Please reconsider allowing us to spend job points on other jobs.

[OmnysValefor]

I know you've said in the past that you want Job Points to be earned per job, but there's a flaw in this line of thought: People that really commit themselves to certain jobs find they're always in demand on that job (WHM, GEO, PLD, RUN). Other jobs just aren't very welcome or welcome at all in a lot of CP parties (SMN, RDM, BRD).

I have a very well rounded Paladin. I have gear sets for every situation and many sub jobs. I feel like the best way that I can help my friends is to be taking the hits, knowing that I can handle them better than any of them.

On the other hand, like Bard in days past--if you have an Idris, you may as well mule your other jobs, because people will want you on GEO.

The same desire for, and exclusion of, certain jobs existed in merit parties in the past (BLM, BRD, PLD, THF really weren't welcome at birds--everything was RDM, BRD, SAM, WAR, NIN, DRG, etc) but it was easily remedied because you could gain merits intended for one jobs on other jobs.

It's to the point I cringe when my Paladin or Blue Mage gains a job point. (BLU is very nearly capped, more than 400 JP over cap). There's nothing I can do with them.

I'd be fine if it was a conversion rate even, or something we set in a menu. Job Points > Earn for > [Job List], even if the conversion worked off of the target job's JP gifts (this would actually be ideal). So say I want to earn 103 JP SCH while on my 2100 paladin--I'd gain job points at the rate my SCH would earn them, not my PLD.

[VoiceMemo]

Other jobs just aren't very welcome or welcome at all in a lot of CP parties (SMN, RDM, BRD).


Maybe on Asura we're just different? As those 3 jobs are fine in Apex parties, brd was my first job to master, which I got from Apex parties. And I've taken SMN and RDM before to apex parties and did at least 100jp/hr.

[OmnysValefor]

It's quite possible, you're on the highest population server, I'm on one of the lowest, but I've never been in a JP party with a bard. I put them together frequently and shout for bards sometimes (depends on other jobs) and have never gotten a bite.

I feel like a number of Bards accept that GEO is superior and don't bother CPing it right now.

In any case, it would be nice if in events like Vagary, which bleed JP, I could forward those JP to other jobs since noone needs me on my dnc. They need me on my PLD or GEO.

[OmnysValefor]

Further on this line of thought, there are so many ways to earn JP in this game without actually playing the job as it's meant to be played, like leeching which many people still do. All the restriction does, I think, is inhibit unwelcome jobs or people who come to events like vagary or incursion on the necessary jobs while others fill in slots on more varied jobs.

[Jile]

God help me if SE messes this suggestion up but.... if they were to adjust camps that people (DO NOT USE) to allow for setups for lesser used jobs (easy to detect if SE looks at the least common JP'd jobs) and setup those camps to best suit those jobs. We might see more maxed out 'alternate' jobs and a wider range of invites and options for setup when limited ranges of jobs are available or desired to gain JP on.

[OmnysValefor]

Two things

1.) There are camps of varying levels that people don't use because people, no matter how much they play, want efficiency. Raptors and crawlers exist, but never perform quite as well as magic burst parties. This is because of the weakness of melee honestly.

2.) I didn't do very well at highlighting this in my OP but, I want to be able to earn JP for jobs like my sch, nin, run, bst, whm, etc while I'm doing Ambuscade, Incursion, Vagary, UNMs, etc--while I'm on my PLD or GEO since these are usually the jobs I'm desired on.

This is one thing Abyssea did well. Merits (which many people still needed plenty of back then) were a byproduct of endgame. JP is in some events but they're locked to the job you're on.

If SE would implement this, I'd be fine with the 900 JP wasted between all my capped jobs. Call it a loss, because I'd be happy being able to spend newly earned JP on other jobs.

[Zeldar]

I think the easiest solution for you may be to grab a group of friends and get job points that way. I'm not sure if I agree with using JOB points earned on one job for another job. How are you "mastering" say RDM by playing on PLD? Again, the problem is not in the system itself, but in the communities outlook on certain jobs.

[xiozen]

I think the easiest solution for you may be to grab a group of friends and get job points that way. I'm not sure if I agree with using JOB points earned on one job for another job. How are you "mastering" say RDM by playing on PLD? Again, the problem is not in the system itself, but in the communities outlook on certain jobs.

This. Agreed... OP sounds like a good suggestion but in actuality I believe it defeats the overall purpose behind the "Master" title...yea it takes A LONG time on quite a few jobs to realize mastering it but the gifts system seems to balance out that job's functionality upon hitting 2100 job points.

[OmnysValefor]

On paper, earning JP for the job on the job makes sense. In practice, it doesn't work as well for a lot of jobs.

Also, capacity parties don't teach a whole lot about playing your job and leeching JP as someone else cleaves certainly doesn't. Most of the events that do require proper play reward awful JP in comparison to a single crab kill which can consistently be done in 15 seconds. (Sinister Reign, Geas Fete, Ambuscade)

[Zeldar]

I don't know, I think you learn a lot about your job in a CP party...most importantly you learn that these days a DD can't hit crap without a decent acc+ set and some support, lol.

[Ketaru]

I don't know, I think you learn a lot about your job in a CP party...most importantly you learn that these days a DD can't hit crap without a decent acc+ set and some support, lol.

If the benchmark for earning CP is to accurately hit CP mobs, I think they could do have reduced HP at least. As things stand now, magic bursting is a requirement to kill Apex mobs at an acceptable rate- otherwise you are probably just as good killing Reisenjima mobs as fast as possible.

You can get away with having a trust healer, a trust tank, and even a trust damage dealer like Shantotto II since she never misses and reliably closes. As it stands now, you will not get away with a trust nuker however. That's a lot of weight favoring one particular role.

[Immortta]

Can't they just make Apex mobs that are very favorable to melee and not mages? That way mages can stick to MBing the magic squishy ones and then melee can zerg down the defensively squishy ones. Like how nobody would ever bring a BLM to colibri camps so they went to pudding camps instead. Give the melee apex very low HP but take almost no magic dmg.

[Ketaru]

Can't they just make Apex mobs that are very favorable to melee and not mages? That way mages can stick to MBing the magic squishy ones and then melee can zerg down the defensively squishy ones. Like how nobody would ever bring a BLM to colibri camps so they went to pudding camps instead. Give the melee apex very low HP but take almost no magic dmg.

That would be incredibly artificial and thinly veiled. It could also threaten to make melee burn the du jour way to get points again, leaving mages to fend for themselves. I'm just saying "Can you hit this crab?" seems like an awfully reductive way to view the merits of the current Job Point system, as is the way we're placing this sacred importance on the title "Job Master." Is a modestly geared individual who capped all their JP by slowly fighting Very Tough mobs in Reisenjima for several months a "Job Master"?

Not that I personally see anything wrong with getting JP slowly over time, if you're in no rush.

[Diavolo]

I'm not sure if I agree with using JOB points earned on one job for another job. How are you "mastering" say RDM by playing on PLD?

I've seen plenty of people with stars over their heads demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of even the bare basics regarding their jobs, so trying to use the argument that a player with 2100 Job Points is automatically a master doesn't fly with me. It's in our nature to find the most efficient way towards a common goal and, that being the case, it's not difficult to understand why some jobs would have a more difficult time accumulating JPs than others in the current environment. The real question is what would the down side be to having more "master" jobs running around? Maybe it would be the incentive some need to play the more popular jobs and, in turn, bring more of the less popular jobs out of the woodwork after they've accumulated enough JPs, convincing players to give them another look.

[Zeldar]

Its just my feeling that if you want the best abilities and stats for a job, you should earn them on that job. I guess thats the simplest way to say it. I also wouldnt want every single beastmaster having an easy way to "master" every job. CP are an extension of the leveling system. Would you ever say "I want to be able to level my PLD from 1-75 , but I want to earn that EXP on BLM!"?

[Ketaru]

Would you ever say "I want to be able to level my PLD from 1-75 , but I want to earn that EXP on BLM!"?

Well, I was able to do that with my merits, so...

[Zeldar]

Its getting to the point where people refuse to see common sense and are arguing just to argue. You have beat me into submission. From here I will just let the devs read the posts and decide for themselves which makes sense.

[Sicycre]

Hello there, everyone.

Job points were designed around the concept of enhancing a particular job by earning job points while playing it. Consider that it is essentially building a stronger affinity for a job, and if we were to make it possible to spend job points on any job, it would go against the said concept.

As such, there are no plans to change how job points can be obtained at the moment.

[Zeldar]

Thanks Sicycre. Makes perfect sense to me !

[Paridise]

Job point in the beginning said 30 per category , is this happening some day? Are we getting more to use the 500 stored on the popular jobs?

[detlef]

That was before they introduced Gifts. I wouldn't expect to see any major modifications to the Job Point system at this point.

[OmnysValefor]

Consider that it is essentially building a stronger affinity for a job, and if we were to make it possible to spend job points on any job, it would go against the said concept.

I'll keep that in mind as I pass the afk players earning job points while they sleep or the few people flat-out botting JP.

[Ketaru]

Job point in the beginning said 30 per category , is this happening some day? Are we getting more to use the 500 stored on the popular jobs?

Apparently not. They will just continue going to waste.

[Catmato]

Job point in the beginning said 30 per category , is this happening some day? Are we getting more to use the 500 stored on the popular jobs?
I doubt it. I could be wrong, but I think the only place they showed 30 points per category was the in preview screenshot when they first announced job points.