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Juri_Licious
04-13-2011, 12:46 AM
Okay, Bahamut probably the most popular summon among the fans and you can't even summon him. Yes, I know he's apart of the Story mode and you fight him and all but still.
They should add him to where you can Summon him.

I don't really care how long it takes for this to come out either, but to know it would come out someday would be amazing.

Elexia
04-13-2011, 12:47 AM
Didn't SMN already get 2 new avatars recently? o.O

Bubeeky
04-13-2011, 12:51 AM
they already stated a long time ago that Bahamut wouldn't ever become a summon, because they'd have to scale down his size to fit into dungeons, and that would detract from his diety style appearance.

sucks tho, cuz I <3 Bahamut! We could totally use him as a mount!

azjazo
04-13-2011, 01:37 AM
Didn't SMN already get 2 new avatars recently? o.O

we got 2 more 2hr abilities, not 2 new avatars, not complaining, but well, we were all expecting to get summoneable and perp costeable avatars.

Bahamuth would be 2hr like the other two if implemented, so... meh...

Juri_Licious
04-14-2011, 05:26 AM
I honestly wouldn't even mind if it was a 2 hour ability, just the ability to use Bahamut would be amazing itself.
Before FF10 Summons were just attacks anyways, so I could deal with it.

Although it'd be cooler for a Avatar, and he could be the only Neutral Summon.

Karbuncle
04-14-2011, 05:29 AM
When SE teased our new Avatars were going to be played like none before them, i got my hopes up for an Avatar that was a strong DoT, with good Bloodpacts. I had thought that was probably odin.

But then we got what we got... and can't say im "disappointing", but I still hope for either an Avatar who's DoT doesn't suck, or an improvement to Current Avatars to make their melee phase damage not "Strength of a Sword, Delay of a Staff", and more "Strength of an Axe delay of an axe" type deal.

Malamasala
04-14-2011, 05:43 AM
they already stated a long time ago that Bahamut wouldn't ever become a summon, because they'd have to scale down his size to fit into dungeons, and that would detract from his diety style appearance.

sucks tho, cuz I <3 Bahamut! We could totally use him as a mount!

They already stated they wouldn't raise cap past 75. So by that logic Bahamut is stronger than 75s, but probably weaker than level 90s.

Rezeak
04-14-2011, 06:09 AM
Well they already have the model for bahamut so why not just give us him as a 2hr pet like odin/alex

I think he should work differently tho.

Once u summon him he does 1 of 3 RANDOM AoE

Megaflare(1000 AoE)
Gigaflre(2500 AoE)
Tetraflare(5000 AoE+chance at death)

thefinalrune
04-14-2011, 06:46 AM
Megaflare(1000 AoE)
Gigaflre(2500 AoE)
Tetraflare(5000 AoE+chance at death)
This would be made more entertaining if it was across the board, meaning it could damage players (within the party or alliance) as well as the mobs. Bahamut doesn't seem like the type to be pleased that he'd been summoned. He should just unleash on everyone.

Juri_Licious
04-14-2011, 06:53 AM
This would be made more entertaining if it was across the board, meaning it could damage players (within the party or alliance) as well as the mobs. Bahamut doesn't seem like the type to be pleased that he'd been summoned. He should just unleash on everyone.

So you want a 2 hour ability to kill your party? lol

thefinalrune
04-14-2011, 07:30 AM
Bahamut is the ultimate be all end all of summons normally. Using that much power should come with negative side effects. It would be like a lone summoner going into the thick of battle to sacrifice themselves to vanquish the foe(s) while the rest of the party retreats to safety.

Alhanelem
04-14-2011, 12:51 PM
If bahamut was summonable, it would most likely have to be a 2-hour summon, and I don't really want that.

Malamasala
04-14-2011, 03:40 PM
Now now. Remember that the perpetuation is the negative effect. Just have it drain EVERYONES MP with 18 MP per tick. That will be hilarious to see all RDMs, WHMs, BLMs, SCHs etc complain about their MP disappearing for no reason at all.

Zyeriis
04-14-2011, 04:01 PM
Meh, just make it so it requires multiple summoners in the party. That way >_> we can get Meteor, with multiple black mages in a party. It'd make many people happy but it would irritate them that to do requires co-operation, oh no!

Aerius
04-14-2011, 04:29 PM
Truth be told, in my opinion an avatar that relies on your MP pool would be much more interesting.

If you look at it from a realistic perspective, our last "real" update to our job (other than the gear/etc) was when they made Diabolos/Fenrir summonable. Other than that, we got beneficial stuff for our job (like gear to potentially nullify avatar perp cost, which I'm sure will be nerfed to hell when the 95->99 cap hits, if the 95 update doesn't nerf it already.)

I love summoner, I've raised BLM to 18, WHM to 37 (now 66!) JUST so I could be this job. And I have not been any other job for the last 2 years (I did occasionally raise a job for the hell of it,) and I'm a tad saddened that the 2 avatars we were teased so long with pretty much became 2h abilities. We don't use our 2h often, other than now in Abyssea with Dom. Ops at certain parties, but other than that I never use my 2h because I never have to.
I mean after spending years with the same avatars, I'm pretty sure even 1 new avatar would make things a bit more fresh. It's kind of like what Dragoon was in it's early days I guess. You finally get your Dragoon job, your Wyvern which (admit it!) you so badly wanted to become Dragoon for. Then you learn that the "Call Wyvern" job ability is a TWO HOUR ability (now a 20 mins ability) while your Wyvern can also easily be killed, especially in earlier levels. That's basically a Summoner and their 2 "new" avatars.)

I think it'd make my life as a Summoner much more interesting to see hybrid avatars of different elements, perhaps new avatars. Maybe one with more enfeebs/heal types? Hell I wouldn't even mind a healing/"light" type avatar that's not your very first, and also your weakest avatar. They don't have to rehash avatars from older series, they sometimes come up with new avatars in other FF games, why not make a few original ones for FFXI that can be rehashed into later FF's?) (Note: Not bashing rehashing here, just throwing around ideas.)

I guess what I'm saying is I'd rather have a real usable avatar rather than a 2h ability which Bahamut would basically be should the dev team somewhere change their minds.

[Don't mind it/ignore if the above sounds like complete jibberish >.> It's 9:28am and I haven't gotten to sleeping yet!]

Anyway, I just thought I'd lay my thoughts here about my (still, one and only) main job.

Juri_Licious
11-11-2011, 11:14 PM
I'm going to go ahead and bump this thread. Because maybe with some miracle a staff member could respond.

Also, about the scaling. Diabolos is pretty big and he looks fine.

Vold
11-12-2011, 12:45 AM
I'm going to go ahead and bump this thread. Because maybe with some miracle a staff member could respond.

Also, about the scaling. Diabolos is pretty big and he looks fine.Yeah but Bahamut is like, really REALLY pretty big.

Camiie
11-12-2011, 05:42 AM
Forget Bahamut. You guys have no ambition! The avatar I want is ... ALTANA!

Juri_Licious
11-12-2011, 05:46 AM
Forget Bahamut. You guys have no ambition! The avatar I want is ... ALTANA!

Bahamut is mondo tubular though.

Camiie
11-12-2011, 05:54 AM
He is and I would gladly accept him no question, but eh after all we SMNs have endured we deserve to be able to summon down the teary-eyed fury of Altana as well!

Tsukino_Kaji
11-12-2011, 07:12 AM
they already stated a long time ago that Bahamut wouldn't ever become a summon, because they'd have to scale down his size to fit into dungeons, and that would detract from his diety style appearance.

sucks tho, cuz I <3 Bahamut! We could totally use him as a mount!Yeah I saw some screen shot of some dude that swapped him in with a NPC. He had to stand about 80 yalms away to see it all.
Still...
Bahamut of GTFO! He's practically the essential avatar of all FF games.

Camiie
11-12-2011, 07:56 AM
Remember these are avatars of gods, they're not the gods themselves. You're only summoning a portion of their power. It would make a lot of sense to have the Bahamut we summon be much smaller than the real Bahamut. The size thing just doesn't seem like a very valid reason to me.

Vold
11-12-2011, 09:11 AM
The thing with size is that they'd need to basically rework his model for it to work. It really is not as simple as resizing in Bahamut's case. I mean, darn, it could be but really, how cool will you feel when microbahamut shows up to handle the case?

Personally, I say let's do Bahamut, but make him into a 2 hour summon to keep it simple. You wouldn't need to nerf his size or anything. Have him show up, megaflare something's ass off, and flap away back to where ever. And of course the be all end all of BC fights to obtain him. I'm talking Diabolos epic, where there's armies of players trying to beat him but pop out dead as a doorbell one after the other. V3, and this time he's madder than hell and he won't take it any lon-oh crap red proc nevermind he's dead.

Poor Shinryu. Coulda shoulda woulda been #1 if not for those pesky buffs and temps.

Puck
11-12-2011, 04:35 PM
Guys, guys, guys! You're all missing the big picture. Clearly what SMN needs is more spirits.

Alhanelem
11-12-2011, 05:05 PM
Guys, guys, guys! You're all missing the big picture. Clearly what SMN needs is more spirits. Just like DRK needs more moves to weaken arcana.

ShadowHeart
11-12-2011, 10:28 PM
Whisper of the Wyrmking .... it has existed for a while so the dreams are still there :)

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Whisper_of_the_Wyrmking

Soranika
11-12-2011, 10:47 PM
Isn't it a little far to into FFXI life span to still be caring about a something SE already told us that we weren't getting?


Level's were never suppose to increase past 75 said SE in the past..... Oh, okay then. Carry on. Err, but personally asking for Bahamut is like beating a dead unicorn. It may be magical and come back but who knows if they're really real? ...Does that make sense?

tyrantsyn
11-12-2011, 11:33 PM
Nothing wrong with dreaming and just asking, even if it's already been said no to once before. I love to see him. And I don't even play smn.

Just to add it in, once they said we'd never see a level cap past 75 ^^

Juri_Licious
11-12-2011, 11:37 PM
Isn't it a little far to into FFXI life span to still be caring about a something SE already told us that we weren't getting?


Level's were never suppose to increase past 75 said SE in the past..... Oh, okay then. Carry on. Err, but personally asking for Bahamut is like beating a dead unicorn. It may be magical and come back but who knows if they're really real? ...Does that make sense?

Don't stop believing.

Camiie
11-13-2011, 12:56 AM
Isn't it a little far to into FFXI life span to still be caring about a something SE already told us that we weren't getting?

Nope!



Level's were never suppose to increase past 75 said SE in the past..... Oh, okay then. Carry on. Err, but personally asking for Bahamut is like beating a dead unicorn. It may be magical and come back but who knows if they're really real?

Actually now that you mention unicorns, we need Ixion or Alicorn too!



...Does that make sense?


Not to me!

Pebe
11-13-2011, 05:36 PM
He is and I would gladly accept him no question, but eh after all we SMNs have endured we deserve to be able to summon down the teary-eyed fury of Altana as well!

Incoming WOTG spoliler!!!!!!!

Pretty sure caitsith was born from Altana's tears when she saw what happened to Lilith's dimension. Therefore, since SE promised we could summon caitsith, we will be able to summon the teary-eyed fury of Altana...see what I did there. I really have my hopes up for caitsith, hopefully he is strong. And Atomos as a 2hr summon better not be no dang demi or stat drain. Speaking of Demi, Rominus Omen needs a serious buff. Or perhaps I just never used it right meh.

Puck
11-13-2011, 08:17 PM
Just like DRK needs more moves to weaken arcana.

See, this guy gets it.

Tsukino_Kaji
11-14-2011, 07:14 AM
Remember these are avatars of gods, they're not the gods themselves. You're only summoning a portion of their power. It would make a lot of sense to have the Bahamut we summon be much smaller than the real Bahamut. The size thing just doesn't seem like a very valid reason to me.I don't recall them saying they were alligned with any gods.

Meyi
11-14-2011, 07:22 AM
they already stated a long time ago that Bahamut wouldn't ever become a summon, because they'd have to scale down his size to fit into dungeons, and that would detract from his diety style appearance.

A good excuse, except they've scaled down all the avatars in terms of size and power. What's one more?

Camiie
11-14-2011, 08:13 AM
I don't recall them saying they were alligned with any gods.

Not all our avatars are representations of gods (which is what an avatar is supposed to be) but many are. The Celestial avatars are considered gods. The Terrestrials are actually empowered beings who would lose their power and sentience if Vana'diel was ever replaced with Paradise. I'm not really sure where Alexander and Odin fit in to that alignment. They do seem to either be considered or consider themselves gods at least.

Soranika
11-14-2011, 10:20 AM
I don't recall them saying they were alligned with any gods.
See above. >.> Need to read up on avatar and summoner lore.

Selzak
11-14-2011, 10:34 AM
Yeah, I'd like to see the new 'second 2-hour ability' for SMN be a Bahamut summon. I'm down with the idea of making it dangerous or even impractical. Maybe it does AoE damage to everyone randomly (including teammates). It could be like those spells in Final Fantasy Tactics that hit an area randomly- it may hit three of your party members and not hit the enemy, or it might hit three enemies and one party member, or w/e (idea would be to get your party far away). Regardless, it really should be a summon. Even if no one uses it, playing SMN without the ability to summon Bahamut at the highest levels just wrong.

Kristal
11-15-2011, 08:41 PM
Do I need to remind you that Bahamut wants us DEAD? You got more chance getting Promathia as a pet summon...

The next two summons that SMN gets are Cait Sith and Atomos, if I'm not mistaken, with Atomos being a 2hr summon.

Camiie
11-15-2011, 09:12 PM
Do I need to remind you that Bahamut wants us DEAD? You got more chance getting Promathia as a pet summon...


If that's the deciding factor then the only avatar we should have is Carbuncle.

Kristal
11-15-2011, 09:54 PM
If that's the deciding factor then the only avatar we should have is Carbuncle.

None of the avatars wants the sentient races removed from Vana'diel. Most of them aren't even awake.

Bahamut is a physical being, and the wyrm king wouldn't cater to the whims of mortals, even if they proved themselves capable of stopping Promathia. If we were no longer able to defy Bahamut and contain Promathia, Bahamut would wipe out all mortals on Vana'diel to stop Promathia from gaining more power.

Darkdragongers
11-16-2011, 12:41 AM
I wonder if put use Bahamut summon on Empyrean Paradox (A) how see fight been battle Bahamut vs Shinryu lol

Soranika
11-16-2011, 12:46 AM
I'm not sure if it's explained about what happened to Bahamut in Abyssea cause I was speeding through the CS. I think he absorbed him along with the rest?

Neisan_Quetz
11-16-2011, 02:08 AM
Most of the Celestial avatars don't care much for the races either, as in their text they treat the races as little more than entertainment. Alexander and Odin definitely don't care for the races and if they get killed during their fight, no big deal to them.

I personally blame Odin for a bunch of stuff in game...

Camiie
11-16-2011, 09:31 AM
None of the avatars wants the sentient races removed from Vana'diel. Most of them aren't even awake.

Bahamut is a physical being, and the wyrm king wouldn't cater to the whims of mortals, even if they proved themselves capable of stopping Promathia. If we were no longer able to defy Bahamut and contain Promathia, Bahamut would wipe out all mortals on Vana'diel to stop Promathia from gaining more power.


Bahamut: You have delayed mankind's extinction yet again...

Bahamut: An age is a mere flicker to a wyrm. However, enough flickers united form a star.

Bahamut: Children of Vana'diel. Unite and form a future in which mankind can survive.

Esha'ntarl: I have a feeling that he was waiting for you, desiring a confrontation.

Esha'ntarl: Bahamut pays respect to the strong, regardless of stature. It is for that reason he is called the Wyrmking.

Esha'ntarl: You must gather an army of adventurers and challenge him yet again. Show him the strength of mankind!


I think it's well within the lore for us to be able to convince him to lend us his power. He could also see his avatar(s) as a way to keep an eye on us.

Divinechild
11-16-2011, 05:46 PM
He is and I would gladly accept him no question, but eh after all we SMNs have endured we deserve to be able to summon down the teary-eyed fury of Altana as well!
I like this camiie person :)

Kristal
11-16-2011, 06:02 PM
Bahamut: You have delayed mankind's extinction yet again...

Bahamut: An age is a mere flicker to a wyrm. However, enough flickers united form a star.

Bahamut: Children of Vana'diel. Unite and form a future in which mankind can survive.

Esha'ntarl: I have a feeling that he was waiting for you, desiring a confrontation.

Esha'ntarl: Bahamut pays respect to the strong, regardless of stature. It is for that reason he is called the Wyrmking.

Esha'ntarl: You must gather an army of adventurers and challenge him yet again. Show him the strength of mankind!


I think it's well within the lore for us to be able to convince him to lend us his power. He could also see his avatar(s) as a way to keep an eye on us.

Keep in mind that is after we showed him that united we can defy the will of the wyrmking, and even that of a god. Before that, he considered us pests that endangered the existence of Vana'diel itself.
If the need arises, Bahamut could lend us his power.. but he would come in person, or sent his underlings. Bahamut is not a celestial/astral being that can manifest part of his essence to Gigaflare some pathetic bugs in Abyssea.

Eurell
11-16-2011, 09:15 PM
If the need arises, Bahamut could lend us his power.. but he would come in person, or sent his underlings. Bahamut is not a celestial/astral being that can manifest part of his essence to Gigaflare some pathetic bugs in Abyssea.

Not that I think we should be able to summon him, but Bahamut is no different than fenrir and carby right? If they can be summoned, than so can Bahamut I would imagine.

Camiie
11-16-2011, 09:22 PM
Bahamut is not a celestial/astral being that can manifest part of his essence to Gigaflare some pathetic bugs in Abyssea.

He's a Terrestrial like Carbuncle, Fenrir, Diabolos, and Phoenix. Phoenix obviously can't do much right now, but Carby, Fenrir, and Diabolos obviously have the ability you describe. It's not unreasonable to expect Bahamut to be able to do it as well.

Bottom line: There really is no reason we can't have Bahamut other than SE's desire for us not to.

Soranika
11-17-2011, 02:32 AM
When you think about it though from the story aspect, just cause we kick his butt doesn't mean he's going to yield. I can understand wanting to summoning him, it'll be cool and all but... it's STILL an FF game. I wouldn't want to break lore just for the sake of having.


but Bahamut is no different than fenrir and carby right?
Technically yes. But you have to look at it this way. Carbuncle willingly lends his power. So did Fenrir (Both willing and forced). Diabolos was reluctant to do so. Pheonix is... well...

From the story aspect, it's in Bahamut's right to give us the finger and continuing to do so.

I'm still at odds about being able to have Odin without being corrupted by the power like others have in the story, nevermind the fact that he's rather useless.

Neisan_Quetz
11-17-2011, 03:40 AM
Break what lore? Bahamut usually is on your side as a summon when he appears. Or should have been on your side in the case of IX...

Soranika
11-17-2011, 03:51 AM
Meant XI lore. Not FFXI as a whole. If jobs followed the guidelines of previous games, there'd be a lot less crying about melee RDM or WHM out curing other jobs and other stuff.... like having phoenix downs.

Neisan_Quetz
11-17-2011, 03:59 AM
There is nothing in the lore of XI preventing Bahamut from granting us a portion of his power and becoming a summon. SE simply said they had issues with his model, nothing more.

tyrantsyn
11-17-2011, 07:52 AM
Nothing in this game is written in stone that can't be re~written. Baha has always been one of the most popular summons of all the FF games. The fact that you can't summon him is XI so far is kind of a let down.

Leonlionheart
11-17-2011, 07:58 AM
I don't see why Bahamut can't act like a "Unbridled Learning" type of spell.

Activate JA on a medium to long recast timer, allow a spell similar to how Odin or Alexander work.

That's probably how Odin should work anyway, he's a waste of AF.

Tsukino_Kaji
11-17-2011, 10:45 AM
I don't want him to be, but you know he'll end up as a 2hr only smn hitting the mob with Mega Flare and leaving. He has to be nonelemental though.

Juri_Licious
11-17-2011, 11:15 AM
I do know that if they did add Bahamut in this game it would get a lot of Final Fantasy fans who haven't played FFXI interesting in trying it.

Every time I tell someone about the Summoner job to people who don't play FFXI, they always ask "Can you summon Bahamut" and are always disappointed by my answer.

Greatguardian
11-17-2011, 11:48 AM
The thing with size is that they'd need to basically rework his model for it to work. It really is not as simple as resizing in Bahamut's case. I mean, darn, it could be but really, how cool will you feel when microbahamut shows up to handle the case?

Personally, I say let's do Bahamut, but make him into a 2 hour summon to keep it simple. You wouldn't need to nerf his size or anything. Have him show up, megaflare something's ass off, and flap away back to where ever. And of course the be all end all of BC fights to obtain him. I'm talking Diabolos epic, where there's armies of players trying to beat him but pop out dead as a doorbell one after the other. V3, and this time he's madder than hell and he won't take it any lon-oh crap red proc nevermind he's dead.

Poor Shinryu. Coulda shoulda woulda been #1 if not for those pesky buffs and temps.

The problem with this is that anything that's even remotely difficult or even interesting for the top 1% of players will never, EVER, in a zillion years be completed by the other 99%. The difference in ability between players in this game is astronomical.

That's pretty much the problem with everything in FFXI right now. Either they make it legitimately challenging for high-end players and thus completely inaccessible to the vast majority of players, they make it easy/doable for the vast majority of players and thus an Abyssea yawnfest for mid/high-end players, or they make everything random as all P'tak like they did with Voidwatch.

Divinechild
11-17-2011, 02:28 PM
He's a Terrestrial like Carbuncle, Fenrir, Diabolos, and Phoenix. Phoenix obviously can't do much right now, but Carby, Fenrir, and Diabolos obviously have the ability you describe. It's not unreasonable to expect Bahamut to be able to do it as well.

Bottom line: There really is no reason we can't have Bahamut other than SE's desire for us not to.

I totally agree.

But i have a question for everyone... Isn't the pheonix still alive in WotG/Past, or shouldnt she be?
If so... couldn't we have get a quest to meet with her. I mean we can summon avatars we made pacts with in present time in the past, so why isn't the opposite true. We make a pact in the past that we can summon in the present.

Second question... couldn't we meet an alternate version of Bahamut in abyssea. One who would be willing to lend us his power. Since it is an alternate reality.

Anyone?

Teraniku
11-17-2011, 05:42 PM
I totally agree.

But i have a question for everyone... Isn't the pheonix still alive in WotG/Past, or shouldnt she be?
If so... couldn't we have get a quest to meet with her. I mean we can summon avatars we made pacts with in present time in the past, so why isn't the opposite true. We make a pact in the past that we can summon in the present.

Second question... couldn't we meet an alternate version of Bahamut in abyssea. One who would be willing to lend us his power. Since it is an alternate reality.

Anyone?

As far as Phoenix is concerned. If they decided to implement him / her, shouldn't be too hard to make a quest where you gather up Phoenix's scattered essence then take that to the top of Parradamo Tor to the cradle of rebirth. Then get warped to classic SMN Avatar Fight and win, get granted the ability to summon Phoenix.

Bahamut is tricky. 2 hour ability or huge mp cost to manifest, or average mp cost and huge Spell / ability mp cost. Then you have to decide whether he should be outside only considering how huge he is. I'd like to see him be able to be summoned by players in game, but there's a lot of balancing etc that needs to be done.

Divinechild
12-01-2011, 10:23 PM
I may have another reason why se doesn't want to release bahamut and the pheonix.
It's a pattern, Besides the six celestial avatars (fire,wind,water,ice,thunder,earth) se hasn't released any new avatars other than light and dark types.
carbuncle- light
fenrir-dark
diablos-dark
Alexander-light
Odin-dark
and soon...
Cait Sith-light
Atomos-dark.
I think going by this history pattern, this is one of their main reasons for not releasing bahamut or pheonix other than those other people have mentioned. Bahamut if released would either have to be a non-element type or fire type and pheonix would have to be a fire type. Food for thought?

Kimikryo
12-02-2011, 04:12 AM
bahamut as summon? honestly, it would make me begin playing smn as main job, but

I feel its a stupid idea ... in ffxi at least. FFXI the wyrm king, one o fthe mightiest entities in this game, a small shrimp, not even born during the war of the crystals, much less in the day of the beginnings and the pact. why should he come to the call of a little mithra. I dont think he is on good terms with taru, considering they enslaved fenrir.

I think I'd be to scared to dare to call upon him. He might kill everything in sight, including players npcs and mobs.

And btw.: Bahamut was always non elementalsas far as I remeber

for Phoenix, isnt it bound it tenzens sword? so for that to happen we need a new major add on, with tenzens homecountry and maybe phoenix goin crazy

Neisan_Quetz
12-02-2011, 04:24 AM
When has bahamut not been a powerful summon who helps you for whatever reason...

Kimikryo
12-02-2011, 04:27 AM
have you even started to play Chains of Promathia?

Neisan_Quetz
12-02-2011, 04:46 AM
Finished it, still not seeing what being the Wyrmking has to do with him not being a summon. He's a terrestrial avatar no different than Carbuncle and Fenrir, he just happens to be the strongest one (bar pheonix who is recuperating in Tenzen's sword).

All 6 Celestial Avatars, Odin, and Alexander are all more powerful than Bahamut (at the very least, the Celestials believe themselves to be Alexander and Odin most definitely are), and all of them are summonable.

Greatguardian
12-02-2011, 04:52 AM
Considering the Celestials all, quite literally, Want To Destroy The World, and we can control them, I'm pretty sure a Terrestrial like Bahamut won't be a problem.

Thanotos
12-02-2011, 05:02 AM
I vote for Knights of the Round. Would obviously have to be a 2 hour, can't have 13 avatars running around on one smner, and it should be such a spectacular visual effect that it causes a cutscene that everyone sees and the server crashes everytime. No but seriously the new 2 hour for smn should really be an awesome display of power of some sort and would love to see bahamut as avatar. I think a way they could tweak the current smn 2hr is to make it multihit, or cause a large dot on the targets it hits, i.e ifrit causes large burn dot (and i am not talking 10hp a click.) or a huge elemental resist down effect, like 50-75% of the mobs ele resist. Not sure if anyone ever had these ideas I dont get on smn forums much.

Tsukino_Kaji
12-02-2011, 08:13 AM
I may have another reason why se doesn't want to release bahamut and the pheonix.
It's a pattern, Besides the six celestial avatars (fire,wind,water,ice,thunder,earth) se hasn't released any new avatars other than light and dark types.
carbuncle- light
fenrir-dark
diablos-dark
Alexander-light
Odin-dark
and soon...
Cait Sith-light
Atomos-dark.
I think going by this history pattern, this is one of their main reasons for not releasing bahamut or pheonix other than those other people have mentioned. Bahamut if released would either have to be a non-element type or fire type and pheonix would have to be a fire type. Food for thought?Bahamut's been nonelemental in most other games.

Sonshou
12-03-2011, 01:27 PM
We can summon Phoenix if we're able to summon Tenzen.

Hey how about we have Tenzen as our summon? XD








Picturing Tenzen being summoned in french maid outfit.

Tsukino_Kaji
12-03-2011, 10:04 PM
Hey how about we have Tenzen as our summon? XDI would hurl him at stuff just so he will die over and over again.