Your "assurance" means less than nothing

[Uriah]

I want actual confirmation. Your assurance that it is being investigated is a lie.

When reporting to the STF you need to give a confirmation number or a report number so the report can be tracked and verified that it was received and investigated properly.

Assure that they are being properly investigated by having some confirmational accountability.

[Uriah]

You claim to have banned 1,038 accounts in June.

I can name 1,038 characters botting right this moment on Asura alone.

[Alhanelem]

You know what else means less than nothing? this thread :p

You and everyone knew that's about the only response you'd possibly get.

[Uriah]

Relatively sure no one is under the impression that anything of any consequence comes of the post.

But it still needs to be said.

There can only be deniability if it goes unchallenged.

[Alhanelem]

Relatively sure no one is under the impression that anything of any consequence comes of the post.

But it still needs to be said.

There can only be deniability if it goes unchallenged.Nothing needs to be said. SE never had any obligation to give you what you asked for. They have nothing to prove to you, if you're not happy with the company and their policies, you have the power to let them know by not giving them money.

[Uriah]

You claim to have banned 1,182 accounts in July.

I can name more than 1,182 characters botting right this moment on Asura. And an additional 100+ advertising RMT activity in yell.

[Uriah]

You only banned 988 accounts in August. Seriously!?

I can literally name and locate over a thousand bots right this very moment.

[Alhanelem]

Please do!

[Uriah]

I'm willing to make time almost anytime any day to give a GM a tour. Listing them will only get the thread deleted.

[Alhanelem]

I'm willing to make time almost anytime any day to give a GM a tour. Listing them will only get the thread deleted.I'm okay with this

[Sp1cyryan]

Wow. I'm sure today is the day you convince anyone, OP.

[Velner]

If you can actually name 1,000 bots right now, you should be able to understand right there why the STF might struggle. . . that's 1,000 accounts and logs to analyze to determine whether it is truly a bot. Sure, it's easy for you to confirm it without having to do anything of consequence, but the STF has to actually follow protocols and absolutely verify with data that a character is botting before taking an action. If they have to then prove it to you after the fact, that will just slow things down further.

[Uriah]

No analyzing required, obvious is obvious. They don't do it, not because it's hard, but because they choose not to.

It would be a significant hit to the fake sub count and profit. It would be foolish for them to do it. And that's fine, it's a business decision. If they would stop being disingenuous about it I wouldn't care.

[Alhanelem]

Still waiting for them to actually make a list of 1000 bots and prove that every one of them is active.

Don't have to put it here, make a link to it. :)

[Uriah]

Make a mule on asura. Tour Doh, Woh, Sih, Moh, KRT, CN_S, Cirdas, Reisenjima, Escha-Zitah/Sky Promivion zones you'll find a thousand any time of day

Go anywhere spheres drop, you'll find a killing bot (or multiple) and a synthing bot. Go anywhere in adoulin to find 10-20 synth bots. They don't even try to be discreet.

1 bot in QSC, 2 bots in SSG, 1 bot in Rancor

18 bots in South Gustaberg, on every server, level synced to 10 thursday-sunday (sometimes on wednesday) 18 bots in Ronfaure, on every server, same set up.

10-20 yell bots advertising RMT for the bots in Doh/KRT/CN_S

3 or 4 sets of 6 anon bsts spam HTB Avatar fights all day every day.
3 or 4 sets of 6 anon pups, same thing

Party of 6-8 bots kill Morta 24/7

1 or 2 packs of 6 bots spam V2 Ambuscade all day every day

20+ bots spam salvage all day every day

4 or 5 bots spam legion all day every day

Never not 20+ bots in old dyna

There's packs of 18 hiding in sih/moh/yahse/GC/Boyahda/Gustav/Kuftal Pling new bots/collecting sparks

Dozens of reive bots that just stand on reives and kill them every respawn.

Packs of bots run Vagary/Delve/Incursion all day every day

[Velner]

Again, you have to substantiate each one of those suspected bots with data. It requires reviewing the logs or having some level of interaction with each character to ensure it's a bot. It would not be prudent to just immediately ban anybody suspected of botting with "obvious is obvious" because innocent people will get swept up. That takes time and manpower that XI unfortunately doesn't have any longer.

[Uriah]

It takes no manpower at all, stop making excuses for the billion dollar company. They're fully capable.

Absolute worst case it would cost a single 8 hour shift, and a janitor could do it. (I'll do it for FREE)

They WONT because it will lose millions. Don't conflate it with CANT. It is a choice.

[Alhanelem]

Absolute worst case it would cost a single 8 hour shift, and a janitor could do it.yeah, that's not how it works. Even if they are intrested in banning bots, they still need to investigate to not issue false bans. If you go "look the way that guy is moving, BAN" "that guy has gibberish name BAN" "That guy is AFK near an NM spawn and only acts when a placeholder's up BAN (which still takes a minimum amount of time to determine)" you are going to catch innocent people in with our wild swinging. By taking the time to investigate anyone they do ban will have no case for an appeal and so they don't have to deal with or really even have an appeals process.

Even if they DID do it your way, it would STILL be a never ending whack a mole game, in the hours it takes you to get though thsouands of suspected bots on a server, more will spring up. The only real consequence might be RMTs charge more for their services.

Having been the "police" for many a forum in my day, and one or two relatively small games (where while it wasn't really my role specifically, I would have people constantly telling me about cheaters etc). I know with certainty that it isn't as easy as you want it to be.

Also: the same people who handle this stuff are the GMs and support staff who handle customer support as well, and given your attitude and approach, well... GM Dave comes to mind (who remembers that?)

[Uriah]

They've never cared if they banned innocents before, they aren't concerned about it now either. It's purely monetarily motivated.

[Dzspdref]

Also: the same people who handle this stuff are the GMs and support staff who handle customer support as well, and given your attitude and approach, well... GM Dave comes to mind (who remembers that?)

This made me absolutely chuckle, so I HAD to go to [GM]Dave's blogspot and read through a good amount of stupidity calls and how he handled them. I needed those laughs! Thanks!!
If you need the link I can post it here for you :)
"Fafnir hits Player [Uriah] for 8,452 points of damage." comes to mind.

[Sp1cyryan]

Make a mule on asura. Tour Doh, Woh, Sih, Moh, KRT, CN_S, Cirdas, Reisenjima, Escha-Zitah/Sky Promivion zones you'll find a thousand any time of day

Go anywhere spheres drop, you'll find a killing bot (or multiple) and a synthing bot. Go anywhere in adoulin to find 10-20 synth bots. They don't even try to be discreet.

1 bot in QSC, 2 bots in SSG, 1 bot in Rancor

18 bots in South Gustaberg, on every server, level synced to 10 thursday-sunday (sometimes on wednesday) 18 bots in Ronfaure, on every server, same set up.

10-20 yell bots advertising RMT for the bots in Doh/KRT/CN_S

3 or 4 sets of 6 anon bsts spam HTB Avatar fights all day every day.
3 or 4 sets of 6 anon pups, same thing

Party of 6-8 bots kill Morta 24/7

1 or 2 packs of 6 bots spam V2 Ambuscade all day every day

20+ bots spam salvage all day every day

4 or 5 bots spam legion all day every day

Never not 20+ bots in old dyna

There's packs of 18 hiding in sih/moh/yahse/GC/Boyahda/Gustav/Kuftal Pling new bots/collecting sparks

Dozens of reive bots that just stand on reives and kill them every respawn.

Packs of bots run Vagary/Delve/Incursion all day every day

A third or more of the players on Asura at a time are botting CP? We are supposed to trust your word when you exaggerate this much?

[Pixela]

I don't understand why you bother with these posts, you know as well as I do this is a strategy.

It does not matter how much you complain they are not going to change how they operate.

Where we are now took 20 years to perfect.

[Uriah]

On the off chance that it might actually open at least one persons eyes to the reality.

Not square, I know, you know, we all know, what they're doing. But there are still entirely too many blind and/or oblivious people.

[Alhanelem]

On the off chance that it might actually open at least one persons eyes to the reality.

Not square, I know, you know, we all know, what they're doing. But their are still entirely too many blind and/or oblivious people.
The thing is, we all already know the reality. We don't need our eyes opened, we're all very well aware of it. We were aware of it before you reached 200 posts on this account, if not before that.

[Sp1cyryan]

On the off chance that it might actually open at least one persons eyes to the reality.

Not square, I know, you know, we all know, what they're doing. But their are still entirely too many blind and/or oblivious people.

Let it go. The pattern of obsession and angst displayed is unhealthy and makes no meaningful change.

[Tarmarkvar]

On the off chance that it might actually open at least one persons eyes to the reality.

Not square, I know, you know, we all know, what they're doing. But their are still entirely too many blind and/or oblivious people.

And then what? Do you get some monetary kickback for converting people to your obsessive hatred for a game you inexplicably continue to play? Mature people will just pack up and leave rather than relentlessly obsess. You're actually lucky that SE is lax in enforcing their rules, otherwise you would have been kicked from this forum for spam.

[Sp1cyryan]

And then what? Do you get some monetary kickback for converting people to your obsessive hatred for a game you inexplicably continue to play? Mature people will just pack up and leave rather than relentlessly obsess. You're actually lucky that SE is lax in enforcing their rules, otherwise you would have been kicked from this forum for spam.

They were but since they came back the mod gave up. I am not exaggerating either.
They shouldn't hold a position they can't handle. It is a further degrading factor on the reputation of the management for this game and community.

[Alhanelem]

You're actually lucky that SE is lax in enforcing their rules, otherwise you would have been kicked from this forum for spam.

He's actually had one account banned from the forums, SE just doesn't feel like playing whack a mole with him. I really wouldn't put it past him to buy more registration codes just to bypass forum bans if they did ban him again.

[Catmato]

He's actually had one account banned from the forums, SE just doesn't feel like playing whack a mole with him. I really wouldn't put it past him to buy more registration codes just to bypass forum bans if they did ban him again.

He's been banned far more than once.

[Sp1cyryan]

He's been banned far more than once.

They should keep that going because it's barely any effort on their part and loads more on his.

[Uriah]

Your bans per month keep dropping lower and lower, yet there are more and more bots.

You claim to have banned 805 accounts for the entire month of September, across all servers. There are 805 bots shouting on Asura alone 24/7. Not even botting in general, JUST the shout bots. How are there still people naive enough to think you're actually doing anything anymore.

There are literally more than 250 bots in just South Gustaberg, at this exact moment in time. 16 servers with 18 galka bots per server. It is offensive how you ignore this.

[Sp1cyryan]

Your bans per month keep dropping lower and lower, yet there are more and more bots.

You claim to have banned 805 accounts for the entire month of September, across all servers. There are 805 bots shouting on Asura alone 24/7. Not even botting in general, JUST the shout bots. How are there still people naive enough to think you're actually doing anything anymore.

There are literally more than 250 bots in just South Gustaberg, at this exact moment in time. 16 servers with 18 galka bots per server. It is offensive how you ignore this.

Ever consider a hobby like building a birdhouse or something? Who sits there in a reasonable frame of mind losing their cool over the bans per month not going up?

Find an effective way of dealing with the bots instead of screaming into the official forums.

[Alhanelem]

Personally, I enjoy MMORPGs, playing the hurdy-gurdy, TCGs, pirate reenactment, and failing to successfully interact with my amazon parrot whom only likes human females.

[Sp1cyryan]

Personally, I enjoy MMORPGs, playing the hurdy-gurdy, TCGs, pirate reenactment, and failing to successfully interact with my amazon parrot whom only likes human females.

Tell me more about the hurdy-gurdy.

[Alhanelem]

it's a stringed musical instrument t hat dates back to the middle ages, which uses a crank-turned wheel to sound the strings in a similar manner to a violin bow and a keyboard over the melody strings is used to change the pitch instead of pressing on them directly. They also have drone strings which constantly sound a single pitch (much like bagpipes have drone pipes) as well as trompette strings which sit on a special bridge that causes them to buzz when you crank in a certain deliberate fashion to create rhythm.

I'm not particularly good at it but I've managed a few things, the sandoria theme works pretty well on it.

Of course mine is a modern design from a luthier in Brazil but they come in many shapes and sizes. This one also has a preamp so I can plug in to things.

https://i.imgur.com/plfbxCv.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/vG6ZTYA.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/K1EF1gd.jpg https://previews.dropbox.com/p/thumb/ABrKwVQQCqtROKCrnWScrt2mZ5JUAe3CMNuPuPkvIKwFeNt7WcUPMEN91N84Tmymg2nhrlJCYaUQDMPh0aVktfLYVsmuro-KKFn2Zkfvy0_lneWDlFfq90ZNRiA4RMZWjkCnwiIeOAobPqNRD-JOB1JYgRoh3DsU9WYP3wM7PeDPI86D2glZ4RzGsah_Zykwma_bn0t2cjxvsNzFZRaxEyZNdJ2bsCs9PapdQ9nAKEydlUeesw-GluMg7ITut2BQIqCt5_X0032gp_icG3EVpS9DLvSQ93LzzXX5zg5hXNqEJsmbs5JWPMeHOTWGapWDyyqRwesOVQeY3q-_Ox_97YKlvuS4QDwSZKim_gmy6-o4PjLz5gqxjDEE43Kpwqh7N5w/p.jpeg
here's a more traditional lute back style one


https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1006441839328501803/1029551504337686538/2.jpg?width=624&height=468

[Pixela]

That's awesome.

[Sp1cyryan]

That's awesome.

Feel free to take it up.

[Uriah]

While 1200 is a large improvement over Septembers complete and utter joke, it continues to highlight the unabashed failure of the unit to have 3000 bots on just one server but managing only to ban 1200 across all servers.

Absolutely shameless in your greed and failures.

[Sp1cyryan]

While 1200 is a large improvement over Septembers complete and utter joke, it continues to highlight the unabashed failure of the unit to have 3000 bots on just one server but managing only to ban 1200 across all servers.

Absolutely shameless in your greed and failures.

No one forces you to stick around.

[Uriah]

948 Accounts banned in November. There are 18 Elf bots on every server, every weekend. There are 18 Galka bots on every server, every weekend.

In addition to 200 bots in King Ranps Tomb. 50 bots in each "gates" zone. 50 Bots in CN_S. 50 Bots in Bhaflau. 50 Bots in "promivion zones" 50+ Bots in Bibiki and 500 bots shouting and yelling 24/7 on just Asura alone.

Craft bots in every city.
Sphere bots in every zone.
Shout bots in every city.

How do you manage to only ban 948 of them when there are THOUSANDS. It is legitimately difficult to believe there are any players at all. They are overwhelmingly outnumbered by bots.

[Alhanelem]

My experience on Shiva contradicts your assertions.

[Auriga]

I want actual confirmation. Your assurance that it is being investigated is a lie.

When reporting to the STF you need to give a confirmation number or a report number so the report can be tracked and verified that it was received and investigated properly.

Assure that they are being properly investigated by having some confirmational accountability.
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You won't stand alone on this. I got your back (for now anyway).

As for the contender "Alhanelem" yea.. I'm gonna call it an suggest your one of the many "power playing" or if nothing else well in support of that which we're against in this subject.

As for the ideology that "SE never had any obligation to give you what you asked for." I do hereby challenge that statement with the following:

Japanese Law:
Basic Act on Consumer Policies （Act No. 78 of 1968） Last Version： Act No. 60 of 2012

Article 5

(1)A business is responsible for doing as follows as regards the goods or services it provides, in recognition of respect for consumers' rights, support for their self-reliance, and other fundamental principles referred to in Article 2:
(i)to ensure consumer safety and fairness in its transactions with consumers;
(ii)to provide consumers with the necessary information clearly and simply;
(iii)to consider things such as the consumer's knowledge, experience, and financial status in its dealings with consumers;
(iv)to endeavor to establish the necessary systems to process complaints by consumers appropriately and promptly, and to appropriately process the relevant complaints;
(v)to cooperate with the consumer policies implemented by the State and local governments.

I highly encourage you to read #4 there "Alhanelem".

Now back to what I was doing before I came here..

[Sp1cyryan]

Japanese law, huh? Wow, you must be ready to take them to court in Japan to make a case they aren't in compliance with the law. Good luck with that, lolol.

[Alhanelem]

==

You won't stand alone on this. I got your back (for now anyway).

As for the contender "Alhanelem" yea.. I'm gonna call it an suggest your one of the many "power playing" or if nothing else well in support of that which we're against in this subject.

As for the ideology that "SE never had any obligation to give you what you asked for." I do hereby challenge that statement with the following:

Japanese Law:
Basic Act on Consumer Policies （Act No. 78 of 1968） Last Version： Act No. 60 of 2012

Article 5

(1)A business is responsible for doing as follows as regards the goods or services it provides, in recognition of respect for consumers' rights, support for their self-reliance, and other fundamental principles referred to in Article 2:
(i)to ensure consumer safety and fairness in its transactions with consumers;
(ii)to provide consumers with the necessary information clearly and simply;
(iii)to consider things such as the consumer's knowledge, experience, and financial status in its dealings with consumers;
(iv)to endeavor to establish the necessary systems to process complaints by consumers appropriately and promptly, and to appropriately process the relevant complaints;
(v)to cooperate with the consumer policies implemented by the State and local governments.

I highly encourage you to read #4 there "Alhanelem".

Now back to what I was doing before I came here..
Japanese law has no relevance to us here in the States, we can't sue them for breaking anyone's laws but ours. Not that I see any violation of the law you described in the first place. SE does in fact have systems established to process complaints.

SE regularly posts details of RMT bots and gil removed from the economy as a result As far as I'm concerned, they're meeting their local legal obligations (not to mention the probable fact that they give more information over there than here). They most definitely don't have to do anything just because Uriah says so, whom I remind you has been pointlessly spamming these boards for over a year with bot reports, and in recent months he's gotten more absurd with it by insisting that literally every single person grinding for XP in the game is a cheater. So you really ought to think twice about having this guys back, because if it were up to him, basically everybody would be banned from the game because there's no way anyone grinding XP is doing it "legit."

I'm all for doing more to shut down actual RMT, but he's dragging innocent people into it with these global accusations.

[Auriga]

Japanese law, huh? Wow, you must be ready to take them to court in Japan to make a case they aren't in compliance with the law. Good luck with that, lolol.

Your just upset that you didn't know the law.
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Japanese law has no relevance to us here in the States, we can't sue them for breaking anyone's laws but ours. Not that I see any violation of the law you described in the first place. SE does in fact have systems established to process complaints.

SE regularly posts details of RMT bots and gil removed from the economy as a result As far as I'm concerned, they're meeting their local legal obligations (not to mention the probable fact that they give more information over there than here). They most definitely don't have to do anything just because Uriah says so, whom I remind you has been pointlessly spamming these boards for over a year with bot reports, and in recent months he's gotten more absurd with it by insisting that literally every single person grinding for XP in the game is a cheater. So you really ought to think twice about having this guys back, because if it were up to him, basically everybody would be banned from the game because there's no way anyone grinding XP is doing it "legit."

I'm all for doing more to shut down actual RMT, but he's dragging innocent people into it with these global accusations.

Ugh this guy again.. sticking his nose where it doesn't belong because he doesn't get enough attention. SKIP!
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Uriah - I think we've made a point here, make the request to lock the thread already before they carry this off further into troll flame-war land.

If it's sufficient for the forum mods, can we just get a lock an close here? nothing else is going on here, just shut it down. Thanks.

[Alhanelem]

Ugh this guy again.. sticking his nose where it doesn't belong because he doesn't get enough attention. SKIP!You have a block list... use it, instead of pointlessly whining about someone else who has every right to be commenting on a thread in a civilized manner.

As for "flame war land," you've repeated this implication in multiple threads, and there is no flame war going on except in your imagination.

[Sp1cyryan]

Your just upset that you didn't know the law.

Wrong. Lol.

[Uriah]

You only managed to ban 950 bad actors for the entire month of January. Down from 1200 in December.

There are 16 servers. That means you managed to ban 60 accounts per server. Less than 4 bans per server, per day. There are more than 60 bots in every zone that has CP/EP level enemies on just Asura every day.

Your indifference is astounding, it really is to be applauded that you manage to so boldly lie about it convincingly enough to fool other players.

[Alhanelem]

There are 16 servers. That means you managed to ban 60 accounts per server.Would someone please point out to this guy that not every server has the same population or the same number banned as a result?

In fact, since Asura is far away the biggest server, it also will have far and away the most accounts banned.

[Sp1cyryan]

You only managed to ban 950 bad actors for the entire month of January. Down from 1200 in December.

There are 16 servers. That means you managed to ban 60 accounts per server. 2 bans per server, per day. There are more than 60 bots in every zone that has CP/EP level enemies on just Asura every day.

Your indifference is astounding, it really is to be applauded that you manage to so boldly lie about it convincingly enough to fool other players.

Why do you need not one, but two threads, to bash the Dev team, who doesn't read your posts?

This whole thread should be removed.