How about an out of Abyssea primeval brew purchased with CP, ISP, or AN?

[Zarchery]

Just a thought. Might be a good way to encourage activity outside Abyssea. Particularly to encourage Campaigning.

Maybe don't make them cost 200,000 of whatever currency. Make it some fraction of that. Like 40,000 ISP.

[Khajit]

No.



No..

















No...

[Gokku]

hell yes i need to solo AV 3 times then 2 PW's also since ill just abuse the moogle book to hold the brew timer.... yea no

[Natenn]

I don't think this will ever happen, its bad enough just having it in abyssea. I'll use it cause its there but i don't really "need" it to kill anything. Besides Shinryu i can kill anything in abyssea with my LS. Never tried to legit shinryu bc everyone wanted to burn through gear.

[Yugl]

Do all 75 horns of Apademak legitimately then speak bud.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It would cost way too many points that people don't have anymore.

[Vold]

It would cost way too many points that people don't have anymore.But it would certainly get people back into those areas for those points to buy those brews. Also not everyone threw away CP on aketons to sell... I'm sure there's plenty of points to be spent.

Regardless it's just a dumb idea, or I should say it'd be a dumb idea to bother with brewing outside of Abyssea. It's dumb because there's only three NMs outside of Abyssea that it'd be worth using it on. JoL > AV and PW. And even then the drop rates aren't exactly Abyssea quality. Eh I guess technically speaking there's only like 3 Abyssea mobs worth using them on too so whatev. It's just that they're more useful in Abyssea across the board because of almost certain drops. Still, I suppose it couldn't hurt to throw brews in just for kicks. Say, a million CP/AN/IS. Anyone who bought one of those suckers damn well deserve their easy 3 AVs and 2 PW kills I'd say.

[Tohihroyu]

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[Daniel_Hatcher]

No.



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No...

Quoted for truth. How about removing Primeval Brew for good instead.

[Orson]

Doubt they'd ever do this but it's not like it would have any negative side to it.

[Seha]

For Altana NO!

[Charismatic]

Doubt they'd ever do this but it's not like it would have any negative side to it.

Sure it would. It would impact all of the new content they are adding in the future making everything a joke if you have enough points.
It's fine for the Abyssea generation but I'd like for the game to have some challenge in it somewhere again someday.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Doubt they'd ever do this but it's not like it would have any negative side to it.

It would, considering any buff gained in Abyssea, would turn to a negative outside. It does say as much in the storyline, or what there is on a storyline Abyssea has.

So
-999 Stats
-9999 HP
-300 Regen and Refresh
-90 Regain
+90% Damage Taken

etcetera...

[Mezzopiano]

No, just no. Ever.

[Denabond]

I say if they implement this, they also toss in a NM that rages when someone uses a brew and casts Deathga.

[SNK]

Seriously.... I know it's been said before but just.... Hell no..










Really just.... No.





In case you missed it the 1st two times..... No.

[Kwate]

No, it would break the game.....seriously.

[Glamdring]

How about a shooting spree in the developer's office if they even consider this idea?

There is a brew equivalent to campaign, it's called being level 90. The mobs don't stand a chance unless you completely suck. Like updating your facebook status and watching youtube when you should be concentrating.

[Orson]

Sure it would. It would impact all of the new content they are adding in the future making everything a joke if you have enough points.
It's fine for the Abyssea generation but I'd like for the game to have some challenge in it somewhere again someday.

You can actually fight the NMs without brews if you want a challenge. People make it out like you have to use brews. The only thing that's really unbalanced about them is that people are exploiting them using chests and such.

Also based on the storyline it wouldn't make sense either, so ya like I said doubt it'll ever happen.

[saevel]

Brews are useful when you need to get 50 sobek skins or 75 Alfard drops. Doing those one at a time for 4~5 people is a ginormous waste of time, especially when everyone involved already has all the other drops they want. Nothing inside of abysea is hard to kill, seriously between crour buffs and atma's you can be a walking god without a brew. Some of the NM's are cheap, with stuff like en-Doom and other OMFG WTF "die" buttons. That just makes them annoyingly cheap not hard, its fake difficulty. Brews save time inside abyssea.

That being said, there is absolutely ~zero~ reason to have a brew available outside. Being 90 already makes all the old content "easy" and any new content shouldn't need it either. BTW there is a difference between "fake difficulty" and real difficulty, I suggest people read up on it before asking to make things "challenging".

[Sparthos]

You can actually fight the NMs without brews if you want a challenge. People make it out like you have to use brews. The only thing that's really unbalanced about them is that people are exploiting them using chests and such.

Also based on the storyline it wouldn't make sense either, so ya like I said doubt it'll ever happen.

The option exists and therein is the problem.

2m cruor brews were perfectly fine. It allowed you to save up cruor to get godmode in order to make your dreams come true when you hit a mob for 50k dmg then mirrored again with a skillchain. Epeen fuel, ok.

The existance of 200k brews was surprisingly bad judgment . No one is going to join you for a challenge (legit Shinryu/Rani) when you can easily just beat Shinryu and brew anything else you need on your own time. I don't even know why SE bothered to make Shinryu attack when I can simply walk in, pop brew and 3shot him with Sanguine Blade.

There would be no problem with stuff if the brews had remained @2m even if people used the martellos to freeze timers. The problem exists where brewing is pretty much something you can rotate to defeat anything in Abyssea so long as you use the proper WS.

Jeez, you'd think developers would understand the "Gameshark effect" of all things.

[Mirage]

I don't want vanadiel-brews, but I sure want some new fancy stuff to use my CP/IS/AN on :p.

[Natenn]

I been doin Apademak legit, its a joke lol. Dhorme is harder.

[Zaknafein]

Way to fail at life OP'r.

[Charismatic]

The option exists and therein is the problem.

2m cruor brews were perfectly fine. It allowed you to save up cruor to get godmode in order to make your dreams come true when you hit a mob for 50k dmg then mirrored again with a skillchain. Epeen fuel, ok.

The existance of 200k brews was surprisingly bad judgment . No one is going to join you for a challenge (legit Shinryu/Rani) when you can easily just beat Shinryu and brew anything else you need on your own time. I don't even know why SE bothered to make Shinryu attack when I can simply walk in, pop brew and 3shot him with Sanguine Blade.

There would be no problem with stuff if the brews had remained @2m even if people used the martellos to freeze timers. The problem exists where brewing is pretty much something you can rotate to defeat anything in Abyssea so long as you use the proper WS.

Jeez, you'd think developers would understand the "Gameshark effect" of all things.

Exactly.

The whole "you can brew if you want a challenge" line was pretty short-sighted. It's not like I'll generally be able to if the rest of the community is in brew-fest mode since this isn't a solo game for the most part.

[Shadobi]

Maybe choose one atma with signet but brew um no thanks.

[Therin]

They could make it a temporary item bought from a Campaign Arbiter that only works during Campaign.

But being able to brew AV, etc. would take far too much away from the game.

[Randwolf]

Just a thought. Might be a good way to encourage activity outside Abyssea. Particularly to encourage Campaigning.

Maybe don't make them cost 200,000 of whatever currency. Make it some fraction of that. Like 40,000 ISP.

No, as others have said.

[MarkovChain]

Just a thought. Might be a good way to encourage activity outside Abyssea. Particularly to encourage Campaigning.

Maybe don't make them cost 200,000 of whatever currency. Make it some fraction of that. Like 40,000 ISP.

Yes but only for AV.

[Greatguardian]

AV can be killed by 8-10 or fewer players worth a shit anyways. Brews are fun, but they have no place outside Abyssea.

[Mrbeansman]

Exactly.

The whole "you can brew if you want a challenge" line was pretty short-sighted. It's not like I'll generally be able to if the rest of the community is in brew-fest mode since this isn't a solo game for the most part.

I find it hard to believe that you are the only person who wants to fight things in abyssea without a brew. In fact I've seen 2 or 3 people in this thread alone who share this opinion.

[Nikia]

I personally think it is a fine idea.
FFXI has changed and the old ways dont fit anymore. No more huge groups to kill things and HNMLSs are pretty much dead.
I love to play solo and if i decide to brew JoL then AV just for kicks then why not?
It has a 3 min duration even if you lock the timer it is still just 3 min at the end of the day.
I will say that there are few things at 90+ that require a brew unless you just want to do solo for kicks but spending 100k IS/AN/CP isnt going to break the game.
To bash him for wanting to have that option is just silly. It more than likely will not happen but I for one wouldnt mind seeing it. I for one would only Brew PW and that is just for the Atma 90-99 gear will more than likely beat out most anything AV PW would give you.

[Catsby]

What would you use it on anyway? The only reason why people use brews now is to clear bullshit magian trials for empyrean weapons or kill Rani.

[Rezeak]

sure just make it cost 10,000 Byne Bill, R. Goldpiece and a R. Stripeshell then it'll be Balanced.

In other words: NO

[Kraggy]

Love all the e-peeners screaming NO because they fear their we're-oh-so-special toys are going to become more freely available to those with real lives and not part of a hard-core, basement-dwelling linkshell.

[Denabond]

Love all the e-peeners screaming NO because they fear their we're-oh-so-special toys are going to become more freely available to those with real lives and not part of a hard-core, basement-dwelling linkshell.
Actually its more like we don't want to simply go SUPERMAN on everything and take make everything easy. Leave some challenge in the game.

[LeaderofAtlantis]

Ok I want to be polite and respectful, because I do sympathize a little bit with the people wishing to have the Brew available outside of the game on the one hand, but in the end, I disagree with the idea of putting the Brew anywhere outside of Abyssea (or even an Atma as someone suggested). Let me explain.

First off, it was pointed out already that, in the Abyssea story, the Atma and probably the Brew effect us differently inside Abyssea than those things affect the Abysseans themselves. Now at the same time, their power my surpass ours in Vana'diel, I don't know, I haven't gotten through much in the way of story yet due to my main play times which leads to me to my next point....

Second, I can sympathize with you guys because I know that sometimes, it can be difficult to go fight some creatures you might want to fight, but very few seem to do anymore (like Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden), and the Brew would give you the option to go fight them, but to what end? You wouldn't really be experiencing the thrill of fighting these creatures as you effectively rip them limb from limb and they look back at their existence wondering what they could've possibly done to deserve the massive beat down you would be delivering upon them. You would get their gear that you might have wanted, but so what? If you can effectively just Brew anything and everything, all gear become irrelevant now doesn't it? So that leads me to believe that really, you only want said gear for "e-peen" (as it's been named) status. Again, human vanity being what it is, I understand.

Third, the Brew kind of cheapens accomplishments. There's nothing in the game that tells me "this guy beat Shinryu with the Brew and that guy beat him without." Yes it's a game, but if they took the time to make a challenge for us outside of Abyssea, I think they'd like for us to do more than just Brew it. I don't yet own a Relic weapon, but I've been patiently working on one for years - making sure not to exploit others to get it. Many friends have helped me with many things and already, once I get to the last 2 stages, they've promised to help me. THAT is where our strength should come from in an online game - not solo in easy mode. I basically look at Abyssea as a play place for us to experience the power we've witnessed Maat in Campaign or General Rughadjeen in Besieged unleash time and again. I feel it's like being able to introduce a Game Shark into FFXI for some fun and the Brew is the "God Mode" code.

Finally, to those people being jerks to those that want this - calm the hell down. It's a game. They're mentioning their desire and you can politely say "it's not a good idea because..." There's not really any reason you should be rude to them. Not all of you saying no have been, but those who have need to chill.... please.

[Zarchery]

Looks like I hit a nerve. Is everyone running around out there with a million conquest, imperial standing, and allied points? You act like this would be some kind of epidemic with everyone carrying 50 of these things at all times.

And I wasn't particularly thinking of brewing monsters that are easy for groups; I was thinking about making these beasts soloable. Also incentivizing the collection of CP, ISP, and AN. Most of the time, this so-called "challenge" that everyone is braying about being lost has nothing to do with the power of the monsters and everything to do with gathering the necessary humans to assist.