FFXI has lost all concept of being FFXI!

[Sirmarki]

So yesterday I decided to go and CP SMN solo for a while at my own pace, killing a very small amount of monsters in a little corner.

As I zoned in to the area, there were three characters standing there, doing nothing with constant JP/Merits popping above their heads.

There was one char running around on BLU, near them, absolutely slaughtering groups of monsters at once with AOE magic (including the little groups of monsters I was fighting)..

Now, these 3 characters just standing there, are going to earn the title "Master" by, simply, standing there. How many more games is this even possible? To get the ultimate rank, by simply standing there?

[Ketaru]

The game did what it needed to survive. No further explanation is owed to you than that.

More players are going to quit when the most relevant content in the game is a far off dream than those who would quit because the method of powerlevelling these days is kind of hammy. For those who want to level at a slower, deliberate pace and enjoy the scenery often underappreciated these days, you're still welcome to do that. I'm thinking of slowly leveling a job myself when this CP campaign ends.

[Ulth]

Ha! job master the ultimate rank? Not even close. I turn my stars off because it's so pointless, (that and they look like they were drawn in MS paint). Ooh I can perfect dodge 15 minutes sooner, big freaking whoop.

If people want to leech so be it. Not exactly a new concept. Remember when abby burn parties were all the rage?

[Olor]

LOL omg seriously people have been powerleveling people for ages this is nothing new.

[Sirmarki]

Power leveling was different then, it meant you played your character, and you were healed by someone else whom was typically higher.

So someone get's PL'ed from 1-99 then 0-2100JP without doing a thing..... Explains why a whole host of clueless people emerged. Thieves not knowing what Trick Attack is, WHM's thinking Cure is the only thing they do, and so on.

Like I said, name a game where you can get to maximum level without even moving?

[Immortta]

Those could have been the guys mules. Even if everyone was forced to get their own job points, do you really think it takes someone whos the best at their job to grind away to job master? You could take even the worst player and if they kept at it long enough they could get job master killing the easiest of monsters. It really doesn't mean anything and good players can still clear content even though they leeched CP...

[detlef]

First of all, this kind of powerleveling has been around for awhile. You can argue whether it's good or bad, but the point is it's been around a long time. Korroloka Astral burns, Abyssea cleave parties. Plus, I think you're downplaying your definition of powerleveling. Having an outside healer means replacing the healing role in a PT with either another DD or a support job. That's huge, and back in the day it made a big difference. Can you imagine a Ronfaure [S] PT with 2 BRDs instead of a BRD and a WHM? Do you remember giving a level 1 player Nitro songs and disbanding? That was a thing too.

But really, you shouldn't worry about what other people are doing if they aren't impacting your play, especially if they aren't violating the ToS. It's obnoxious.

[Sirmarki]

But really, you shouldn't worry about what other people are doing if they aren't impacting your play, especially if they aren't violating the ToS. It's obnoxious.

It was impacting my play, I was killing within a small collection of monsters (4 in total) and he was wiping half the zone in one-two AOE shots.. He then tells me "Please go away"... If you refer to the terms, then yes, that is breaking them.

Being a SMN in this zone, I was limited to this spot, as the other "camps" have elementals that my (starter) SMN would not be able to take with ease. Of course, they aggro magic.

[Urmom]

So basically things in regards to pling are the same way they've been since what 2005?

[xiozen]

So yesterday I decided to go and CP SMN solo for a while at my own pace, killing a very small amount of monsters in a little corner.

As I zoned in to the area, there were three characters standing there, doing nothing with constant JP/Merits popping above their heads.

There was one char running around on BLU, near them, absolutely slaughtering groups of monsters at once with AOE magic (including the little groups of monsters I was fighting)..

Now, these 3 characters just standing there, are going to earn the title "Master" by, simply, standing there. How many more games is this even possible? To get the ultimate rank, by simply standing there?

This isn't anything new... ole' school FFXI had power leveling...dual boxing to power level your "other other other" character on multiple accounts... then came abyssea---key person m'kay in La'Thiene...yes, please... now we stand in corner and reap the benefits of blu'burnin' mobs to capitalize on the xp'cp chain event...

It is what it is... just enjoy this long lasting lovin' game while it's active...cause this stuff's not changing anytime soon.

[detlef]

As I zoned in to the area, there were three characters standing there, doing nothing with constant JP/Merits popping above their heads.So he was already there when you got to the camp?


It was impacting my play, I was killing within a small collection of monsters (4 in total) and he was wiping half the zone in one-two AOE shots.. He then tells me "Please go away"... If you refer to the terms, then yes, that is breaking them.

Being a SMN in this zone, I was limited to this spot, as the other "camps" have elementals that my (starter) SMN would not be able to take with ease. Of course, they aggro magic.Yeah it sucks when you want to do something and someone else is already there. In this case I think you're perfectly justified picking off mobs from his train here and there. But I don't think you can really complain about it, especially if you were the 2nd one there. Also, it doesn't sound like powerleveling is really relevant here, you just didn't like someone else killing things at a camp you wanted.

[Urmom]

Plus there are plenty of camps and plenty of zones no need to go pick off from someone already there. And telling you to go away for overcamping him isn't breaking any rules.

You didn't say what zone but given you said elementals I'm gunna assume an soa zone the main draw of which is for party not solo play. So why not try an escha zone? Lot's of camps that aren't used much and you said starter so I assume you might not have a lot of escha gear so cping there also let's you build up silt for escha fights

[Raydeus]

You arrived at a zone where the BLU was already killing stuff and started to camp over him instead of looking for another place to solo CP from the many camps and zones available nowadays. That is why he told you to leave. And I know you don't want to hear this but you only have yourself to blame for it.

Also, standing there and getting free XP has been in the game ever since the Abyssea debacle that killed the community, so what's the point on getting upset about it nowadays?

[Sirmarki]

Somehow I dont think almost half a zone can be classed as a camp?

When I got to the little place I normally go to, on a frequent occasion, no one was there. The three chars were way away from there, he was running across what you would class as 4-5 camps.

[Zeldar]

Yet the fact remains that the spot you were in was part of what he was using as his camp. He was the only one killing if the rest of the party was afk, so he was essentially solo'ing. So if I am soloing a large group of mobs because I can, then you come into my camp, am I now justified in getting upset that you are screwing my my experience? Is the deciding factor the number of people in his party? Either way, you encroached on a camp that was already taken. Not trying to blast you: I've been in your shoes and was wrongly upset too since I already didn't like 1 of the players in question. Just trying to point out that perhaps you should have found another camp.

[Sirmarki]

Yet the fact remains that the spot you were in was part of what he was using as his camp. He was the only one killing if the rest of the party was afk, so he was essentially solo'ing. So if I am soloing a large group of mobs because I can, then you come into my camp, am I now justified in getting upset that you are screwing my my experience? Is the deciding factor the number of people in his party? Either way, you encroached on a camp that was already taken. Not trying to blast you: I've been in your shoes and was wrongly upset too since I already didn't like 1 of the players in question. Just trying to point out that perhaps you should have found another camp.

How is it taken when I turn up and cant visibly see anyone within what is classed by many players as 'a camp'? Noone is there, so I start killing.. (He at the time was probably at one of the 4-5 "camps").

Secondly, if this was a busy server, and players were actually, well around, he wouldn't be able to do it full stop.

It breaks the terms and conditions because he is holding ALL of the monsters within that camp. If SE wanted players to hold many monsters, they would "lock" other players out from attacking the ones that are being attacked by said player.

[Sirmarki]

LOL omg seriously people have been powerleveling people for ages this is nothing new.

Olor, You found this funny, yet I just read this post from you, on another thread...

"Why solo? Because everyone shouting for members for ANY content wants to do everything on very difficult and I am not geared for that and don't want to be carried."

Were you PL'ed to 99?

[detlef]

What was that guy doing? When you kill monsters simultaneously you only get XP from up to 8 of them (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't see why he'd need to hold "4-5 camps" worth of monsters. If this guy was grabbing that many monsters for the purpose of leveling up his dudes, this is a weird way to go about it.

Anyway this is getting away from the original intent of your post. Are you complaining about people not "earning" their job levels or is this about fighting over mobs with another player?

[Sirmarki]

What was that guy doing? When you kill monsters simultaneously you only get XP from up to 8 of them (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't see why he'd need to hold "4-5 camps" worth of monsters. If this guy was grabbing that many monsters for the purpose of leveling up his dudes, this is a weird way to go about it.

Anyway this is getting away from the original intent of your post. Are you complaining about people not "earning" their job levels or is this about fighting over mobs with another player?

The 8 monster exp/cp cap is definitely incorrect.

My point is: To be able to get to what is regarded as the highest level in the game, hence the word "Master" - You can simply just stand there while one character runs around?

Going back to the part about me going to another camp. This was not my first choice of camp, my first choice of camp has been swamped by automated player-bots that run up and down a set pattern killing everything in their path, day and night, all day, practically every day.

[Urmom]

Going back to the part about me going to another camp. This was not my first choice of camp, my first choice of camp has been swamped by automated player-bots that run up and down a set pattern killing everything in their path, day and night, all day, practically every day.
Well see these are actually against the ToS and you should report them than some guy just out there cleaving.

[Sirmarki]

Well see these are actually against the ToS and you should report them than some guy just out there cleaving.

I didnt report the guy cleaving...

Think about this for one second....

I was killing at most 4, I repeat 4 mobs... Why does this guy feel the need to kill those 4 mobs, when he has already killed hmmm... 8+ one second ago? It makes no difference... It's not going to break his chain as there are 2 mobs 2 seconds away from that camp which would keep his chain intact...

This is about principle and common courtesy too..

Times have changed it seems.... (Which probably explains why the game is dying a tragic death).

[Olor]

Olor, You found this funny, yet I just read this post from you, on another thread...

"Why solo? Because everyone shouting for members for ANY content wants to do everything on very difficult and I am not geared for that and don't want to be carried."

Were you PL'ed to 99?

No.

Regardless, getting PLed is *not* tantamount to getting carried through endgame.

[Ketaru]

I was killing at most 4, I repeat 4 mobs... Why does this guy feel the need to kill those 4 mobs, when he has already killed hmmm... 8+ one second ago? It makes no difference... It's not going to break his chain as there are 2 mobs 2 seconds away from that camp which would keep his chain intact...

This is about principle and common courtesy too..

Times have changed it seems.... (Which probably explains why the game is dying a tragic death).

Have times changed? Because I still distinctly remember being in inferior parties, but being at camps first, only to be camped over by admittedly superior parties who would proceed to kill everything and leave us nothing rather than find their own spot as players that rightfully arrived second.

Same with BST. Parties KNEW I was there, but would camp over me all the same.

Just because you've never been on the receiving end of it before doesn't mean the phenomenon is new.

[Urmom]

I didnt report the guy cleaving...

Think about this for one second....

I was killing at most 4, I repeat 4 mobs... Why does this guy feel the need to kill those 4 mobs, when he has already killed hmmm... 8+ one second ago? It makes no difference... It's not going to break his chain as there are 2 mobs 2 seconds away from that camp which would keep his chain intact...

This is about principle and common courtesy too..

Times have changed it seems.... (Which probably explains why the game is dying a tragic death).

I didn't say you did. I said you should report the guys botting all day because that is where the actual problem is. Not this guy cleaving things

What doesn't make sense about repeatedly killing tons of mobs? That's how the game works. Gotta kill lots of stuff over and over again. Faster the better

Common courtesy is not camping on top of somehow who was there first... always been that way. If anything overcamping other people who were there first is killing things...

[Zeldar]

You said he was "holding" all the monsters....sounds like he was killing them to me, lol.

[OmnysValefor]

There was one char running around on BLU, near them, absolutely slaughtering groups of monsters at once with AOE magic (including the little groups of monsters I was fighting)..

Now, these 3 characters just standing there, are going to earn the title "Master" by, simply, standing there. How many more games is this even possible? To get the ultimate rank, by simply standing there?

As someone who does this on blu and bst, I take effort not to camp on somone and not to accidentally get their mobs in my aoes.

I don't know what limited-time challenge this was going on during, but if during Gain-Exp, people turn ruthless.


The game did what it needed to survive. No further explanation is owed to you than that.

As someone with 3 jobs mastered, I disagree. Make no mistake that the rate of gain for these 3 mules or other players is nothing compared to a good party, but they're afk-gaining off a solo cleaver faster than a solo samurai can get exp giving it his all. (Or any job without effective spammable aoe).


Ha! job master the ultimate rank? Not even close. I turn my stars off because it's so pointless, (that and they look like they were drawn in MS paint). Ooh I can perfect dodge 15 minutes sooner, big freaking whoop.

Me too. I have them on right now because apparently it's enticing to ambuscade groups, but yeah they don't mean much for a lot of jobs. However, Job Master is the Final Form for a lot of jobs. Even if all your other gifts suck, the accuracy bonuses account for something. Job Master is effectively leveling beyond 99, even if only in a small way.


So basically things in regards to pling are the same way they've been since what 2005?

Nah. Before abyssea, most PLing took effort from the party. PL's spikes was funny in dunes, but past that, the PL couldn't kill the mobs for you, and so was depending on your party speed. Everyone had to contribute (except maybe the alt account of the PL for obvious reasons).