RMT everywhere

[Coffeegood]

Submitted 2 large special task force reports and seems to be doing nothing to the speed hacking Gil farmers in Ceizak, Foret de henetiel, and The boyhada tree, etc, all good old zones are tainted with 20+ RMT hacking blatantly and nothing seems to counter these people except us players submitting a report. Something needs to be done.

[Sirmarki]

If only it was like this again... The good old days..

https://youtu.be/xyQ_dsgHJHA?t=165

[Coffeegood]

ya, :/ Im following these RMT what they do is go out and farm zones then warp back to respected Sparks npc, in adoulin use /target < suspicious name> and they are Position warped inside walls behind where people normally cannot see them to inflate the economy and benefeit the rule breaker gil buyers, please be pro active if you see activity! http://support.na.square-enix.com/contacttop.php?id=20&la=1&_ga=2.160406589.1876612305.1552185903-611727018.1543265409

[Sirmarki]

ya, :/ Im following these RMT what they do is go out and farm zones then warp back to respected Sparks npc, in adoulin use /target < suspicious name> and they are Position warped inside walls behind where people normally cannot see them to inflate the economy and benefeit the rule breaker gil buyers, please be pro active if you see activity! http://support.na.square-enix.com/contacttop.php?id=20&la=1&_ga=2.160406589.1876612305.1552185903-611727018.1543265409

I've seen them before, around 20 of them in a group. Doing exactly what you say, keyboard smashed names, and I've seen a whole bunch of them 'stuck in the wall'.

[Neoradish]

It's horrible. Yesterday during GainExp there were 40+ DRG bots with names like Deejasdfs camping nearly every single spot with mobs in Ceziak and Yahse. It was actually quite difficult to find mobs to kill in those areas. They have a specific running pattern and will alternate between 2 intersections on the map, killing each mob in those spots over and over. An easy solution to end this behavior, without even having to investigate or ban anyone, would be to make some of the combat RoE objectives 1 time only, since they are repeatable they are being spark farmed.

[Minamikun]

Everywhere!
https://vimeo.com/309247740
https://vimeo.com/308152116
https://vimeo.com/317729074
https://vimeo.com/311010838
https://vimeo.com/309248085

[Coffeegood]

Everywhere!
https://vimeo.com/309247740
https://vimeo.com/308152116
https://vimeo.com/317729074
https://vimeo.com/311010838
https://vimeo.com/309248085

Notice this happening but can only hope something will be done!
Gilsellers are crafty but only exist because of the lack of oversight in the game now. Glad you have video of what was happening lol

[Coffeegood]

https://i.imgur.com/lDTRSu3.jpg quick auto reply too, but doesn't change the fact can't get any Fields of Valor quests done!

[Krashport]

hmm if they're paying a sub do you think said company is going to remove them...

[Sirmarki]

HTFC+1? play the game how you want to solo or with friends or the latter, don't worry about others it does not affect you FO! ^^b

I think you'll find that it does affect everyone.

The OP is about RMT, money generated from RMT in the real world, lets say, doesn't go to good and honest causes.

There is also the game disruption aspect of it all, too.

[Neoradish]

Uh... because it does affect me? And probably others?
Let's say you wanted to farm some bomb coals to help finish your escutcheon - oh wait, you're not a bot? Sorry, you can't do that, ever! There is literally not 1 single second in the day you could ever do that.

[Alhanelem]

https://i.imgur.com/lDTRSu3.jpg quick auto reply too, but doesn't change the fact can't get any Fields of Valor quests done!
These auto replies are mainly because you're supposed to report these to the STF not the GMs.

I also haven't played *any* game where you can report a bot and have them get banned on the spot, so no matter what they do, you're not going to get your fields of valor quests done that day.

[Sirmarki]

These auto replies are mainly because you're supposed to report these to the STF not the GMs.

Fair enough, if it's a one player you have witnessed. However, I witnessed 21 RMT keyboard smashed names (I counted), POS hacking, and entering Ceizak Battlegrounds yesterday. Am I expected to fill out the form 21 times?

https://i.imgur.com/Povu5Mr.jpg

[Neoradish]

Yes, you need to report each of them to the STF. Make sure to put the RoE objective Report to STF: Bots on first, you'll get a permanent 1% CP increase for finishing it

[Minamikun]

You don’t need to report each of them. You can report one report with comma separated 21 character name.

[Sirmarki]

You don’t need to report each of them. You can report one report with comma separated 21 character name.

That would have been particularly difficult given the names are just a string of random characters, which each player "stuck" in each other overwriting the names. They were there for around 5 seconds, using some kind of positioning warping/manipulating tool.
There isn't enough time to capture all of the names, before they vanish.

[Isola]

Well, the trick for that is look at one. wait till they go where ever they are botting, then you can see all the anons in that zone are bots. If you're anon you're a bot. especially if its in an adoulin zone.

You could make a failed argument that anon existed 10 years ago to hide from getting spammed with party invites but that shit doesn't exist anymore. if you're anon you're doing something shady.

[Alhanelem]

Yes, you need to report each of them to the STF. Make sure to put the RoE objective Report to STF: Bots on first, you'll get a permanent 1% CP increase for finishing it
I giggled. :p

[Alhanelem]

Well, the trick for that is look at one. wait till they go where ever they are botting, then you can see all the anons in that zone are bots. If you're anon you're a bot. especially if its in an adoulin zone.

You could make a failed argument that anon existed 10 years ago to hide from getting spammed with party invites but that shit doesn't exist anymore. if you're anon you're doing something shady.

They should seriously remove the anon mode. From the beginning it should simply have been a set of options to block party invites, trade requests, and/or tells like every other game has. Most people don't use it anymore as those problems aren't as common as they once were anyway.

[Nyarlko]

I use anon to hide the fact that a few of my mules have underleveled subs. Don't take that away from me! T_T
No worries about being inflicted with them in groups, btw. They never leave town/garden. lol

[Coffeegood]

You don’t need to report each of them. You can report one report with comma separated 21 character name.

Theres not enough room in the names section for more than 8'ish people and these RMT are flooding zones, need more game staff to find solutions that's all there is to it.

[Coffeegood]

Now we have room to report the full alliances of rmt in zone got 18 names in np! Ty STF staff.

[TullemoreAsuraFFXI]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/55532-Scourge-of-RMT?highlight=Scourge+RMT <- One of many posts i've denounced RMT in.

The "Bots" automated farming ToS violations are not necessarily RMT, they're just labeled RMT b/c the logical thought process would have you believe that no one with any respect for their community, dignity or honor would be utilizing illicit behavior that violates terms of service. It is very likely that a large segment of accounts that violate ToS are also involved in the RMT market. Third party programs and add-ons need to be regulated, discovered, investigated; and approved or banned. Accounts using add-ons or third party programs not approved by Square Enix officially must be banned to combat the violations that break ToS. I was made aware recently of a user attempting to control twelve accounts on their own to clear waves 1, 2 and 3 of a Dynamis {D} entry. What do you expect these accounts to be doing at any given moment of a day? There isn't any legitimate way for one human to control twelve accounts through manual interface for content with the requirements of Dynamis {D}. Deductive reasoning will lead you to the fact that terms of service was broken and likely continues to be broken at all times through the use of third party programs and automated scripting commands. This creates an environment of nuclear arms proliferation where cheaters are continuously more blatant, more glutenous, more dishonorable, and more detrimental to the community every day.


I SAY TO SQUARE ENIX : BAN THE CHEATERS !

[Zehira]

Banhammers

If the cheaters (automated farming) aren't RMT, I'd suggest SE to put them in jail just to remind them that cheating isn't okay.

For years, Asurans haven't got any help from GMs at all. Therefore, Asura is currently protected until SE explains otherwise.

Of course, SE knew many loyal subscribers are using their third party programs and nothing SE can do about it. Just need to stop the bad habits first.

[Coffeegood]

https://i.gyazo.com/5a9209f7fb66c4ba0f89343e167e5a54.mp4

Good luck doing coalitions on Bismark the zones are flooded with blatant hackers that warp back and forth selling sparks behind walls. Here's the RMT FOR DUMMIES play by play.
1. They Level up alliance of mule bots.
https://i.imgur.com/r2qh96I.png
https://i.imgur.com/d01G9SF.png
2. They set up bots with minimal sparks gear and bot RoE's and FoV's in many locations around Adoulin and a few other regions..
https://media.giphy.com/media/ZcusT8Q9fWCOtrr8P4/giphy.gif
3. They Warp back to different Sparks NPCs in Cities to auto vendor items from sparks points and Unity. Even warping behind walls to try to remain hidden.
https://i.imgur.com/ZnbDmkP.png
https://i.imgur.com/D8WCtg0.png
https://i.imgur.com/e2Q0frp.png
https://i.imgur.com/AbFPQPq.png
https://i.imgur.com/TVG7MAe.png
4. Special Task force report and try to get a GM to assist because can't do coalition missions i.e. farming chapuli etc in zones flooded with RMT.
https://i.imgur.com/n8bO3WN.png
https://i.imgur.com/YpLqYho.png
Give up and just accept RMT as part of Square Enix's "Thank You" for your years of dedication.

[BST]

Just ignore it and carry on, they will never go away unless of course people stop buying currency, which they obviously can't help themselves.
I would much rather see the buyers banned, they are far worse than the sellers, much worse.

[Isola]

If you ban the buyers, you lose the sellers. Friends of buyers quit. Mercs can't merc. and now you've lost half the population. Game can't afford to pay for its own servers anymore.

You get to deal with the minor annoyance or not play. no grey area.

[Alhanelem]

If you ban the buyers, you lose the sellers. Friends of buyers quit. Mercs can't merc. and now you've lost half the population. Game can't afford to pay for its own servers anymore.

You get to deal with the minor annoyance or not play. no grey area.
Yeah, I don't accept your supposition that "half the players" buy or are good friends with people who buy.

Your slippery slope argument doesn't fly with me.

[Isola]

It's already happened. That's part of why we're as low as we are. You think salvage bans didn't take out friends who didn't do anything?

[Alhanelem]

It's already happened. That's part of why we're as low as we are. You think salvage bans didn't take out friends who didn't do anything?It never happened. Your comments are pure conjecture with no data or evidence. You're just making up reasons why populations declined and injecting your personal feelings bout the RMT predicament into them. There are many factors into the game's decline, despite many people's attempts to peg it all on one thing, a certain patch or peice of content (If I had to pick the biggest factor, I'd say other more modern MMOs arriving that were easier for people with less time on their hands to play as FFXI's playerbase aged. I started playing in college, and when I got out, I had to work a lot more hours and couldn't play as much- though I kept playing for several years after before taking an extended break) Other factors may include percieved contempt toward the NA community on SE's part (i.e. ignoring their concerns and focusing on JP feedback), content like Abyssea and to a lesser extent voidwatch creating a feeling of power that would never be matched again for years outside of that content, and a stagnant raid scene, with no true raids since CoP Dynamis for years and years). the TL;DR is banning RMT and gil buyers, I believe, is near the bottom of this list of factors.

I think I speak for most people when I say If I found out a friend was buying gil and/or cheating and got banned, I'd be happy and upset that I didn't find out sooner and break off that friendship. This is also conjecture but frankly I'd put a lot more money on mine than yours. Most players do not condone RMT, the brand of cheating it essentially is, nor the people who buy into it, and do not want to knowingly associate with people who do it.

[Sirmarki]

If you ban the buyers, you lose the sellers. Friends of buyers quit. Mercs can't merc. and now you've lost half the population. Game can't afford to pay for its own servers anymore.

You get to deal with the minor annoyance or not play. no grey area.

I cancelled my sub a week and a half ago due to RMT, bots, toxic yells, lack of content yells and mercs/cheats, that and not being able to ignore /blist them (due to the 100 cap).
I'll dabble in and out of the forums and news, to see if any action is taken and if it isn't - I won't return.
Ten or so people I know have quit over the last month due to the above reasons.

[Alhanelem]

I cancelled my sub a week and a half ago due to RMT, bots, toxic yells, lack of content yells and mercs/cheats, that and not being able to ignore /blist them (due to the 100 cap).
I'll dabble in and out of the forums and news, to see if any action is taken and if it isn't - I won't return.
Ten or so people I know have quit over the last month due to the above reasons.
More anecdotal evidence that people hate RMT more than they hate SE for banning cheaters.

Sirmark, you should just transfer to shiva, RMT presence is very light here, you can actually do things in the game. What good is a big population if it has big RMT? :)

[Coffeegood]

https://i.imgur.com/0Z5ZFe4.png

sent report in, its funny how /target player can find accounts behind walls

[Isola]

Unless you're going to pay hundreds of subs per month to make up for those that they would ban, it just isn't gonna happen.

They are getting tens of thousands of dollars from these guys. Your $13 is of absolutely zero concern by comparison.

[Alhanelem]

Unless you're going to pay hundreds of subs per month to make up for those that they would ban, it just isn't gonna happen.

They are getting tens of thousands of dollars from these guys. Your $13 is of absolutely zero concern by comparison.
Should they keep the game running for the "free money" when the game population is 100% RMT bots?

Here's what will really happen:

-More honest players will quit due to RMT getting in the way of their enjoyment (along with the cheaters).
-Eventually the cheaters get bored and quit, probably because of the lack of tolerant people to play with
-RMT population relative to actual population getsto a critical mass
-Lacking customers, RMT cancel their accounts to find another game to ruin.
-Game makes no money and a funeral is held at Shibuya Station (they recently held a funeral there for the end of Tokyo's pager service), followed by the end of service.

It is more than just one or two people getting fed up over RMT, if they don't act, they may well not make it to the 20th anniversary.

Frankly I think my doomsday scenario is probably more accurate than yours.

[Isola]

You would have to literally slap the crackpipe out of their hand to get "honest" players to quit. They can't quit.

Despite all lack of actual job balance, the players are perfectly balanced. Addicts can't quit. Whiners won't quit. RMT keep pumping up numbers so the game can't shut down. Perfection.

[Zehira]

sent report in, its funny how /target player can find accounts behind walls

RMTs are like cockroaches in your house, no matter how many times you kill them, they always will come back. :p

I don't think you should post that on the digest thread. I know the dev team don't care but shall you continue spamming more RMT/BOT related summaries there? Japanese players seem gave up after they got in a serious argument because someone was spamming too much negative images on their weekly dev threads.

「スペシャルタスクフォース」サブフォーラムの新設のお願い (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/55988-%E3%80%8C%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9A%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AF%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%80%8D%E3%82%B5%E3%83%96%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%83%A0%E3%81%AE%E6%96%B0%E8%A8%AD%E3%81%AE%E3%81%8A%E9%A1%98%E3%81%84)

Dev Tracker履歴への一般ユーザーによる返信不可設定について (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/55980-Dev-Tracker%E5%B1%A5%E6%AD%B4%E3%81%B8%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%88%AC%E3%83%A6%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B6%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AB%E3%82%88%E3%82%8B%E8%BF%94%E4%BF%A1%E4%B8%8D%E5%8F%AF%E8%A8%AD%E5%AE%9A%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6)

Tarutaru might be very cute but they are very serious. I feel sorry for them.

[Alhanelem]

You would have to literally slap the crackpipe out of their hand to get "honest" players to quit. They can't quit.


They can, and they are.

(but I agree, no good to poop on the dev threads, the devs themselves are trying to work on a game, it's the support staff that are supposed to handle cheating/RMT/etc.. Keep it in seperate threads like here)

[Haldarn]

Yeah, I don't accept your supposition that "half the players" buy or are good friends with people who buy.

Your slippery slope argument doesn't fly with me.

Even on Shiva. It came to light that most players I know that still play do so by virtue of having bought gil or use bots to automate grind. They're not selfish or nasty or anything - they've offered to help me on many occasions. The justification seems to be that it's harming no-one because the game is in its twilight and most players are complicit anyhow. Even if you don't do the above, have you sold Dynamis-Divergence pieces for hundreds of thousands on the AH? Have you played with any of those players without knowing their provenance, or players they've helped get their gear/job mastery? It's virtually unavoidable.

I've gone back to playing solo, and I don't do much now because of that.

[Alhanelem]

Even on Shiva. It came to light that most players I know that still play do so by virtue of having bought gil or use bots to automate grind. They're not selfish or nasty or anything - they've offered to help me on many occasions. The justification seems to be that it's harming no-one because the game is in its twilight and most players are complicit anyhow. Even if you don't do the above, have you sold Dynamis-Divergence pieces for hundreds of thousands on the AH? Have you played with any of those players without knowing their provenance, or players they've helped get their gear/job mastery? It's virtually unavoidable.

I've gone back to playing solo, and I don't do much now because of that.
Yeah no, I don't believe it. Many of the people in my LS regularly complain whenever RMT yells appear (which isn't that often over here).

"Game in its twilight" is not an excuse to be a cheatin' #&*^$. I will indeed disavow any relationships I have with anyone I discover to be buying. I've done it before and I will do it again. My relic etc was entirely generated with earned gil and items, and the vast majority of it by myself solo. It's easy enough to generate gil in the game today that I can't really even imagine wanting to buy it.

[Seish]

SE's stance on buyers isn't the one time buyer. Or those that buy in small amounts. It's the ones that buy a ton for projects. Those that buy themselves are not so much the problem--though it accelerates it. Who is, however, are those that sell the product to them. Because its getting to the point that RMT's are starting to corner in the smaller services, the modes of production and can corner services and goods. That's not good for anyone at all. What we shouldn't do is alienate those that buy per se, we should discourage it and explain why. What we need to fix is this culture of blackballing people that report RMT. It's not good for anyone to discourage players from reporting a huge issue.

[Alhanelem]

SE's stance on buyers isn't the one time buyer. Or those that buy in small amounts. It's the ones that buy a ton for projects. Those that buy themselves are not so much the problem--though it accelerates it. Who is, however, are those that sell the product to them. Because its getting to the point that RMT's are starting to corner in the smaller services, the modes of production and can corner services and goods. That's not good for anyone at all. What we shouldn't do is alienate those that buy per se, we should discourage it and explain why. What we need to fix is this culture of blackballing people that report RMT. It's not good for anyone to discourage players from reporting a huge issue.
We absolutely should alienate them. We need these people to understand that buying will come at a cost even if SE doesn't pick up on them and ban them.

[Mikah]

lul

ten characters

[Alhanelem]

Sorry, but I'm just not going to stand behind the argument that "buying once" is okay. Buying even once is an endorsement of the behavior, and so is turning a blind eye to the people "buying once."

[Mikah]

Every (internet) game in existence has pay to win. Pay for more tries. Pay for more lives. Pay to skip this thing. Pay to skip this grind.

That's all it is. It will never not exist.

If you want to play games where people can't/don't buy the win stick to single player games. If there is any possible way to interact with another player, smart people are going to use money to get ahead. Every time. Always. Forever. And to be totally honest, they couldn't care less how you feel about it.

[Alhanelem]

Every (internet) game in existence has pay to win. Pay for more tries. Pay for more lives. Pay to skip this thing. Pay to skip this grind.

That's all it is. It will never not exist.

If you want to play games where people can't/don't buy the win stick to single player games. If there is any possible way to interact with another player, smart people are going to use money to get ahead. Every time. Always. Forever. And to be totally honest, they couldn't care less how you feel about it.


I've never played a paid retail game that let me just buy extra lives etc. The game I played that came closes to that is Bravely Default, but that's about the only time I've ever seen it.

And again, the problem with your argument is this is an MMO, and unlike your unspecified games that let you buy your way through the game, this MMO has rules against this sort of thing and those rules are being broken. Unless and until SE adds its own officially sanctioned pay to win mechanics, anyone buying gil will and should be treated as cheaters. You are tacitly endorsing cheating (that is, explicitly breaking the rules set forth here. You may have rolled over and accepted this but I won't and neither should anyone else.

Again: Using sanctioned ingame mechanics is different from breaking the rules with outside the game mechanics. I don't like those either, but it's not breaking the rules to use a built in feature of the game in a manner approved by the people who made it.

[Seish]

I've never played a paid retail game that let me just buy extra lives etc. The game I played that came closes to that is Bravely Default, but that's about the only time I've ever seen it.

And again, the problem with your argument is this is an MMO, and unlike your unspecified games that let you buy your way through the game, this MMO has rules against this sort of thing and those rules are being broken. Unless and until SE adds its own officially sanctioned pay to win mechanics, anyone buying gil will and should be treated as cheaters. You are tacitly endorsing cheating (that is, explicitly breaking the rules set forth here. You may have rolled over and accepted this but I won't and neither should anyone else.

Again: Using sanctioned ingame mechanics is different from breaking the rules with outside the game mechanics. I don't like those either, but it's not breaking the rules to use a built in feature of the game in a manner approved by the people who made it.

There is truth here.

[Stompa]

Sorry, but I'm just not going to stand behind the argument that "buying once" is okay. Buying even once is an endorsement of the behavior, and so is turning a blind eye to the people "buying once."

I totally agree with you.

Buying Gil destroys the Role Playing Game RPG part of MMORPG.

When I joined FFXI in 2004, I was arriving from a background of playing Dungeons And Dragons table-top since the early 1980s, being an AD&D Dungeon Master for three decades, and also being a huge fan of the groundbreaking and wonderful Baldur's Gate PC games.

In RPG, you can't just say "my character suddenly obtains millions of gold coins from a Bank Account in an alternate dimension" and yet this is exactly what Buying Gil does.

In FFXI, your character starts out with nothing, just some level one pyjamas and an Adventurer's Coupon to obtain 50 Gil. Becoming rich took a lot of work, and sometimes luck, which is called RPG realism. Back in the original game, it also took ages to level up and to skill up, which again is RPG realism.

I always felt that it was wrong to make the acquisition of Gil, experience points, and skill-ups, so much faster, in recent years, because I felt that the original core FFXI's slow progress actually reflected the RPG realism of the hardships that an adventurer faces. Not everybody in life has the guts to be an adventurer, not everyone in life becomes a Master, and not everyone in life becomes a billionaire.

What I liked most about the original FFXI was the stratification, the structure, and the strict rules that made adventuring difficult from level one onwards. This added realism to the character's adventuring journey, it gave the character a history of overcoming obstacles and enduring hardships. This made the characters feel more rounded, more real.

There is nothing realistic about a character that sleepwalks AFK from level 1-99 and then uses sparks books to instantly skill up to Skill Master Status. Similarly there is nothing realistic about an RPG character that suddenly obtains millions of Gil from a Bank Account on planet Earth.

Realism is not about graphics. Realism is about atmosphere and lore, and emotional engagement, the fact that you believe in and relate to a RPG character. The NPCs and player characters in FFXI might look like toy soldiers and dolls, compared to new 2019 eye-candy games, but those FFXI NPCs and player characters exist in a world that has a lot of history and lore and memories, all of which create an atmosphere of realism and emotional engagement.

Being an adventurer is not for everybody. Adventuring is a hard life. This is why most NPCs chose to be shopkeepers and townspeople, instead of being adventurers. And if the hardship of adventuring is removed entirely, it is no longer an adventure.

[Mikah]

You can absolutely "suddenly obtain millions out of thin air"

Game Shark. Game Genie. Code breaker. Cheat Engine. Underflows. Programming errors. Glitches.

You can do it in D&D too, you just have to pass a roll check.

New mobs, do not give any kind of gil anymore. Anything created after adoulin gives zero gil on kill and cannot be mugged. And even old mobs aside from kings don't drop or mug more than a measly 15k ish.

[Alhanelem]

You can absolutely "suddenly obtain millions out of thin air"

Game Shark. Game Genie. Code breaker. Cheat Engine. Underflows. Programming errors. Glitches.

You can do it in D&D too, you just have to pass a roll check.

New mobs, do not give any kind of gil anymore. Anything created after adoulin gives zero gil on kill and cannot be mugged. And even old mobs aside from kings don't drop or mug more than a measly 15k ish.

Hacking/cheating devices are also breaking the rules, what's your point? It's not approved, if you used any of those things anything you did in the game would be discreded by any external source.

But even that's beside the point because in an offline/oldschool single player game, the only person affected by your cheating is you (unless you use a cheating device in a speedrun and try to pass it off as legit playing). This is all different from sanctioned, official helps included within a game. Those are considered to be within the rules, even if we don't like those features. That's a lot different than using game genie / action replay.


TL;DR yes the stuff you describe is a thing, but it's still cheating and it's still breaking the rules and it served no useful purpose for you to mention.


I'll just quote myself again:

Again: Using sanctioned ingame mechanics is different from breaking the rules with outside the game mechanics. I don't like those either, but it's not breaking the rules to use a built in feature of the game in a manner approved by the people who made it.

[Seish]

The comments she makes baffles me. She basically endorsed RMT in a post that was later removed by SE if that gives anyone here a idea of where she stands.

[Zehira]

RMT everywhere (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/55179-RMT-everywhere/page5)がおかしな方向に進んでいるみたいです。。。日本語フォーラムのモデレーターさんは英語フォーラムのモデレーターさんと連携してちゃんと対処しておいたほうがよさそうです。RMT行為をフォーラムで自己申告したあとに、RMT行為の何が悪い、ゲームシャークといったチ－トツールを引き合いに出して正当化しようとしているのは運営が設けた規約をないがしろにするものです。。

Hello Minamikun.

I am sorry, I don't speak Japanese so I can't post on your thread. I hope you understand that not every English player is on this official forum. For some reason, they prefer their alternative forums such as FFXIAH, Reddit, and Facebook to avoid the risk of account termination that is applied here. Obviously, they are not that stupid or you can say Asura is big enough to have our own in-game forum that manages the community using /yell.

Please ignore the GameShark joke, I don't agree with that either. Whether the STF has determined my account or not just because I wrote doesn't mean I actually buy/sell gil. I am one of multi-millionaires doing my own business like anyone else.

I have determined the Japanese forums and noticed some Japanese players have considered the merge of their servers but the main problem is their character names. I also noticed Japanese players want to see English players to get banned for breaking the rules just because there is nothing you want to help them to avoid buying gil. Is it true? I was on Bahamut before and saw the big picture. I think what to break the rules, a choice between two options...

A) Work to gain gil as much as you need.

B) Save your energy and buy gil.

Myself, I picked A. Unfortunately, if you have been on Asura you will realize how expensive stuff are on the AH compared to the minority servers. It's always mysterious for you. As long as you can't figure out how to fix then the rules will be broken constantly. Not many players who have moved to Asura want to go back to the minority servers where they belong. They feel blessed to be in the large community regardless of our reputation.

Thank you and have a wonderful day!

[Alhanelem]

I don't believe that JP players are any more or less likely to be rule breakers as NA players are. Heck, most of the most egregious rule breakers are the chinese gil farm botters anyway.

Nationality or language shoujldn't even play a part in this discussion.



Myself, I picked A. Unfortunately, if you have been on Asura you will realize how expensive stuff are on the AH compared to the minority servers. It's always mysterious for you. As long as you can't figure out how to fix then the rules will be broken constantly. Not many players who have moved to Asura want to go back to the minority servers where they belong. They feel blessed to be in the large community regardless of our reputation. This is why, even with the declining population, piling on one server isn't a good idea. The experience is honestly better on the other servers even though the population is lower, which is the opposite of what most people would think- "There's more people on big servers therefore I can make more friends and do more stuff!" It's only half-true. More people do bring more opportunities, but they also bring more problems. I'll take my small circle of friends on Shiva than giant cliques that I can't relate to /identify with.

[Zehira]

Just found the link from the Japanese thread. It is already happening. Only a temp-ban to warn the players.

https://jp.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54238/happy-thanksbanning

[Seish]

The Japanese in general do not like cheaters. Their culture on playing is different than ours and honestly I agree with them. I think a suspension is a good start and warnings that aren't necessarily a strike on the account but I think after that if they are caught or anyone, a more strict punishment should be made. SE needs to take this stance and they need to send a message.

[Alhanelem]

The Japanese in general do not like cheaters. Their culture on playing is different than ours and honestly I agree with them. I think a suspension is a good start and warnings that aren't necessarily a strike on the account but I think after that if they are caught or anyone, a more strict punishment should be made. SE needs to take this stance and they need to send a message.

In general nobody that cheats likes cheaters. This isn't a cultural thing, it's just a fact. And don't think there aren't Japanese cheaters either. Possibly not as many but scummy behavior knows no borders.

[Seish]

Obviously some do, but if you read the forums they are the most active of all of us I feel and are more vocal about cheating than we are. I don't have numbers, maybe SE can give us demographics as to who they ban. That would be cool bro but they would never in their lives do that.

[Zehira]

This isn't a cultural thing, it's just a fact.

You aren't on Asura though.

[Alhanelem]

You aren't on Asura though.
It's basically irrelevant. Other servers aren't as bad as Asura on this front but that doesn't mean cheaters don't exist, and exist regardless of nationality.

[Zehira]

People on Asura thought the STF and GMs don't do anything for the players. They basically tell the players, "We are aware. You have a wonderful day!"

[Seish]

Well now they know.

[Zehira]

Hello! I hope you all are having a wonderful day during the Holidays! :)

Here is a new update!

Opinions from Japanese players:

A little long ago, I saw a cheater using an odd equipment back in 2017. Have it got fixed? I don't think so.

https://cdn.ffxipro.com/images/ss/mid/527dcaab80ad2a3ed6c5f09dc2955a7d.jpg

I was also surprised how general players are aware of RMT being a part of the MMO world including FFXIV. Is the STF team investigating properly? I doubt it. Are third-party tools/scripts "currently" permitted? I think we should encourage the STF team to push general players to obey the rules. That's really a matter, of course.

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Opinions from English players after Matsui's recent post:

That would make too much sense to do stuff on the official forums. I'd rather not to mess with or read carefully here due to the fact this place has a full of sheep that must obey the rules. For real discussion, I'd recommend somewhere like http://www.bluegartr.com/ or FFXIAH would work fine.

FFXIAH: Please keep reporting any other concerns you have (https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54330/please-keep-reporting-any-other-concerns-you-have/)

(They are just some free-thinkers who are afraid of getting banned by forum moderators.)

We even thanked all bots, RMT, dupers, Chinese, American, Japanese, Mithra, Elvaan, Tarutaru, etc for supporting our undying game of FFXI.

Edited: Another update (2019/12/27). Director Fujito just commented (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/30078-%E3%83%95%E3%82%B8%E3%83%88%E3%81%AE%E3%81%B2%E3%81%A8%E3%82%8A%E3%81%94%E3%81%A8%E3%80%82?p=622997&viewfull=1#post622997) a bit about the problems of bots, RMT, and others. They (Dev team) have been doing a little for each. Each has a small effect. If it makes sense, that will continue through the next year.