crafting sign and 150k guild pt item in crafting needed?

[Cyriack]

do you need the crafting sign and the 150k guild pt item to reach maximum hq rate? or are they just a waste of time. a person told me once that they are considered a different effect to have those and do not count towards your mogenhancement being good. also on a side note is it better to have overwhelming of the element in your mog house or feint, because I was hqing 4 on feint more than on overwhelming with exalted logs.

[Zuidar]

do you need the crafting sign and the 150k guild pt item to reach maximum hq rate? or are they just a waste of time. a person told me once that they are considered a different effect to have those and do not count towards your mogenhancement being good. also on a side note is it better to have overwhelming of the element in your mog house or feint, because I was hqing 4 on feint more than on overwhelming with exalted logs.

They wouldnt have no effect on HQ other than just giving the +skill to the crafts and even then, the crafting stall is the best one (synergized from emblem) so don't waste GPs on those really high point furnishings and just stick with the stall. You're probably just lucky with the HQs. Just have max skill gear + mega moglification from crafting stall and coconut rusks for HQ

[Cyriack]

They wouldnt have no effect on HQ other than just giving the +skill to the crafts and even then, the crafting stall is the best one (synergized from emblem) so don't waste GPs on those really high point furnishings and just stick with the stall. You're probably just lucky with the HQs. Just have max skill gear + mega moglification from crafting stall and coconut rusks for HQ

yeah but isn't the + skill needed to reach sometimes the next tier like in voodoo making ?

[Zuidar]

The high GP furnishings when put together gives moglification craft which gives you slight skill boost and reduces chance of losing mats when breaking.
The Stall alone gives Mega Moglification craft which gives a big boost to the craft skill. I would think the stall would just overwrite the first and not combine.

[Cyriack]

ok I need to reword it, does the sign and the other item that's 150k give +skill like in if u are 120 the two items together would make u 122? if not then they aren't worth it.

[Zuidar]

Yes they give you skill but they are no longer needed because the stall the most skill. It's a waste of guild points to bother with with those. If you already got the 15k GP emblem and synergized the stall, then you're good. Getting the two items will not strengthen the effects with the stall.

[Cyriack]

Yes they give you skill but they are no longer needed because the stall the most skill. It's a waste of guild points to bother with with those. If you already got the 15k GP emblem and synergized the stall, then you're good. Getting the two items will not strengthen the effects with the stall.

oh I see what you are saying so if an item to craft is lv 90 and you are 120, to get that tier of 31 over it wouldn't benefit you to have the sign.

[Zuidar]

oh I see what you are saying so if an item to craft is lv 90 and you are 120, to get that tier of 31 over it wouldn't benefit you to have the sign.

Yes they do affect HQ just from the +1 skill added to your 120 craft skill to get to that 31 tier on a 90 craft item. If you already have them, that's alright. If you don't have them, just go straight for the stall (+5 Skill) and be done with it.

[Cyriack]

Yes they do affect HQ just from the +1 skill added to your 120 craft skill to get to that 31 tier on a 90 craft item. If you already have them, that's alright. If you don't have them, just go straight for the stall (+5 Skill) and be done with it.

I think we are at a misunderstanding, lets say you have 120 woodworking and an item is craft level 96. a stall gives you +5 I think a sign gives you +1 and I think the other item gives you +1 so you would be at 127 which is 31 over the items cap, which allows you to 1/15 hq the item instead of 1/30 hq the item, which is a huge jump. what im asking is if the sign is +1 or not.

[Zuidar]

Yes, the sign is +1 skill when set to get https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Moghancement:_Clothcraft. This also is the case for the other 150k Item when set alone. When both are set you get this https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Moglification:_Clothcraft which gives +1 skill and reduces chance of losing materials in their respective craft attempt. If you're assuming they all stack together with the stall and combine once all together, that's not going to work as the stall's effect will overwrite, So you only will be at 125 and not 127

[Cyriack]

oic, thank you. that actually explains a lot of why when I hq its more like 1/30 than 1/15

[Dzspdref]

Also being 31+ over the craft just gives you a better chance to get HQ, does not mean you WILL, but you're more likely to get it than when nearer to crafting cap of the item.
I was Lv. 76ish Woodworking when I made my own Pluto's Staff. Cap of Dark Staff is 75WW. I just got that extremely lucky chance.

[Cyriack]

yeah but if those two items get overridden does that mean that the other furnishings like alembic u can buy off ah get overridden too as skill pts? also to that I have an aurum coffer, and its not set to that mogenhancement, but the aurum coffer still spits out gears. so im thinking these items are not overridden just the status effect.