Update the AH and Delivery Box System

[Isola]

The AH and Delivery box are one of the only things left from the very original game with no changes or updates at all.

It's time for QOL upgrades. It is unnecessary to confirm every single auction sale, and then accept and confirm every single sale AGAIN at the delivery box. There are dozens of improvements that could be made, including but not limited to, removing the triple confirmation and removing the delivery box from the steps in the process.

[Sirmarki]

And, I told you they would respond, our bet is complete, you get to delete your account now.

.. And they just restated what they originally said, and locked the thread.....
Time to turn the page...

In the words of a famous movie....

'Let it go, let it go'.

[Isola]

Not gonna happen, they didn't answer me, they answered something that was not what I asked. Not going to just let that slide.

"No" is fine. But not for fake reasons. And "no" to something that wasn't asked is not "fine" either.

Here's the response, and why it's wrong.


Okieeomi


We've checked with the development team and there are few reasons why this is difficult to implement:

Under the current system, even if a "Take All" button were added, it would not change the processing speed when receiving all of the items.
Additionally, one would not be able to stop the process once the "Take All" is activated until all items have been placed in the player's inventory. This could be very problematic in situations involving large number of items. For example if there were 50+ items, it would take a long time to load and would prevent the player from moving while this is being processed.

For these reasons, unfortunately the development team is not considering implementing a "Take All" feature for the Delivery Box.

This, is not even close to what I asked.

Difficult, not impossible. Bolded.
Current system, means it's possible to fix. Bolded.
ITEMS Bolded, multiple times. I said specifically, GIL. and VISIBLE GIL, aka, only the 8 you can see at a time.
Gil does not go into your inventory.
50+ ITEMS, I said "8 slots, with GIL only", as per my actual PICTURE.
Loading time, I. do. not. care. if it extends the loading time. The goal is to zone in, collect 8x gil and exit. with one button accept.

They responded to a question that doesn't exist "can I take ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING out of my delivery box at once"

What I ACTUALLY asked "if there are 8 slots visible with gil, can I take ONLY THOSE at once"

Until THAT question is answered, even with a no, I will keep asking... Or some form of UI/Interaction/overhaul is mentioned. That's acceptable too.

[Alhanelem]

See, I told you they don't answer already answered threads. They didn't answer your question, all they said was "we already answered this and bumping doesn't work, so we're locking it."

This is what you should have done like 2 pages ago in that thread.

As I've said before, I'm all for anything that can streamline or simplify processes. As long as less effort is required, and it's clear to the player what the consequences of an action are, things like being immobilized etc. aren't important- as long as we know what we're getting into, it's fine. But rather than having a button to automate taking stuff out of the mailbox, i'd rather just see all incoming gil consolidated into one slot. that would be both faster and fewer buttons. But that would be too good, so that will never happen....

I never liked having to "check stuff off the list," especially because it prevents you from selling stuff until you do it. Just replace it with a log that shows the last X transactions/sales statuses w/e and that would be so much simpler.

And finally, if they feel like they can't honor any specific request in here, they just need to know that the AH is one of the most antiquated game systems and if they can do ANYTHING to improve it, ANYTHING AT ALL, it really needs some love and attention.

(PSST: TEXT SEARCH! GIVE US TEXT SEARCH FOR ITEMS AT THE AH)! I WILL MAKE IT WORTH YOUR WHILE.)

[Isola]

Monday is the bumpday.

The AH and Delivery box are one of the only things left from the very original game with no changes or updates at all.

It's time for QOL upgrades. It is unnecessary to confirm every single auction sale, and then accept and confirm every single sale AGAIN at the delivery box. There are dozens of improvements that could be made, including but not limited to, removing the triple confirmation and removing the delivery box from the steps in the process.

[Alhanelem]

I 100% agree with your statement. But please, don't just bump threads. It doesn't change anything, it doesn't make anyone read it more except you and maybe me. The devs won't give it more consideration just because you're bumping it and if you keep doing it, it will just get locked again. Please consider following this advice.

I don't think there's a soul alive who doesn't want to see this system updated, but you need to approach this from the right angle if you want it to get traction.

[Typral]

Why dont you ask the producer in person, but I dont think he speaks English but he will be in Boston!

[Sirmarki]

I believe I just experienced Déjà vu.

[Alhanelem]

Apparently I wasn't cool enough =\

[Zyl]

Updating the AH system and the Gil Delivery system would be a really great QOL upgrade.

[Sirmarki]

Updating the AH system and the Gil Delivery system would be a really great QOL upgrade.

I wonder who's alt you are? Hmmm :D

[Alhanelem]

I wonder who's alt you are? Hmmm :D

I dunno, I don't think i've ever seen them or any of their 5 other posts ANYWHERE before. AT ALL. Nope. Never....

I mean, this doesn't really need fake support. I'm pretty confident everyone would like to see improvements in this area. This is more about the lack of people who still come here these days methinks lol.

Personally, I would pay money to be able to search the AH in-game, rather than have to sift through categories.

[Ressa]

Plus one for upgrading the AH system from the ground up, including the delivery box.

[Alhanelem]

Plus one for upgrading the AH system from the ground up, including the delivery box.
You're not fooling us. :p
I'd probably be more convinced if it wasn't the same server. :cool:

[Isola]

I ain't gotta fool no one, not that it would be hard to do. I just gotta bump on monday

[Isola]

Updating the AH and delivery box system would be a great (and small, easy) upgrade to quality of life. How about a word on it.

Correction, a word on what I asked specifically, not the version you chose to answer that no one asked.

[Sirmarki]

Updating the AH and delivery box system would be a great (and small, easy) upgrade to quality of life. How about a word on it.

Seeing as SE answered AND closed that thread. The word (quite literately) was...

NO

[Isola]

For the like, 10th time, you're wrong.
I understand that you're illiterate, but go argue with someone else who doesn't know you're illiterate.


They responded to a question that doesn't exist "can I take ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING out of my delivery box at once"

What I ACTUALLY asked "if there are 8 slots visible with gil, can I take ONLY THOSE at once"

Until THAT question is answered, even with a no, I will keep asking.

[Alhanelem]

I ain't gotta fool no one, not that it would be hard to do. I just gotta bump on mondayI'm pretty sure SE already explained to you that repeatedly bumping threads isn't the way to get your point across. I mean seriously, given the amount of activity here, you really don't need to do anything at all. A month from now your thread will still be on the front page.

[Dzspdref]

Plus the fact this thread is under the totally wrong topic headline.
"ITEMS & CRAFTING" is not about the Delivery System, but for mistakes or errors or bugs on ITEMS, or about making or synthing such items, not how you send, receive, or get paid for them.
Ergo, since it doesn't bear weight on the topic of the thread lines, they will think you're too stubbornly illiterate to know how to read to give you any credence of recognition, which is what you do to all of the rest of us all the time.
How's it feel to be told you're illiterate yourself?
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And here is how to solve your dilemma in a few easy CORRECT steps:
1] Go learn the programming skills needed to make corrections for this game at the SE programming headquarters.
2] Apply for the job of FFXI Game development team, and get hired.
3] Spend the next 2 years realizing this would be a total complete overhaul of the underlying "Delivery System", with coding limitations. Or even longer....
4] Realize you were a stubborn git and admit the extra few keystrokes and ~30 seconds wasn't actually so bad.
(Sadly you'll never get to #4, because you'll never get to #1, of which I already have, and I DO understand the programming behind the game enough to know it isn't possible at this time.)
So until you become proficient enough in the actual programming skills, then take it from someone who is: the answer is "no".
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Oh wait, you already got that answer from others with such skills... more than once.... and they also said "No".
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Proof: You ARE the Biggest Git; both stubborn and illiterate. Goodbye!

[Sirmarki]

For the like, 10th time, you're wrong.
I understand that you're illiterate, but go argue with someone else who doesn't know you're illiterate.

Who are you talking to? Because you've quoted your own comment.

[Soraii]

Update the AH and the Delivery Box systems !

[Alhanelem]

I don't understand why you insist on taking a good idea and sabotaging your own efforts by the use of sock-puppeting.

[Zehira]

Reminded me of Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

"Don't care how... I want it now" meme

Edit: I doubt they are going to do anything to change the AH. DirectX 8 is old. API is old. The developers who created the AH probably don't work there anymore.

[Zehira]

https://i.imgur.com/UD3eLS8.png

FFXI uses DirectPlay to run.

https://i.imgur.com/RSWshWt.png

The difference between DirectX 8.1 and 9 is actually bigger than you might think because DirectX 9 was updated over a long period of time after it's first release - from 2002 to 2010 I think. A lot of new features and bug fixes have come in during that time.

While FFXI only supports DirectX 8.1, the dev team only can able to use the outdated features that are no longer supported by Microsoft. What you want is they need to rewrite this whole engine and move it to DirectX 9 or even better DirectX 11.

Well, that's why I said FFXI would do better if this game runs on DirectX 9 or 11. :cool:

Unsure of it? I suggest you to start a discussion with the creator of FFXIAH who knew better than I do.

Why not ask this in the Q&A stuff thread? :)

[Alhanelem]

The difference between DirectX 8.1 and 9 is actually bigger than you might think because DirectX 9 was updated over a long period of time after it's first release - from 2002 to 2010 I think. A lot of new features and bug fixes have come in during that time.There are many, many versions of DirectX 9. in fact it is often customized for each game, which is why you often see/saw new games installing directX even though it was already installed.Games that came out earlier in the DX9 lifespan don't use many of the calls that later games would use, because they don't exist in the specific DX9 revision the game was built on. Earlier versions of DX9 are far less dissimilar to previous versions than the last versions. DX10 and beyond were all far more substantial revisions.

That being said I'm not sure what any of this has to do with this thread. It seems really random given the rest of the thread.

[Zehira]

Try free-to-play Rebirth Fantasy Online that runs off DirectX 8 on steam. Let us know if they have trade, delivery, auction, etc...

That's another MMO game I currently know that uses DirectX 8.

First EverQuest already got updated to DirectX 9c so I can't tell but again this game was made for the PS2 and was still supporting the PS2 version because of Japanese players. Today, programmers probably don't remember much of the old code. For reason, they rather not bother with it just for one person.

[Zehira]

Update: Some people from FFXIAH have good points about the game and programming languages are so old. This thread is very difficult to discuss due to the dev team's unwilling to update the AH and delivery box. This is in no way the fault of the community team.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54591/new-ffxi-expansion-crowdfund-idea/2/

By all means, feel free to bump this thread you want. I am not here to pick on the OP. :cool:

[Alhanelem]

Update: Some people from FFXIAH have good points about the game and programming languages are so old. This thread is very difficult to discuss due to the dev team's unwilling to update the AH and delivery box. This is in no way the fault of the community team.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54591/new-ffxi-expansion-crowdfund-idea/2/

By all means, feel free to bump this thread you want. I am not here to pick on the OP. :cool:I mean, that's great and all, but what's the point? the dev/community teams don't normally spend time on third party forums.

Also, I'm not specifically here to pick on anyone either. I want to help the OP promote their idea. It isn't my fault they choose to ignore my advice about how properly to communicate their idas and show support. (i.e. trying to make fake support with sock puppet accounts doesn't work. Bumping the thread periodically, without adding anything new to the discussion, in a forum index that otherwise hardly ever moves doesn't work either.) I advised them to start a new thread long, long ago and they only did so when the first thread was closed, for reasons that I already explained (they only respond to a given suggestion thread once after reporting to the dev team).

[Zehira]

I mean, that's great and all, but what's the point? the dev/community teams don't normally spend time on third party forums.

Third party forums have been around LONG before this official forums was created. It's the way to get more information out there than this here.

PS2 limitations and DirectX limitations. If this thread goes nowhere then most of us just ignore it and carry on.


Greetings and salutations!

We've checked with the development team and there are few reasons why this is difficult to implement:

Under the current system, even if a "Take All" button were added, it would not change the processing speed when receiving all of the items.
Additionally, one would not be able to stop the process once the "Take All" is activated until all items have been placed in the player's inventory. This could be very problematic in situations involving large number of items. For example if there were 50+ items, it would take a long time to load and would prevent the player from moving while this is being processed.

For these reasons, unfortunately the development team is not considering implementing a "Take All" feature for the Delivery Box.

If you don't address these two points then I doubt you will get an answer from them. All the OP wants is if all gil are in all the boxes then Take All is enabled. It's just a very silly feature in my opinion.

[Soraii]

I did address their incorrect response. And highlighted why it was completely wrong. It's on page one. I even created a picture for the people who are illiterate.

Okieeomi


We've checked with the development team and there are few reasons why this is difficult to implement:

Under the current system, even if a "Take All" button were added, it would not change the processing speed when receiving all of the items.
Additionally, one would not be able to stop the process once the "Take All" is activated until all items have been placed in the player's inventory. This could be very problematic in situations involving large number of items. For example if there were 50+ items, it would take a long time to load and would prevent the player from moving while this is being processed.

For these reasons, unfortunately the development team is not considering implementing a "Take All" feature for the Delivery Box.
This, is not even close to what I asked.

They responded to a question that doesn't exist "can I take ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING out of my delivery box at once"

What I ACTUALLY asked "if there are 8 slots visible with gil, can I take ONLY THOSE at once"
https://i.imgur.com/0pWaieC.png

[Sirmarki]

I even created a picture for the people who are illiterate.

I'm pretty sure they knew what you meant, and they said no.......

[Soraii]

They clearly didn't because their response was about loading times and using Dboxes as storage for ITEMS and how removing them all at once would cause issues.

What I asked for ignores ITEMS and removes all EIGHT slots of GIL IF and only IF they happen to be 8 slots of GIL. To save the ridiculousness of hitting right, take, and confirm 24 times

When I have 200 sales in a day, that means it takes about 630+ button presses to get my gil. I've outlined 3 easy solutions to the problem, the easiest one being the one with a take all button. It's not the best option, but the easiest to implement.

1- Removing confirmation would remove 200 button presses, but they won't do that because "accidents"

2- Removing the take option and sending gil straight to the mog garden repository would be the best option, but the most work.

3- Adding a button that simply empties the VISIBLE box IF all 8 are sales, is quick, easy and an incredible QOL upgrade. It doesn't increase loading times. It doesn't cause inventory issues because again NO ITEMS. and it's completely optional. You can still do it the slow way if you feel compelled to check every numbered box for amounts.

An answer of "no" is fine. But an answer to THIS question is what is required. NOT: Can I take literally every piece of equipment and gil out of my delivery box at once. I understand they're lazy and understaffed making it difficult. but I've had my AH literally FREEZE twice. That required GM calls to fix. You know why it froze? Dbox was too full from AH sales. That should never be an issue.

[Alhanelem]

I did address their incorrect response. And highlighted why it was completely wrong. It's on page one. I even created a picture for the people who are illiterate.

This, is not even close to what I asked.

They responded to a question that doesn't exist "can I take ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING out of my delivery box at once"

What I ACTUALLY asked "if there are 8 slots visible with gil, can I take ONLY THOSE at once"
https://i.imgur.com/0pWaieC.pngAnd the problem here is that in their internal system, there is no difference between taking items that are gil and items that are not gil, becuase that's how it was designed.



When I have 200 sales in a day, that means it takes about 630+ button presses to get my gil. And the problem here is that even though I agree they don't have a great design here, this is basically a problem that only you, and possibly a few people who aren't bothered enough to come on the forums and discuss, have.



That should never be an issue. And for the 99.9% of us who don't live in front of the auction house windows, it never is. Now i'm somewhat close to the opposite end of the spectrum, rarely having more than a handful of items backlogged on the delivery box, because I have 1 mule and still rarely use it (most of the time it's actually inactive and I'm not paying for it) But even people I know who spend considerably more time than me wheeling and dealing I've never heard them complain about this. Personally, I'd rather play the game than look at the AH list all day and play Commerce Simulator, but to each their own. When they built the AH system, they were probably not ever expecting most users to send themselves so much stuff (or sell so many items without collecting their payments in between), so they set the dbox limit at a point they figured would be unlikely to ever be hit. And while a few people do, for most of us, their instincts were right on the money.

[TullemoreAsuraFFXI]

Interface overhaul to an evolved player supplied warehousing market. No moghouse/nomad moogle interaction would be necessary or waits with what I've proposed. Yet those that cling to the Merc culture, market manipulations and advantages gained through micro-transactions berate bringing legitimacy to supply and demand within server economics.

[Soraii]

Update the AH and Delivery Box System

[Sirmarki]

Update the AH and Delivery Box System

I think they have more pressing issues at the moment...

[Alhanelem]

I think they have more pressing issues at the moment...
He will never learn how repeatedly bumping a thread is counterproductive to his desires.

[Dzspdref]

An answer of "no" is fine. But an answer to THIS question is what is required. NOT: Can I take literally every piece of equipment and gil out of my delivery box at once. I understand they're lazy and understaffed making it difficult. but I've had my AH literally FREEZE twice. That required GM calls to fix. You know why it froze? Dbox was too full from AH sales. That should never be an issue.

It NEVER is an issue, for all NORMAL REGULAR people that do not sit in front of the delivery box for aeons on end.
So when You happen to notice the SEVEN items are sold out of your delivery box when you refilled the AH you sat there and YOU were lazy to empty gil? Then take the 30 seconds to walk to Moghouse (or nomad Moogle depending on where you're camping the AH - Nashmau is only 4 seconds away), and take out the 7~14 stacks of gil.
So instead of calling the SE team lazy and understaffed (which in my opinion would make the people working harder to make the game more usable and not break down, not lazy), I am calling YOU out on being too lazy and stubborn. I think spending ~30 seconds to go empty the delivery box after refilling it 4~5 times to save you 15~30 minutes later waiting for a fix from a problem you caused originally is quite a nice bargain.

You have been told MORE THAN ONCE by GM that the DBox is TOO FULL and (YOU) caused the problem by not emptying it. YOU did that. Did you not learn that lesson the first 3 or 4 times? Again that's on YOU being lazy and stubborn.
You have been told by SE Staff (not lazy, but understaffed working on more pressing matters), that it is not possible. Period. And YOU are too lazy to take "No" for an answer. So go make your own game and make that an option. You also been told by people "in the know" of programming that it is not possible, but your lack of programming knowledge and ignorance and "Oh I want my way or i shall cry-baby complain" even more makes you look even MORE stupid than we know you already are.
Please learn; it cannot and WILL not be done. Get over it. Stop creating your own problems and acting like a stubborn git by having others try to fix the problems you are making for yourself since YOU are too lazy to stop making those problems.
Oh are you using a bot 3rd party program to keep refilling and selling things on AH? THAT would be another problem, and also another source of your problems YOU can alleviate by NOT USING it.
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There, all your problems have been answered to the fullest. You may not LIKE the answers, and do not want to believe they ARE the only answers, but again that is ON YOU and your laziness and stubbornness.
Please do us all a favor. Stop and go learn. Heck even find a friend that knows computer programming (you have a friend? I think not...) that can teach you how it is not possible. Then MAYBE you'll just barely understand.
(Makes me think you be having one less friend after that too.)

[Alhanelem]

As irritating as extra button presses can be, as has been said, the OP is an edge case of how many piles of gil one could be receiving at once. It's unfair to say it's just him of course, but for 99.99% of us this is a minor inconvenience at worst. It would be nice of them to make updates, but it's going to take a lot more than one person complaining about a very unique situation to get them to act on something that is both difficult to change and affects so few people. There's a million ways they can make the AH system better, but comparatively speaking, simplifying button inputs (that you can basically automate yourself with a keyboard macro) is very low on the priority list when you factor how difficult it is for them to do so.

You must have 9999999999 gil, probably on multiple characters, by now, why do you even bother lol. You won the AH game already, they should roll the credits and then you can find a new economy to conquer.

[Sirmarki]

You must have 9999999999 gil, probably on multiple characters, by now, why do you even bother lol. You won the AH game already, they should roll the credits and then you can find a new economy to conquer.

I could be wrong, but I think his characters have been removed (again)? The profile picture has vanished.

[Alhanelem]

I could be wrong, but I think his characters have been removed (again)? The profile picture has vanished.
I noticed that, and you might be right.

[Zehira]

I don't know the reason for wanting to get banned but everyone have fun and be safe.