Master Designation should have a different requirement

[Edelfelt]

Can we have a different requirement to be able to have those stars above ppl's head in there? 2100 JP is not enough. Met so many masters today that do not know how play their job xD. (Master PLD Pulling all omen mobs as soon as we zone in wiping the pt, Master BLM that doesn't know how to MB on a Omen Boss, Master SMN who melee's in Ambuscade)

Maybe instead of 2100JP instead it should be 4200 Hours online on that job (about 6 RL months).

That or let us have a quest where we trade JP's and once we traded 21000(yes 21000) JP's then we can have stars on our heads. Maybe add a glamour armor/weapon too.

[Afania]

Can we have a different requirement to be able to have those stars above ppl's head in there? 2100 JP is not enough. Met so many masters today that do not know how play their job xD. (Master PLD Pulling all omen mobs as soon as we zone in wiping the pt, Master BLM that doesn't know how to MB on a Omen Boss, Master SMN who melee's in Ambuscade)

Maybe instead of 2100JP instead it should be 4200 Hours online on that job (about 6 RL months).

That or let us have a quest where we trade JP's and once we traded 21000(yes 21000) JP's then we can have stars on our heads. Maybe add a glamour armor/weapon too.

Pulling all omen mobs as soon as pt zone in is probably more of a communication/pt organization issue, less about actual playing skill of the job.

Melee on SMN is used to activate Nirvana AM3, if SMN melee when it's not ideal to, it's probably communication issue again.

Many leaders (I would say at least 80% of them) doesn't know how to properly communicate nor organize party, they expect everyone know what to do without ever bother to explain the detail, but it has absolutely nothing to do with actual playing skill nor knowledge of the job.

[Nyarlko]

All that Job Master indicates is that the job has a 45min SP timer and establishes a certain baseline for spell/JA/etc potency/duration/etc. It has no implication that the player knows anything about, well, anything.

[Sirmarki]

Blame PL...

[Aysha]

Maybe instead of 2100JP instead it should be 4200 Hours online on that job (about 6 RL months).

Yay, so all of those people who leave their character online in Port Jeuno with Bazaars up overnight can get their master stars faster than everybody else!


That or let us have a quest where we trade JP's and once we traded 21000(yes 21000) JP's then we can have stars on our heads. Maybe add a glamour armor/weapon too.

21,000? Yeah, I bet like no one ever would have them, because seriously, 2100 is hard enough to get. Doing that, but 10 times over once you've already maxed out? lol. nope. If I were to go out and get Capacity Points, I sure as frick wouldn't do it on a 2100-capped job just to get stars above my name; I'd do it on another job. In fact I could get ten more jobs completely maxed out with that. That's half of the entire job list.

[Edelfelt]

Today on a Kei Omen Pug run, everyone has master designation, Leader explained it 3 times what everyone has to do, PLD and GEO both masters said "We going in or what?!". When we finally did Kei, PLD died to Deathly Fullers 3 times, no holy water, didn't even try to run away. Geo just stood there afk not spamming blizz or water to remove regen. His excuse? He was silenced and he has no echo drops. How is he silenced when he's standing next to us and were not silenced. Seriously.. Masters. More like Master noobs. Geo Galka even turned off his buff and stood next to Kei to get hit in a pitiful attempt to make the run fail. Kei died and he ninja lotted all the loot lol.

[Edelfelt]

Yay, so all of those people who leave their character online in Port Jeuno with Bazaars up overnight can get their master stars faster than everybody else!


21,000? Yeah, I bet like no one ever would have them, because seriously, 2100 is hard enough to get. Doing that, but 10 times over once you've already maxed out? lol. nope. If I were to go out and get Capacity Points, I sure as frick wouldn't do it on a 2100-capped job just to get stars above my name; I'd do it on another job. In fact I could get ten more jobs completely maxed out with that. That's half of the entire job list.

You sound like you got a lot of opinions but no suggestions. Hmmm must be one of those "masters".

[Nyarlko]

Job Master stars are just a visual indication for others that they don't have to worry that you are derpy and put all your job points into the less useful categories and/or are not lying about how many you have. The lowered SP recast is mostly pointless given how an strategy that calls for their use also calls for a reset.

[Kishr]

visual indication.

Has nothing to do with player skill
Just a personal satisfaction that you got the skills maxed for base stats.
Stars from a mindless grind doesn't make you great.
As for seeing other people with stars, I don't see it as a indication that they are great at their job .

[Nyarlko]

Has nothing to do with player skill
Just a personal satisfaction that you got the skills maxed for base stats.
Stars from a mindless grind doesn't make you great.
As for seeing other people with stars, I don't see it as a indication that they are great at their job .

I didn't say that it has anything to do with "being great", only that others are assured a baseline on capability/potency. You can be BIS for everything your job is capable of and job master and still be utterly clueless and/or afk in the middle of a boss fight after all. XD

[Aysha]

You sound like you got a lot of opinions but no suggestions. Hmmm must be one of those "masters".

Doesn't take a master to recognize a terrible suggestion... *shrug*

[Nyarlko]

Doesn't take a master to recognize a terrible suggestion... *shrug*

I love it when we get to agree. ^_^

[Sirmarki]

There isn't anything prestigious about being a master.
It's all about gearing and skill...

Maybe they should make training camps where you gain special achievements.

"Quick, NPC is poisoned, cast poisona within 5 seconds to score 1 point"

[Edelfelt]

Doesn't take a master to recognize a terrible suggestion... *shrug*

Still no suggestions from this "master". Great puns thou.

[Aysha]

Still no suggestions from this "master". Great puns thou.

Who said I was a master? I never said that, nor implied it.

EDIT: As for my suggestion? Stop quibbling over semantics and just play the flippin' game.

[Kishr]

stuff

I wasn't disagreeing with you, was quoting you as the stars are a basic glamor showing I have all gifts.

[Kishr]

Also, OP.
8 new threads on first page.
Play the game or don't, making a thread for everything you don't like is sounding like rants.

[Afania]

Today on a Kei Omen Pug run, everyone has master designation, Leader explained it 3 times what everyone has to do, PLD and GEO both masters said "We going in or what?!". When we finally did Kei, PLD died to Deathly Fullers 3 times, no holy water, didn't even try to run away. Geo just stood there afk not spamming blizz or water to remove regen. His excuse? He was silenced and he has no echo drops. How is he silenced when he's standing next to us and were not silenced. Seriously.. Masters. More like Master noobs. Geo Galka even turned off his buff and stood next to Kei to get hit in a pitiful attempt to make the run fail. Kei died and he ninja lotted all the loot lol.

Once again, it's communication issue and I think you overly exaggerate players in your pt being "bad".


PLD and GEO both masters said "We going in or what?!".

1) There's absolutely nothing wrong to double check with pt about whether it's ready to go in or not, better than go in unprepared.


When we finally did Kei, PLD died to Deathly Fullers 3 times,

2) For most people, Dancing Fullers require some experience to dodge, if the tank has no experience, then the leader has to explain how (Since there are some tricks to increase dodge success rate on this), or ask the tank to tank in max HP set and GEO to recall bubbles.

Since I don't use battle mode/display TP nor tools to remove animation lock for fuller, I personally just tank in movement speed+ gears and max melee distance, then run when I see red lines. This way generally allows at least 90%+ chance of success on fuller dodge. If I'm pugging and the tank has no experience, I'd just explain my entire setup on fuller dodge thing.

That being said, Kei is not dangerous by any means, if tank dies there's really no big deal. Just raise tank and have him tank weakened.


Geo just stood there afk not spamming blizz or water to remove regen. His excuse? He was silenced and he has no echo drops.

Silena him then.......


Kei died

So the NM died and you're still complaining? >.> It's just a game, everyone makes mistakes, everyone learn from experiences. I know a couple of people that have cleared every single content in game, and got server first on couple of things. And yet they make mistakes all the time. Hell I make tons of mistakes all the time myself, from forgetting cards to forgetting echos. And yet I have no issues clearing every hardest contents that I want to clear in past 8 years of playing FFXI anyways.

In the end of day, a win is a win and team work > all. You'd be surprised that many "server top" groups still make silly mistakes on T4 or master trials very often, the difference between these groups and avg PUG is that, server top groups learn from their mistakes and just improve from it, they don't cling on every single small mistakes pt member made and got super angry on every silly things. So they developed strong familiarity and trust in the group to kill the hardest stuff. On the other hand avg PUG complain and complain about every little thing, which destroys morale and lowers entire pt performance.

There's nothing you can accomplish by complaining about your pt member and cling on every single small mistakes. If the pt has issues, try to fix them first, then just move on and forget about the mistakes.

From my experience and observations, outside of knowledge, skill and gears, players with "I'll try my best to fix the issue" attitude is really what put them one tier above players with "we fail because everyone is bad in this pt" attitude.