Mount Animations

[Lortheron]

The Chocobo mount animation is really well done, beautifully made, hair moves, armor moves...

The new implemented mounts have zero animation, the player character stays stiff as a brick on top of them, it's like a game bug really. It stands out a lot as not being on the same polish level of everything else in the game, not even near it. It looks very lazy made.

Please, Square Enix, implement the same Chocobo animations for other mounts in the game.

[Immortal]

Yeah its pretty terrible and highly noticeable on a lot of mounts. Check the Magic Pot mount, the character is so stiff it looks ridiculous.

[Pixela]

The issue is, the monster was never intended to be ridden and so does not have animations built into it to accommodate the player bouncing around. If they tired to do this, it would look worse and clip through.

Personally, since it bothers me I don't use those mounts but I notice a lot don't really care. There are plenty that work fine, like raptor, tulfaire and crab etc

[Zehira]

Be grateful, we don't have a Regalia Type-G in "Vana'diel." It's very weird but a four-seat mount is always nice.


Black, red, blue, and green chocobo mounts would be nice. I'd love to ride them more.

[Immortal]

You can add your personal chocobo as a mount already, so those colors all available

[Alhanelem]

The issue is, the monster was never intended to be ridden and so does not have animations built into it to accommodate the player bouncing around. If they tired to do this, it would look worse and clip through.

Personally, since it bothers me I don't use those mounts but I notice a lot don't really care. There are plenty that work fine, like raptor, tulfaire and crab etc


I don't think anyone expects anything fancy, just a variation on the idle animation, so that your character looks like he's still among the living. i.e. just a little natural flexing/wiggling of the limbs etc.

[Stompa]

Raaz mount will always be my favourite mount!

I agree that some of the other mounts can make the rider look a bit awkward.

But Raaz mount is perfect, imho.

:)

[Lortheron]

Yeah its pretty terrible and highly noticeable on a lot of mounts. Check the Magic Pot mount, the character is so stiff it looks ridiculous.

Right? It's not asking much... just a few player character movement here and there, maybe mimic the chocobo original ridding animation or something like that... the way it is now is just silly and really not on par with all the rest of the game (which is from 2002...).

Please, do you know where can one place such suggestions / requests for it to be heard by the developers? Any idea? Thank you.

[Lortheron]

I don't think anyone expects anything fancy, just a variation on the idle animation, so that your character looks like he's still among the living. i.e. just a little natural flexing/wiggling of the limbs etc.

Exactly this, nothing fancy, just something on par with the rest of the game (which is from 2002). Not asking much... Is there any place for such suggestions / requests to actually be heard by developers?

[Lortheron]

Be grateful, we don't have a Regalia Type-G in "Vana'diel." It's very weird but a four-seat mount is always nice.


Black, red, blue, and green chocobo mounts would be nice. I'd love to ride them more.

God damn how I hate the mounts in FFXIV... don't get me started, nothing makes sense, and it's all so poorly made.

[Alhanelem]

God damn how I hate the mounts in FFXIV... don't get me started, nothing makes sense, and it's all so poorly made.Poorly made? I strongly disagree. Yeah, some of it is out of place, but that's partially because it's a fanservice game. every model is unique and many require new animations or poses, new VFX, new sounds, some mounts even had new music added for them, here in FFXI, they're basically just stapling your character onto an existing monster (We did get the one new music track for non-chocobos, but that's it). Granted, I'm actually very thankful they went and gave us more than just the chocobo we had for so long. But it's pretty insulting if not downright false to suggest that FFXIV's mounts are "poorly made" by comparison. My only complaint about them is the ones that are just so obnoxiously large that you can actually interfere with people being able to do certain things COUGH Asmongold COUGH (and maybe get banned for doing it lol).

[Pixela]

My only complaint about mounts on ffxiv is they want money, when they already get a sub.

[Alhanelem]

My only complaint about mounts on ffxiv is they want money, when they already get a sub.
Every other modern MMO sells stuff why not FFXIV? There are dozens and dozens of mounts you can unlock in game without paying extra as well.

I mean I'm not going to say I generally like the concept, but paid DLC has been around a long time and clearly isn't going anywhere.
Plus there are perks, it's fun to give away those mounts on live streams.

[Zehira]

Gaining more money makes Yoshi-P the ultimate boss here. Yes, here because XI is also his department. Few months ago, he was questioned about if SE should continue XI. He basically was saying XI is still going very strong. Maybe move the servers to the cloud server to lower the cost. He worried he could lose all his hard work if more players move to XI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2S4UGirVVE

Free mounts are always good.

[Alhanelem]

The idea that anyone who works at SE would be worried that someone moves from one sub game to another also run by SE (that maybe doesn't have many value-added services but also probably costs far less to operate) makes no sense to me whatsoever. This is aside from the fact that subscribing to FFXI and subscribing to FFXIV are not mutually exclusive events.

[Lortheron]

Poorly made? I strongly disagree. Yeah, some of it is out of place, but that's partially because it's a fanservice game. every model is unique and many require new animations or poses, new VFX, new sounds, some mounts even had new music added for them, here in FFXI, they're basically just stapling your character onto an existing monster (We did get the one new music track for non-chocobos, but that's it). Granted, I'm actually very thankful they went and gave us more than just the chocobo we had for so long. But it's pretty insulting if not downright false to suggest that FFXIV's mounts are "poorly made" by comparison. My only complaint about them is the ones that are just so obnoxiously large that you can actually interfere with people being able to do certain things COUGH Asmongold COUGH (and maybe get banned for doing it lol).

FFXI is not my comparison in terms of quality, except maybe for the Chocobo original mount. Still, FFXIV mounts are a clipping galore and some very poorly animated, specially the cars, not to say: extremely out of place and immersion breaking. Also some mounts should not be able to jump at all, many of them actually, others should not be able to fly, and some should steer and behave overall different. Why have 34872x mounts if they all behave the same?? If they go trough the trouble of making new sounds, animations, models, textures, etc., they should really go all in and make it unique and care of immersion and things like clipping, etc., or it's best to simply not implement it in the first place at all. Quality of quantity, always (this used to be Square Enix way of thinking, BTW).

[Lortheron]

Gaining more money makes Yoshi-P the ultimate boss here. Yes, here because XI is also his department. Few months ago, he was questioned about if SE should continue XI. He basically was saying XI is still going very strong. Maybe move the servers to the cloud server to lower the cost. He worried he could lose all his hard work if more players move to XI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2S4UGirVVE

Free mounts are always good.

It's sad that they halted the plans to update the engine, interface, etc., and never came back to it, thanks to the launch of FFXIV... If they had done at least this around the time when FFXIV came out, we could have many more players in FFXI now a days. Also, they should've struggled to bring FFXI to the PS3 and PS4 too.

Basically when FFXIV came out, all of the available money the company had, even FFXI money, went all into FFXIV... so unfair. I believe that to this day, most of the money FFXI generates does not come back to the game : (

[Zehira]

It's sad that they halted the plans to update the engine, interface, etc., and never came back to it, thanks to the launch of FFXIV... If they had done at least this around the time when FFXIV came out, we could have many more players in FFXI now a days. Also, they should've struggled to bring FFXI to the PS3 and PS4 too.

Basically when FFXIV came out, all of the available money the company had, even FFXI money, went all into FFXIV... so unfair. I believe that to this day, most of the money FFXI generates does not come back to the game : (

So true. I still have a feeling really none of Yoshi's fault because Tanaka started it and Yoshi had to fix it for the sake of the company. There is really no reason hating on FFXIV just because it's different. I am sure Yoshi was impressed with how graphics were created in 2002.

Still waiting for the 20th.

[Immortal]

It's sad that they halted the plans to update the engine, interface, etc., and never came back to it, thanks to the launch of FFXIV... If they had done at least this around the time when FFXIV came out, we could have many more players in FFXI now a days. Also, they should've struggled to bring FFXI to the PS3 and PS4 too.

Basically when FFXIV came out, all of the available money the company had, even FFXI money, went all into FFXIV... so unfair. I believe that to this day, most of the money FFXI generates does not come back to the game : (

I hate XIV for this reason, they abandoned XI to feed their other game and let it dwindle... How many times have the funds gone to that game when it was failing instead of where it should be? Such a shame, there is no reason for it when they are both completely diff games, they can invest in this more.

[Pixela]

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[Pixela]

The idea that anyone who works at SE would be worried that someone moves from one sub game to another also run by SE (that maybe doesn't have many value-added services but also probably costs far less to operate) makes no sense to me whatsoever. This is aside from the fact that subscribing to FFXI and subscribing to FFXIV are not mutually exclusive events.

They have stated they are both in the same department and counted as one entity anyway, they probably add the XI player numbers and profits to the XIV numbers at investor announcements.

[Shouk]

Poorly made? I strongly disagree. Yeah, some of it is out of place, but that's partially because it's a fanservice game. every model is unique and many require new animations or poses, new VFX, new sounds, some mounts even had new music added for them, here in FFXI, they're basically just stapling your character onto an existing monster (We did get the one new music track for non-chocobos, but that's it). Granted, I'm actually very thankful they went and gave us more than just the chocobo we had for so long. But it's pretty insulting if not downright false to suggest that FFXIV's mounts are "poorly made" by comparison. My only complaint about them is the ones that are just so obnoxiously large that you can actually interfere with people being able to do certain things COUGH Asmongold COUGH (and maybe get banned for doing it lol).

He didn't compare them to XI, he only spoke of XIV which indeed has poorly made mounts. Along with a whole lot of poorly made/lazy things.

[Zero-Hour]

I would settle for an option to turn off the terrible mount music, it totally destroys to mood in many zones. All you ever hear no matter where you go is the mount music.

[Alhanelem]

He didn't compare them to XI, he only spoke of XIV which indeed has poorly made mounts. Along with a whole lot of poorly made/lazy things.With certain exceptions, you are very wrong. It is fine to have opinions as long as you don't frame them as facts.

List examples of mounts you feel are "poorly made" and give specific reasons. "I don't like them" and "they're out of place for the game" are not valid responses.

There are mounts in the game that I don't like, but that doesn't make them "poorly made."

Poorly made would be things like inverted triangles, visble UV mistakes, incorrect animations, sounds etc. Poorly made is not synonymous with "I don't like them" or "it's FFXIV so everything sucks because I resent its existence." Without providing examples and good reasons, your statements ring hollow and sound more like "I hate FFXIV and need excuses to bash it."

[Shouk]

With certain exceptions, you are very wrong. It is fine to have opinions as long as you don't frame them as facts.


lol. Even more coming from you.

[Pixela]

FFXI and FFXIV are made for completely different kinds of players, the target audience are nothing alike.

Many of us hate it, becasue it's not made for us.

It's like asking why we would hate fortnite or something, same thing.

[Zehira]

FFXI is very unique. I mean it's really depending on the culture. On the official FFXIV forum, it's interesting to see that the Japanese, French, and German communities have been getting official replies while the English community is feeling left out. The NA team has been doing more for FFXI than FFXIV though. Anyways, I think they've been so busy preparing to launch the next expansion.

[Alhanelem]

lol. Even more coming from you.
I don't do that, so, lol to you too I guess.

[Alhanelem]

FFXI and FFXIV are made for completely different kinds of players, the target audience are nothing alike.

Many of us hate it, becasue it's not made for us.

It's like asking why we would hate fortnite or something, same thing.
While there is partial truth here, my issue lies with people making the choice to hate it purely over its existence and not over any good or bad qualities it may poseess.

[Immortal]

I hate XIV! For what they did to XI

[Alhanelem]

I hate XIV! For what they did to XI
2/10 must try harder

[Immortal]

lol sry but its true, I really hate it with all my soul :)

[Alhanelem]

lol sry but its true, I really hate it with all my soul :)I"m sorry, but FFXIV isn't responsible for anything that happened to FFXI. that was the XI team's own doing. If anything the abysmal failiure of FFXIV 1.0 should have boosted FFXI, but it didn't.I can't tell you what to like and not to like but I can tell you that hating for the sake of hating is not a good reason for anything no matter what one is discussing.

[Pixela]

As a life long FF fan and someone that has played ff11 for 18 years, if the option was f14 or nothing. I would play nothing.

[Immortal]

I"m sorry, but FFXIV isn't responsible for anything that happened to FFXI. that was the XI team's own doing. If anything the abysmal failiure of FFXIV 1.0 should have boosted FFXI, but it didn't.I can't tell you what to like and not to like but I can tell you that hating for the sake of hating is not a good reason for anything no matter what one is discussing.

sry I disagree, XIV was the direct cause of XIs decline

[Alhanelem]

sry I disagree, XIV was the direct cause of XIs decline
And sry, i disagree with your disagreement

[Alhanelem]

As a life long FF fan and someone that has played ff11 for 18 years, if the option was f14 or nothing. I would play nothing.
I've played FFXI since day 1, and i've played FFXIV since its day 1. The games are nothing alike and have little to nothing to do with each other. They're made to appeal to different people (though I have reasons to like each of them).

As I said before. I'm totally fine with people playing it and not liking it for whatever attributes it possesses. I'm not fine with people hating for the sake of hating, or based on some cockamamie conspiracy theory about SE wanting to destroy their own game (which is clearly not true or it wouldn't still exist now).

I don't even fully agree (it was a factor, not sole reason) with the rather popular notion that abyssea ruined the game, but FFXI has far more to do with its own decline than anything the FFXIV team did.

I half suspect I'm just being trolled here, but w/e.


//still waiting for the "poorly made" mount examples

[Immortal]

It directly advertises to Final Fantasy fans... of course it will have a direct impact on XIs bottom line. Even if the playstyles of the games are different, its still a FF game and will draw that crowd. I know plenty of people forcing themselves to play XIV just because its popular and has FF fan service. They hate the battle system because they always hated WOW yet they force themselves to play it. SE has hardly ever advertised XI, they directly took its gains and used it to bolster XIV when it failed, they have constantly neglected the game at many points. Of course its natural the population would wane, when they are pouring all their efforts into XIV! I remember seeing tons of advertising in major cities for XIV, including NYC times sq. Have you ever remembered anything like that for XI? So yes, I blame SE and especially XIV for the decline. That is why I hate it! :) Also you say XIV team has nothing to do with it, you do realize that Yoshida is in control of XI? Do you think he would let it succeed over his baby?

[Alhanelem]

It directly advertises to Final Fantasy fans... of course it will have a direct impact on XIs bottom line.I don't understand this one, you say this as if FFXI somehow didn't advertise or appeal to FF fans.

As I said, the two games have different gameplay. Not every FF fan likes every FF game and between the two, there are many who would only even consider playing one or the other. Now, it would be wrong to say that zero players were taken from FFXI when FFXIV came out, but I personally believe that number is small. Only a handful of FFXI players were expressing interest in it even back then. And at that time, FFXI had been out for a decade already (FFXIV in its 9th year of operation). The rate of new players for just about any game that's been out that long is low- the vast majority of people playing it at the time had been and would continue to play it for a while. Meanwhile, FFXIV largely appeals to a newer generation of impatient kids who probably never played an FF game before it, certainly not FFXI.

It is because of these factors that I think you and others vastly overestimate the impact of FFXIV on FFXI's state. Just by the basics of the gameplay, they mainly appeal to different types of people and thus neither likely could have taken that many players from the other (Even though SE originally modeled the races after those in FFXI- but that's about all they have in common besides some monsters and skill names). Admittedly, this is somewhat of a counter-argument to my earlier discussions on a combination sub discount- but there is an overlap, just not a very big one. SE gets almost twice as much money from me as I subscribe to both.

[Zehira]

Do you think he would let it succeed over his baby?

No, I don't want him to let it succeed over XIV. Smaller community was much more civilized and mature (around 500k subscribers). Love the international servers. As a RDM/NIN and THF/NIN solo Mithra in 75 cap era, I wasn't impressed with XIV's battle system. He can keep his baby for the WoW refugees (the ones I just met).

Not like SE is riding on a high Dhalmel mount anyway. We see the demand of a remaster and console port very high.

[Pixela]

Do you remember why XI players hated on WoW so long ago? let me tell you, because the toxic minority of players of that game went to every other mmorpg community and kept telling us our games were dying, causing trouble, turning an mmo they pay to play into a competition for world champion (when nobody else cares), saying our games were dying and trying to make us go play their game all the time. They turned the game from a game into a religion and wanted to convert the world, and so they became hated.

A large minority of XIV players do the same to every other mmorpg community but worse, which is why every other mmorpg community from star trek, eso, wow, new world, gw2, tera, b&s and ffxi hates them and by association their game. It's hilariously ironic that these players are desperate for us all to move to their game so they can be number one (they never will be btw, it's all gas lighting), but their own actions ensure we will never now do so and so the game will never grow beyond what it is. Which is the greatest pain to XIV players, because all they care about is being "number one" because all they ever do is talk about how many players they have (even though they know the numbers are bullshots).

XIV has taken the toxic hate crown from wow and wears it with pride, and is the most stinky community in the genre to everyone else bar none. They attack anyone that says anything bad about their game, from streamers to youtubers, they go on other fan reddit subs and steam forums and openly attack those games, they attack anyone that dares to say any cash shop additions are not fantastic (which is why you'll soon have gambling loot boxes) and pretty much turn developers into religious icons.

This is why near every other mmorpg community does not like the game, however for XI we funded the game entirely to be made and then we paid for ARR while it's players paid no sub. We took massive content droughts as our developers were pushed into making it and repairing it, we were treated as the cash cow that paid for your monstrosity to be birthed.

We have many valid reasons to dislike it.

This all aside from the fact as I said that' XIV is basically fortnite the mmorpg. It's extremely casual, has zero respect for it's world and shoves whatever nonsense in it other companies will allow, treats its players like walking ATMs and is nerfed harder every patch in order to appeal to a wider and wider audience of peons.

[Lortheron]

I hate XIV for this reason, they abandoned XI to feed their other game and let it dwindle... How many times have the funds gone to that game when it was failing instead of where it should be? Such a shame, there is no reason for it when they are both completely diff games, they can invest in this more.

Exactly, specially since it makes zero difference for then to have players on either game. Also, they should encourage more players to subscribe to both games by offering discounts...

[Lortheron]

I would settle for an option to turn off the terrible mount music, it totally destroys to mood in many zones. All you ever hear no matter where you go is the mount music.

In that regard... one should be able to edit the music files of the game and simply remove the musics one doesn't bare to hear again, and again, and again, anymore. Or a simple area toggle for music in each zone. I'd turn off the mount music and SandOria music immediately.

[Lortheron]

Do you remember why XI players hated on WoW so long ago? let me tell you, because the toxic minority of players of that game went to every other mmorpg community and kept telling us our games were dying, causing trouble, turning an mmo they pay to play into a competition for world champion (when nobody else cares), saying our games were dying and trying to make us go play their game all the time. They turned the game from a game into a religion and wanted to convert the world, and so they became hated.

A large minority of XIV players do the same to every other mmorpg community but worse, which is why every other mmorpg community from star trek, eso, wow, new world, gw2, tera, b&s and ffxi hates them and by association their game. It's hilariously ironic that these players are desperate for us all to move to their game so they can be number one (they never will be btw, it's all gas lighting), but their own actions ensure we will never now do so and so the game will never grow beyond what it is. Which is the greatest pain to XIV players, because all they care about is being "number one" because all they ever do is talk about how many players they have (even though they know the numbers are bullshots).

XIV has taken the toxic hate crown from wow and wears it with pride, and is the most stinky community in the genre to everyone else bar none. They attack anyone that says anything bad about their game, from streamers to youtubers, they go on other fan reddit subs and steam forums and openly attack those games, they attack anyone that dares to say any cash shop additions are not fantastic (which is why you'll soon have gambling loot boxes) and pretty much turn developers into religious icons.

This is why near every other mmorpg community does not like the game, however for XI we funded the game entirely to be made and then we paid for ARR while it's players paid no sub. We took massive content droughts as our developers were pushed into making it and repairing it, we were treated as the cash cow that paid for your monstrosity to be birthed.

We have many valid reasons to dislike it.

This all aside from the fact as I said that' XIV is basically fortnite the mmorpg. It's extremely casual, has zero respect for it's world and shoves whatever nonsense in it other companies will allow, treats its players like walking ATMs and is nerfed harder every patch in order to appeal to a wider and wider audience of peons.

Thank you very much.

[Alhanelem]

I hate XIV for this reason, they abandoned XI to feed their other game and let it dwindle...Except, this really isn't what happened. And the game was never really abandoned. We still have a dev team and we still get new content. We even still got another expansion well past the release of FFXIV.

It's really just not true no matter how much you want it to be.



XIV has taken the toxic hate crown from wow and wears it with pride, and is the most stinky community in the genre to everyone else bar none.I generally disagree with this sentiment. The highest end players in FFXI were toxic back in the day, and there are toxic players in every other MMO. I have seen nothing to suggest to me that FFXIV is more or less toxic than any other MMO.



This is why near every other mmorpg community does not like the game,I know of zero entire MMO communities, except possibly FFXI's that hate on FFXIV like this. And I have played many MMOs. If there is such a community that exists, the only reason I can fathom them not liking it is jealousy of its success, "stealing" players from their MMO. I guess its a crime to be successful.



Do you remember why XI players hated on WoW so long ago? I always saw the FFXI-WoW thing as a friendly rivalry. Again, there's probably those who felt like WoW's success "stole" players from FFXI, just like the same accusation is made against WoW. But I don't believe that this situation was anything like you're making it out to be.

But this is more just proving my point, with the exception of the opinions of the game's community, this all comes down to hating for the sake of hating, or resentment of its existence. Few will even make the claim that they played it and didn't like it. Some of you have, and that's fair and reasonable. But I feel it's unreasonable to hate on it purely because it became successful and SE decided to focus on it. Games rarely succeed because they are bad, cult phenomenons are not as common as we pretend they are.



This all aside from the fact as I said that' XIV is basically fortnite the mmorpg. It's extremely casual, has zero respect for it's world and shoves whatever nonsense in it other companies will allow, treats its players like walking ATMs and is nerfed harder every patch in order to appeal to a wider and wider audience of peons.Pretty far from the truth. While yes, the game does sell items for money (like every other game on the planet today), I disagree about it having "zero respect for its world-" The lore of the game is deep and complex and I don't think having a collab event or some buyable vanity item compromises that. Collabs are just a popular thing in gaming today, and a lot of people like to see different worlds collide, so to speak. It's fair to say that aquiring players is a motivation for them, however. FFXI has become increasingly guilty of offering items that don't really fit the world, like the tshirts.

There is some partial truth to the nerfing comment. But in reality, existing skillsets get simplified to make room for new high level skills, which is done so that there aren't more buttons than you can fit on like 3 hotbars. However, this is a valid gameplay criticism that I can respect.

A large minority of XIV players do the same to every other mmorpg community but worse, which is why every other mmorpg community from star trek, eso, wow, new world, gw2, tera, b&s and ffxi hates them and by association their game.I really don't know what you're talking about here. I don't know anyone like this in the game. I really have never seen this, where you say people hate on other games/communities and try to paint theirs as the best one or whatever it is you're saying here. It really just isn't a thing to any measurable degree.

TL;DR it's as I said before. I can understand not liking the game for playing it and not liking aspects of its gameplay. That's fine and if you played it and didn't like it for the game it was, that's all fine and dandy and I salute you in your quest to find and play the games you find fun. But all this crap about communities hating on each other, blaming other games for another's success/failiure, none of this really has any merit.

A lot of the non-game related reasons you all are citing are stereotypes- many of them are largely false or otherwise not anywhere near as substantial as you would suggest. The reality is most players of FFXIV, and most other games for that matter, just like their game and don't bend over to dig at other games just for the sake of doing so.

[Alhanelem]

No, I don't want him to let it succeed over XIV. Smaller community was much more civilized and mature (around 500k subscribers). Love the international servers. As a RDM/NIN and THF/NIN solo Mithra in 75 cap era, I wasn't impressed with XIV's battle system. He can keep his baby for the WoW refugees (the ones I just met).

Not like SE is riding on a high Dhalmel mount anyway. We see the demand of a remaster and console port very high.
As I've stated elsewhere, I strongly support and hope for a remaster. I really don't know about console ports though. It helps with player counts but IMHO consoles have never been well suited to MMOs. MMOs usually have too many commands to be manageable with a controller (I don't know how anyone does/did it in this game TBH), and you end up needing a keyboard and/or mouse anyway for communication. And consoles tend to introduce limitations in the long term over an always-upgradable platform like the PC. FFXIV got around this by making PC the main platform, and they can drop and add platforms as they become obsolete/get introduced.

PS2 limitations were a meme for FFXI before most people even knew what memes were.