I hate exemplary parties

[Kalimairo]

Leveling content that no one does just Botts and boxing oh i mean botting and boxing :), the only content we have is leveling and there is no median for solo, if you solo with trusts ur so much slower, today i played for 3-4 hours to go from 20k to 100k/147k or something, and literally gave up, i don't bott i dont box how dare you say its content when its just made for the Botts, Square could have gone a different route, but no because people bott and 6 box this is normal now the people ruined the game. or the exp could have been much Lower. Than there is those guys who make Stupid videos with geo's and bard alt box botting, saying look u can solo So much Exemplary lying to people lol, what the *** happened to this game,

Don't say make a party, don't say look for a party BECAUSE THERE IS NONE! JUST SELLING SERVICES

I *** swear they should bann boxing

I may give up playing this game now, 30 M paladin 21M Ninja 20 Samurai, Mostly solo and daily 5-6 hours i am TIRED OF THIS SHIT i HAVE A LIFE I HAVE WORK JESUS CHRIST SQUARE DON'T UPDATE AROUND THE BOTTS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PLAYING UR GAME YOU MINDLESS FOOLS


IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT IDEA IF IT PLAYED LIKE A 75 ERA PARTY BUT ITS NOT ITS MUCH FUCKING WORSE

Feed the players not the botts, Feed your kids not your Pets and we are not your pets.

[Pixela]

It's not a race, take your time.

[Kalimairo]

It's not a race, take your time.

its not a race but u will never find a party at some point if your already having trouble to find one because majority of the players box and bott. i used to enjoy this game 2 hours of game time was productive now 2 hours of game time is nothing because of exemplary system i would take a 75 server over this fucking shit because at the end people wont bott exp parties.

[Immortal]

but there is no reason to be max Mlevel... its not required or necessary for anything. Also nothing stops you from creating a party like 75 days... people botted during those times too.

[Voidstorm]

but there is no reason to be max Mlevel... its not required or necessary for anything. Also nothing stops you from creating a party like 75 days... people botted during those times too.
for now, there is already SU5 gear, why would they not eventually add M50 gear?

[Alhanelem]

I group with others routinely on Shiva and I'm an lolmeleesmn. We just chill and have fun, we dont even care if we have the best kill speed.

If I can do it, you can too.

[Sp1cyryan]

If you don't like it then don't do it. You don't need to grind ML30/40.

[Velner]

I've done two M. Level 40 jobs in less than a week. No botting. No multi-boxing. All 6-man parties. And on a smaller server than Ragnarok. If you have 5 to 6 hours a day and know how to EP, you could have M. Level 40, too.

[Tarmarkvar]

I've done two M. Level 40 jobs in less than a week. No botting. No multi-boxing. All 6-man parties. And on a smaller server than Ragnarok. If you have 5 to 6 hours a day and know how to EP, you could have M. Level 40, too.

5 to 6 hours a day is a pretty tall order.... most people don't have that kind of time. I agree though.

[Tarmarkvar]

I have a MNK at ML 31, a lot of it being solo and dual boxed. Most of the time I do that because I don't feel like starting a party, and also I want to be able to start, stop, and pause at will.

And I don't think I'm the only one. There are always a lot of people soloing down in Dho Gates or Crawler's Nest. They didn't feel like forming a party either. You can just ASK if they want to team up. The parties are practically already made.

Still, I do form parties with other humans sometimes. It's usually on weekends since I'm pretty tired after work. I get about 45k an hour in slower paced ones, around 80k in the better ones. I'll bet I could really clean up if I had the patience to wait for the kinds of optimal builds that let you do Promyvion, but I don't.

[Immortal]

for now, there is already SU5 gear, why would they not eventually add M50 gear?

They are different systems, and most complained about that requirement so they probably wont make the same mistake.

[Alhanelem]

I've done two M. Level 40 jobs in less than a week. No botting. No multi-boxing. All 6-man parties. And on a smaller server than Ragnarok. If you have 5 to 6 hours a day and know how to EP, you could have M. Level 40, too.

If it's from lv0, I don't believe you. From level 30, maybe. but not from zero.

[Kalimairo]

but there is no reason to be max Mlevel... its not required or necessary for anything. Also nothing stops you from creating a party like 75 days... people botted during those times too.

Because it will be a requirement for end game soon. i think i might just do what every smart player did move to 14, this game is not the same anymore

[Pixela]

Because it will be a requirement for end game soon. i think i might just do what every smart player did move to 14

If ff14 was a serious option you could of moved to it long ago.

[Sp1cyryan]

5 to 6 hours a day is a pretty tall order.... most people don't have that kind of time. I agree though.

You just break it up then. I think an hour is satisfactory here and there.

[Sp1cyryan]

Because it will be a requirement for end game soon. i think i might just do what every smart player did move to 14, this game is not the same anymore

It's only a requirement if you are unaware of how to play the game and put yourself at the mercy of other ignorant people who only invite capped ML players.

[Pixela]

A lot of mmorpg players like progression systems, so they added a new one. They added one with no stress to actually complete and some people still complain..

[Alhanelem]

It's only a requirement if you are unaware of how to play the game and put yourself at the mercy of other ignorant people who only invite capped ML players.
That's true for now, but future content will factor ML in.



i think i might just do what every smart player did move to 14, this game is not the same anymore FFXI players have been grinding for decades. It's honestly kind of hilarious to see someone say "imma play a different game cuz too much grind" at this point.

Every MMO, including XIV, has its share of grinding.

[Tarmarkvar]

Because it will be a requirement for end game soon. i think i might just do what every smart player did move to 14, this game is not the same anymore

So worry about it then. By the time it became a "requirement" for you to max out job points, they had added a ton of features to make it easier. Capacity point bonuses out the wazoo, rings that boosted capacity point gains, and double capacity point campaigns. The grind we are seeing right now with exemplar points is essentially the "early adopter penalty" in which things are often more expensive when they are newer. Early adopters know this and don't really care. Most people just wait for the price to come down.

[Velner]

5 to 6 hours a day is a pretty tall order.... most people don't have that kind of time. I agree though.

Except the original poster specifically said he has 5 to 6 hours a day to play. . . his words, not mine.

[Velner]

If it's from lv0, I don't believe you. From level 30, maybe. but not from zero.

Yes, from 30. Not that that is entirely the point given the OP who is complaining has at least one job at M.Lvl 30 already and therefore my point stands: he could have an M.Lvl 40 already if leveling in a group.

[Tarmarkvar]

Except the original poster specifically said he has 5 to 6 hours a day to play. . . his words, not mine.


Oh okay. I missed that. I sit corrected then.

[Demonviper]

I would be willing to bet that every single exemplary party currently active on Asura is 2-3 bot characters PLing several AFK characters. SE knows this. We the players know this. Nothing gets done about it.

[Pixela]

Many players like afk leveling, fighting against that as developers is kind of silly.

XI players loved book burns, abyssea worm parties, summoner burn parties and now afk leveling.

[Demonviper]

Disagree. it destroys the game for people who actually ENJOY playing the game to start with.

XI is quite literally a worse game now than it was 3 years ago because of this issue and it will continue to decline until the only people left are the absolute scumbags running and buying AFK leveling parties.

This problem is a game killer if not properly managed and steps taken to mitigate it; more than one MMO has died before because of precisely this negative feedback loop.

[Voidstorm]

Many players like afk leveling, fighting against that as developers is kind of silly.

XI players loved book burns, abyssea worm parties, summoner burn parties and now afk leveling.
I have never played PLD, but I kind of want to make one now for Crawler's Nest (S) cleaving.
If I play RDM/COR/SCH/GEO, I have something to do in the party, but if I go any other job, I'm just a leech.
A party only needs 2 of the above mentioned to function for cleaving, but they all require PLD.

[Immortal]

Because it will be a requirement for end game soon. i think i might just do what every smart player did move to 14, this game is not the same anymore

lol every smart player...? lol no. People go to games they enjoy or stay with games they enjoy. They move on when they aren't enjoying it anymore. A "smart" player doesn't just go to a game like some sheep because its popular or they feel it will be the only one left.

[Tarmarkvar]

Also, I enjoy exemplary parties. Who wouldn't? Everybody loves a high quality party, whether you are getting experience points, limit points, capacity points, or exemplar points. It's a lot of fun to make a lot of quick progress with several other skilled players.

I haven't had many exemplary parties in my 18 years of playing. I have had plenty of bad ones and a lot of good ones too. I've had a few great ones. But I've probably had fewer than 10 parties I would call "exemplary". Which is okay, because exemplary is a high bar.

[Tarmarkvar]

I've done two M. Level 40 jobs in less than a week. No botting. No multi-boxing. All 6-man parties. And on a smaller server than Ragnarok. If you have 5 to 6 hours a day and know how to EP, you could have M. Level 40, too.

What is your general setup. Are all the party members close in master level? Do you have to level sync? Where are you partying? I feel like if you are moving that quickly you must be doing Promyvion or Alzadaal/Nyzul.

I have been working on Master Levels myself. Right now I do dual box. Main character is Monk who I am actually trying to level up, and alternate is Bard. It's a so-so Bard with 3 song harp (from Oboro), Eminent Flute, and a couple pieces that extend song duration. So what I usually do is team up my Monk and Bard, then /yell until I get a healer and 3 random damage dealers. We level sync down to the Bard and go to Crawler's Nest. I've been wondering if I should hold out for a Geomancer and go to Promyvion.

[Velner]

What is your general setup. Are all the party members close in master level? Do you have to level sync? Where are you partying? I feel like if you are moving that quickly you must be doing Promyvion or Alzadaal/Nyzul.

I have been working on Master Levels myself. Right now I do dual box. Main character is Monk who I am actually trying to level up, and alternate is Bard. It's a so-so Bard with 3 song harp (from Oboro), Eminent Flute, and a couple pieces that extend song duration. So what I usually do is team up my Monk and Bard, then /yell until I get a healer and 3 random damage dealers. We level sync down to the Bard and go to Crawler's Nest. I've been wondering if I should hold out for a Geomancer and go to Promyvion.

We cleave with Magic WSs in Crawler's Nest [S]. The great part of doing this is it's actually incredibly flexible in party composition. The only two hard requirements are a tank (it does not have to be PLD; I actually prefer RUN) and a healer. I like SCH best but RDM and WHM both work but should be /SCH. It's important because you want to be able to apply Phalanx and Windstorm to your party. The other four spots can be DD but adding additional support will speed things up. GEO is massive for Malaise in Crawler's [S] and easily capped magic Haste. BRD similarly brings capped magic Haste plus extra Defense and Accuracy (we use 2x Minne, 2x March, and Madrigal typically when we're lucky enough to have a BRD). COR brings that sweet Corsair's roll. You may need to farm a Malevolence or two; dagger from Sinister Reign with +118 Magic Damage and useable my an array of jobs.

Basically, all you do is have one person dedicated to pulling. They keep bringing in bugs. The tank tags the bugs and spikes hate (this is why I actually prefer RUN because it has way more tools to tag and spike over PLD). Everybody at the party just spams Aeolian Edge and the bugs splat. Even SCH can Aeolian Edge with Malevolence. It's also an option to use Staff to use Cataclysm for jobs that can't use Malevolence. Just make sure the SCH or /SCH applies Voidstorm to anybody using Cataclysm. There are some pitfalls to look out for: you can only tag so many bugs with Enmity due to PS2 limitations (most likely) so if the pullers runs off and still has a bunch of bugs on him, just have the puller stay and do a few WSs until they thin out a bit and the tank can grab them all.

It may take a little bit to get the flow of it; especially the puller and tank. But once you get in the flow it's great fun and great EPs. And no matter what job you play, you should never have to leech in Crawler's [S].

Edit: We do always level sync to the lowest M. Level and when a player is M. Level 0 it goes very fast!

[Tarmarkvar]

Sounds interesting. My MNK can't do much for that but I do have WHM ML18 and BRD ML22 (almost 23). Maybe I can try constructing some of those parties.

Last month I tried to put together a traditional party in Nest, but people kept asking "is it AOE?" Pissed me off after a while because my whole goal was to get master levels for my Monk.

[Velner]

Sounds interesting. My MNK can't do much for that but I do have WHM ML18 and BRD ML22 (almost 23). Maybe I can try constructing some of those parties.

Last month I tried to put together a traditional party in Nest, but people kept asking "is it AOE?" Pissed me off after a while because my whole goal was to get master levels for my Monk.

MNK can use the Ambuscade Staff and use Cataclysm. And if nothing else, MNK is also a fantastic puller. Like I said, no job really needs to be a "carry" in Crawler's [S].

[Tarmarkvar]

MNK can use the Ambuscade Staff and use Cataclysm. And if nothing else, MNK is also a fantastic puller. Like I said, no job really needs to be a "carry" in Crawler's [S].

Ambuscade Staff.... you mean Xoanon (https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Xoanon)? The thing you need a pulse weapon for? I do have capped staff skill. I also have over 40,000 potpurri. And I unlocked all the categories of stuff you can buy with potpurri. So getting the pulse weapon won't be a problem. And some years ago, I collected all weapon skills just for fun (except the relic ones.... since you need the relic to get them). It wasn't exactly a practical decision at the time.... what good is it knowing Leaden Salute if you don't play Corsair or Ranger and have no plans to do so? And I'd never heard of a Monk actually meleeing with staff.

Things that were impractical to do in the past, that I did "just for the hell of it" are suddenly practical. Now I just need them to make old Einherjar equipment good so that the TWO Balrahn Eyepatches I farmed up just to give to a goblin make sense.

[Velner]

Ambuscade Staff.... you mean Xoanon (https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Xoanon)? The thing you need a pulse weapon for? I do have capped staff skill. I also have over 40,000 potpurri. And I unlocked all the categories of stuff you can buy with potpurri. So getting the pulse weapon won't be a problem. And some years ago, I collected all weapon skills just for fun (except the relic ones.... since you need the relic to get them). It wasn't exactly a practical decision at the time.... what good is it knowing Leaden Salute if you don't play Corsair or Ranger and have no plans to do so? And I'd never heard of a Monk actually meleeing with staff.

Things that were impractical to do in the past, that I did "just for the hell of it" are suddenly practical. Now I just need them to make old Einherjar equipment good so that the TWO Balrahn Eyepatches I farmed up just to give to a goblin make sense.

Yes, Xoanon is the Ambuscade Staff. I was using it last night on MNK and doing just fine. Up to 4 L40 at this point and MNK will be #5.

[Tarmarkvar]

We cleave with Magic WSs in Crawler's Nest [S]. The great part of doing this is it's actually incredibly flexible in party composition. The only two hard requirements are a tank (it does not have to be PLD; I actually prefer RUN) and a healer. I like SCH best but RDM and WHM both work but should be /SCH. It's important because you want to be able to apply Phalanx and Windstorm to your party.

If you need Phalanx on everybody in the party, wouldn't you need RDM and SCH on the same job (either RDM/SCH or SCH/RDM). How does a WHM fit into that?

[Velner]

If you need Phalanx on everybody in the party, wouldn't you need RDM and SCH on the same job (either RDM/SCH or SCH/RDM). How does a WHM fit into that?

If you use SCH come as SCH/RDM. If you're relying on WHM, it's probably best to just make due without Phalanx. Worst case, you'll have to reduce the number of mobs you're pulling. The puller can make up for this to some extent by coming /WAR and keeping Defender up all the time. Oddly enough, we've had a RDM in every party we've done so far. . . sometimes two. And a SCH to boot.

You could also come /RDM and only Phalanx the puller and any player likely to get hate and forego the Windstorm. . . although the damage increase from Windstorm is nice.

[Tarmarkvar]

If you use SCH come as SCH/RDM. If you're relying on WHM, it's probably best to just make due without Phalanx. Worst case, you'll have to reduce the number of mobs you're pulling. The puller can make up for this to some extent by coming /WAR and keeping Defender up all the time. And if push really comes to shove, the RUN or PLD can cast Phalanx on at least the puller who will need it the most. Oddly enough, we've had a RDM in every party we've done so far. . . sometimes two. And a SCH to boot.

You could also come /RDM and only Phalanx the puller and any player likely to get hate and forego the Windstorm. . . although the damage increase from Windstorm is nice.

Here is a guide I put together on doing this method. Although, I did not address Phalanx when using a WHM. Fail: https://youtu.be/PVFaXcud5ig

Phalanx is self target only. Phalanx II -- which is RDM 75 -- can be cast on others. Couldn't the tank do the pulling? I guess that might slow things down a little because you can't do new pulls until the current crop of mobs is dead. But as my friend Greg used to say, you piss with the pecker you got.

[Sp1cyryan]

Phalanx is self target only. Phalanx II -- which is RDM 75 -- can be cast on others. Couldn't the tank do the pulling? I guess that might slow things down a little because you can't do new pulls until the current crop of mobs is dead. But as my friend Greg used to say, you piss with the pecker you got.

SCH can AoE Phalanx. It's one of the notable perks of what makes the job generally superior to taking a WHM.

Your friend Greg sounds like a pearl of wisdom.

[Velner]

Phalanx is self target only. Phalanx II -- which is RDM 75 -- can be cast on others. Couldn't the tank do the pulling? I guess that might slow things down a little because you can't do new pulls until the current crop of mobs is dead. But as my friend Greg used to say, you piss with the pecker you got.

I would avoid the tank pulling as that's probably the slowest way to do this. But if that's what it takes, go for it. If you don't have Phalanx, just adjust your buffs and strategy to make up for it i.e. smaller, more frequent pulls. Puller could also /RDM as that is the person who needs it the most. Don't worry too much. Just head down there, try it out, and adjust as necessary with your party.

[Kalimairo]

I WAS in crawlers Nest S just 5 mins ago once i packed my mobs soem guy comes and banish GA's my Mobs and sentinels and run's away while i was packing them for aeolian edge i was doing this alone, honestly Fuck your Stupid Design, Fuck this AOE Meta and fuck people maybe i should buy gill like everyone else and join bott parties because thats what Square wants us to do by not changing anything even after 5 years of constant Blatant botting people don't even hide it anymore, Cant even fucking find a Party in this game ANYMORE, fuck windower

[Sp1cyryan]

I WAS in crawlers Nest S just 5 mins ago once i packed my mobs soem guy comes and banish GA's my Mobs and sentinels and run's away while i was packing them for aeolian edge i was doing this alone, honestly Fuck your Stupid Design, Fuck this AOE Meta and fuck people maybe i should buy gill like everyone else and join bott parties because thats what Square wants us to do by not changing anything even after 5 years of constant Blatant botting people don't even hide it anymore, Cant even fucking find a Party in this game ANYMORE, fuck windower

Someone is mad.

[Voidstorm]

I WAS in crawlers Nest S just 5 mins ago once i packed my mobs soem guy comes and banish GA's my Mobs and sentinels and run's away while i was packing them for aeolian edge i was doing this alone, honestly Fuck your Stupid Design, Fuck this AOE Meta and fuck people maybe i should buy gill like everyone else and join bott parties because thats what Square wants us to do by not changing anything even after 5 years of constant Blatant botting people don't even hide it anymore, Cant even fucking find a Party in this game ANYMORE, fuck windower
someone does this to our parties too occasionally. Just ignore it. You're taking tons of mobs, they'll pull like 15 off you with that -ga.
Also, you're solo'ing this? why? bring friends; only PLD can pull the whole doughnut. Letting a few others leech give you the capitol to ask each of them to PLD cleave for you another day.

[Pixela]

I WAS in crawlers Nest S just 5 mins ago once i packed my mobs soem guy comes and banish GA's my Mobs and sentinels and run's away while i was packing them for aeolian edge i was doing this alone, honestly Fuck your Stupid Design, Fuck this AOE Meta and fuck people maybe i should buy gill like everyone else and join bott parties because thats what Square wants us to do by not changing anything even after 5 years of constant Blatant botting people don't even hide it anymore, Cant even fucking find a Party in this game ANYMORE, fuck windower

when people do annoying things I just associate it with them being asshats and not get mad at the game

[Tarmarkvar]

This is a game. If you aren't having fun, you should probably stop playing.

[Alhanelem]

This is a game. If you aren't having fun, you should probably stop playing.
Agreed. 12345

[Velner]

Hi friends. Given the interest in this topic, I created a more comprehensive guide on how to effectively AoE cleave down in Crawler's Nest [S]. Unfortunately, it does not cover what to do if another group are being horrible and literally stealing your pulls. That's pretty messed up. I hope this helps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkRpayKVsw&t=5s

[Sp1cyryan]

Kalimairo, just add him to your ignore list as all of us do.

Did you not read the posts, and only the names instead? Otherwise, I am not sure how you look at what the two of us said and go "Oh, Spicy is the unreasonable one."