Combining "Items Inventory" and "Mog Satchel" or "Mog Sack" together?

[Aaralyn]

I don't really understand the mechanics very well, so I don't know if this would bypass the PS2 limitations, or if it's essentially the same thing. But I'm running out of room in my Items Inventory. I'm generally 75/80 on the three jobs I play, and that's only expanding.

Is it possible to combine Items Inventory with Mog Sack, so that any gear that is in Mog Sack will be equiped upon using a macro?

Or at least something to that effect. While I appreciate and love that we've gotten Satchel and Sack, it doesn't help my Items Inventory woes.

I assume it's not possible, cause it seems like this would be an obvious fix and would have been done by now. But I'm desperate and asking anyway.

[Jackastheripper]

I think the only problem with this would be that if you don't meet certain specifications, you don't get things like the Mog Satchel. Expanding an in game mechanic like the inventory is one thing, but the other 2 inventory systems were bonuses for buying one of their products or later add-ons. I am not completely familiar with mechanics either so don't take this to seriously lol. That's my 2 cents.

[Khajit]

The game has a limit of 80 invo spaces, and 80 "other" spaces accessible at once last i heard not counting temp items. It's literally impossible to go higher which is why SE has been giving mog lockers,satchels, and sacks as a workaround.

[Malamasala]

I just wish they'd hand out satchels soon. If I haven't fallen for their scam over these years, I'm sure not going to buy a token in the future either. So might as well give me the satchel instead of trying to convince me to waste money.

[Jackastheripper]

The game has a limit of 80 invo spaces, and 80 "other" spaces accessible at once last i heard not counting temp items. It's literally impossible to go higher which is why SE has been giving mog lockers,satchels, and sacks as a workaround.

good to know!

[Kazen]

I just wish they'd hand out satchels soon. If I haven't fallen for their scam over these years, I'm sure not going to buy a token in the future either. So might as well give me the satchel instead of trying to convince me to waste money.

Are you really that poor that spending $10 to secure your account is a big deal? Honestly, the tokens were something that we should have had in FFXI from the start. I don't really see how the tokens are a "scam" when generally you scam someone to make money and that isn't the case here. The satchels were incentive for people to secure their accounts so they could spend less time recovering all of the stolen accounts that was a fairly large issue in the community at that time.

In short, no token, no satchel.

[Jackastheripper]

Not a scam so much as an incentive to take your own security into your own hands. You are not taken advantage of if you don't have the token or the mog satchel, you just leave your account at higher risk.

[Zyeriis]

The security token is the only positive thing I got out of FFXIV >_>
Scam? What is this...I don't even...
I just wish they would fix the log in password saving for SE ID, mine doesn't get saved and I have to type it in every time, twice. Once for Playonline member password, then I have to type in my SE ID password, and then I have to use the security token and type that in as well. (Hmm, should I make a thread about this?)

Anyway, back to the actual topic.
I was wondering earlier why they don't allow you to macro equip items from your satchel and sack. I saw some one mention something about a requirement of purchase to get the mog sack. What is the requirement? I didn't have scars of abyssea when i purchased my mog sack from the artisan moogle, and I had to pay gil. I also checked ffxiclopedia, which had no mention of such a requirement. So, this furthers my wonder as to why macros cannot dip into at least the mog sack to equip items directly from there, which would be much appreciated. Or why treasure won't drop into them. I don't see why they cannot do something about this. You can say ps2 limitations but the actual inventory slots are already there, they would just need to enable weapons and stuff to be equipped from them.

[Malamasala]

10 dollars is nothing for me. I just refuse to buy something I consider not necessary.

I agree with the password saving for SE ID though. Almost made me regret signing up for these forums when all my future logins became a chore.

[Alhanelem]

I assume it's not possible, The whole reason the seperate sacks exist is because it's not possible.

[SNK]

10 dollars is nothing for me. I just refuse to buy something I consider not necessary.

I agree with the password saving for SE ID though. Almost made me regret signing up for these forums when all my future logins became a chore.

That really reeks of lazyness. The Tokens were something which we should have had from the start and if a few extra steps helps me keep my account more secure in an age where online theft is a common thing then I'd gladly pay for it. If you really have no idea what sparked the whole thing you should check this thread out..

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/52801-Attention-players-with-Compromised-Accounts

It had gotten to the point that people were getting their accounts ripped right out from under them and SE finally had to do something with the thousands of players that got their shit jacked.

[Sagian]

That really reeks of lazyness. The Tokens were something which we should have had from the start and if a few extra steps helps me keep my account more secure in an age where online theft is a common thing then I'd gladly pay for it. If you really have no idea what sparked the whole thing you should check this thread out..

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/52801-Attention-players-with-Compromised-Accounts

It had gotten to the point that people were getting their accounts ripped right out from under them and SE finally had to do something with the thousands of players that got their shit jacked.

It doesn't reek of laziness. For some of us the security token is wholly unnecessary. I would be spending $10 for the sole purpose of acquiring extra inventory space. Not gonna happen.

People were getting their accounts ripped right out from under them because they were careless, not because a security token didn't exist.

[Ravenmore]

Not using IEhaving up to date anti-virus and firefox ad-block may not always be enough. I my self trust no one, all it would take is a roommate, child or anyone else in your house that might get on your PC that could bone you. A added layer to know that is would be harder to hack you then its worth is never a bad thing.

[Khajit]

It doesn't reek of laziness. For some of us the security token is wholly unnecessary. I would be spending $10 for the sole purpose of acquiring extra inventory space. Not gonna happen.

People were getting their accounts ripped right out from under them because they were careless, not because a security token didn't exist.
Completely wrong there. There is essentially no defense against a zero day infection for a pc and to top it off it turned out later that during a patch Microsoft had forced in for silverlight that there was a gaping security hole/exploit in it that they knew about for over 6~9 months which users had no ability to patch up. It wasn't until around the time that it was announced publicly and an option existed to disable it that account jackings finally trickled down to almost nothingness.

While it is true that people do need to have an updated antivirus , noscript , and etc those methods arent 100% and they especially arent when there are security holes that large being ignored by an OS provider.

[Malamasala]

Token wouldn't be 100% safe either, which keeps it pointless to buy.

[Megatron]

people will complain about anything. its $10.00 quit QQing and jsut buy it or hush. peopel at SE got to eat too

[Kazen]

Token wouldn't be 100% safe either, which keeps it pointless to buy.

I see your logic now and I shall reply with an analogy. It seems when your parents had you as a baby they decided there was a 50% chance of you being retarded if they tossed you down the steps and a 0.5% chance if they didn't. It seems since theirs a chance either way it didn't matter so they tossed you down the steps.

In all seriousness, just stop. It seems that you're a rather misinformed individual and I'm sorry for you. However, nothing is absolutely 100% safe therefore should we stop doing everything that gives any sort of benefit in any way? I'm going to guess you're one of those people who don't believe in western medicines and prefer spiritual healing as western medicines aren't 100% effective in each persons body.

The truth of the matter is that the tokens have stopped thousands of accounts from being hacked. Does this stop people from trying to hack you? No. However, this does make it much much much harder for them to do so. Just recently (3 months ago) someone tried to brute force hack my account apparently because SE sent me an email saying they took the liberty of temporary suspending it due to the amount of login errors processed and I had to go about a playonline password change. I have a token so this wasn't a huge issue but if I had not it is possible someone could have gotten in. Anything that adds an additional layer of security is not useless, the only thing that is useless is people like you that may convince the also misinformed/less tech savvy people into believing it is a waste of money.

For the record, I use Firefox, adblock, no script and I have never even loaded up IE on this computer as I have it disabled. I also deleted the Real Player the second I got this PC as that is another known exploit.

[Alhanelem]

10 dollars is nothing for me. I just refuse to buy something I consider not necessary.It's not ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, no, as long as you properly guard your personal information and NEVER give your account info to ANYONE. But if anything has EVER been slipped, even if you're sure no one ever saw or used it, your account is at a minimum of a slight risk. $10 is trivial and the token (normally) lasts for years. But if you don't value your account enough to protect it, then don't post a whine thread on this or any other forum when your account does get jacked.

[Greatguardian]

Tokens are like condoms.

You may have researched the Adblock pull-out method and tied it into the Firefox ovulation calendar, but shit can still happen. Security tokens are 99% effective at preventing pregnancy. It's not 100%, but nothing is. You can end up pregnant with a keylogger whether you practice Adblock pull-outs or use a Security token condom. Obviously this means condoms are a scam, right?

[sope]

I spent $10 dollars for 80 inventory space once, and for some reason SE sent me some silly token keychain thing.

[rog]

The game has a limit of 80 invo spaces, and 80 "other" spaces accessible at once last i heard not counting temp items.
Including temp items actually. That is why you cannot see temp items while viewing your safe/satchel/etc.

[Sagian]

Tokens are like condoms.

You may have researched the Adblock pull-out method and tied it into the Firefox ovulation calendar, but shit can still happen. Security tokens are 99% effective at preventing pregnancy. It's not 100%, but nothing is. You can end up pregnant with a keylogger whether you practice Adblock pull-outs or use a Security token condom. Obviously this means condoms are a scam, right?

Keeping your flash drive in its sheath is proven 100% effective - no Adblock pull-outs or Security token condom necessary.

Don't do stupid shyt and it won't get jacked. It's that simple.

[Greatguardian]

Keeping your flash drive in its sheath is proven 100% effective - no Adblock pull-outs or Security token condom necessary.

Don't do stupid shyt and it won't get jacked. It's that simple.

Abstinence-Only FFXISex-Ed basically boils down to not playing FFXI. Which I do suppose is a fairly straightforward deterrent to getting hacked. You won't get your FFXI account hacked if you don't play FFXI. I agree entirely.

[Sagian]

Abstinence-Only FFXISex-Ed basically boils down to not playing FFXI. Which I do suppose is a fairly straightforward deterrent to getting hacked. You won't get your FFXI account hacked if you don't play FFXI. I agree entirely.

Now your just being obtuse. Don't give your pr0n-addicted brother your account details. Don't use hacks. Don't buy gil. Don't install warez. Don't do anything that will expose you.

Unless the details are actually stolen from the provider, the only people who get details stolen... are people who allow their details to be stolen.

[Kaych]

The security token is the only positive thing I got out of FFXIV >_>
Scam? What is this...I don't even...
I just wish they would fix the log in password saving for SE ID, mine doesn't get saved and I have to type it in every time, twice. Once for Playonline member password, then I have to type in my SE ID password, and then I have to use the security token and type that in as well. (Hmm, should I make a thread about this?)

Agreed. SE, this >_>

[Myrid]

Now your just being obtuse. Don't give your pr0n-addicted brother your account details. Don't use hacks. Don't buy gil. Don't install warez. Don't do anything that will expose you.

Unless the details are actually stolen from the provider, the only people who get details stolen... are people who allow their details to be stolen.

Incorrect. You've apparently never heard of the account hijack method called "brute force".

Someone picks the random string of four letters and four numbers that is your POL account name, and then uses their network of gilfarmer computers to try every possible password for it. They eventually get in and strip its contents, then use it for spamming.

Happened to my wow account. After I hadn't played the game in over a year, I got a (legit) email from Blizz that my billing had been canceled.

I went straight to worldofwarcraft.com myself (not following any links to get there), reset my password, and logged in. Someone had added a month, removed it, and (after I re-downloaded and patched my game I discovered) stripped my account. I always use different forum logins than I do game logins, every game login is different, haven't had a virus since 1995, use ff+noscript exclusively, etc.

On top of that my account got locked because whoever added that month later did a chargeback on their CC. Not that I care, just saying it does happen. Security token prevents this.

[Kazen]

Incorrect. You've apparently never heard of the account hijack method called "brute force".


Yeah I explained this back on page 2, but it seems he didn't read it. SE locked my account awhile ago because someone tried to brute force hack it and I had to talk to them over the phone/tech support instant message (I used the instant message option) to reset my password. Afterwards, I had to login with the PW they gave me and reset it myself. I felt this was highly unnecessary as I have a token but someone still tried to hack into my account.

It's a possibility that they would have gotten into my account if I didn't have a token, but it's hard to say. Tokens are a great way to increase the security on your account, especially if you have an account that would be considered valuable.

[Sagian]

Incorrect. You've apparently never heard of the account hijack method called "brute force"...

You've apparently never heard of 'strong' passwords. This is what I mean by user carelessness. If you use a weak password, you make yourself a target for brute force attacks.

[Kazen]

You've apparently never heard that even "strong" passwords can be broken. However, when you have a combination of a strong password and a token you have much more security than a strong password. I'm not sure how there can be any discussion on this matter; you're arguing against the use of a device that more than doubles your security for the price of $10.

[Greatguardian]

You've apparently never heard of 'strong' passwords. This is what I mean by user carelessness. If you use a weak password, you make yourself a target for brute force attacks.

You can be as informed as you want, you're just pulling out smartly instead of wearing a damn tokencondom. Shit happens, no matter how strong your password is or how safely you browse. If you want to leave that to chance, it's your account. If you don't, it's $10 to add an extremely powerful second layer of security. I don't care what you do. But to say that tokens are useless if you're smart is just ignorant.

[Kazen]

I'm just going to throw this out here for fun. Password cracking software has become a lot more advanced in the past few years. As of 2011 a new cracking software program has emerged that is fairly annoying which is another reason more and more companies are switching to token based security. This new bot which can be obtained over the internet can use a standard desktop PC to run 2,800,000 passwords per second. At this speed this program can crack passwords consisting of 10 digits in length in less than one day. Notice how I said digits and not words or just numbers, it checks everything.

If you want to see how passwords have become even more inferior than before, look at something else also developed recently. A new password cracking machine developed by the EFF can crack a DES 56 bit password in 56 hours. This machine can run 90 billion keys per second.

Now obviously a machine such as this isn't something you'd ever have to worry about for a ffxi account, however, it's not far fetched to say that the use of desktops running what I said above can be used.

[Seriha]

More to the matter of active inventory space, I'm of the mindset that the /equip command can be modified to check your sack and satchel and this check would have no need to be done client side. As is, there's already a check to see if an item is on your person, followed up by matching the level and job requirements. The condition in checking would just need to be added before those last steps. Effectively tripling usable inventory would be a blessing for hybrid jobs who otherwise have to choose if they want to be more full on mage/support or more physically minded at the expense of their magic.

[Greatguardian]

More to the matter of active inventory space, I'm of the mindset that the /equip command can be modified to check your sack and satchel and this check would have no need to be done client side. As is, there's already a check to see if an item is on your person, followed up by matching the level and job requirements. The condition in checking would just need to be added before those last steps. Effectively tripling usable inventory would be a blessing for hybrid jobs who otherwise have to choose if they want to be more full on mage/support or more physically minded at the expense of their magic.

The game can never hold more than 160 Items in RAM at the same time, ever. When you're swapping gear, or using the /equip command, your Inventory and your Equipment screens are up at the same time in RAM (96 slots). Adding even one of the Sacks would bring your Items-in-RAM total to 176, which the game cannot handle.

The only potentially possible solution is to add an /equipsack or /equipsatchel command, however it's entirely possible that the game is not set up to handle Equipment changes from anything but Inventory anyways (this would not be surprising, as it's standard practice in programming to lock this sort of thing). The Development team has already stated plenty of times that they are unable to increase are usable inventory any further, which is why we are getting things like the Mog Sack and Mog Satchel in the first place.

[Seriha]

I understand the 80 cap, but using /equip should have no need to pull the window up on the PS2 or whatever system. The servers should know what we have (otherwise we could tell it we have 80 kraken clubs), and such any checks would be handled on that end. If it's a matter of actual stress when triplicating the search area, then okay, but your personal RAM should not be a factor here.