Report function

[Cdryik]

Hello,

I'd like to suggest a way to report more easier any cheat use or bot.

Can we get a simple slash command that we could use:

/report Name TypeOfExploit

Example:

/report ajfhzeahda bot warp

Then the slash command will fill auto the time, zone, etc... and be sent to the STF

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Actually, the game is crowded with to much cheater and bot, it's take to long to open menu and fullfill the STF message for every player.

Anyway, it's either cheat or bot.

[Sirmarki]

Or even better, a GM appears, stands there and observes for ~ 5 mins and acts. (Like in the old days).

[Isola]

Just like every other time this kind of suggestion comes up, I pose the question, How do you make up for that lost money? Let's assume they ban 10,000 bots. K great. They just lost $100,000 per month. So how to you make up for that? I promise you 10,000 new players aren't going to start playing XI. and 10,000 aren't going to come back.

I don't disagree with you, but you need to be honest about the scenario. First and foremost it is a business. If you quit, new bots easily cover your lost revenue, not so much the other way around. Would you be willing to pay double your subscription to help cover the loss? It's not 2005 anymore, you have to weigh pros and cons, and man, there are no pros on this one.

[Cdryik]

It is against the ToS.

Enough to say.

It make no sense defending the use of software that give beneficial against the others.
Unless...

But i'm not here to debate about it.

I just suggest an easier way to use what's already there.

[Isola]

Money is more important than rules. Solve the money problem, they'll be able to enforce the rules. An impossible proposition.

Do you want the game to end, or do you want them to look the other way to keep it going. They already ignore the reports as it is. I know you know this. making reporting easier doesn't get them to start paying any more attention to the reports, because they already exist, they just can't care. Their hands are tied.

[Cdryik]

If to keep a game alive you have to let toxic person to play, then, i would better see the game being shutdown.

[Alhanelem]

FFXIV has a right-click-to-report for RMT, i fully support this.

Implementation wise, another good option would be to do it similar to the above: Add a "report to STF" button to the context menu you get when selecting someone's name in the full chat log window.

[Isola]

XIV bans more people per month than total play XI. It works there. If this was 2005 it would be justified here.


Time Period: Dec. 26, 2019 to Jan. 8, 2020

・Participation in RMT/prohibited activities
　・Accounts terminated: 10,140　
・Botting activity (Using any number of third party tools that allow for automation)
　・Accounts terminated: 4
　・Accounts temporarily suspended: 11
・RMT advertising
　・Accounts terminated: 1,719

If they even thought about banning 10% of that many people on XI it would be 4 entire servers deleted.

[Zehira]

If to keep a game alive you have to let toxic person to play, then, i would better see the game being shutdown.

I understand. Even I wouldn't support this just because I am breaking the rules. I have been away from FFXI for almost two months. I am okay with FFXIV for now. No Windower needed.

I don't think people would even imagine they'd be playing without third-party tools anymore.

[TullemoreAsuraFFXI]

Yes there still are "Traditionalists" that want to interact with FFXI The way it is developed and how the Dev team intends.

Below i'm including comment i posted in another topic that applies here.

Here's my solution: 8 Step process:
1>Declare or create a server designated as a "Traditionalist" server.
2>Bolster that "Traditionalist" server with a dozen champion tier GMs with bolstered data analysis tools for detection of adverse third party program/application use.
3>Require user acceptance of enhanced data analysis prior to access to the "Traditionalist" server.
4>With sufficient evidence any account in violation of FFXI ToS would be relocated off the "Traditionalist" server to a single declared "Anarchy" server.
5>Accounts relocated to the single declared "Anarchy" server would be barred from server transfers.
6>New "Traditionalist" server would allow for complimentary transfer for accounts in good standing from any existing server.
7>To access the new "Traditionalist" server, a one time lifetime purchase for access to this server of suggesting $240.00. This would guarantee lifetime access for one account including 16 unrestricted character slots and lifetime access to both wardrobes 3 and 4, standard, for as long as that account remains a resident of the "Traditionalist" server.


+ To encourage coordination and collaborative play on all servers:
8>Modernize/Upgrade the seacom (/seacom) menu functions described or close to this description if possible;
{ Create communications channels based around the traditional /seacom categories. Can use /c or /w as a designation beginning.
Examples: /cExp /cBattle /cMission /cQuest /cItem /cLinkshell /cSocial /cOther

Upgrade + Enhance + Overhaul the /seacom interface to include instructions about usage, instructions about etiquette, and the ability to search for key words displayed in the /seacom entry of any character that is displaying a /seacom.

Allow a /seacom to be set for each individual category with a blank /seacom being designated as disabled for that category. In this way each player can enable and display a /seacom for Exp ~ Battles ~ Missions & Quests ~ Item ~ Linkshell ~ Looking for Friends ~ Others.

With the enhancement of the /seacom interface for quicker search results; create and allow for content tags to be attached to /seacom.
Example: a /seacom applied to the Exp category could be tagged with a level range bracket selection and desired vana'diel area.
Example: a /seacom applied to the Item category could be tagged with a item type selection, a crafting source selection, a battle content type selection, a level usage selection etc, a auction house inventory category selection.

Detailed Example: Utu grip could be entered with text into the display of a /seacom under the {Item} category and then be tagged with {Omen} {LVL99} {Battlefield} {Grip} {Reisenjima}

Detailed Example: Sublime sushi could be entered with text into the display of a /seacom under the {Item} category and then be tagged with {Cooking} {Food} {Synthesis} {Meals} {Seafood}.
Allow for up to seven tags to be attached to each active /seacom.

[Alhanelem]

1>Declare or create a server designated as a "Traditionalist" server.This is a silly idea. The rules should be enforced the same on all servers, not just on one special one. And few people would accept data tracking like you propose.

And while i don't support breaking the rules, I don't support blindly following developer intentions either. Nobody, including the developers, is perfect and the biggest mistakes can be made with the best of intentionsCOUGH BST COUG HACK HACK COUGH. Sorry had to clear my throat there.

And if we only did things 100% the way the developers intended, we wouldn't have things like speedrunning and entire games might not have been conceived. Breaking boundaries also opens eyes to new things.

[Zehira]

Even though, I don't post stuff on FFXIAH but I do read it from time to time. I think they are just trying...

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54515/who-all-got-the-banhammer-this-time/5/

[TullemoreAsuraFFXI]

The simple fact is there is a large segment of players that do not want to reside on a server where cheating is occuring. Since with it's current toolbox of STF capabilities SE is inept at removing cheating from their servers; THE single best option available is the solution i proposed. If any "smart guy" can come up with a realistic and better solution without the generic ~SE should stop all cheating~ reply, then by all means, educate us.

[Cdryik]

They can simply remove all their gils, stuff, and lock their exp gain to 0 (and thoses that are in a party with them) for months instead of using the ban hammer. So they can still play.

[Alhanelem]

The simple fact is there is a large segment of players that do not want to reside on a server where cheating is occuring. Since with it's current toolbox of STF capabilities SE is inept at removing cheating from their servers; THE single best option available is the solution i proposed. If any "smart guy" can come up with a realistic and better solution without the generic ~SE should stop all cheating~ reply, then by all means, educate us. No, the single best option is to improve the STF and give them more powers. We don't need special servers to get rule enforcement that should be done anyway.

And its really damn silly to try and call people who dislike cheaters "traditionalists." SE doesn't have to be perfect, but they certainly do have to put forth an effort. Everyone deserves a clean game, not just people who want to reside on a Big Brother server (which wouldn't be many.)

[Isola]

I really would love to see them start to actually enforce rules, just so the game can close and you'll finally be happy.

Then you can start complaining on the 14 forum instead.

[Alhanelem]

I really would love to see them start to actually enforce rules, just so the game can close and you'll finally be happy.

Then you can start complaining on the 14 forum instead.
You're just as wrong as that other guy, as the vast majority of players aren't cheaters like you like to believe.

[Zehira]

The rules do not work that way. You should blame yourself for using the popular third party tool called Windower.

FFXI would do better if the game runs on DirectX 9 or 11 then programmers can control the community.

[Isola]

I didn't say that. But when they start to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars per month, it doesn't matter how many vanilla players are left.

There doesn't need to be more than 10% "cheaters" to make a big enough impact that investors panic and bail. Ignoring the rules is the only thing keeping everything held together.

[Alhanelem]

I didn't say that. But when they start to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars per month, it doesn't matter how many vanilla players are left.

There doesn't need to be more than 10% "cheaters" to make a big enough impact that investors panic and bail. Ignoring the rules is the only thing keeping everything held together.
all that matters is profit. And this game would still be profitable with half its current players.

[Alhanelem]

The rules do not work that way. You should blame yourself for using the popular third party tool called Windower.

FFXI would do better if the game runs on DirectX 9 or 11 then programmers can control the community.The version of directx in use has essentialyl zero impact on cheating, and there's no other way it would "do better." because it wouldn't look/run better on a newer version of directx without redevelopment of assets themselves. i.e. a full HD remaster. But good luck with that.

Also, technically correct is not actually the best kind of correct, it on'y makes you sound silly when you know what people actually mean with what they say. Even most of the people who use windower (which isn't actually everyone like you suggest) are not using it to harm anyone else or gain anything that couldn't otherwise be gained normally. i.e. by poshacking, duping, etc. Those people are using it to offset deficiencies in the UI that SE either can't or won't fix. (Such as the fact that it isn't scalable and on today's screen resolutions the stock UI may be too small for some people to see clearly, for example- should those people with crappy vision be punished for using a tool to make UI elements easier to see when SE hasn't implemented any sort of accessibility features?)

In short, I reject your argument that "everyone' is cheating because "everyone" uses windower. Most people that use it are using it for quality of life stuff, not to dupe items/wreck the economy/warp around the world/become invulnerable/etc. They have no intention of harming yours or anyone else's game experience.

[TullemoreAsuraFFXI]

You see the issue is to allow add-on users to operate on servers where that is accommodated as long as those tools are not violating the coding of FFXI and to have a traditionalist server that would not allow for 3rd party tools to input commands, scripts or other ways of exploiting "assisted control".

[TullemoreAsuraFFXI]

FINAL FANTASY XI Config which is located in your FFXI game directory allows you to adjust resolutions and internally within game there are configuration settings for different screen sizes.

[Alhanelem]

You see the issue is to allow add-on users to operate on servers where that is accommodated as long as those tools are not violating the coding of FFXI and to have a traditionalist server that would not allow for 3rd party tools to input commands, scripts or other ways of exploiting "assisted control".
No. No special servers. Of any kind. Ever. Period.

One set of rules, for everyone, at all times. There is nothing "traditional" about not cheating. Most of us don't want to cheat already, and such a designation creates an undeserved air of superiority among people on it.

The real solution is either fix the game or punish the people who are actively harming it. I'd like to hear your case as to how someone using a tool to improve the UI is harming the game experience for anyone else (as opposed to actually hacking/duping/etc, which we all generally agree is actually cheating and should be punished).

One of the biggest problems with your idea is in order to actually implement it, SE would have to implement means of tracking its users which it isn't currently legally allowed to do. Otherwise, there is nothing to stop people from cheating on your "traditional" server except the the still-mostly-empty threat of bans. I can assure you, if it was within the realm of legality, we would already be being tracked. And without that, the only th ing about your silly server that makes it different is "we're enforcing the rules" vs "only enforcing the most egregious offenders"

The other problem with your idea is fracturing the community, the same reason why "classic" servers are a bad idea for this game as well. The community is not big enough to weather that kind of division.

[Alhanelem]

FINAL FANTASY XI Config which is located in your FFXI game directory allows you to adjust resolutions and internally within game there are configuration settings for different screen sizes.
Doesn't solve the problem. It mainly just makes the game look uglier. We need a scalable UI, not a pixelated one. Look at FFXIV. If you double the font size, it doesn't become pixelated. It just becomes bigger. Make UI elements bigger? just makes them bigger, not pixelated (in most cases). With external tools, you can actually make scalable HUD elements. We honestly shouldn't have to do that, and I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly. But if SE isn't willing (or can't) to fix things you can expect players will take them into their own hands. The worst part is, SE was working at one point on a new UI which would have at least some of the features players had been asking for, but it got cancelled.

In a few rare cases, we have gotten some such improvements YEARS after tool users had enjoyed them, like the ability to run the game in a window (where said tool got its name), unique icons for abilities (though not terribly useful without the New UI that was never completed)

[Zehira]

You see the issue is to allow add-on users to operate on servers where that is accommodated as long as those tools are not violating the coding of FFXI and to have a traditionalist server that would not allow for 3rd party tools to input commands, scripts or other ways of exploiting "assisted control".

Yes, it is very difficult to spend time in between video game and real life. On Asura, I'd say too late. People already have a lot of gil and those who need a lot of gil don't have time to earn. If you are not cheating you are not winning.

As long as SE care about players that still playing, by all means, we are not living in Nazi Germany.

[TullemoreAsuraFFXI]

It takes initiative. It takes correct perspective of what is marketable. Without using 3rd party apps, add-ons, all that garbage that these bot users say they will shutdown the game for being barred from using: I've bought basically everything that is a crafted produced item that i found to be of "importance" to how i currently wardrobe my jobs. Those believing that gil is the only medium to attaining desirable pixels are incredibly wrong and have fallen for the deceptions of those that would exploit this foolish perception.