Provenance Watcher mechanics for solo/new players.

[Belmonts]

Greetings,

I'd like to point out an issue that probably has been discussed before, the Provenance Watcher mechanics.

As a player who enjoys the game for its lore and content (yes, I actually read the stories and don't spam thru cutscenes :3) I find the displacers cost reduction with RoV completion a really great chance to catch up with one content I was unable to participate as much as I wish I could on its prime time, VoidWatch.

Wins are achievable with displacers at a really easy rate, things get a little tricky with tier IV mobs but is pretty much really manageable, until you hit the final wall, Provenance Watcher.

Not even to farm it for the now non-usable gear, just for the win and the probably small CS that follows. Provenance Watcher mechanics make to a lot of jobs (and the jobs who can must be really good geared) almost impossible to beat this final boss, even with full trust party, 119 gear and 5 displacers.

Long story short, my request is simple, even if it doesn't give anything in return on the rewards chest, please fix the Provenance Watcher mechanics to be beatable with trusts. Maybe able to get KI's with full white light at 100% like any other VW mechanic.

Some of the adds' auras are too absurd to beat this solo/duo, such as doom aura (since doom immunity drinks don't apply to trusts, they hopelessly die with drawn in ability cast on them every time if they have hate). Not to mention that ppl must waste a lot of their time killing the adds since they make boss 100% inmune to damage after a certain amount pops up. So you inevitably are doomed to time out on each try, then to farm the 3 KI set again...

So please, adjust this, a lot of people either are new to the game or don't bother ('cus even with lowman parties is a pain) or don't have the KI's to help. Making this non-achievable by any means.

Thank you.

P.S. Yes, there are a few youtube videos of ppl beating this solo, (a lot of them greatly geared and/or using third party tools ┐(-｡-; )┌ﾔﾚﾔﾚ) so I've seen them and I'm not wanting to risk my own account doing that, thank you. :3

[Domille]

+1

PW is soloable, but the effort just isn't worth it, and more than half the jobs can't really do it.

Stuning trusts are vital (unless your job stuns). Stunning magic prevents the DT adds, but some spells are too fast to stun. Trust AI isn't smart enough to kill fetters without retargetting, and while you do that, he spawns another one, it's annoying.

Had a hard time soloing this one for someone, so I know the pain.

I don't realistically know how they could adjust it to make it possible to solo... doom fetter is just plain lame.

I'd really like to see the list of procs be reduced/only ones that are possible if solo. Smarter trust AI. Less frequent spell casting from PW.

But, pipe dreams.

[Eckamus]

Unless they have changed things, last time I did providence with VW event on, the capped lights didn't apply to this zone. Not sure why it isn't included in the VW campaign. SE would be best to answer that.

[Belmonts]

+1

PW is soloable, but the effort just isn't worth it, and more than half the jobs can't really do it.

Stuning trusts are vital (unless your job stuns). Stunning magic prevents the DT adds, but some spells are too fast to stun. Trust AI isn't smart enough to kill fetters without retargetting, and while you do that, he spawns another one, it's annoying.

Had a hard time soloing this one for someone, so I know the pain.

I don't realistically know how they could adjust it to make it possible to solo... doom fetter is just plain lame.

I'd really like to see the list of procs be reduced/only ones that are possible if solo. Smarter trust AI. Less frequent spell casting from PW.

But, pipe dreams.

Even with stun-spell trusts, like Robel-Akbel or Zeid II (cus I don't count tank trust's shield bash since it takes forever to recast) they stun the same thing since the AI is not complex enough for them to take turns. So yeah they are not up for the task, sadly. And yeah some spells are insta-cast...

One or two kindly helped me out in the past, but the adds are so annoying we always timed out. Eventually, they gave up on helping me (and I don't blame 'em at all) 'cus is really a pain in the neck. (>Д<; )

[Belmonts]

Unless they have changed things, last time I did providence with VW event on, the capped lights didn't apply to this zone. Not sure why it isn't included in the VW campaign. SE would be best to answer that.

Correct me if I am mistaken, but full lights don't apply to only abyssea? Have not a clue on that.

But yeah, the mob mechanics need to be checked out for ppl with trust and lowman can get the simple win. Is not a relevant content anymore, I want the win and the CS that comes with it as any other expansion/mini expansion.

[BlackHalo714]

I agree mechanics for this NM are tricky. Best way I found is to duo beastmaster with a decent geared blackmage. I use pondering peter and spam whirl claws hits all the physical adds, the blackmage does low aeo nukes hits the magical ones. Just stay away from the doom adds and it becomes pretty easy. Good luck.

[Belmonts]

I agree mechanics for this NM are tricky. Best way I found is to duo beastmaster with a decent geared blackmage. I use pondering peter and spam whirl claws hits all the physical adds, the blackmage does low aeo nukes hits the magical ones. Just stay away from the doom adds and it becomes pretty easy. Good luck.

Thanks for the advice, sounds really helpful indeed. (´・ω・)

Unfortunately, that requires at least 2 more players aside me with the requirements to enter who aren't as bothered as other ppl were to try this NM again.

I agree with pet strategy cus normally (and I mean has been super common in my tries), thunder and darkness (stun and doom aura) appear and that means pretty much fail in that run.... (´；ω；｀)

Thing also is that a lot of players really don't want to touch this NM ever. Was a pain back in the 18 ppl kill and now lowman is a pain.

[Diavolo]

Thing also is that a lot of players really don't want to touch this NM ever. Was a pain back in the 18 ppl kill and now lowman is a pain.

Dangle a carrot. Defeating Provenance Watcher grants a vorseal and almost everyone spends some time in Escha/Reisenjima. This is how I persuaded some LS mates to come along with me a while back.

[Belmonts]

I don't realistically know how they could adjust it to make it possible to solo... doom fetter is just plain lame.

I'd really like to see the list of procs be reduced/only ones that are possible if solo. Smarter trust AI. Less frequent spell casting from PW.

But, pipe dreams.

Maybe reducing the adds' HP:
5000 HP per add is a lot to deal with lowman. As other ppl said: a well geared mage... but that is only to deal with non magic-inmune adds.

Also, make adds spawning at (low?) random rate when it makes a TP move or casts a spell instead of 100% spawn rate when it does those things.

In addition, negating some auras like doom or stun.

Hmmm, maybe even with all its adds out, make PW resistance go only to 50% instead of full blown 100% immunity.

All this, of course, with 5 displacers. And maybe with 3 or less ppl (?)

Idk, just giving ideas...

[Belmonts]

Dangle a carrot. Defeating Provenance Watcher grants a vorseal and almost everyone spends some time in Escha/Reisenjima. This is how I persuaded some LS mates to come along with me a while back.

Lots of ppl I actually know hasn't gone that far into VoidWatch storyline to get Provenance Watcher access. And if they do, they really don't "find" any value on that Vorseal to face this NM again, their memories of trying it and failing haunt them. (￣д￣)

But I'll keep trying, sadly I haven't been on enough time and I find pretty selfish from my part to bother 'em with this ordeal.

Thanks for the suggestion. (´・ω・)

[BlackHalo714]

Understand completly. Even with 5 displacers 119 Ilvl gear it is still one of the toughest NM's in the game. Mechanics with the fetters make it even more challenging. I think losing and re farming the KI's (unless you purchase/aqcuire from other VWNM's) is the real turn off. The caturae NM's have mechanics that make them tough also.

[Nyarlko]

Unless they have changed things, last time I did providence with VW event on, the capped lights didn't apply to this zone. Not sure why it isn't included in the VW campaign. SE would be best to answer that.

They have answered before. Basically, the entire concept/system of "lights" is not present in the zone, so the campaign's buff to lights is unable to affect it. :( You still actually need to white proc to be sure of getting any of the KIs, but at least the procs still work and displacers can still be used. (If you are gunning for the KIs, them just be careful about killing it too fast as you need that white proc!)

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BLU works pretty well for soloing using a magic aoe spell setup. Just make sure to set a few physical heavy hitters to take out the magic immune fetters. In my experience, it usually went faster if I didn't use tank trusts and tanked myself to allow for /fume usage, but also run the risk of unlucky deaths since it did something that killed me though it's been a long time since I completed VW and don't remember all the details. (Maybe a breath move?) Honestly though, the difficulty goes down significantly if you can get 2-3 bodies in there instead of soloing. The design of the fight basically calls for at least tank+phys.aoeDD+magic.aoeDD. BLU/BST can cover both DD roles relatively easily, but BST can't really tank against pet. Got my initial clear with my BST many moons ago, but normally help others using BLU since it tends to be a lot simpler. Your best bet would be to find 1-2 others who can cover those 3x roles together with you, remember to use displacers, and prioritize killing fetters over boss.

[Belmonts]

Understand completly. Even with 5 displacers 119 Ilvl gear it is still one of the toughest NM's in the game. Mechanics with the fetters make it even more challenging. I think losing and re farming the KI's (unless you purchase/aqcuire from other VWNM's) is the real turn off. The caturae NM's have mechanics that make them tough also.

Even if I have to stay for an eternity to /fume and wait for me or a trust to be able to proc white for the KI to drop, catuare are not as a pain as PW, since at least ppl can win.

Is hell of a chore each time? Oh yeah...

Another reason ppl don't want to keep trying since takes a lot of time to get the 3 KI set AND they don't want to spend cruor for w/e the reason.

[Belmonts]

They have answered before. Basically, the entire concept/system of "lights" is not present in the zone, so the campaign's buff to lights is unable to affect it. :( You still actually need to white proc to be sure of getting any of the KIs, but at least the procs still work and displacers can still be used. (If you are gunning for the KIs, them just be careful about killing it too fast as you need that white proc!)

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BLU works pretty well for soloing using a magic aoe spell setup. Just make sure to set a few physical heavy hitters to take out the magic immune fetters. In my experience, it usually went faster if I didn't use tank trusts and tanked myself to allow for /fume usage, but also run the risk of unlucky deaths since it did something that killed me though it's been a long time since I completed VW and don't remember all the details. (Maybe a breath move?) Honestly though, the difficulty goes down significantly if you can get 2-3 bodies in there instead of soloing. The design of the fight basically calls for at least tank+phys.aoeDD+magic.aoeDD. BLU/BST can cover both DD roles relatively easily, but BST can't really tank against pet. Got my initial clear with my BST many moons ago, but normally help others using BLU since it tends to be a lot simpler. Your best bet would be to find 1-2 others who can cover those 3x roles together with you, remember to use displacers, and prioritize killing fetters over boss.

Thanks for the advice, Nyariko. (´・ω・)

Unfortunately I don't have BLU leveled, and well... the thing about getting buds to help me out fall in the category I previously explained, thus the reason I ask for a reevaluation of the PW mechanics. But I won't give up fer sure.

(*'ω'*)

[Belmonts]

Bump,

We have currently a VoidWatch campaign, and even though many people are catching up getting KIs I really would like that SE would consider to adjust Provenance Watcher mechanics, since even though we have ilvl gear now, the adds' mechanics gives this fight too much tasks to do, making PW virtually invincible.

Please at least make it have -50% less damage taken with full adds spawned rather than -100% if we pop it with 5 displacers and the party is at max with 3 members... it was doable with an alliance back in the days but is too much multitasking for a solo-duo player at the moment.

Thank you.

[Secondplanet]

Please at least make it have -50% less damage taken with full adds' spawned rather than -100% if we pop it with 5 displacers and the party is at max with 3 members... it was doable with an alliance back in the days but is too much multitasking for a solo-duo player at the moment.

Thank you.

How do you use Displacers on this fight? i tried trading to the crystal and nothing so had to rough it out and beat it without.

[Belmonts]

How do you use Displacers on this fight? i tried trading to the crystal and nothing so had to rough it out and beat it without.

You don't trade displacers to the crystal, if my memory serves me well, there is a planar rift in the same area where you can trade your displacers. Will confirm it later. (´・ω・)

[Songen]

2 man strat for this is self SCing high DD job and a high magic acc with a secondary nuking set rdm. take the mob to 50% since it won't pop fetters 100% before that, at 55% make sure all fetters are dead if by chance it did pop one, then @ 50% have rdm pop stymie and sabatour and then silence with the magic acc set. after that go to town on the mob with the rdm MBing in between, the silence won't last long so at this point you gotta finish it off fast. if your DDs strong enough this should be a easy win with this strat.

As a heads up, it can't or rarely immunobreaks, so don't bother, this NM itself is extremely easy, its only the fetters that make this extremely hard

[Songen]

You don't trade displacers to the crystal, if my memory serves me well, there is a planar rift in the same area where you can trade your displacers. Will confirm it later. (´・ω・)

there is a rift you trade displacers to