Feedback on the new mounts and Mog patio

[Pixela]

So I just watched the video showing these new features off and wanted to give some feedback:

New mounts are awesome, I loved the Taru on the crab but the female side saddle stance on the tiger looks terrible.. I really hope they are in an early stage or are being reworked.

The side saddle sitting motion for females when you are moving forward is already weird (especially when she is looking to the side too) but it just looks odd and the way she rides, it looks unnatural.

As for the new mog patio / garden, are we getting a skybox and some big windows on the side? As much as I love all these mog house expansions they do kind of feel like a prison with how closed in they are, even if it's just a static drawn background instead of actual rendered scenery that shows out the window it will help so much.

Windows are really, really important on a space as confined as these are.

Oh and if anyone hasn't seen the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWbrPsOJbkk
New mounts ~ 1 hour 10 mins mark.
New Mog patio at 1 hour 17 ish

[Catmato]

The side saddle sitting motion for females when you are moving forward is already weird (especially when she is looking to the side too) but it just looks odd and the way she rides, it looks unnatural.I agree. Hopefully it was just a placeholder until they could make a proper animation.

[Karbuncle]

I like it. But Its looks placeholder-ee/Alpha build, as you can tell by how it barely fits on the tiger, which is not unusual considering its probably a whiles off

[Shyles]

I like the side saddle look! :D Can't wait!

[Angemon]

Can we get any info on mounts? Will they be more useful than the chocobo feature? Can we use them inside towns or dungeons and are they quick and easy to use/dismount?

[Alhanelem]

Can we get any info on mounts? Will they be more useful than the chocobo feature? Can we use them inside towns or dungeons and are they quick and easy to use/dismount?
It's almost surely a cosmetic feature, just as extra mounts are in other games.

Functionally, it will probably work exactly the same as the personal chocobo- use a whistle/horn/whatever to call it and /dismount to get off.

[Camate]

The new mounts are coming in the April version update, so you can expect to hear some more information about them in the days leading up to it! ;) Stay tuned!

[Angemon]

It's almost surely a cosmetic feature, just as extra mounts are in other games.

Functionally, it will probably work exactly the same as the personal chocobo- use a whistle/horn/whatever to call it and /dismount to get off.

You have 0 information to make that claim.. hence why I asked the question. I suppose we'll just have to wait.

[Catmato]

Hopefully it's not as cumbersome and obnoxious as chocobo raising.

[Michae]

where are the translations for these videos? No love the the English audience?

[Alhanelem]

You have 0 information to make that claim.. hence why I asked the question. I suppose we'll just have to wait.
We've seen clips of the mounts, which on the version the devs were playing just showed an ordinary chocobo status icon. Logic can reasonably assume that the n ew mounts won't behave wildly differnetly from the current ones. In the absence of more detailed information, and given the way current game systems work, and also given that we're talking about a small dev team that isn't likely to be creating brand new systems but rather leveraging existing ones in new ways , I don't think my assumptions are unreasonable. I do minor work in the games industry and I know from experience it is not uncommon to recycle old systems, art and assets for new purposes.

You're being rather dismissive, considering I"m not asserting anything as a fact, merely stating my opinion based on observation of the available data.

[Angemon]

I didn't ask for your opinion though, I asked for the DEV/Community Rep to see if we could get a comment. We did and it was asking us to wait for more information.

[Alhanelem]

I didn't ask for your opinion though, I asked for the DEV/Community Rep to see if we could get a comment. We did and it was asking us to wait for more information.
You don't have to ask for my opinion, this is a discussion forum, not solely a Q & A area to the devs. You can't restrict people from commenting on your thread just because you specifically sought a dev response. I have every privilege too post my thoughts, because that's what the forum is for.

Also, who is "we"? You didn't post the thread, and the communty rep was responding to the topic as a whole, not to your question specifically. Nor was the thread titled "Devs, can we get info on mounts?" or something like that. It was in fact titled "feedback" and thus was clearly more intended as a discussion. You also didn't specifically ask for a dev response.

Long story short: There is nothing wrong with me hypothesizing and it doesn't go against what the thread is about.

[Angemon]

Okay but you quoted me? So kinda suggested you were giving your opinion to me, which I didn't ask for. You can guess but I would like a DEV to clarify as the current system is obviously useless. If all they planned was a reskin of the chocobo to x monster then it probably wouldn't be advertised as something new and exciting imo, it will be an improved system I'd hope. Improved movement speeds, faster usage of the item to call the mount, more areas to summon them in (can't even use Chocobo in Adoulin area.)

[Alhanelem]

Okay but you quoted me? So kinda suggested you were giving your opinion to me, which I didn't ask for. You can guess but I would like a DEV to clarify as the current system is obviously useless. If all they planned was a reskin of the chocobo to x monster then it probably wouldn't be advertised as something new and exciting imo, it will be an improved system I'd hope. Improved movement speeds, faster usage of the item to call the mount, more areas to summon them in (can't even use Chocobo in Adoulin area.)
Again, you did not specify you wanted a dev response, nor that you didn't want anyone else to react to your comment. There was nothing wrong with what I posted, nor any reason for you to be mean about it. There is no reason why we can't extrapolate from the video or hypothesize about what we think will happen in a logical way.

I quoted you because your post triggered my comment, not because I was specifically directing the comment towards you.

[Angemon]

Thanks but I'll wait for a DEV response instead of taking your opinion :)

[Alhanelem]

Thanks but I'll wait for a DEV response instead of taking your opinion :)
I never asked you to "take" my opinion. The opinion was shared to the community, not specifically to you. I was asking you, however, to not be so rude in response. I don't require notification that you aren't interested in my post.

People speculate and hypothesize all the time here, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Vae]

Don't be foolish. Dev's will NOT reply to you, you're not JP. The Best you're going to get is a copy/paste from camate if a JP asks the same exact question.

I hate to admit it but Analheim is right, it's just a reskin chocobo. It'll be literally the same exact thing, and a complete waste of developer time.

I haven't seen the video, I don't care at all in the slightest about stupid mounts. But I will say that sidesaddle is the dumbest thing you can possibly add for a mithra. Mithra are wild creatures. They are not tame ladylike in that way. Elvaan females side-saddle would be expected.

[Alhanelem]

I hate to admit it but Analheim is right, it's just a reskin chocobo. It'll be literally the same exact thing, [...] This is true, although I am perhaps less cynical about it as some mount variety would be nice, although I agree with your underlying sentiement that there are also a lot of other things they could be doing with their time.

[Karbuncle]

I imagine it'll work very similar to how XIV mounts work... I.E they're all the same just different skins.

Though I do like the idea of a super fast crab

[Catmato]

You seem to have mistaken the "Reply to Thread" button for the "New Thread" button. You can find it if you go to the top page of the forum your post relates to. Just trying to be helpful ^_^.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

where are the translations for these videos? No love the the English audience?

-Or- an automatic voice translation of the persons voice of whom is speaking sorta like they now have with skype, It's also some type of same ordeal with windows program that I cant think of the name its called at the moment. Mainly if YouTube had an Auto-Translate voice Language's converted Feature we would be set then in watching those video's in any other language in which we don't know or have yet to learn it.. ;-P :cool: ;)

[Bearstar]

I want a unicorn mount! Alicorn and/or Ixion. Odin's horse be cool too.

[Mnejing]

Camate should answer as a behemoth, would we be able to ride him as a mount.

[Jin_Uzuki]

Pls don't turn this into FFXIV with stupid mounts like Odin horses or elemental ponies. :(

[Hercule]

https://i.imgur.com/8kmX65d.jpg?1

[machini]

Pls don't turn this into FFXIV with stupid mounts like Odin horses or elemental ponies. :(

It's too late.

The fact that we're getting "mounts" when we already have them is a bit... silly. Well, more like a waste of resources. I guess it's easier to add reskinned chocobos, despite the fact that the chocobo I spent months raising is worthless, than it is to do anything worthwhile.

[Alhanelem]

It's too late.

The fact that we're getting "mounts" when we already have them is a bit... silly. Well, more like a waste of resources. I guess it's easier to add reskinned chocobos, despite the fact that the chocobo I spent months raising is worthless, than it is to do anything worthwhile.

You and the quoted poster: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE!"

You may not like a variety of mounts, but some people do. Lots of people care as much or more about looks as they do stats, which is why we have things like glamours in FFXIV and style lock in FFXI. To the people who like that sort of thing, it's more than just a "waste of resources." And while I do agree (as I often do) that there are other things they could spend their time on, as I said before, they're 99% leveraging an existing system to make this happen, so it's probably not much work. It's not like they're putting new models in the game or anything (although, it seems, one new pose/animation for characters), it's an existing game system and they're using existing models. And because of that fact and limited resources, you're probably not going to be seeing anything really flashy. Just ordinary monsters/creatures- So for all you bling haters, I don't think there's any reason to worry.

I'm really not for or against this, just commenting. I'm also really confused why people didn't react this way toward chairs, which are basically mounts that don't move (you don't even heal while sitting on them). Why was that okay and mount's aren't? Seems like a double standard to me. Chairs are completely cosmetic and have no gameplay benefit. Mounts are completely cosmetic and have no gameplay benefit either (that aren't also provided by the ones that already exist). Yet everyone seemed to be cool with the former despite people speaking out against the latter.

[Jin_Uzuki]

I have no problems with mounts.

I have a problem with stupid-lore breaking mounts.

[Alhanelem]

I have no problems with mounts.

I have a problem with stupid-lore breaking mounts.
I'm not sure how a bunch of magical horses break any lore? I'll give you slepnir, but that's essentially paid DLC, not something given to you normally in the game. None of the mounts obtained through normal gameplay are lore breaking.

But it really sounded like you were crapping on mounts in general, rather than "things that aren't canon." I understand that sentiment.

[machini]

There is a huge difference between "stop liking what I don't like" and "stop wasting development resources on duplicating already existing yet useless/pointless content".

They want to do something about mounts? Make chocobos useful. Don't add new chocobos.

[Olor]

There is a huge difference between "stop liking what I don't like" and "stop wasting development resources on duplicating already existing yet useless/pointless content".

They want to do something about mounts? Make chocobos useful. Don't add new chocobos.

I am fine with them adding new mounts but I'd really like it if the chocobos we raised could get a buff... like ... say, bring them all up to rental base speed and stamina and allow any training to be on top of that? Just seems unfair to have them be gimpy.

[machini]

I am fine with them adding new mounts but I'd really like it if the chocobos we raised could get a buff... like ... say, bring them all up to rental base speed and stamina and allow any training to be on top of that? Just seems unfair to have them be gimpy.

You're failing to get what I'm trying to say:

When was the last time you used your chocobo?

I know when the last time I used mine was: About two years ago when some new friends started playing and I wanted to show them this awesome blue bird that was slow as hell that I spent several months of my life working on that was useless before it was even hatched.

The restrictions on areas within which you can summon your mounts, combined with the availability of fast travel, make mounts so close to completely worthless that I'm going to go ahead to the extreme of saying that not only was spending timing implementing new mounts time wasted, but that simply considering whether or not to add new mounts was time wasted.

[Alhanelem]

You're failing to get what I'm trying to say:

When was the last time you used your chocobo?

I know when the last time I used mine was: About two years ago when some new friends started playing and I wanted to show them this awesome blue bird that was slow as hell that I spent several months of my life working on that was useless before it was even hatched.

The restrictions on areas within which you can summon your mounts, combined with the availability of fast travel, make mounts so close to completely worthless that I'm going to go ahead to the extreme of saying that not only was spending timing implementing new mounts time wasted, but that simply considering whether or not to add new mounts was time wasted.

The only reason I don't use my chocobo much is too many of the new places they added since the start of the game chocobos can't be used in. Also I'd really like it if both these mounts and the personal chocobo could be called with a command instead of via an item with limited charges. It's really silly, and that tax on their use is really unnecessary because its only purpose is to validate the rental chocobo's continued existence.

But as I've said before and I'll say again, just because you didn't want something doesn't mean it was a waste.

[Catmato]

It's really silly, and that tax on their use is really unnecessary because its only purpose is to validate the rental chocobo's continued existence.

It's true, in the past they needed rentals as a gil-sink (remember 4k gil for a chocobo at Mea?). Today, rentals account for a such a tiny fraction of gil leaving the game, they may as well be free. It's time to make summoned mounts free and unlimited.

[Olor]

You're failing to get what I'm trying to say:

When was the last time you used your chocobo?

I know when the last time I used mine was: About two years ago when some new friends started playing and I wanted to show them this awesome blue bird that was slow as hell that I spent several months of my life working on that was useless before it was even hatched.

The restrictions on areas within which you can summon your mounts, combined with the availability of fast travel, make mounts so close to completely worthless that I'm going to go ahead to the extreme of saying that not only was spending timing implementing new mounts time wasted, but that simply considering whether or not to add new mounts was time wasted.

I used my (slow blue) chocobo a couple days ago when I was doing RoV questing... Anyway, I don't disagree that removing some restrictions on mounts would be nice, I am just emphasizing that I'd also appreciate it if personal chocobos got the same benefits since we paid to raise them etc. I'd also like them to be at least as good (not even better, just at least as good) as the new mounts in terms of speed etc...

[Deirdre]

Personally, I simply don't want to see stuff that jars you from the experience that is Vana'diel--ie, people on unicorns, behemoths, ahriman...Vana'diel tends to take itself fairly seriously and having people flying around on demons? Not so much.

Yes to the armored chocobos though!