Omen queues

[Pixela]

Omen is super congested now, with increased power more and more people are solo farming it for gil and this is pushing queue times through the roof.

Is it time to add a minimum player number to enter to 2+?

[Catmato]

You're in luck! World transfers are 50% off for the next 4 weeks!

[Lortheron]

Omen is super congested now, with increased power more and more people are solo farming it for gil and this is pushing queue times through the roof.

Is it time to add a minimum player number to enter to 2+?


Agreed. Much of the game's content would benefit from a minimum player requirement coupled with proper level synchronization appropriate for the content in question.

[Alhanelem]

Omen is super congested now, with increased power more and more people are solo farming it for gil and this is pushing queue times through the roof.

Is it time to add a minimum player number to enter to 2+?
No, it's time to balance server populations.

Queues? it's almost as if Asura has too many players on it. Now that couldn't be possible... could it?

[Voidstorm]

Don't change Omen at all, or if you're going to change anything about it, remove the [Ex] tag from cards/scales.
Asura's just overpopulated, queue times are just a reminder for them to server transfer.

[Pixela]

A handful of players can clog up omen, with endless thief solo farming.

[Stuzey]

I get what you say, but for many, the only reason to do omen is for detritus, this is what happens when you have needed items only drop from one source of content (yes I know also from dyna, but you can't solo dyna).

[Tharly]

Why should the requirements for all the servers change because Asura is overcrowded? If you don't like to have to wait for content, go to a lower population server and learn to make friends with an active LS.

[Zehira]

https://i.imgur.com/jaZzMow.jpg

[Alhanelem]

LOL
yep.

How long you guys waiting to get in lol? it takes like 1-2 hours just to log in to any server on FFXIV right now

[Zehira]

LOL
yep.

How long you guys waiting to get in lol? it takes like 1-2 hours just to log in to any server on FFXIV right now

I believe you and I are on the same data center. The maximum number of players in the queue is 21,000 right now. Sometimes, we get kicked out with the error 2002 during the prime time in NA. Seems it got better than before now.

Free-to-play is active now so, of course, the OP needs to chill or give him a free transfer back ticket... to Shiva. :cool:

[Pixela]

Why do you have to always bring up that other game that has no relevance to this one? Go talk about it on the XIV forum.

[Alhanelem]

Why do you have to always bring up that other game that has no relevance to this one? Go talk about it on the XIV forum.
What's it to you? it made for a fun meme.

Chill out. We all know you hate FFXIV purely for existing, but not everyone does and you don't need to remind us.

[Zehira]

Why do you have to always bring up that other game that has no relevance to this one? Go talk about it on the XIV forum.

That doesn't matter. I won't post on the FFXIAH forums because something fishy there even I know who post. A lot of the good XI veterans already moved to XIV.

If you opened your eyes for 2 seconds, you would realize the XIV players are working for this game.

https://i.imgur.com/dPoPOej.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CE8aTpi.jpg

[Pixela]

What's it to you? it made for a fun meme.

Chill out. We all know you hate FFXIV purely for existing, but not everyone does and you don't need to remind us.

It has nothing to do with FFXI, Wow players have a lot of respect from me becasue they know not to stick their oars in my cereal. Unlike you, none of us care about your game.

https://i.imgur.com/lAZ920S.jpg

[Pixela]

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[Alhanelem]

It has nothing to do with FFXI, Wow players have a lot of respect from me becasue they know not to stick their oars in my cereal. Unlike you, none of us care about your game.


WoW players don't play this game (for the most part), so they aren't here to do so. That's the only reason. And I wasn't asking or discussing your respect for the players, I was referring to the game itself. One you dismiss out of hand purely because it exists. A view you may not hold of WoW only because SE didn't make it and it has nothing to do with FF. Stop taking stuff that never even involved you personally. No one's putting their spoons in your cereal.

Nothing good can come of such deep resentment.

And again, you do not represent everyone, so you can stop uttering your falsehood that "no one cares about your game." Even if I wanted to agree that it was most people, which I don't, most is still not everyone. It isn't my game. I play many games, this one included, and if someone wants to poke some fun or do something legitimately funny, I have every right to laugh at it. And clearly, there is more than one person here who isn't you who isn't blinded by resentment and knows how to have a laugh.

There's a certain hilarity that you continue to pretend that "no one plays" a game that is so popular they had to stop selling it because they couldn't accommodate more people due to the semiconductor shortage.

Though, I happen to have had both games running simultaneously for the last few days.

[Pixela]

I know you're obsessed with the game, most everyone else is not. You are like jehova witnesses that stuff it into everyone's faces and then get upset when people asking you to stop stuffing it everywhere. Every single XI forum we have to hear this, anything that happens on XIV you think we care about. We don't.

This not just this meme either because if it was nobody would care, it's constant and in every xi forum.

There are XI players who played New world, Wow, Bless and many other games that do not force their game into our faces at every opportunity. This is because they have respect for other communities, you lack this.

Btw all the games I mentions above have/had much larger login queues, just so you know (except they actually add new servers). Don't worry though, they will be gone soon when they get bored (which is the real reason they don't add those new servers)...as with all those games.

[Voidstorm]

Why complain about the FFXIV derail of the thread? Just post something on topic like MOVE OFF ASURA!
If you don't bring it back to the topic, then the derail will just continue.
Don't hurt all players just because Asura is overpopulated. Don't hurt all players trying to make ~25% of the mythic weapons just because cheaters duped a lot of Arrapago Remnants salvage long ago.

[Alhanelem]

I know you're obsessed with the game,I'm not "obsessed."
I like it. It isn't perfect, but it does have positive qualities.
I also happen to like FFXI. And you keep trying to tell me there's something wrong with that or that I'm the only one. Every time this comes up you falsely misconstrue the nature of my and everyone else's relationship with the game on a grant scale. It's almost as if you're... a troll?
And stop trying to pretend that i'm the only player of both games in the world. There are plenty of them. I'm in a linkshell full of them.


There are XI players who played New world, Wow, Bless and many other games that do not force their game into our faces at every opportunity.This happens because you (and others) trigger it. And also because it is produced by the same company and is part of the same franchise, which can not be said of those other games.

If you started posting "I hate New World" I'm sure you'd start seeing people react to that.
If it bothers you SO MUCH that the game is ever mentioned, then just use the block list and let those people talk to air. It's not up to everyone else to stop talking about it, it's up to you to start ignoring it, as this happens because you (I would argue deliberately) deliberately interject with controversial opinions whenever it comes up. You are trying to stir the pot, and then complaining about it being stirred (quite literally).

[Zehira]

Why complain about the FFXIV derail of the thread? Just post something on topic like MOVE OFF ASURA!
If you don't bring it back to the topic, then the derail will just continue.
Don't hurt all players just because Asura is overpopulated. Don't hurt all players trying to make ~25% of the mythic weapons just because cheaters duped a lot of Arrapago Remnants salvage long ago.

This forum is not the only place. People will go to Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Discord, or other sites. I am on Asura and I will welcome any of my good friends to my server.

This thread is something to do with between the one plays on Shiva and the one moved off Shiva.

[Pixela]

Don't hurt all players just because Asura is overpopulated.

I wasn't saying it had to be done, I was asking a question.

This is less of a population issue and more of a thing that a few players can congest with multiple characters, if it had a minimum player entry they would be forced to use them together and would clear it faster.

Delve has this, DynaD has this etc. I was asking if Omen needs it.

[Alhanelem]

This thread is something to do with between the one plays on Shiva and the one moved off Shiva. I'm not sure if you're talking about me, but I don't know who's moved where and my comments don't have anything to do with any specific people.

[Zehira]

I'm not sure if you're talking about me, but I don't know who's moved where and my comments don't have anything to do with any specific people.

I don't know. People seem very bitter about someone being on Asura. We keep hearing their depressed experiences on a small server.

When someone asks for a well-populated server, they simply say Asura. It's all about the Asura vs small servers nonsense which will never end. People will still ask for a remaster because nothing will fix or agree.

https://i.imgur.com/4D5VHmy.png

Oh hey, I just finally logged in FFXIV!

[Alhanelem]

While there are perhaps too many servers, it won't solve the problem if people continue to pack and test its limits.

I'm not bitter specifically about people being on Asura (there's a JP-dominated server that's just as big and one or two others that are close), I admit, it's a bit frustrating and I'm still very curious who it was that had enough influence to decree that Asura was the server everyone should move to. But even if it was Shiva that was the one people piled on, I'd still not be happy because I'd still be dealing with problems, just of a different nature.

It would be better for everyone if the server populations were more balanced. No giant servers nor tiny servers, just roughly equal ones. Then everyone will be satisfied with their ability to find people to play with, and people won't have to deal with queues and SE won't need to engineer special solutions specifically because of overcrowded servers that other servers don't need. While you've seen me try to dissuade people from going to Asura, I don't specifically want them to come to Shiva (though they can if the want), I just want to see them on any server that isn't the biggest ones.

In short, I'm not salty about specific servers, i'm salty about the imbalance in populations in general. You have two kinds of servers both with unique sets of problems, and your choice is which set of problems bothers you the least.

[Pixela]

Different people like different kinds of servers, forcing movement would be idiocy.

There are people that have played XI for 10+ years and only care about their linkshell friends, they treat it like a bar they goto every night. They log on and talk to their friends on LS and go do stuff, the less people that are around the better because there is no wait to enter content. They would be just as happy if it was just 30 people on the server, the 30 people on their ls. It's like playing borderlands or something, you don't care if it's just you and your friends as opposed to 1000 people in the world. You're playing it for your friends.

Then you have people who are all about the "community" and don't have this kind of mindset, and just want to meet random people or don't have a set group of friends at all and just interact with random people every night.

The developers set the servers up and let us organize ourselves as we see fit, Asura happened naturally, as did Odin.

Asura is the perfect new player server, it's perfect for people who don't want to make a set group of friends or just want some chaos.

The other servers are legacy, for players who are happy with their friends and set in their ways. A mass influx of player to these servers would make them quit.

Square do not do merges, on any of their games anymore because they learned they are counter productive.

They even offer half price server swaps if people want to self organize (btw many from Asura did this to bahamut a while ago, a few big LS all moved there)

[Alhanelem]

Different people like different kinds of servers, forcing movement would be idiocy.No one said anything about forcing anyone to do anything. But a server merge would also force people to do something,so that should be equally off the table.

No, the only thing we can do is, as a community stop specifically directing people to Asura, and SE needs to offer world transfer incentives to lower pop servers. Every once and a while there's a sale on this, but it should be flat out free at all times to transfer to a lower pop server. Like every other game does this. Lower limits on transfer of currency, XP bonuses, etc. These are offered in an effort to encourage balanced populations.
FFXI originally had the world pass system, which was explicitly designed to keep world populations balanced. It wasn't even that long I don't think, after World Passes were removed, that we had the server merges. World passes clearly did a good job balancing populations, even if it made trying to play with a friend an exercise in frustration. I'm not saying we should go back to that, I'm just pointing out that it's clear balanced populations were seen as desirable by SE.




Square do not do merges,Uhhh, yes they have.

[Pixela]

Not anymore, not for the past 10 years.

[Alhanelem]

Not anymore, not for the past 10 years.
"is not currently" and "do not" are not even close to the same thing.

And you know, you do that a lot, you try to pretend that small numbers (or what you think are small numbers) are nonexistent, when there is a very big difference between zero and not zero.

[Zehira]

Though I may not understand the British culture (ASL, BSL, and JSL are not mutually the same thing), they act like a king or queen they think they can speak for everyone. :)

[Zehira]

While there are perhaps too many servers, it won't solve the problem if people continue to pack and test its limits.

I'm not bitter specifically about people being on Asura (there's a JP-dominated server that's just as big and one or two others that are close), I admit, it's a bit frustrating and I'm still very curious who it was that had enough influence to decree that Asura was the server everyone should move to. But even if it was Shiva that was the one people piled on, I'd still not be happy because I'd still be dealing with problems, just of a different nature.

It would be better for everyone if the server populations were more balanced. No giant servers nor tiny servers, just roughly equal ones. Then everyone will be satisfied with their ability to find people to play with, and people won't have to deal with queues and SE won't need to engineer special solutions specifically because of overcrowded servers that other servers don't need. While you've seen me try to dissuade people from going to Asura, I don't specifically want them to come to Shiva (though they can if the want), I just want to see them on any server that isn't the biggest ones.

In short, I'm not salty about specific servers, i'm salty about the imbalance in populations in general. You have two kinds of servers both with unique sets of problems, and your choice is which set of problems bothers you the least.

Asura has always been that popular for a decade even before my server, Pandemonium, merged into.

Asura, Odin, Bahamut, and soon Fenrir are the only servers that seem to be more balanced. Queues are absolutely necessary for a large server.

[Alhanelem]

Asura has always been that popular for a decade even before my server, Pandemonium, merged into.

Asura, Odin, Bahamut, and soon Fenrir are the only servers that seem to be more balanced. Queues are absolutely necessary for a large server.
"A couple servers are balanced"
No, those servers are too large. If they wer ebalanced, all servers would be in that list of tours. Balanced means ALL the same, not "a couple the same and the others different."
If the full population of the game were more evenly distributed, things like the duplicated instance areas for Ambu and other such measures that were added to mitigate crowding would not have been necessary.
And further, Asura, which has by far the worst botting/RMT problem, would not be standing out in this area. You could split Asura in two and still have totally playable server populations (still larger than most others).

Ask yourself: Is "more people" really worth longer wait times, and some content being entirely locked out by bots at times (COUGH SALVAGE COUGH), more lag in more places, among other issues caused by overcrowding? Regardless of whether or not Asura was "always popular," the point remains: Asura needed special measures to increase its capacity after it became full, something that has never happened before in FFXI's history? The fact that it reached capacity by definition makes it overcrowded.

As with most things in life, things are better somewhere in the middle than at one or the other of two extremes.

[Pixela]

"why do they have so many people in new york? So overcrowded! move those people to Monterey so even things out!"

[Alhanelem]

"why do they have so many people in new york? So overcrowded! move those people to Monterey so even things out!"
I know what you're trying to do but you know what? Yes, New York is overcrowded.

Aside from that, your analogy is flawed anyway because servers have finite limits that cities do not.

[Zehira]

"why do they have so many people in new york? So overcrowded! move those people to Monterey so even things out!"

Exactly. Not our fault if people don't do anything to keep their fellow players subscribed or from switching over. People on Facebook are still encouraging the new/returned players to go to a larger server. Even making the auction houses available 24/7 is the biggest reason why players want to switch over. Having enough players on a server is more important than people thought. You don't need me to be around to be happy. You always have players to play with while I play the other game.

Primed for Adventure once again proved that they can have a good time with anyone. Okieeomi didn't talk that much when I played with her but she is still right. You don't trust words, you trust actions. People can tell you anything but actions tell you everything.

[Catmato]

You're in luck! World transfers are 50% off for the next 4 weeks!
What have I started?