Does GEO/RUN relics still take 6 month to start? [Archive]

Eckamus

03-26-2016, 08:20 AM

Unfortunately, no Rhapsodies KI affects Imprimatur restocking like that of Tags for assault. Dropping them to 10 min restock, if i remember right. Honesty it should have been balanced accordingly to other Relic/Mythic/Empyrean paths. As all the time gates have been drastically reduced for completing requirements or obtaining the currencies required. Minus the 95 and 99 stages of Empyrean's. 10 minute restock would be a very welcomed change, even making them a 1 hour restock would be nice. Either way, at this point, waiting over half a year to start GEO/RUN mythics is not something that is reasonable as compared to all other RME requirements. Would imagine a core group could make a Aeonic in 1-2 days at this point.

Jin_Uzuki

03-29-2016, 07:33 PM

Eckamus

03-30-2016, 10:29 AM

Basically, rank up is based on the total number of Imprimatur's used. I use 3 at a time when completing assignments myself.

HopefulNAPlayer

03-30-2016, 11:17 AM

I really wish this wasn't 6 months. I'd feel better if it was 2 months.

Raydeus

03-31-2016, 07:05 AM

They really need to change the amount of assignments needed to rank up in a coalition and allow us to store more than 15 Imprimaturs at a time. Personally I'd like to see the amount reduced to 5 per rank and a storage capacity of 40.

PS > I say only 5 assignments because they could make it so ranking up was based on the number of assignments completed rather than the number of Imprimaturs spent. That way you'd still have to do the work but wouldn't be as affected by imprimatur restock time.

detlef

03-31-2016, 07:36 AM

PS > I say only 5 assignments because they could make it so ranking up was based on the number of assignments completed rather than the number of Imprimaturs spent. That way you'd still have to do the work but wouldn't be as affected by imprimatur restock time.This is sensible.

While I agree that an adjustment is needed to coalition rank-up, do the people complaining have 13k HPB lined up and waiting or something? Being able to start the quest isn't as critical if the process consists entirely of item collection and 15 minutes of running around.

Eckamus

03-31-2016, 09:10 AM

I personally have completed the GEO Mythic, but have a couple people in LS that have returned to game and have not completed any of the coalitions really and are interested in playing GEO. With the WKR Plus event was able to farm nearly all the HPB to complete a GEO Mythic. With the time requirements, though, it don't matter if you have the HPB or not. You still will have to wait the 6 months to even start it. At this point it's unfair compared to what has been done to the time gates of other RME vs GEO/RUN Mythic. It basically limits new or returning players from actively participating in this content for 6 months. I personally think the Imprimatur restock should be reduced to something more realistic and even possibly on par with Tags for Assault. A 10 minute restock would be great, but even if it was a 1 hour restock, it would be a vast improvement.

detlef

03-31-2016, 09:36 AM

I think the simple solution that Raydeus proposed makes some sense. Basing ranking up on assignments completed instead of imprimaturs spent and adjusting the requirement slightly might be all the system needs. If the requirements to rank up to Legend were 5 coalition assignments each, it would take 35 total assignments to reach Legend, or 8.75 days. This translates to 52.5 days to reach Legend in all 6 coalitions, shorter if the cordon ki are acquired. That's reasonable to me, considering how powerful the weapons are and how reaching Legend status gives you access to both weapons.

Also I'm pretty sure every other GEO on Valefor has Idris now.

machini

03-31-2016, 01:43 PM

Jin_Uzuki

05-12-2016, 10:30 PM

Up.

Still takes 6 months.

dmuller30

05-13-2016, 03:29 AM

Can we get some insight from a dev about what is going on here. This isn't so great for returning or new players.

Diavolo

05-13-2016, 04:38 AM

Can we get some insight from a dev about what is going on here. This isn't so great for returning or new players.

A 6 month wait for Idris and Epeolatry, as crazy as it sounds, still isn't as daunting as building an Empyrean considering you only get 1 voidstone every 12 hours.

dmuller30

05-13-2016, 04:39 AM

A 6 month wait for Idris and Epeolatry, as crazy as it sounds, still isn't as daunting as building an Empyrean considering you only get 1 voidstone every 12 hours.

Well then they both need to be looked into.

Jin_Uzuki

05-13-2016, 05:53 AM

A 6 month wait for Idris and Epeolatry, as crazy as it sounds, still isn't as daunting as building an Empyrean considering you only get 1 voidstone every 12 hours.

Yeah, but at least other jobs have alternatives, don't they? :(

Diavolo

05-13-2016, 08:47 AM

Yeah, but at least other jobs have alternatives, don't they? :(

The same alternative GEOs and RUNs have - use a weapon that isn't best in slot. :p

Jin_Uzuki

05-13-2016, 10:04 AM

The same alternative GEOs and RUNs have - use a weapon that isn't best in slot. :p

Aren't several old relics (Aigis, Nirvana) still the best in their slot? Old pretty dang powerful still (Apocalypse, BRD relic I think?)?

Hey, not saying they shouldn't fix Empy anyway.

dmuller30

05-13-2016, 09:31 PM

Aren't several old relics (Aigis, Nirvana) still the best in their slot? Old pretty dang powerful still (Apocalypse, BRD relic I think?)?

Hey, not saying they shouldn't fix Empy anyway.

Some people have preference or are just like my friend and just want it to have it :P.

Pixela

05-14-2016, 02:30 AM

Jin_Uzuki

05-14-2016, 03:38 AM

When I suggested the devs should make getting job points easier for the first 100 points, I was told how much harder it used to be and should stay as it is.

I'll follow suit, why should these be made easier just for you? People have and are making them now so it's obviously not a problem! :P

Ok, first, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Second I (We) are not asking to make it easier just for me. We are asking to bring GEO and RUN ultimate weapons on par with the other jobs ultimate weapons. Do you realize they literally reduced the timer of everything (Dyna, Assault, etc) in this game but Coalitions?

You could probably make half of the available Mystics by the time you are ready to start GEO or RUN questline.

Rydal

05-14-2016, 05:40 AM

What's worse is that RUN and GEO only have one other legendary weapon option, which is Aeonic. Unless they make Relic or Empyrean weapons available to GEO and RUN (and the post RoZ jobs for Relics), any RUN or GEO has to wait 6 months to start their quest, while, As Jin has pointed out, every other job can bust out multiple legendary weapons in the same amount of time (PLD could make 2 Relics, their Mythic and be well into their Empyrean if they're not finished it by then).

Weren't they going to make Empyrean weapons (or at least the weaponskills) available to RUN and GEO?

detlef

05-14-2016, 05:41 AM

All I want is for them to glow.

Helldemon

05-14-2016, 05:02 PM

As Jin has pointed out, every other job can bust out multiple legendary weapons in the same amount of time (PLD could make 2 Relics, their Mythic and be well into their Empyrean if they're not finished it by then).

Sure, if they play 18 hours a day and do nothing but Dynamis, Salvage and Voidwatch...

At least for Idris though you could argue it's worth four REMA anyways because it's just that broken.

Eckamus

06-12-2016, 08:51 AM

Seems no love in the June update for coalition adjustments, but Relics can now be made in ~6 hours time. As long as you have the items and currency on hand. Not a overly huge reduction as prior wait time was only about 12 days I believe.

I am just hoping that the new quest, that is also locked behind a 6 month wait time, isn't something involved with coalition recharge rate. Since you need every coalition assignment completed as part of the requirement to even start the quest.

Helldemon

06-12-2016, 01:18 PM

OmnysValefor

06-12-2016, 05:01 PM

So how far along are you in your Ergon weapon now?

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Valefor/Eckamus

He's been there, done that. I don't know him, but I've played with him on a few occasions.

Eckamus

06-12-2016, 06:15 PM

I have both Ergon weapons myself, thanks mainly due the Wildskeeper Reive events, but there are others that have returned to the game and would like to do a Idris or Epeolatry and are turned off by the coaltions. Some to the point of not even wanting to do them. It may be that they think they may get bored and not be playing in 6 months or something like that. This is the main reason I am advocating for a reduced imprimatur or adjusted Coalition rank up method. To fall in line with all the other reductions they have made to Mythic and now Relic weapons and wait times. Basically Ergon weapons are the only ones left that have the original gateway locking their acquisition.

Looking in other threads, it has been stated twice that they were looking into reducing the recharge rate or changing the rate of coalition rank up. The first was a year ago today.

We'll consider adding a key item bonus you can obtain through Rhapsodies of Vana'diel that will reduce the recharge time of Imprimaturs.

The second time was about 2 months ago.

Greetings,

We're still looking into making adjustments to make it easier to increase Coalition ranks. However, we are planning to make this completely separate from the bonuses gained through Rhapsodies key items. I'll make a follow-up again once there is more information from the development team.

It is something that they are aware of, but haven't ever implemented, sadly.

Helldemon

06-13-2016, 04:45 AM

I guess I just think people should put some time into the most powerful weapon in the game. I could see some reduction in recharge time, halve maybe? So 3 months, I think people asking to be able to get it in less then a month is silly though imo. Anyone that wasn't around during a WKR campaign is still going to need a lot of time to acquire all that HP Bayld(unless they are rich) and the coalition assignments get you a decent amount of bayld.

OmnysValefor

06-13-2016, 06:18 AM

Time by effort is fine, time by arbitrary delays (slow recharging) is silly.

RME (especially mythics) required time. Ergon requires waiting more than time invested.

Castanica

06-13-2016, 11:25 PM

If Square ever make it easier to get Idris, brace yourself for a major nerf. That thing is broken, you know it, we know it and they know it.

Jin_Uzuki

08-12-2016, 01:53 PM

I take due to the lack of major news, there are no major news about this?

BobbinT

08-12-2016, 07:12 PM

haha....

I didn't even realize it took 6 months until OP making this thread. ATM, I only have 4 out of 6 that's in Legend rank. 2 left are still in Partner (Scout) & Contributor (Inventor) rank. And yes, I would really love to finish this fast so I can actually start doing RUN mythic. Funny that I've been playing Adoulin since release day and still yet capping all coalitions, thanks to me for being a bit ignorant about it till later on. ^^;

BTW, there's one suggestion that might help though: back then, I use all those imprimatures to spend on any assignments available, but didn't do them. This act like sorta cheating way to store up all your excessive imprints since you can get them back when you cancel those assignments. I was able to shot up several coalitions to max rank thanks to this, though unfortunately I have none left now that I'm kinda desperately wanna grinding those. ^^;

Might not help much now, but I hope it still does. Last time I did, I have around near 200 imprints saved up. All gone since then though. lol

Jakuk

08-12-2016, 07:17 PM

This act like sorta cheating way

Exploiting, not cheating.

BobbinT

08-12-2016, 08:40 PM

Exploiting, not cheating.

same diff. lol

Jin_Uzuki

08-17-2016, 03:41 AM

https://i.imgur.com/cl7uhek.jpg

Only 5 months of play until I can start my Idris! Thank you so much, Square Enix!

Meanwhile, every other person I know is working on his/her relic or working toward making it extra shiny.

Jin_Uzuki

12-04-2016, 12:09 AM

So, is there any update on this? Even a "no, we decided to make GEO and RUN relics the only thing that still take half a year in this game to even start" would be OK at this point.

I'm also not loving the new quests being gated behind coalitions for really no reason.

OmnysValefor

12-09-2016, 12:35 PM

So, it's been 4 months between posts, how close are you to idris now?

BobbinT

12-09-2016, 03:56 PM

btw, I just happened to reread the whole thread again, and realize that it's kinda odd that ppl argue over pre-condition which is all max ranked coalitions, while the actual ergon grinding might be much longer (not to mention expensive). Not to mention that majority of assignments are dead easy, just time consuming. cmiiw tho...

(kinda sucked tho that the silver cordons are only achievable after all coalitions max-ranked and with all assignments cleared, which is kinda wasted at that point. and do I need to mention gold cordons? lol )

Also, I'm currently on 5 max-ranked coalitions, and one left on either advisor/magnate rank. Getting bronze cordons really helps quite a bit since it shortens imprints waiting time and maxed em from 15 to 16. Too bad I only play during free logins atm or this would've finished long time ago. Next time I'm back again, they surely gonna be all max ranked, tho it will left me wondering how am I gonna progress upgrading/farming for ergon since I'm not really better equipped. So far, my RUN only have complete AF & relic gear set and only like 1 piece that's upgraded to i119. ^^;

Nyarlko

12-09-2016, 09:27 PM

btw, I just happened to reread the whole thread again, and realize that it's kinda odd that ppl argue over pre-condition which is all max ranked coalitions, while the actual ergon grinding might be much longer (not to mention expensive). Not to mention that majority of assignments are dead easy, just time consuming. cmiiw tho......

It's a viable gripe that there is real-time clock-locked minimum time investment/bottleneck that can't be avoided before you are able to even accept the first quest. I don't think anyone really believes that REMA should have super easy/fast processes to get ahold of, but since it's possible to focus on the other types and knock them out from start to finish in a month or two (if you do nothing else...) and since GEO/RUN only get the one Ultimate so there aren't any others to distract you, I can imagine that it's rather irritating to most who want Idris/Epeo to have a 6 month minimum wait (which will involve spending time daily on imprimatur spending / coalition fame grinding,) before even officially starting the quest chain for one.

Jin_Uzuki

12-09-2016, 11:44 PM

So, it's been 4 months between posts, how close are you to idris now?

Already farmed 2,5m of plasma for Delve and 70k Fragments for stones. The only reason I haven't capped HP Bayld is inventory space, still month away because of coalitions. I didn't spend the 4 months complaining, if that what you are implying.

https://i.imgur.com/pYAfjyl.jpg

Inventory space is the same reason I don't have a P. Yggrete Crystal in my inventory by the way.

btw, I just happened to reread the whole thread again, and realize that it's kinda odd that ppl argue over pre-condition which is all max ranked coalitions, while the actual ergon grinding might be much longer (not to mention expensive). Not to mention that majority of assignments are dead easy, just time consuming. cmiiw tho...

(kinda sucked tho that the silver cordons are only achievable after all coalitions max-ranked and with all assignments cleared, which is kinda wasted at that point. and do I need to mention gold cordons? lol )

Also, I'm currently on 5 max-ranked coalitions, and one left on either advisor/magnate rank. Getting bronze cordons really helps quite a bit since it shortens imprints waiting time and maxed em from 15 to 16. Too bad I only play during free logins atm or this would've finished long time ago. Next time I'm back again, they surely gonna be all max ranked, tho it will left me wondering how am I gonna progress upgrading/farming for ergon since I'm not really better equipped. So far, my RUN only have complete AF & relic gear set and only like 1 piece that's upgraded to i119. ^^;

The actual grinding process for Ergon is long as much you make it, like all other relics.

We just have this 6 months long lock on us for some reason. What's the last thing in this game that took 6 months? You can probably level a character to 99, max JP and get all Reisejima T1-T3 in 6 months nowadays.

It's also particulary frustrating because, despite being a career GEO that spends his time trying to get the best stuff for his job, I'll be always inferior to an Idris GEO and there is nothing I can do about it. (Unlike people who can actually work on their relic to improve their job whenever they want)

Diavolo

12-10-2016, 05:51 AM

It's also particulary frustrating because, despite being a career GEO that spends his time trying to get the best stuff for his job, I'll be always inferior to an Idris GEO and there is nothing I can do about it. (Unlike people who can actually work on their relic to improve their job whenever they want)

That's the unfortunate reality of the situation, the dev team hasn't leveled the playing field for the "ultimate" weapons yet, specifically Idris, Epeolatry and Empyreans. This is going to be another one of those "better late than never" cases as I'm sure the conditions required for building those weapons will get adjusted in the next year or three.

Shiyo

12-10-2016, 06:52 AM

Time gates are bad.

Temporary gear is bad.

They've added both. Stop adding bad things just because "other mmos do it."

OmnysValefor

12-10-2016, 08:11 AM

Time gates aren't necessarily bad but yes, 6 months is too long. Time gates on old content ("jp midnight / conquest tally") is bad for people trying to catch up

As for other mmo's doing it. FFXI has done it for most of it's life and it's older than most MMOs.

A reasonable investment of time, even by gating, is an alright thing.

Already farmed 2,5m of plasma for Delve and 70k Fragments for stones. The only reason I haven't capped HP Bayld is inventory space, still month away because of coalitions. I didn't spend the 4 months complaining, if that what you are implying.

Inventory space is the same reason I don't have a P. Yggrete Crystal in my inventory by the way.

I wasn't implying anything, I was simply asking if you'd managed to keep up with it. Having just finished 6/6 legend, it can be annoying to make sure to hit tags frequently enough.

In Bayld's case, like alex before it (not so much with alex now), it would be nice if there was a sort of "100 piece" that stacked. Then 13,099 takes up 3 inventory slots

Jin_Uzuki

12-10-2016, 12:59 PM

I wasn't implying anything, I was simply asking if you'd managed to keep up with it. Having just finished 6/6 legend, it can be annoying to make sure to hit tags frequently enough.

In Bayld's case, like alex before it (not so much with alex now), it would be nice if there was a sort of "100 piece" that stacked. Then 13,099 takes up 3 inventory slots

Oh, I apologize for the tone, then. I'm kinda altered about this thing, because I'm basically smashing my head against a wall for 6 months with no way to improve my job while almost everyone can work toward their relic or making it extra shiny. No to mention that if someone in the party has Idris and they switch jobs to get me, they are basically getting a downgrade.

OmnysValefor

12-10-2016, 02:59 PM

There are people in this thread that agree the wait is too much, who have one or multiple Ergons. I agree it's too much as well.

I think two months would be reasonable. It shows commitment but feels achievable. The best way they could do this is by tripling the "points" rewarded for doing assignments.

As for any comparisons to mythics, mythics require a lot of dedication in a whole different way (each and every time.. 50 assaults, some of which are not easy Azure...Ailments or Experiments (even nq 99 gear resists debuffs a lot, i've gone full half hours, golden ring, prison escape, ore), spamming Nyzul, spamming einherjar, and the gil cost or farm time.

Short of nerfing the points required and the assaults, mythics will never get easier and probably not cheaper.

Completing both types of "mythics" shows a commitment, whereas you can basically buy a relic. Empyrean are generally the most expensive and require commitment to farming. To be honest, I find lugging out those weapons now more annoying than I did when Abyssea mattered.

Nyarlko

12-11-2016, 01:33 AM

There are people in this thread that agree the wait is too much, who have one or multiple Ergons. I agree it's too much as well.

I think two months would be reasonable. It shows commitment but feels achievable. The best way they could do this is by tripling the "points" rewarded for doing assignments.

Simply increasing the points rewarded would reduce the total required number of assignments to complete (lower work/effort) which is something devs are probably not going to like. ^^;; They don't seem to mind letting us spam stuff tho, (ex: ROV KIs lowering Assault tag recharge to 10min, removing Dynamis lockout entirely) since that only lets us do the same amount of effort as many times as we want.

So, I think the best solution would be to lower the imprimatur recharge time. Maybe also increase the baseline number we can store. If the baseline recharge time was lowered (and cap was possibly raised in addition to that) the minimum required time for legend would be reduced w/o disrupting/changing anything else in the process. It would still take the same amount of work/effort, just lower the time required to complete the task. Since that is the primary complaint regarding the Ergon process, not any of the farming/cost issues, and it should cause no problems w/ anything else, why not?

BobbinT

12-13-2016, 05:54 PM

haha

guess I'm just enjoying my time doing these assignments, since I do realize how tedious the actual process gonna be. I'm thinking it as a break. Who knows... maybe by the time I'm really done with these assignments, there might be nerfs on the actual process... XD

Shiyo

12-21-2016, 05:16 AM

Can we get some insight from a dev about what is going on here. This isn't so great for returning or new players.
VW isn't either.
Good luck doing VW campaigns when you have to return to town every 6 kills and everything from VW has 0.00001% drop rates.

Jakuk

12-21-2016, 10:15 AM

VW isn't either.
Good luck doing VW campaigns when you have to return to town every 6 kills and everything from VW has 0.00001% drop rates.

You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

PristineChicken

12-21-2016, 12:08 PM

You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

I feel like there is a great deal of a lack of understanding of many mechanics that goes into much of the forum posting.

Diavolo

12-21-2016, 02:29 PM

You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

That only works if you actually have voidstones. It's incredibly easy to drain through your stock, especially if you're on a newer account, at which point you're forced to hit town and buy voiddust, hence the return to town after every 6 kills.

Shiyo

12-21-2016, 09:58 PM

You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

You do if you run out of stones and need dust...which a new player/returning pre-VW player has to do.

I feel like there is a great deal of a lack of understanding of many mechanics that goes into much of the forum posting.
Does this site not have moderators anymore?

Nyarlko

12-22-2016, 01:52 AM

You do if you run out of stones and need dust...which a new player/returning pre-VW player has to do.
This is true and most definitely is an annoyance. (Yay! I get to agree with you for once Shiyo! =D ) The lv75 requirement just to get the timer rolling is an additional roadblock for new characters and is also easy to miss for players who haven't been around since VW has been active.

I know that the devs have already cited technical difficulties in changing the way this currently works, but there has to be a solution other than "Working as intended."
If they can't change the behavior of how the current "trade dust to npc > get KI" works, maybe add a new npc who CAN handle "trade dust to npc > add to stock"? Or heck, tie VW to current content and let us trade something like Eschalixir (NQ) for stones (adding to stock, not KI) XD

Does this site not have moderators anymore?
I'm pretty sure there aren't any on the payroll anymore at least. :/ Best we've got at this point are the Community Reps. Although, I don't remember mods actually explaining game mechanics to those who are confused and/or misguided about how something works unless they were specifically asking questions about it. Confusion/misinformation seem to happen a lot w/ FFXI since 95% of in-game content is not really explained via any official means.