Target harassment from JP purists and salty mercs. SE OFFICAL CLARIFICATION NEEDED

[Concerned_NA_player]

How is it that square enix can condone target harassments from the JP players against all NA players, and are continually banning REAL life players but yet they do nothing absolutely nothing about pirated private servers, and the mass galkas bots, sphere bots, in ff11

for the last few years there have been target posts by JP purists on the JP forums, twitter post telling people to spam report people and to "purge" the game of english playing players that they claim are a cancer to the game.

any suspensions based on this kind of activity is very very biased.
you really need to re-evaluate your stance on RMT and real players... as it stands it seems you favor bots vs your real players that bring publicity to the game and keep it alive.


I'm Calling out @yoji_fujito @Akihiko_matsui Gunisaka @NOC_NA and what ever staff members / strategic task force members or SGMs.

how can you ban players that are keeping this game alive yet you let EDEN, Nasomi, Wings, and these pirated private servers live, and bow to the JP players that are targeting NA players.

https://twitter.com/FF11_guest take this account for example.

and this post: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/57162-%E3%81%84%E3%81%A4%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A7%E7%B5%8C%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%E3%82%82%E3%81%AF%E3%83%9C%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%81%AF%E9%87%8E%E6%94%BE%E3%81%97?p=635380&viewfull=1#post635380

[Zehira]

How is it that square enix can condone target harassments from the JP players against all NA players

Most of them are kind of polite and respectful players, I don't blame them. I have read the whole RMT chat myself in a different thread. I haven't seen a single English player I know that got banned but the way I see the screenshots that are posted on Twitter I think they should be taken care of.


From the player's point of view, bot players are grateful that they can sleep and earn experience points during work just by issuing gil, but this can also be said to shorten the life of the game.

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Some people are angry on the forum that they will not be punished, but it is clearly stated that they are subject to punishment for automatic play.
So it's probably "the system can't tell if you're using a bot".

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Considering the current situation of FF11, I think there is not enough power to devote manpower to it.
From the point of view that the tools are too widespread, it may not be possible to do this technically.

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I think that ordinary players who do not use automatic operation tools have no choice but to stop spending effort on reporting and accept the current situation.

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Recently, it seems that some NA players have begun to explain how to use bots through live streaming on the net.

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mean ... I'm sorry for the inconvenience (crying)

That's so true. Good Japanese grammar that doesn't hurt the language translation process. I am not talking about any private server that lets bot running through live steaming. There is a plenty of good and bad third party developers. By good third party developers, I mean, they are working so hard to keep things organized. I personally thanked them for what they have done so I can enjoy FFXI without worrying about requiring a voice chat and "technical limitations."

You can't blame English players for wanting the PS2 support to be dropped.

[BST]

If you use Third-party tools in any form, for any reason, you condone what is possible from using said Third-party tools.

Don't try to justify using any of them!

[Zehira]

If you use Third-party tools in any form, for any reason, you condone what is possible from using said Third-party tools.

Don't try to justify using any of them!

Unfortunately, no. I understand the only salty moments I hear from "vanilla" players. When I admit that I use any third party tool (I don't say which) it's all on me (me me). If it makes you feel better I don't encourage any player to use a third party tool on this official forum where the rules are applied. But still there are zero reasons to push players into panic mode where they are supposed to enjoy????

[Alhanelem]

If you use Third-party tools in any form, for any reason, you condone what is possible from using said Third-party tools.

Don't try to justify using any of them!So you're saying if I use third party tools to make crap on the screen bigger so I can read it with my crappy eyes, I condone people cheating and using packet injections and warping all over the zone and auto grinding XP?

Because I don't.

[Gwydion]

So you're saying if I use third party tools to make crap on the screen bigger so I can read it with my crappy eyes, I condone people cheating and using packet injections and warping all over the zone and auto grinding XP?

Because I don't.

This. In 2021, the game has zero accessibility features. It wouldn't take SE very long to add a selection of fonts with improved sizes/resolutions without overhauling the whole UI, either. (I'm not advocating re-designing the UI, we need new content badly and Dev resources are scarce).

[Alhanelem]

FFXI was designed for 480p - 1024x768. the font used for such things as the status window, the names and numbers in the party list UI etc, were readable at that resolution, but they're just too tiny. I need that info bigger and closer to the middle of the screen or its just really hard to read. I really want to know how someone else is b eing harmed by me having a clear and readable UI.

If that updated PC UI ever saw the light of day, that would have solved my problems, because I could have at least moved important UI elements out from the edges of the screen. But sadly, they cancelled it.

[Pixela]

They don't really care if you use 3rd party stuff as such, they care if you get carried away. People have a tendency to push the limit, when you do that they are going to slap you down. People tend to get away with something and then think they can push it a bit more, then push it a bit more and then you get your entire account banned when you push it a little bit at a time to the unacceptable stuff.


Unfortunately, no. I understand the only salty moments I hear from "vanilla" players. When I admit that I use any third party tool (I don't say which) it's all on me (me me). If it makes you feel better I don't encourage any player to use a third party tool on this official forum where the rules are applied. But still there are zero reasons to push players into panic mode where they are supposed to enjoy????

I know you think you're getting away with something posting this here but I would suggest you stop pushing it, the way this works is a year form now someone will read this and decide to investigate you for your posts (and maybe also your 14 account which is linked to it from your IP because the same GMs work on both games). Why are you even taking the risk by posting this on official forums? This is like putting a time bomb in your own car.

They could notice this post 1-2 years from now, you're gaining nothing being so brazen so why do it.

[Zehira]

Why are you even taking the risk by posting this on official forums? This is like putting a time bomb in your own car..

<3 you. Let's be real... For the last two years.. (from my point of view, SE is definitely manipulating you.)

[BST]

So you're saying if I use third party tools to make crap on the screen bigger so I can read it with my crappy eyes, I condone people cheating and using packet injections and warping all over the zone and auto grinding XP?

Because I don't.

If you are using the same Tool to do as you say, that also allows manipulation of certain game mechanics for example, yes, you do know about that, thus you condone it.

As you don't seem to mind that it allows game mechanic-exploitation as well etc, because if you didn't condone it, then you wouldn't use the Tool at all.

[Zehira]

Dear BST the vanilla kitty. https://i.imgur.com/3UbGOOt.png You may call me the Captain Meow! https://i.imgur.com/gKiV8e8.png

Your money you paid for the world transfer, you'd think SE would take an action? Let me tell you something. Before you did that, I also paid to reactivate my another account and I paid about two times more than the cost of world transfer. I wanted to be clear because many players seem don't understand. They just be like "wait... did someone report my post?" No, not really. Our money did. It is clear that SE only follow money over rules so as long as we are not RMT or fraudsters, therefore, our money actually manipulating SE. I know because I have done that several times before. We just get out and work to earn money and put money into their pockets just let them to be happy staff. ;)

I am a dual-boxer for 6 years and I still find it more effective than playing only one.

[Alhanelem]

If you are using the same Tool to do as you say, that also allows manipulation of certain game mechanics for example, yes, you do know about that, thus you condone it.Having tools doesn't mean I'm doing those things, and it doesn't mean anyone else is either. Thank you for lumping me with my phsyical limitations in with actual cheaters. That's really classy of you.

You're also telling me people with physical limitations and disabilities shouldn't be allowed to play, with the logic that anything that could be used as a weapon therefore must be no matter what the actual intentions of the user are. You're telling me that a pen is a weapon and should be treated as such even though the primary purpose of a pen is writing on things, just because you could stab someone with a pen.

Also, "tool" is not a proper noun and isn't supposed to be capitalized.

I do not condone cheating, n o matter how much you try to spin it. Making the game accessible to me does not give me an advantage over you, nor does it mean I approve of people using or doing things that do give them an advantage.



I know you think you're getting away with something posting this here but I would suggest you stop pushing it, the way this works is a year form now someone will read this and decide to investigate you for your posts (and maybe also your 14 account which is linked to it from your IP because the same GMs work on both games). Why are you even taking the risk by posting this on official forums? This is like putting a time bomb in your own car.SE treats FFXI and FFXIV and also their associated forums as seperate. Getting in trouble in one doesn't automatically get you punished in the other. Action is taken against individual forum or service accounts.

[Pixela]

SE treats FFXI and FFXIV and also their associated forums as seperate. Getting in trouble in one doesn't automatically get you punished in the other. Action is taken against individual forum or service accounts.

This is true however the exact same staff police both games, if nothing else they could take a look at the other account on the off-chance someone that does stupid stuff one one might be doing stupid stuff on the other.

[Zehira]

This is true however the exact same staff police both games, if nothing else they could take a look at the other account on the off-chance someone that does stupid stuff one one might be doing stupid stuff on the other.

FFXIV forum was so dramatic back in 2013 that got us banned. However, today is different. We have like the new staff hired.

I swear people from the UK are so weird but thank you for trying to take care of me. I am not trying to bring up politics but now under our new presidential admin, they are giving Deaf people and women more rights.

[Alhanelem]

This is true however the exact same staff police both games, if nothing else they could take a look at the other account on the off-chance someone that does stupid stuff one one might be doing stupid stuff on the other.
It's techniclaly possible as you are correct about how things are managed, but thus far I've not seen any sign that they take behavior on one into account when choosing actions to take on the other. I was banned from the FFXIV forums ages ago for an honest mistake I regretted, and to this day they won't consider giving me access again. But yet, I am still free to post here and I've seen no sign of them judging me based on actions on the other forum.

[Pixela]

FFXIV forum was so dramatic back in 2013 that got us banned. However, today is different. We have like the new staff hired.

I swear people from the UK are so weird but thank you for trying to take care of me. I am not trying to bring up politics but now under our new presidential admin, they are giving Deaf people and women more rights.

The official forums here were exactly the same, almost everyone was banned from here years ago until they decided to change stance. Only a handful survived.

Also I'm just saying it's stupid to post that you're a hardcore botter and cheater on official forums. Don't equate simple advice to emotional attachment however, that would be weird.



While not all bots are nice even some of them do make mistakes, usually, I get a nice /tell message from a player letting me know they want this camp (it may take several hours if not tomorrow until I realize the message). I leave my bot paused for a while to let them to take the camp. If I find out that player is actually another bot I can continue my bot.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/58034-Type-whatever-if-%21-Would-be-nice-if?p=635390&viewfull=1#post635390

[BST]

Having tools doesn't mean I'm doing those things, and it doesn't mean anyone else is either. Thank you for lumping me with my phsyical limitations in with actual cheaters. That's really classy of you.

You're also telling me people with physical limitations and disabilities shouldn't be allowed to play, with the logic that anything that could be used as a weapon therefore must be no matter what the actual intentions of the user are. You're telling me that a pen is a weapon and should be treated as such even though the primary purpose of a pen is writing on things, just because you could stab someone with a pen.

Also, "tool" is not a proper noun and isn't supposed to be capitalized.

I do not condone cheating, n o matter how much you try to spin it. Making the game accessible to me does not give me an advantage over you, nor does it mean I approve of people using or doing things that do give them an advantage.


SE treats FFXI and FFXIV and also their associated forums as seperate. Getting in trouble in one doesn't automatically get you punished in the other. Action is taken against individual forum or service accounts.

Feature benefits me, there for, I'll look past the possible Exploits available within the same Program and use this Feature instead, to my advantage, even though I don't like what other people use Program for, and not forgetting Program is NOT allowed as per the Terms of Service.

So you Condone.

[Alhanelem]

Feature benefits me, there for, I'll look past the possible Exploits available within the same Program and use this Feature instead, to my advantage, even though I don't like what other people use Program for, and not forgetting Program is NOT allowed as per the Terms of Service.

So you Condone.
Your logic is flawed. And I condone nothing. And it's not about advantages, it's about being able to play at all. you are essentially arguing that disabled people who need accommodations to perform regular tasks have an "advantage" in performing those tasks. Those accommodations are not an "advantage", they are an equalizer.

This is about being able to play, not about having an advantage. And if SE isn't going to update their game to make it more accessible (like they should have done ages ago, especially offering colorblind filters at a bare minimum) then players who want to be ABLE TO PLAY AT ALL have to take matters into their own hands. I REPEAT: NEEDING ACCESSIBILITY FEATURES DOES NOT MEAN CONDONING CHEATING.

The spirit of the rule is more important than the letter. The spirit of the rule in question is to prevent cheating. SE regularly looks the other way when it comes to things that are not actually cheating. Many people (I'm not one of them) swap datafiles to make the graphics looks nicer. Is this cheating? no. is it *technically* against the TOS? Yes. Has SE banned anyone for doing it? No. You're creating a false sense of morality by objecting to benign uses of external tools, just because they COULD be used to cheat, even if they are not. Again, this is like if the US Government decided to start regulating pens and pencils as weapons because they COULD be used to hurt someone, even though that is not what they are designed to do.

Ultimately, neither your opinion or mine matters, because SE enforces its rules at its discretion. And thus far, it has chosen not to enforce them in circumstances like these.

(I also remind you that only the first letter of sentences, abbreviations, and proper nouns are supposed to be capitalized.

[Catmato]

(I also remind you that only the first letter of sentences, abbreviations, and proper nouns are supposed to be capitalized.)

Imagine correcting someone's grammar on the internet.

[Alhanelem]

Imagine correcting someone's grammar on the internet. Imagine complaining about someone correcting grammar on the internet.


Spelling and grammar are not the same thing. the spell check didn't immediately catch that, and I regret the misspelling. It has been corrected.

[Pixela]

When you try to mock someone for errors in a post like this all you're doing is the equivalent of saying "oh yeah? well you're fat", it's just a cheap, silly shot and all you end up doing is making people sympathize with the other person.

It's one thing to say it in a trolling manner with no effort put into the post, but if you stick it on the end of a long post all you're really showing is that you're mad.

[Alhanelem]

When you try to mock someone for errors in a post like this all you're doing is the equivalent of saying "oh yeah? well you're fat", it's just a cheap, silly shot and all you end up doing is making people sympathize with the other person.

It's one thing to say it in a trolling manner with no effort put into the post, but if you stick it on the end of a long post all you're really showing is that you're mad.

You're welcome to your opinion. But in fact, the reason I called it out is I think it was intentional, as a certain famous former world leader did it all the time, and him doing it has caused other people to do it.

But am I mad that I'm being lumped in with cheaters when I don't cheat, nor endorse said cheating? Yes, in fact, I am.