exact problems are expounded on 50x. Gotta love how hypocritical people can be. Hes complaining about the exact same things that have been staples in this game since day1 lol

[Alhanelem]

How do you know they're on a private server?

[Immortal]

Because I was born on the internet and raised. Well, I know how people are so he is either on XIV or a private sever. Hes exactly the type of person to say something like "omg I hate that SE did x, im quitting XI and will be on XIV, they wont get my money!"

I will agree with him on the fact that botting and cheating has become rampant. SE really needed to reign that in ages ago, but I fear is too late. Its had a negative impact on the community overall as multi boxing has pushed out group/team efforts. Multi boxing has become as prominent due to ease of use with addons and most specifically bots to automate.

[Alhanelem]

Because I was born on the internet and raised. Well, I know how people are so he is either on XIV or a private sever. Hes exactly the type of person to say something like "omg I hate that SE did x, im quitting XI and will be on XIV, they wont get my money!"I mean while that's entirely possible, it's just an assumption. You basically made an assertion of fact which implies you know they are on a private server, either because they told you or because you've seen them on one and can confirm it's the same person, or saw them live streaming, etc.
You can say "they're probably on a private server" without knowing this, but you can't say with certainty that they are.