People intentionally triggering Spike Flail on Mieru

[Pixela]

So on Asura a person called Razma intentionally spike flails Mieru over and over and over again, they do this for the full duration and have done it multiple times in the past. Spike flails every few seconds are going to cause perma wipes and a fail to kill.

If this mechanic isn't going to be removed, and I know it's not. Why not allow them to be charmed? So we can kill them for doing it.

[Tokimemofan]

Yes indeed, 160+ in zone at the time too. If GMs can’t get involved at the time at least players should have a way to mitigate malicious behavior when the consequences are a month long. This is the type of problem that will run the game into the ground if un answered

[Catmato]

Plz remove spike flail from Mireu thx.

[Zenion]

Plz remove spike flail from Mireu thx.

Or maybe make it only affect players with enmity, and/or only within a range of less than the entire confrontation area. (Even just giving trusts Mobilization status for as long as their party leader has it would help.)

If it didn't make recovery absolutely impossible and joining the battle risky at best, it might not be so bad.

Another possible fix might be making it so Spike Flail from Mireu has a unique added effect of removing Elvorseal from whoever has top enmity when it's used, forcing them to at least go back to the NPC and start over building enmity to do it again? (Or just fully erase their existing enmity?) On an ordinary dragon, that might not be a desirable behavior, but in this specific case, where Mireu just has so much potential for griefing, it would be well justified.

[Tokimemofan]

Or maybe make it only affect players with enmity, and/or only within a range of less than the entire confrontation area. (Even just giving trusts Mobilization status for as long as their party leader has it would help.)

If it didn't make recovery absolutely impossible and joining the battle risky at best, it might not be so bad.

Another possible fix might be making it so Spike Flail from Mireu has a unique added effect of removing Elvorseal from whoever has top enmity when it's used, forcing them to at least go back to the NPC and start over building enmity to do it again? (Or just fully erase their existing enmity?) On an ordinary dragon, that might not be a desirable behavior, but in this specific case, where Mireu just has so much potential for griefing, it would be well justified.
Mireu’s spike flail actually extends outside the confrontation area. Made it rather difficult to actually report the guy doing it

[Alhanelem]

Mireu’s spike flail actually extends outside the confrontation area. Made it rather difficult to actually report the guy doing itHow is someone not in the confrontation able to trigger it?

[Nephitis]

How is someone not in the confrontation able to trigger it?

I think the indication here is that some people can't see who is doing it, because the spike flail reaches outside of the engagement area, so if you've an elvorseal, it can still hit you before you even run in, making it difficult to see who is doing it, and difficult to do the content.

[Tokimemofan]

How is someone not in the confrontation able to trigger it?

I was actually just barely outside the confrontation zone when I got hit by it again. Obviously had the elvorseal, I was there at pop time because I was expecting there to be a problem after the mess 10 days earlier. Specifically up against the corner wall on the left side just inside the door. Enough that I got the red reset warning messages after I got knocked out and I still got hit again mid animation after raising. Hopefully tonight/tomorrow morning doesn’t end up being another shit show. Going to try to be there if I can stay awake long enough

[Sp1cyryan]

Razma has a superior Mireu strategy by fighting it from behind. The same as for the other DI dragons.

Yesterday, I too fought Mireu from behind, and was pleased with the results. More people should join the movement of Mireu strategy.

[Zenion]

Razma has a superior Mireu strategy by fighting it from behind. The same as for the other DI dragons.

If the goal is to defeat the dragon, and the result of the strategy being used is that the dragon is not defeated, it is not a superior strategy.

But hey, if it works, that's cool too, I for one welcome a strategy where I can just kick back for 45 minutes waiting for someone else to try and solo the thing, if it gets the job done in the end.

[Tokimemofan]

Razma has a superior Mireu strategy by fighting it from behind. The same as for the other DI dragons.

Yesterday, I too fought Mireu from behind, and was pleased with the results. More people should join the movement of Mireu strategy.

We beat Mireu just fine without this superior strategy of yours/his. What a crock

[Sp1cyryan]

We beat Mireu just fine without this superior strategy of yours/his. What a crock

Much like with Nikola Tesla or Galileo, not everyone can see the brilliance of something at first. I assure you that fighting behind Mireu is the best way to approach the content!

[Tokimemofan]

Much like with Nikola Tesla or Galileo, not everyone can see the brilliance of something at first. I assure you that fighting behind Mireu is the best way to approach the content!
Wow you really ARE that full of yourself

[Zenion]

Much like with Nikola Tesla or Galileo, not everyone can see the brilliance of something at first. I assure you that fighting behind Mireu is the best way to approach the content!

I think if you're trying to convince anyone, you'll need to actually lay out what the actual strategy is and what benefits it offers. It's hard to imagine those benefits can outweigh the damage potential of the fifty or more players it's going to knock out of the fight, but go ahead, I'm sure everybody would love to be enlightened.

Me, until I hear otherwise I'm going to just think your strategy is for maximizing the value of wyrm ash on a server, which I suppose would make wrecking 98% of the people attending the fight an optimal move.

[Sp1cyryan]

I'm going to just think your strategy is for maximizing the value of wyrm ash on a server

I never sell wyrm ash, and I am not interested in it.

[Tokimemofan]

I never sell wyrm ash, and I am not interested in it.
You still haven’t addressed the point. How is your method superior when it has resulted in a loss. You explicitly told me personally you support Razma’s strategy. A strategy that is intended to jack up the price of Wyrm Ash. I got some nice screenshots of you making a fool of yourself alongside the MPK linkshell

[Alhanelem]

You still haven’t addressed the point. How is your method superior when it has resulted in a loss. You explicitly told me personally you support Razma’s strategy. A strategy that is intended to jack up the price of Wyrm Ash. I got some nice screenshots of you making a fool of yourself alongside the MPK linkshell
I'm pretty sure he was just trolling, but what do I know

[Sfchakan]

Attacking from behind forces it to use Spike Flail instead of other abilities.

It's something folks used to do all the time in the old version of DI when they were soloing the dragons.

Toki, why do you do DI so frequently with thousands and thousands of points banked? Why are you always posting about it? What is your personal interest in something you aren't making apparent gains from?

You appear to only play RDM (and from what your posts reveal, fairly terribly), so you don't need that many beads.

What's your story?

[Sp1cyryan]

You still haven’t addressed the point. How is your method superior when it has resulted in a loss. You explicitly told me personally you support Razma’s strategy. A strategy that is intended to jack up the price of Wyrm Ash. I got some nice screenshots of you making a fool of yourself alongside the MPK linkshell

It is not intended to jack up the price of Wyrm Ash. I would highly suspect that Razma is not interested in ash either.

Weak players get wiped out by flail in ordinary DI too. Doesn't make it a bad strategy, and the reduction of lag from these players taking a nap is a welcome boost.

[Pixela]

DI is the main way new players are going to get their first set of 119 gear, it's also going to be the main endgame they will do until they learn the other things.

This kind of trolling is disgusting and damages the game, it makes he game look like complete trash. The issue isn't so much doing it now and then, the issue is doing it every time.

Most players that need these points are not going to post about it, they will just quit the game. This is why it's good Toki does it.

[Tokimemofan]

Attacking from behind forces it to use Spike Flail instead of other abilities.

It's something folks used to do all the time in the old version of DI when they were soloing the dragons.

Toki, why do you do DI so frequently with thousands and thousands of points banked? Why are you always posting about it? What is your personal interest in something you aren't making apparent gains from?

You appear to only play RDM (and from what your posts reveal, fairly terribly), so you don't need that many beads.

What's your story?

You have no idea what you are talking about. Most of his other abilities are hardly threatening to anything other than single players. I actually got terrorized for nearly 3 minutes before and without trusts or heals and died about 3 seconds before it would have worn off. When you spike flail it constantly it actually prevents others from even engaging the dragon because they die as soon as they zone in. Your genius strategy is worthless, we have on Asura killed it in under 21 minutes by NOT flailing the thing. As for my points *bleep bleep*. FYI i only play RDM because that’s my only significantly geared job and I’m stuck on gearing the others out. You are probably the most arrogant elitist I have ever met and I’ve seen a lot of those.

[Tokimemofan]

It is not intended to jack up the price of Wyrm Ash. I would highly suspect that Razma is not interested in ash either.

Weak players get wiped out by flail in ordinary DI too. Doesn't make it a bad strategy, and the reduction of lag from these players taking a nap is a welcome boost.

Razma was blasting crap about Wyrm ash during the his first attempt at a flail reset.

Weak players? Sparks 117 gear is sufficient to survive spike flail. As someone who often does solo the other dragons after maintenance I can say the spike flails are pathetic to the point I don’t even bother with trusts. Even with about 30% DT I often get hit for more than my max HP from Mireu Flails.

[Sfchakan]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Most of his other abilities are hardly threatening to anything other than single players. I actually got terrorized for nearly 3 minutes before and without trusts or heals and died about 3 seconds before it would have worn off. When you spike flail it constantly it actually prevents others from even engaging the dragon because they die as soon as they zone in. Your genius strategy is worthless, we have on Asura killed it in under 21 minutes by NOT flailing the thing. As for my points *bleep bleep*. FYI i only play RDM because that’s my only significantly geared job and I’m stuck on gearing the others out. You are probably the most arrogant elitist I have ever met and I’ve seen a lot of those.

You didn't answer my question and just launched a sad personal attack.

And maybe the person doesn't like being terrorized for 3 minutes? Again, that's a valid reason to force it to do other moves, just like with other NMs in the game.

[Tokimemofan]

You didn't answer my question and just launched a sad personal attack.

And maybe the person doesn't like being terrorized for 3 minutes? Again, that's a valid reason to force it to do other moves, just like with other NMs in the game.

My apologies on the personal aspect, thought I was replying to Spicyryan whom those statements were intended for. You still miss the point. Domain invasion is by definition Zerg content in which every lvl99 is welcome to participate. Only reason we won is because we had fast turnout from people who were aware of the problem. This isn’t the pathetic spike flailing the other dragons do. You clearly don’t Understand the problem, go fight Mireu on your own server and see for yourself

[Sp1cyryan]

Razma was blasting crap about Wyrm ash during the his first attempt at a flail reset.

Weak players? Sparks 117 gear is sufficient to survive spike flail. As someone who often does solo the other dragons after maintenance I can say the spike flails are pathetic to the point I don’t even bother with trusts. Even with about 30% DT I often get hit for more than my max HP from Mireu Flails.

Sparks gear is not sufficient for surviving in general; least of all for Spike Flail. Oblivious statements like these don't lend credit to arguments presented.

[Pixela]

If a tank comes and "saves the day" make sure everyone knows who they are in say, because they will be far more likely to do it again if you do that.

Rezma loves the notoriety of being the villain, this works both ways.

[zataz]

<,< you know im kinda offended why cant they try to kill me i enjoy denying people who pull that stuff their kill. >.>

[Tokimemofan]

If a tank comes and "saves the day" make sure everyone knows who they are in say, because they will be far more likely to do it again if you do that.

Rezma loves the notoriety of being the villain, this works both ways.
We had 262 players in zone near the end of the fight last night, people are no longer taking the win for granted. That is a win for all of us on Asura

[Sp1cyryan]

We had 262 players in zone near the end of the fight last night, people are no longer taking the win for granted. That is a win for all of us on Asura

It is nice to know that Razma can truly make a difference in their community. He is following the old adage of being the change you want to see.

[Pixela]

ying and yang

[Tokimemofan]

It is nice to know that Razma can truly make a difference in their community. He is following the old adage of being the change you want to see.

So Razma intentionally creating a problem and unwittingly solving it by creating massive backlash makes him a hero? That’s fine logic from a guy that seems to have gotten his Reddit nuked over this.
Edit: looks like you are simply censoring and blocking users who disagree with you

[Pixela]

the hero we need

[Sp1cyryan]

So Razma intentionally creating a problem and unwittingly solving it by creating massive backlash makes him a hero? That’s fine logic from a guy that seems to have gotten his Reddit nuked over this.
Edit: looks like you are simply censoring and blocking users who disagree with you

Unwittingly? I think you just don't want to give any credit where credit is due in this case! Razma is the hero of Asura.

I also can't properly respond to the "censorship" line here, but it is probably safe to say that you have been *following* me too closely on the internet.

[Tokimemofan]

Unwittingly? I think you just don't want to give any credit where credit is due in this case! Razma is the hero of Asura.

I also can't properly respond to the "censorship" line here, but it is probably safe to say that you have been *following* me too closely on the internet.
The whole thing is a dumpster fire. Razma isn’t a hero and neither are you. You both seem to have an insatiable ego and enjoy pissing people off. It’s actually sad, you could contribute so much more to the community but this mess is the cause you want to take up? Take the heat for your decisions and allow discussion on your subreddit rather than burying it.

[Pixela]

https://i.imgur.com/HxsBmzu.jpg

[Alhanelem]

You know you can adjust posts per page right? It's only page 2 for me :p

[Sp1cyryan]

It would be interesting if bots started showing up to flail Mireu. Maybe the overall community start to care about botting then and their support and consent of it. Since they aren't paying them for their own benefit suddenly it become a concern to address. Rather than the common frame of mind that it's not their problem, that it just would happen anyway, or that their time matters more.

[Sfchakan]

It would be interesting if bots started showing up to flail Mireu. Maybe the overall community start to care about botting then and their support and consent of it. Since they aren't paying them for their own benefit suddenly it become a concern to address. Rather than the common frame of mind that it's not their problem, that it just would happen anyway, or that their time matters more.

"The crafting shield bots are only impacting random new people doing quests and missions, who cares?"
"The RMT CP groups are doing the community a service, who cares?"
"The starter zone bots don't claim ALL OF THE MOBS and new players can just go somewhere else, who cares?"
"MUH DI!!!!"

[Tarmarkvar]

It would be interesting if bots started showing up to flail Mireu. Maybe the overall community start to care about botting then and their support and consent of it. Since they aren't paying them for their own benefit suddenly it become a concern to address. Rather than the common frame of mind that it's not their problem, that it just would happen anyway, or that their time matters more.

I guess, but bots would only do that if they could gain from it. The people operating those things are apathetic and arguably selfish, but not actively spiteful.

[Sp1cyryan]

I guess, but bots would only do that if they could gain from it. The people operating those things are apathetic and arguably selfish, but not actively spiteful.

Bots are employed for more than sick gil gainz. They are to there to preform tasks, and there was an interested party. Then the gain is their interest to do that irregardless of gains. I believe we are seeing interest already. Given that the last Mireu happened around 4am Eastern on a weeknight when everyone else was asleep.

[Alhanelem]

We’ve also made some adjustments to Domain Invasion, in particularly the Spike Flail ability used by particular foes. This is not really a balance adjustment per se, but rather a targeted change to Domain Invasion, which in content intended to be enjoyed by everyone on a particular server. Non-Domain Invasion wyrms will continue to use the same pre-version update version of Spike Flail. If this targeted adjustment doesn’t yield the results we’re hoping for, then we will continue to make further changes, so be sure to let us know if we’ve missed the mark.

No idea what exactly they're going to do, but obviously, it's specifically about this situation.

[Pixela]

All they need to do is add hate reset and terror as debuffs.

Also while they are doing this they should remove spikes as a spell from these monsters, the graphical effects makes everyone lag.

Last time I was there I was around 5-10fps on Mieru, then I turned off all graphics effects and was instantly back to 25-30. How can they not see that 30-60 people all hitting the monster and triggering masses of spike dmg graphic effects will lag people out.

Why would you even add spikes as a spell to a zerg monster, that's dumb.

[Haldarn]

If you trigger Spike Flail, then Mireu casts X-Zone on you?

[Tokimemofan]

Honestly I think it should take the form of unblockable death or terror to the primary hate target. Rather keep the intended difficulty intact rather than turning Mireu into little more that a giant bucket of HP. Btw nice word salad SE, nerfing Mireu without naming Mireu while mentioning Asura without saying Asura.

[KingOfVanadiel]

it's no way someone new to domain invasion knows anything about spike flail and no one helps new people at all , they don't want anyone to be better than them. and force noobs to learn everything . i wat this guy banned because i trigger a spike flail on a normal dragon and knew nothing about this and this person trying to get people like me banned and hated by everyone. even im mad it happen as right before it died and i was doing so good. i thought it was just me from being behind him so what are you saying . that it kicks out the entire area ?

[Catmato]

it's no way someone new to domain invasion knows anything about spike flail and no one helps new people at all , they don't want anyone to be better than them. and force noobs to learn everything . i wat this guy banned because i trigger a spike flail on a normal dragon and knew nothing about this and this person trying to get people like me banned and hated by everyone. even im mad it happen as right before it died and i was doing so good. i thought it was just me from being behind him so what are you saying . that it kicks out the entire area ?

If you are the target of Spike Flail, you get sent to your home point.

[Sp1cyryan]

it's no way someone new to domain invasion knows anything about spike flail and no one helps new people at all , they don't want anyone to be better than them. and force noobs to learn everything . i wat this guy banned because i trigger a spike flail on a normal dragon and knew nothing about this and this person trying to get people like me banned and hated by everyone. even im mad it happen as right before it died and i was doing so good. i thought it was just me from being behind him so what are you saying . that it kicks out the entire area ?

Life is forced learning. People will learn. It's not a bad thing to learn.

[BobbinT]

kudos for screwing players outside Asura as well. :p