Get rid of abyssea

[rog]

The game was better off without it.

[Seha]

Oh you!

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[Lushipur]

someone should do a new topic named : Get rid of Rog.
Content: The game was better off without it.

cool story, bro!

[PizzaTheHut]

In before thread delete!

[chubrocka]

i agree with OP

[Alhanelem]

Get rid of Rog, the game was better off without it.

Oh wait, we already have a topic for that...

[Miiyo]

The game was better off without it.

No one is forcing you or anyone to participate in abyssea. If you wish to stay 75 then you can. If you wish not to have any gear from abyssea, feel free. If you wish to take a long time to level your jobs, FOV is there for you to solo. Have at it. No one is stopping you or anyone else that feels the same.

[Fiarlia]

Arrrrrrrrr ya got one.

[Cerelyn]

Umm ok?
Care to tell us why exacly?

[wish12oz]

Get rid of abyssea and relics!!! make everyone do cop dynamis the old way for all items in teh game and lvl sync in vulkurm for exp forever!!!!

[Vold]

Don't mind him, he's just trolling. If he could marry Abyssea he would.

[rog]

No one is forcing you or anyone to participate in abyssea. If you wish to stay 75 then you can. If you wish not to have any gear from abyssea, feel free. If you wish to take a long time to level your jobs, FOV is there for you to solo. Have at it. No one is stopping you or anyone else that feels the same.
But there is no one else who wants to do anything other than abyssea with me. Am i just supposed to solo everything? That does not seem very fun. As long as abyssea is in the game, no one will want to play the game the right way (by not using abyssea), because it is so easy in abyssea.

[blowfin]

I think they should remove levels 30-75 from the game entir..... oh wait.

The funny thing is, it would have seemed like a totally outlandish idea 2 years ago.

[Ayasha]

To Rog,

It's "so easy" everywhere. Just because people don't share YOUR idea of how the game is supposed to be played doesn't make it the wrong way. People don't go camp Faffles anymore because the gear he drops is incredibly obsolete. Kirin is a thing of the past to a lesser extent because the only thing REMOTELY useful from him anymore is W Legs, and even still, that's debatable. Nyzul/Salvage/Limbus/Dynamis/Einherjar/InsertAnythingRelevantHere just doesn't have the same time in to reward out ratio that it used to have. There's just no incentive to do old school things anymore

Getting rid of Abyssea will just return this game to the boring waste of time it was during the Wings of the Goddess era. Waiting 6 months to a year before getting any sort of content update, having the OHMYGODBESTGEAREVAR without any real sense of accomplishment (not that Abyssea is much different), and a disappearing player-base.

Times have changed, either get with them, or move on to bigger and better things.

To quote a legend in the profession of Rock:

"Conform or be cast out." \m/

[Auredant]

But there is no one else who wants to do anything other than abyssea with me. Am i just supposed to solo everything? That does not seem very fun. As long as abyssea is in the game, no one will want to play the game the right way (by not using abyssea), because it is so easy in abyssea.

Enlighten us please on the "right" way. Because the old exp system was a horrid waste of time.

[blowfin]

To quote a legend in the profession of Rock:

"Conform or be cast out." \m/

It`s funny because i`m pretty sure he got banned from the game. At least from two forums anyway...

Also, don`t feed the trolls.

[Seha]

Bored Rog? xD Bad, bad kid! To bed without dinner!

[blowfin]

I dunno I think this thread has shed light upon the fastest way to find like minded people, and then be a douche to them.

[Ayasha]

It`s funny because i`m pretty sure he got banned from the game. At least from two forums anyway...

Also, don`t feed the trolls.

Our cover's been blown! Scramble!

[Pikel]

To me abyssea has greatly reduced the time to level a job up so you can spend more time focusing on gear. I still see shouts for Divine Might, Nysle Isle, and other such events (thou rare). If you are looking for something outside of abyssea go do it. Most things are done low man. I think the problem some people have is they were to busy stepping all over people to get gear in EG events that they no longer have friends to help them. Now it's the nice people that have friends that are able to obtain better gear low man. Personally I like the change. I was on the verg of quitting before abyssea and am ecstatic with the way things are going.

Keep up the good work SE!

[rog]

To Rog,

It's "so easy" everywhere. Just because people don't share YOUR idea of how the game is supposed to be played doesn't make it the wrong way. People don't go camp Faffles anymore because the gear he drops is incredibly obsolete. Kirin is a thing of the past to a lesser extent because the only thing REMOTELY useful from him anymore is W Legs, and even still, that's debatable. Nyzul/Salvage/Limbus/Dynamis/Einherjar/InsertAnythingRelevantHere just doesn't have the same time in to reward out ratio that it used to have. There's just no incentive to do old school things anymore

Getting rid of Abyssea will just return this game to the boring waste of time it was during the Wings of the Goddess era. Waiting 6 months to a year before getting any sort of content update, having the OHMYGODBESTGEAREVAR without any real sense of accomplishment (not that Abyssea is much different), and a disappearing player-base.

Times have changed, either get with them, or move on to bigger and better things.

To quote a legend in the profession of Rock:

"Conform or be cast out." \m/
So you think we should just forget about the last 8 years of the game? Real ffxi cannot be played without fafnir, or kirin. They are essential parts of the game. And of course the game was meant to be played at level 75. For 8 years, it was designed around level 75. Changing that now simply is not right, and ruins the original game.

Getting the best gear is supposed to be hard. What sense of accomplishment do you have if you can get all the best gear, including empyrean weapons, etc, in a few days? We need to go back to the challenges of getting things like adaberk, ridill, etc. We shouldn't just have everything handed to us on a golden platter.

[Quetzacoatl]

game was never hard, time doesn't equal challenge, etc.

[rog]

Enlighten us please on the "right" way. Because the old exp system was a horrid waste of time.
This isn't just about exp! Yes, grinding exp for months per job was part of the real ffxi experience, but so was camping hnms for 3-48 hours, just to watch a rival shell get claim. So was wiping to the death house in windhurst, because someone decided to autorun past. So was dieing repeatedly to trains in garlaige citadel. All of these things were important to really, truly enjoying ffxi. The game simply is not the same without all of these wonderful features.

[Quetzacoatl]

If you think wasting weeks upon weeks of Ground HNM camping is real accomplishment, you have messed up priorities.

This goes for Salvage people who claim to have spent years to get their 35's too before they patched the droprates. That's just insane for something to drop. I don't mind taking a while to get something, but to spend probably more than a year for something to get is just not right.

[rog]

If you think wasting weeks upon weeks of Ground HNM camping is real accomplishment, you have messed up priorities.

This goes for Salvage people who claim to have spent years to get their 35's too. That's just insane.
What is wrong with persevering through a challenge, and finally completing it, after months/years of hard work?

[blowfin]

While we are reminiscing about the good old days, the recent discussion about the lack of low level gear on the Auction House has also made me realize the error of our ways in wanting gear to be freely available. It's clear now that the Auction House should meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein and be removed from the face of Vana'Diel like a giant scab. This will allow players to craft all their own gear, or have their friends craft it for them, the way god intended.

Also, man did not evolve from apes.

[Quetzacoatl]

What is wrong with persevering through a challenge, and finally completing it, after months/years of hard work?

Nothing, but it's just wrong in a video game.

[rog]

While we are reminiscing about the good old days, the recent discussion about the lack of low level gear on the Auction House has also made me realize the error of our ways in wanting gear to be freely available. It's clear now that the Auction House should meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein and be removed from the face of Vana'Diel like a giant scab. This will allow players to craft all their own gear, or have their friends craft it for them, the way god intended.

Also, man did not evolve from apes.I would appreciate it if you took your trolling out of my very serious thread.

[rog]

Nothing, but it's just wrong in a video game.
I do not understand your point. You say there is nothing wrong with achieving long term success through a difficult challenge, yet you say it is wrong? You seem to be making contradictory statements.

[Cerelyn]

Salvage gear may be outdated somewhat now but with the adjustments there, myself got my Morrigan's Robe in less than a week.

Hopefully they will making them upgradble in the future to Lv99 gear or something.

[Quetzacoatl]

I do not understand your point. You say there is nothing wrong with achieving long term success through a difficult challenge, yet you say it is wrong? You seem to be making contradictory statements.

Real Life.

Video Game.

There's a difference, bro.

EDIT:

I should also add that if I wanted to spend months or years on gaining something in this game, it had better break the damn game and turn me into a god. That's why I humbly applaud those who have spent so many dynamis runs getting their relics. HNM loot can rot in obsoleteness.

[Olor]

This will allow players to craft all their own gear, or have their friends craft it for them, the way god intended.


lol, they tried that... in XIV, and it was a giant huge failure

[Venrymel]

It's more like this, I think: Different people enjoy the different types of challenges the game has offered.

When things take a long time to accomplish, eg level grinding, players prefer that the rest of their party know how to play their jobs effectively, so said grinding can happen as quickly as possible within the game mechanics. Some people didn't like it, so they created ways of playing that violated the terms of service and stepped on the people willing to play the game as intended. It's like playing chess and deciding to make the Rook move just like the Queen. Or (taken from a "Roundhouse" skit) saying that scissors beats rock because they're super powerful indestructible scissors with rock crushing laser tips.

Personally, I prefer the game's goals require some effort instead of the relative "no thinking" style of "World of Warcraft". It's like "Resident Evil 5": in multiplayer, you have next to no worry about death, because you can give each other adreneline injections ad infinitum.

Now someone who hardly knows what they're doing can make Lv90 with a job by being a key-junkie in Abyssea. I understand the irritation.

The flip side:

Each player still has to accomplish all of the genkai breaks; which includes the fight with Maat.

Some people play games to get away from life; not to have it mimick the difficulties of it. FFXIII disappoints similarly, in that you don't have to know what you're doing to get through the battles and finish the story line.

The point is: The players themselves now provide the extra difficulty. Make friends with the people who are like-minded. For some of us, this means quite a lot of combing. It doesn't mean that the game is now without challenge.

FFXIII has a complex system that still encourages players to finish a battle as quickly as possible. What it does, is -not punish- those who don't. You could say that the game is without extra reward, but that is materialistic. There are still bosses who will defeat you if you do not play effectively.

Each of the FF games provides weapons that are difficult to acquire that are eventually made obsolete. FFXI follows different rules, though; and it starts with the fact that they want people to continue playing it. A one-off like the rest of them simply don't get the same attention.

[Ravenmore]

Way to go rog they suspect nothing keep up the good work.

[Miiyo]

But there is no one else who wants to do anything other than abyssea with me. Am i just supposed to solo everything? That does not seem very fun. As long as abyssea is in the game, no one will want to play the game the right way (by not using abyssea), because it is so easy in abyssea.
That's the "fault" of growing in levels. Most gear has been trumped by af3 and items found in abyssea. Most people were ready for a change from the same events.


Does Rog remind anyone else of Krystal?

[Olor]

I think it is funny people are actually arguing with rog. Trolling to the max... again.

[Quetzacoatl]

I think it is funny people are actually arguing with rog. Trolling to the max... again.

I think I shut him up though, lol

[rog]

Real Life.

Video Game.

There's a difference, bro.
So? Just because it is a video game does not mean you should not be challenged. Having challenges is a good thing. And when you finally get that ridill, or salvage body, or duelist's chapeau, etc, it's going to feel that much better because you know you overcame the obstacles, and defied the odds, and bested a very difficult challenge.


That's the "fault" of growing in levels. Most gear has been trumped by af3 and items found in abyssea. Most people were ready for a change from the same events. Just because most people were, does that mean we should force the change on everyone else, regardless of whether or not they want the game to change? Because that is what has happened.

[chubrocka]

While we are reminiscing about the good old days, the recent discussion about the lack of low level gear on the Auction House has also made me realize the error of our ways in wanting gear to be freely available. It's clear now that the Auction House should meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein and be removed from the face of Vana'Diel like a giant scab. This will allow players to craft all their own gear, or have their friends craft it for them, the way god intended.

Also, man did not evolve from apes.

What whole did you crawl out of? Id say take your flat earth way of thinking to another post and get back on track about how ABBY is killing the game we as longtime players loved.


Originally Posted by Ayasha
To Rog,

It's "so easy" everywhere. Just because people don't share YOUR idea of how the game is supposed to be played doesn't make it the wrong way. People don't go camp Faffles anymore because the gear he drops is incredibly obsolete. Kirin is a thing of the past to a lesser extent because the only thing REMOTELY useful from him anymore is W Legs, and even still, that's debatable. Nyzul/Salvage/Limbus/Dynamis/Einherjar/InsertAnythingRelevantHere just doesn't have the same time in to reward out ratio that it used to have. There's just no incentive to do old school things anymore

Getting rid of Abyssea will just return this game to the boring waste of time it was during the Wings of the Goddess era. Waiting 6 months to a year before getting any sort of content update, having the OHMYGODBESTGEAREVAR without any real sense of accomplishment (not that Abyssea is much different), and a disappearing player-base.

Times have changed, either get with them, or move on to bigger and better things.

To quote a legend in the profession of Rock:

"Conform or be cast out." \m/

I say this. If the OLD way as we have been marking it, was wrong/stupid/waste of time/and everything this poster says it was; makes me think why it flurished so much and had many more servers and many more players doing it and playing it. Most people left game not for the way it was played or how long it took to do it, but because they ran out of content and missions to do. So to bash on the way the game has thrived for so many years is wrong. The change of abby........ well for us players who played ffxi for what it was intended, the majority dont like the corner its turned. Might as well play WoW now.

"Times have changed you say". Well yes they have and maybe players like me need to move on and let go. Maybe we need to realize that FFXI will never be the same after abby. It doesnt mean we are wrong to say in anyway shape or form that ABBY is a cancer on a epic adventure. It also doesnt mean people shouldnt listen to what players like me are saying either.


To sum up. Lets all hope that over the next year of FFXI the SE team hears what there players (payers) are saying and make adjustment to the next set of content.

[rog]

I think I shut him up though, lol
I must apologize for the lack of responses. I just came home from school, which is a 40 minute drive. I am afraid your arguments have not convinced me of anything.

[blowfin]

And here I was thinking you just got distracted by all the pretty colours in his sig. Exactly which part of the Mandelbrot set does that image come from anyway?


If the OLD way as we have been marking it, was wrong/stupid/waste of time/and everything this poster says it was; makes me think why it flurished so much and had many more servers and many more players doing it and playing it.

At a guess

50% Rabid fanboys
50% not knowing any better

Times have changed.

[Quetzacoatl]

Rog, What do you consider more of an accomplishment? Inventing some new gadget which you have put all your time and effort into tweaking and testing to perfect it which gets worldwide praise, or getting some gimmick sword that does nothing but increase your DPS by a miniscule amount after months and years of sitting around and waiting for something to happen?

F#@% your Riddill, games shouldn't have to mimic the tumultuous grind of real life.

[rog]

Rog, What do you consider more of an accomplishment? Inventing some new gadget which you have put all your time and effort into tweaking and testing to perfect it which gets worldwide praise, or getting some gimmick sword that does nothing but increase your DPS by a miniscule amount after months and years of sitting around and waiting for something to happen?

F#@% your Riddil, games shouldn't have to mimic the tumultuous grind of real life.The former is of course the greater accomplishment, however the latter is also a very impressive one as well.

[Miiyo]

Just because most people were, does that mean we should force the change on everyone else, regardless of whether or not they want the game to change? Because that is what has happened.

For your "everyone else," play the way previous to abyssea. Evidently if you can't find enough people to play the way you want to play, it shows how many more people were ready for a change than you thought.


People don't seem to realize one thing: If you tell people they can't leech in abyssea- do you tihnk they're really going to go back to 7 years ago and making carefully balanced parties to level up with? No. They're just going to go find the next fastest/easiest method and use that. Even if you restrict abyssea, you're not going to see a resurgance in typical parties EXPing all over the game world. People will just sync to E.Ron S colibri, do summoner burns, or MMM. It's not going to result in smarter players or people fighting stuff in every area of the game again.

That's the bottom line. There is no more mid game. Everything to do is in the endgame. So people don't want to spend weeks/months trying to level to experience that section of the game.

[Quetzacoatl]

The former is of course the greater accomplishment, however the latter is also a very impressive one as well.

No one seriously used Riddils unless it was for a situational TP build.

I hope you know that.

[rog]

No one seriously used Riddils unless it was for a situational TP build.

I hope you know that.
Actually, it was an incredible weapon back in the good ol' days, before the 2h buff.

[Ayasha]

So you think we should just forget about the last 8 years of the game? Real ffxi cannot be played without fafnir, or kirin. They are essential parts of the game. And of course the game was meant to be played at level 75. For 8 years, it was designed around level 75. Changing that now simply is not right, and ruins the original game.

Getting the best gear is supposed to be hard. What sense of accomplishment do you have if you can get all the best gear, including empyrean weapons, etc, in a few days? We need to go back to the challenges of getting things like adaberk, ridill, etc. We shouldn't just have everything handed to us on a golden platter.

I never said anything of the sort. I love old school stuff. It's just that I'm not gonna waste my time hanging out waiting for no one to do things when other people enjoy Abyssea. I go where the game is, I don't wait for the game to come to me. If everyone is playing basketball, do you want them to get rid of basketball so YOU can play Football?

[rog]

For your "everyone else," play the way previous to abyssea. Evidently if you can't find enough people to play the way you want to play, it shows how many more people were ready for a change than you thought.
But there are still those of us who really enjoyed playing the real ffxi. And i'm sure there are more of us than you think. Most people don't really like abyssea as much as they liked the real ffxi, but they just do it because it is the only way they can play the game at all.

[Quetzacoatl]

Actually, it was an incredible weapon back in the good ol' days, before the 2h buff.

So you don't equate the 2H buff as being part of the real FFXI then?

[rog]

So you don't equate the 2H buff as being part of the real FFXI then?
Of course not, don't be silly.

[Olor]

Getting rid of level sync would show us who the real hardcore players are.

[rog]

Getting rid of level sync would show us who the real hardcore players are.
Agreed. People should have to earn their levels, not just leech in astral/chigoe burns.

[Quetzacoatl]

Of course not, don't be silly.

Because nostalgia is entire world, you know?

[rog]

Because nostalgia is entire world, you know?
It is not nostalgia, the game was really better.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It is not nostalgia, the game was really better.You're confusing content with player attitude it seems.

[rog]

You're confusing content with player attitude it seems.
No, i am just saying the game was a lot better before abyssea.

[Sagian]

The problem isn't Abyssea. The problem is 'the rest of the game'. There is no incentive to engage in content outside of Abyssea. Figure out some way to draw players back to the 'normal' content. I have no idea what that would entail, but the game would be fixed.

[Kagato]

Abyssea is a fantastic way for high level players to speed through their exp grinding in order to do what high levels want to do: quest and adventure for great things! No reason to remove abyssea. It's fantastic! The only thing I see wrong with it is early access at a level as low as 30 when the only reason to go into abyssea at that low of a level is to leech.

[Miiyo]

If the game would've stayed the same, I would've quit due to boredom. Grinding sucks. It's a common way for mmo's to lengthen the time of a player's subscription instead of giving them something to do. I think it's very brave of SE to try to make the game more about activity than simple grinding. I applaud them for this. I thank them for this. If you can sit still and do the same events for 8 years, then by all means, have at it. I'm one for innovation, change, having things bigger and better, and moving forward. Again, no one is making you take part in abyssea. Your "real ffxi" is still there and waiting for you and your group of "Most people don't really like abyssea as much as they liked the real ffxi."

It would've been better if you started a thread trying to find like-minded people and tried to gather together on the same server to continue playing your "real ffxi."

I haven't come across anything "hard" since I've played the game. I either roll with a group of intelligent people that know what they're doing, or I lead an intelligent group of people that know how to adapt and listen to instruction.

The three years before WoTG was when I saw the most amount of people drop like flies from the game. I guess they were sick of the "real FFXI" as well.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No, i am just saying the game was a lot better before abyssea.I say the same about pre-360.

[Capn]

Hi Rog!!!!!!!

[Seha]

I think it is funny people are actually arguing with rog. Trolling to the max... again.
While this is partially trolling, Rog is actually doing a very clever thing.

[rog]

If the game would've stayed the same, I would've quit due to boredom. Grinding sucks. It's a common way for mmo's to lengthen the time of a player's subscription instead of giving them something to do.
And so taking it out just shortens the time we will be playing.


Also..."partially"?

[Auredant]

This isn't just about exp! Yes, grinding exp for months per job was part of the real ffxi experience, but so was camping hnms for 3-48 hours, just to watch a rival shell get claim. So was wiping to the death house in windhurst, because someone decided to autorun past. So was dieing repeatedly to trains in garlaige citadel. All of these things were important to really, truly enjoying ffxi. The game simply is not the same without all of these wonderful features.

never "enjoyed" any of those things to be honest

[rog]

never "enjoyed" any of those things to be honest
That is just you. Most people do.

[kewitt]

let me leech all my jobs to 90+ 1st then get rid of it.

[rog]

let me leech all my jobs to 90+ 1st then get rid of it.
People like you are ruining this game more than abyssea.

[Greatguardian]

Also..."partially"?

Most people here don't know what the hell Troll means.

PSA: Flaming, insulting, calling someone a dumbass =/= Trolling.

Posting a "serious" response intended as a parody of other people = Trolling.

Calling PLD useless =/= Trolling.

Being a sensible player and posting a thread about how PLD needs fixes to be the real white knight tank again = Trolling.

Disagreeing with half the forums =/= Trolling

This thread = Trolling.

A good troll is indistinguishable from a passionate idiot. Real talk.

Edit: That said, this thread is an intentionally poor troll but I don't care because it's hilarious nonetheless.

[Detoxy]

People like you are ruining this game more than abyssea.

Get over it abys is here to stay not gunna get rid of it just because u dont like it. Its a well know fact that WAY more peps like it than hate it.

[rog]

Get over it abys is here to stay not gunna get rid of it just because u dont like it. Its a well know fact that WAY more peps like it than hate it.
That is not true. I just asked 3 friends, and they all said abyssea is horrible, and never should have been made. It is pretty obvious most people agree with me, and only play in abyssea because no one wants to go back and play the real ffxi.

[Detoxy]

That is not true. I just asked 3 friends, and they all said abyssea is horrible, and never should have been made.

so what ur saying is that u dont want any of THE BEST GEAR AND WEPS?

[rog]

so what ur saying is that u dont want any of THE BEST GEAR AND WEPS?
I am trying to get the best gear available for level 75.

[Seha]

Most people here don't know what the hell Troll means.

A good troll is indistinguishable from a passionate idiot. Real talk.

That said, this thread is an intentionally poor troll but I don't care because it's hilarious nonetheless.
I know what trolling means lol. But maybe I looked too much into it? I thought this was a mean to show the "aby-haters" from their own point of view how wrong is thinking to the extreme? Thus the partially trolling.
Or maybe I just thought too much about it and Rog is just plain trolling the hell out of them xD

[Chiibi]

... eh? i like abyssea though....

[macbain]

alla just isn't the same anymore..

/bow

[rog]

... eh? i like abyssea though....
Just because one person likes it does not mean we should keep it, even though it is ruining the game for everypony else.

[Sasukeuchiha]

If enough people hated abyssea and want to do something outside abyssea why don't you then. Its not that hard everone just asumes everyone wants to leach jobs and do abyssea for gear so they do not try jack outside abyssea. There is also the thing how old end end game gear is not as good as abyssea gear. Another thing you have to look at is how old the game is and how offen people did all the old stuff and finished it. If you truely hate abyssea and do not want to do it try harder to get people to do jack outside abyssea by like shouting or verious other meens. This hole game is not abyssea.

[Chiibi]

Just because one person likes it does not mean we should keep it, even though it is ruining the game for everypony else.

Hows it ruining the game for everyone else?

[rog]

Hows it ruining the game for everyone else?
How is it not?

[Chiibi]

erm... thats not an answer to my question. I'd like examples please.

[rog]

It ruins the game in pretty much every way imaginable.

[Miiyo]

This isn't just about exp! Yes, grinding exp for months per job was part of the real ffxi experience, but so was camping hnms for 3-48 hours, just to watch a rival shell get claim. So was wiping to the death house in windhurst, because someone decided to autorun past. So was dieing repeatedly to trains in garlaige citadel. All of these things were important to really, truly enjoying ffxi. The game simply is not the same without all of these wonderful features.

Guys this thread is done. Rog is evidently a masochist that enjoys torture and this statement proves it. He/she misses the days of abuse, gathering for hours upon end to accomplish nothing, and watching things you long for taken from right in front of you.

[rog]

You do not have to be a masochist to like how ffxi was before it was ruined by abyssea.

[Greatguardian]

Exactly. FFXI was all about real skill back then. No one knows how to play any more. I mean, like, how many times do you see Skillchains and Magic Bursts going off properly any more? Like, never! Abyssea ruined party-wide coordination and just made people zerg everything. Abyssea completely ruined Sea too. I mean, like, hachimakis have +5 skill on them and they're 100% drop!! Torques are completely useless now when you can get +skill elsewhere for way less effort.

Nobody wants to actually work any more, it's all about gimme gimme gimme in Abyssea. It went and made all of our hard work from the past useless. Ares Cuirass PLD? Sorry, Twilight Mail is better. My Hydra Haubert that was super rare for years? I can't macro it into anything now! It's like all those years I had armor that 95% of the population either didn't know existed or didn't have were just completely wasted. Now everyone can leech Abyssea and get full sets of AF3+2 and empyrean weapons in like 2 hours. It's so unfair.

[Atomic_Skull]

Guys this thread is done. Rog is evidently a masochist that enjoys torture and this statement proves it. He/she misses the days of abuse, gathering for hours upon end to accomplish nothing, and watching things you long for taken from right in front of you.

Actually he's an infamous troll from Allakhazam who came here after he was banned there for doing the sorts of things he's doing here now. It remains to be seen whether or not they allow him to get away with it for as long as Allakhazam did.

[rog]

Exactly. FFXI was all about real skill back then. No one knows how to play any more. I mean, like, how many times do you see Skillchains and Magic Bursts going off properly any more? Like, never! Abyssea ruined party-wide coordination and just made people zerg everything. Abyssea completely ruined Sea too. I mean, like, hachimakis have +5 skill on them and they're 100% drop!! Torques are completely useless now when you can get +skill elsewhere for way less effort.

Nobody wants to actually work any more, it's all about gimme gimme gimme in Abyssea. It went and made all of our hard work from the past useless. Ares Cuirass PLD? Sorry, Twilight Mail is better. My Hydra Haubert that was super rare for years? I can't macro it into anything now! It's like all those years I had armor that 95% of the population either didn't know existed or didn't have were just completely wasted. Now everyone can leech Abyssea and get full sets of AF3+2 and empyrean weapons in like 2 hours. It's so unfair.
Finally, someone understands.

[Sasukeuchiha]

You do not have to be a masochist to like how ffxi was before it was ruined by abyssea.

then instead of complaining do stuff outside abyssea if you hate it so much no one is stopping you.

[rog]

People are stopping me, by not being willing to do anything outside of abyssea.

[Lisotte]

lol I read the first post in this thread, and read the entire last page (which was plenty enough).

Plenty enough to see that anyone posting here arguing with him is being so trooooollllled big time. All he says for the most part are infuriating one-liners designed to tick people off.

Except that quote of his Miiyo used which is longer. He describes being mpk'd, losing hnms, and the like. It's so blatantly obvious; no sane person would say that FFXI used to be fun because of these things, but rather in spite of them.

Not to mention even while I agree that empy weapons/armour are waaaayyy easier to get than relic/mythic, I like to see someone get full lvl 90 stuff in 2 hours, I dare you. Obviously the guy was exaggerating but it's still a decent length of time, one that a newer player has to take into consideration when planning out the endgame agenda (like grinding for a lesser ws/weapon before you do the much longer harder grind for the lvl 90 empy one).

[Chimera]

So you think we should just forget about the last 8 years of the game? Real ffxi cannot be played without fafnir, or kirin. They are essential parts of the game. And of course the game was meant to be played at level 75. For 8 years, it was designed around level 75. Changing that now simply is not right, and ruins the original game.

Getting the best gear is supposed to be hard. What sense of accomplishment do you have if you can get all the best gear, including empyrean weapons, etc, in a few days? We need to go back to the challenges of getting things like adaberk, ridill, etc. We shouldn't just have everything handed to us on a golden platter.

I think you're forgetting one very simple fact... this game is not getting any younger. In terms of game age this one is a hair away from being shelved and in order SE to keep the player base you have so enjoyed these many years the game has to adapt... it has to evolve and SE knows this. When is the last time you did a "/sea all" on your server? I do it every day that I log on and I among my other friends on different servers we have all noticed the same bloody thing... less and less people are coming back to the game... hence the reason for yet ANOTHER round of server merges. Yes things like Fafnir and Kirin were staples of end game play, but if that was all players new and old had to look forward to as the game consistently got older the player base would have shriveled and died a very long time ago. Sorry mate... but it looks like you're going to have to evolve along with the game... or move to another one for bigger and better challenges. Abyssea and other factors may have nerfed the leveling experience, but there are still challenges to be had if you know where to look for them.

Chimera of Shiva

[rog]

If it were not for abyssea, more people would come back. I know i would.

[rog]

Except that quote of his Miiyo used which is longer. He describes being mpk'd, losing hnms, and the like. It's so blatantly obvious; no sane person would say that FFXI used to be fun because of these things, but rather in spite of them.
That was not my point.

[Novax]

Before abyssea you worked for what you wanted be it dyna drops to salvage drops, which yes took quite a while but that's where you get the sense of accomplishment. Maybe that rdm af2 hat didn't drop 2-3 runs in a row and then it finally does and you have to lot against another person, you get the adrenaline pump when you lot and bam 31 ; ;, your competitor lots a 29!!!! Omg you win! Story for everyone of your friends.

Abyssea: go in for 30mins and get 2-3 +1s a few hours and get 25/50 more emp items, it's all gimmie gimmie gimmie as someone said before. Now that abyssea is so easy and you get things so fast people want everything to be as easy.

[rog]

Before abyssea you worked for what you wanted be it dyna drops to salvage drops, which yes took quite a while but that's where you get the sense of accomplishment. Maybe that rdm af2 hat didn't drop 2-3 runs in a row and then it finally does and you have to lot against another person, you get the adrenaline pump when you lot and bam 31 ; ;, your competitor lots a 29!!!! Omg you win! Story for everyone of your friends.

Abyssea: go in for 30mins and get 2-3 +1s a few hours and get 25/50 more emp items, it's all gimmie gimmie gimmie as someone said before. Now that abyssea is so easy and you get things so fast people want everything to be as easy.This man understands. When everything is so easy, there is no sense of accomplishment.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Abyssea is not bad, it just needs to be adjusted

[rog]

Abyssea is not bad, it just needs to be adjusted
Maybe, it could be adjusted, in theory, but as it is now, it is definitely bad.

[Dazusu]

The game was better off without it.

Completely agree.

[Bubeeky]

you know Rog...your "real ffxi" isn't lvl 75...it's lvl 50 max, only rank 5 of the cities available, and only in japanese, only the original six jobs available...that's "real ffxi" because everything else was an expansion of various degrees, just like Aby

[rog]

you know Rog...your "real ffxi" isn't lvl 75...it's lvl 50 max, only rank 5 of the cities available, and only in japanese, only the original six jobs available...that's "real ffxi" because everything else was an expansion of various degrees, just like Aby
No. Level 50 was never intended to be the permanent cap. Nor was rank 5 meant to be the end, or only 6 jobs. The level cap, max rank, and most of the jobs were decided a long, long time ago. It is silly to change it after all this time.

[Korpg]

So you think we should just forget about the last 8 years of the game? Real ffxi cannot be played without fafnir, or kirin. They are essential parts of the game. And of course the game was meant to be played at level 75. For 8 years, it was designed around level 75. Changing that now simply is not right, and ruins the original game.

Getting the best gear is supposed to be hard. What sense of accomplishment do you have if you can get all the best gear, including empyrean weapons, etc, in a few days? We need to go back to the challenges of getting things like adaberk, ridill, etc. We shouldn't just have everything handed to us on a golden platter.

Wait, real FFXI cannot be played without NMs that are 21-24 hour pops that were botted by most RMT shells known to existence so they can make money off of a fantasy game to people who does not even know what to do with a ridill except "swing at things because it makes me look like I bought my account." There is a reason why most of the player base did not do HNMs, and that is because most people do not find it fun waiting for 3 hours on a pop so your linkshell leader can get the gear that he wants and after he gets it he will just either jump server or "schedule" other events so you cannot get the same gear unless you buy it from the same leader so he can buy the newest bot to try to outclaim other bots so he can sell the money items for his new computer screen and "girlfriend." (Sorry for the run-on sentence)

There is a reason why SE did Abyssea. There is a reason why gil isn't worth the same as it was a little over a year ago. There is a reason why nobody sees anymore RMT /ts (and not because of the chat filter, although that did "help).

Abyssea has been the best thing to happen in this game in a very long time, and I for one am glad that SE did something right and capitalized it quickly. Here is to Abyssea!

[hiko]

abyssea ruined the game!
an event that allow you to lvl a char from 0to max and get all best gears for said job in less than one week while never be in a group bigger than 4 people is ruining the game.
need more PW (before nerf) mob!

[rog]

Wait, real FFXI cannot be played without NMs that are 21-24 hour pops that were botted by most RMT shells known to existence so they can make money off of a fantasy game to people who does not even know what to do with a ridill except "swing at things because it makes me look like I bought my account." There is a reason why most of the player base did not do HNMs, and that is because most people do not find it fun waiting for 3 hours on a pop so your linkshell leader can get the gear that he wants and after he gets it he will just either jump server or "schedule" other events so you cannot get the same gear unless you buy it from the same leader so he can buy the newest bot to try to outclaim other bots so he can sell the money items for his new computer screen and "girlfriend." (Sorry for the run-on sentence)
Maybe if you were in a crappy ls.

[Korpg]

abyssea ruined the game!
an event that allow you to lvl a char from 0to max and get all best gears for said job in less than one week while never be in a group bigger than 4 people is ruining the game.
need more PW (before nerf) mob!
What, fight a NM for 18 hours before people start passing out from exhaustion?

You want more of those NMs?

Besides, you really don't get from 1 to 90 in a week of abyssea. Well, level wise you can, but guess what. You got all that skill (combat + magic + actual knowledge) to obtain, and that won't be fun, or easy, or fast.

I consider myself one of the best SMNs in this game, and not because I solo'd it from 1-75 (abyssea got me to 90, I won't lie), but because of the time and effort I put into that job to make it the best it can possibly be. I have solo'd NMs that alliances can't even touch. I know more about aggro ranges and hate calculations than most, because I have solo'd my job. There are some camps that nobody goes to, but I know of because of soloing.

This game is evolving, and it needs to evolve to survive. Getting rid of abyssea is quickening the death of this game, and I for one do not wish for this game to die.

[Korpg]

Wait, real FFXI cannot be played without NMs that are 21-24 hour pops that were botted by most RMT shells known to existence so they can make money off of a fantasy game to people who does not even know what to do with a ridill except "swing at things because it makes me look like I bought my account." There is a reason why most of the player base did not do HNMs, and that is because most people do not find it fun waiting for 3 hours on a pop so your linkshell leader can get the gear that he wants and after he gets it he will just either jump server or "schedule" other events so you cannot get the same gear unless you buy it from the same leader so he can buy the newest bot to try to outclaim other bots so he can sell the money items for his new computer screen and "girlfriend." (Sorry for the run-on sentence)


Maybe if you were in a crappy ls.

Wait, you are telling me that never happened ever? RMT shells like TwentyFourSeven/IIZergII/MadGood never existed? They never bought and sold gil on a regular basis because of their bots and selling Black Belt items along with other "goods" and "services"? Linkshells suddenly vanish because of STF interventions?

Or are you just trolling?

[rog]

Wait, you are telling me that never happened ever? RMT shells like TwentyFourSeven/IIZergII/MadGood never existed? They never bought and sold gil on a regular basis because of their bots and selling Black Belt items along with other "goods" and "services"? Linkshells suddenly vanish because of STF interventions?

Or are you just trolling?What makes you think they sold gil?

[Bubeeky]

but you stated that you want to play the real ffxi...that is the real ffxi...the other things are expansions of it, not the real deal.

[rog]

No it is not.

[Korpg]

What makes you think they sold gil?

Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game. Being the biggest jokes on Asura, even to this day they are still being referenced as the biggest losers of the server and ex-members are not to be trusted.

If you want, I can probably provide you with the evidence, all you have to do is look up Asura server forums on BG, FFXIAH, and KI, but you might want to go back at least 2 years.

And thats just Asura's rejects. Pandy had some rejects themselves (Storm) and I know that many others will know of at least 2 old RMT shells on other servers.

But unless you are a new player (which you do not project yourself to being) the concept of RMTs should not be new to you.

[rog]

That does not mean they sold gil.

[Korpg]

That does not mean they sold gil.


Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game. Being the biggest jokes on Asura, even to this day they are still being referenced as the biggest losers of the server and ex-members are not to be trusted.

If you want, I can probably provide you with the evidence, all you have to do is look up Asura server forums on BG, FFXIAH, and KI, but you might want to go back at least 2 years.

And thats just Asura's rejects. Pandy had some rejects themselves (Storm) and I know that many others will know of at least 2 old RMT shells on other servers.

But unless you are a new player (which you do not project yourself to being) the concept of RMTs should not be new to you.


Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game. Being the biggest jokes on Asura, even to this day they are still being referenced as the biggest losers of the server and ex-members are not to be trusted.



Buying NASA bot 3 times when it costed them $2500 each time. The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game. Their leader constantly getting banned and coming back to the game.


The fact that they admitted it, many times, on forums AND in the game.

Now I know you are trolling.

[rog]

Because it is impossible to lie?

[Korpg]

Because it is impossible to lie?

Could be the overwhelming evidence that supports the idea. Never know.

If you are called a Thief, you don't want to brag about it if you are innocent.

Besides, Square-Enix seems to think that certain linkshells are RMT shells. They would need the evidence to ban them from the game, or at least conclusive proof. It is bad business to randomly ban people just because.

[hiko]

What, fight a NM for 18 hours before people start passing out from exhaustion?

You want more of those NMs?

Besides, you really don't get from 1 to 90 in a week of abyssea. Well, level wise you can, but guess what. You got all that skill (combat + magic + actual knowledge) to obtain, and that won't be fun, or easy, or fast.

I consider myself one of the best SMNs in this game, and not because I solo'd it from 1-75 (abyssea got me to 90, I won't lie), but because of the time and effort I put into that job to make it the best it can possibly be. I have solo'd NMs that alliances can't even touch. I know more about aggro ranges and hate calculations than most, because I have solo'd my job. There are some camps that nobody goes to, but I know of because of soloing.

This game is evolving, and it needs to evolve to survive. Getting rid of abyssea is quickening the death of this game, and I for one do not wish for this game to die.
ok a new player cant get a capped char in that frame time. someone who already have few HL job can easily because some skills are already capped or near from other job, or at least at sub lvl cap.

+ leeched war in a cleave pt friday morning (wasn't in front of computer), went back from work @5pm, went to skill up till 9 where i went in a-tarongi to farm glavoid/chloris, ans was able to proc all the red needed, when i went to sleep we had build and kill 3-4 glavoid and chloris.
I aggre with a full caped and well geared war we might have get more glav/chlo in the same time

[rog]

If you are called a Thief, you don't want to brag about it if you are innocent.
Unless they want attention.

[Korpg]

Just got to remember that different people have different viewpoints in what is fun in a game.

Some people like grinding their jobs to endgame.

Some people like fighting NMs all of the time.

Some people like doing quests over and over again.

Let people do what they want, having Abyssea just gives another option to people.

[Korpg]

Unless they want attention.

If they wanted attention, they could make outlandish threads like "Get rid of abyssea" on forums.

Either way, come back with better logic next time, and I'll dance with you then.

[rog]

If they wanted attention, they could make outlandish threads like "Get rid of abyssea" on forums.

Either way, come back with better logic next time, and I'll dance with you then.
Outlandish? What is outlandish about this thread?

[Aliekber]

It's sad. Everyone wants to do stuff outside of Abyssea, but they can't because nobody wants to.

If people would get back to REAL FFXI we can XP in Bibiki Bay and fight Vrtra. Where are the skillchains? Where are the BLM in parties? Nowhere, they have to solo. ABYSSEA ruined that and should be taken out of the game.

[rog]

Ohhh, vrtra. That is a fun fight. A fight that i will never again be able to do, because no one wants to leave abyssea.

[Aliekber]

Me and a whole bunch of my friends from different LSes wanted to do Vrtra but we only could get 2 people. Thanks, Abyssea.

[Korpg]

Ohhh, vrtra. That is a fun fight. A fight that i will never again be able to do, because no one wants to leave abyssea.

Thats a strong assumption. You know for a fact that nobody would want to kill Vrtra again?

Even though you are in the minority, you are not alone. And who said that you can't do both?

[rog]

Wow, 2 people? Last time i tried, i shouted for 3 days straight, and could not even get a single other person that wanted to come.

Well, i had one person, but he had to go to abyssea instead.

[Aliekber]

And another thing, I heard that there is "Prime Evil Brew" in Abyssea. I mean WHAT? We're supposed to be the good guys, why are people using this?!

WAKE UP PLAYERBASE

[rog]

I think it might be too late for them to realize their mistakes:(

[Aliekber]

It's a sad day for Vana'diel.

[rog]

Indeed, it is.

[Lynchilles]

I like this thread :)

[Neisan_Quetz]

Passed a level 90 Purple belt Mnk today camping Nue, this would have never happened Pre-Abyssea. Ever. Abyssea needs to be removed for the betterment of FFXI.

[Detoxy]

u people r hopeless abys is the best thing that happned the old ways of pting r over deal with it and move on

[Niklz]

u people r hopeless abys is the best thing that happned the old ways of pting r over deal with it and move on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlodQv4jWOY

[RaenRyong]

Passed a level 90 Purple belt Mnk today camping Nue, this would have never happened Pre-Abyssea. Ever. Abyssea needs to be removed for the betterment of FFXI.

omg -_- I feel sick to my stomach now.

I miss the days where all MNKs made sure they had Black Belts and top of the range gear ready for 75.

[Korpg]

omg -_- I feel sick to my stomach now.

I miss the days where all MNKs made sure they had Black Belts and top of the range gear ready for 75.

That is what happens with bandwagon jobs.

I have seen many BLMs who nuke in MND and MP+ gear.

Seen many WARs who TP in STR rings (level 16 also, just for kicks)

Seen many BLUs who TP in MAcc+ gear because "MAcc makes the spells hit harder"

Should you blame Abyssea for this? Explain Bandwagon SAMs before Abyssea came out.

[rog]

omg -_- I feel sick to my stomach now.

I miss the days where all MNKs made sure they had Black Belts and top of the range gear ready for 75.
Yeah. In my days, no one would even start leveling mnk before they had the three black belt items ready.

[Korpg]

Yeah. In my days, no one would even start leveling mnk because it was a useless job and nobody wanted to mess with it since there were much better DD job choices to choose. Also, half of the game population only chooses a job that is the most "popular" at the time.

Fixed this for you.

[rog]

I am sorry, but that is wrong.

[Greatguardian]

Fixed this for you.

I want to think that you're just really, really bad at trolling Rog back. I do.

But I've read enough FFXIAH to know how dense you can be. So I'll just tell you to quit while you're ... not as far behind as you could potentially be.

[RaenRyong]

Should you blame Abyssea for this? Explain Bandwagon SAMs before Abyssea came out.

There were no bandwagon SAMs before Abyssea. All SAMs at 75 were incredible.

[rog]

Pretty much.

[Korpg]

There were no bandwagon SAMs before Abyssea. All SAMs at 75 were incredible.

It is hard to determine sarcasm on the internet. Was this one?

[rog]

It is hard to determine sarcasm on the internet. Was this one?
Obviously not.

[Neofire]

u people r hopeless abys is the best thing that happned the old ways of pting r over deal with it and move on
Amen, I'm tired of people crying about abyssea.

[Aliekber]

Amen, I'm tired of people crying about abyssea.

ABYSSEA ruined my game now. Why shouldn't I cry? I can't even play RDM because I leeched it and nobody will teach me to play it now. I even shout in Port Jeuno for help but nobody helps they all go to ABYSSEA.

Would this happen before ABYSSEA? NO

[Korpg]

ABYSSEA ruined my game now. Why shouldn't I cry? I can't even play RDM because I leeched it and nobody will teach me to play it now. I even shout in Port Jeuno for help but nobody helps they all go to ABYSSEA.

Would this happen before ABYSSEA? NO

Um...

You are obviously not from Asura, thats for a fact (ignoring your signature).

What you are stating is not the fault of game content, but as being anonymous on the internet. People generally don't help each other out without a profit in hand for them. Not saying that nobody helps, its just that nobody helps without some sort of reward for them.

This is human nature. You expect people to stop what they are doing just to help you with something you should have looked up/research yourself? Kindof expecting a lot, aren't you?

[Aliekber]

Um...

You are obviously not from Asura, thats for a fact (ignoring your signature).

What you are stating is not the fault of game content, but as being anonymous on the internet. People generally don't help each other out without a profit in hand for them. Not saying that nobody helps, its just that nobody helps without some sort of reward for them.

This is human nature. You expect people to stop what they are doing just to help you with something you should have looked up/research yourself? Kindof expecting a lot, aren't you?

No, before ABYSSEA everyone danced together in harmony and we all helped each other.

[rog]

Um...

You are obviously not from Asura, thats for a fact (ignoring your signature).

What you are stating is not the fault of game content, but as being anonymous on the internet. People generally don't help each other out without a profit in hand for them. Not saying that nobody helps, its just that nobody helps without some sort of reward for them.

This is human nature. You expect people to stop what they are doing just to help you with something you should have looked up/research yourself? Kindof expecting a lot, aren't you?It is absolutely the fault of abyssea. Before abyssea he could not possibly have gotten to level 75+ without learning how to play the job. He would have been forced to actually play the game, and grind levels himself, which would have taught him how to play incredibly well. Instead he was forced to leech in abyssea (no one wants to party outside of abyssea), and was not able to learn everything from playing in parties.

[Aliekber]

It is absolutely the fault of abyssea. Before abyssea he could not possibly have gotten to level 75+ without learning how to play the job. He would have been forced to actually play the game, and grind levels himself, which would have taught him how to play incredibly well. Instead he was forced to leech in abyssea (no one wants to party outside of abyssea), and was not able to learn everything from playing in parties.

It's true I wish I knew how to solo but I can't learn. I need to fight Colibri

[rog]

It's true I wish I knew how to solo but I can't learn. I need to fight Colibri
Of course you cannot learn how to solo. As an accomplished soloist, how do you think i learned how to solo? Was it by soloing? Hell no. I learned how to solo by grinding crabs for 75 levels, and applying all that knowledge i learned to harder mobs. If i just tried to go out and solo some hard hnm, i never would have stood a chance, no matter how many times i tried.

[Aliekber]

Of course you cannot learn how to solo. As an accomplished soloist, how do you think i learned how to solo? Was it by soloing? Hell no. I learned how to solo by grinding crabs for 75 levels, and applying all that knowledge i learned to harder mobs. If i just tried to go out and solo some hard hnm, i never would have stood a chance, no matter how many times i tried.

I tried to solo Steely Weapon but I had no skill so I hit for 0 damage and died, you can't learn to fight hard NMs like that if you leech ABYSSEA!

Wwhy can't I fight crabs and play REAL FFXI?!

[rog]

Wwhy can't I fight crabs and play REAL FFXI?!
Because of abyssea.

[Zyeriis]

I tried to solo Steely Weapon but I had no skill so I hit for 0 damage and died, you can't learn to fight hard NMs like that if you leech ABYSSEA!

Wwhy can't I fight crabs and play REAL FFXI?!

This is either an extremely poor attempt at mockery or you're an idiot :/
That is all, I have nothing to add to either moronic side of this "argument", after reading the first page alone.

[rog]

This is either an extremely poor attempt at mockery or you're an idiot :/
He is definitely very serious.

[Aliekber]

This is either an extremely poor attempt at mockery or you're an idiot :/
That is all, I have nothing to add to either moronic side of this "argument", after reading the first page alone.

This is a serious issue please don't make fun

[Zyeriis]

This is a serious issue please don't make fun

Troll harder please.
Making fun of it? Hardly. Both sides are equally, what's a good word for it? {Hmmm.} Foolish? Dimwitted? Take your pick.

If anything i'm pitying this poor excuse for a thread and those trapped in it, regardless of side (both spouting absolute nonsense).

[Aliekber]

Why are you being so mean, we're just trying to help the game.

[rog]

If you do not have anything nice to say, do not say anything at all.

Did your mother never teach you that?

[RaenRyong]

people were more polite at 75 cap too!

ABYSSEA RUINED EVERYTHING

[rog]

people were more polite at 75 cap too!

ABYSSEA RUINED EVERYTHING
Yeah. Someone as mean as zyeriis never would have been around before abyssea.

[Zyeriis]

Yeah. Someone as mean as zyeriis never would have been around before abyssea.

Politeness when you're eyes are bleeding from reading what people are saying, is unheard of. I'm probably the most helpful person you'll ever meet in FFXI pre or post abyssea (started in '06). Spew whatever you like, not like you haven't already.

Before I forget, OH NO! I'm mean! I can't stand moronic threads that are an absolute waste of space that are about removing things from the game, how dare I. I am a horrible horrible person. I also can't stand moronic people who spew nonsense about other people spewing nonsense, about how everything sucked pre-abyssea. How dare I? I can't possibly see the negative and positive sides to everything. I'm far too close-minded for that. No one else is this thread is close-minded, let alone as close-minded as me.

Let me take this time to go jump on the moron express train and make myself a thread about removing jobs from the game because my Samurai can't cast spells like a Black Mage. It'll be to wait for a Black mage to come argue that Black Mage can't weaponskill like Samurai can, and we'll get into a huge argument over something completely idiotic that's never going to happen. I'll be back in a few hours to tell you how it goes.

[rog]

I am moronic because i have a different view than you? That seems uncalled for.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

god people.....if your going to troll, at least try to do it properly -.-

Abyssea is ok, but from the very start it should have been level 70+ content, not 30. The game is now scared, and SE would really have to pull out the ointment to heal it.

[Zyeriis]

I am moronic because i have a different view than you? That seems uncalled for.
You don't like something so you want it to be destroyed? That seems uncalled for.

[rog]

god people.....if your going to troll, at least try to do it properly -.-

Abyssea is ok, but from the very start it should have been level 70+ content, not 30. The game is now scared, and SE would really have to pull out the ointment to heal it.
Requiring level 70 instead of 30 would be a start, but there would still be a lot of other things that would need to be done to balance it. Such as only allowing 1 atma, etc.

[rog]

You don't like something so you want it to be destroyed? That seems uncalled for.
No. Abyssea is the cancer that is killing ffxi, so i want it to be destroyed.

[Korpg]

If you are going to try to troll, at least do a better job than to have 2 different accounts agreeing on the same thing....

[Aliekber]

Who is posting on two accounts? First I have heard of it

[rog]

Uh, what? RaenRyong is a well known poster from bg, and aliekber is pretty well known on alla. Feel free to pm either of them on their respective forums, and they will confirm their identities. Unless you were referring to someone else.

Just because other people agree with me, does not mean i have multiple accounts.

[RaenRyong]

The game is now scared

What's it afraid of?


Requiring level 70 instead of 30 would be a start, but there would still be a lot of other things that would need to be done to balance it. Such as only allowing 1 atma, etc.

They should tone down Atmas too. Something like +10STR on a top end Atma is reasonable. Also greatly reduce the droprates on most items. Then we can really see who's patiently worked hard for their hard earned stat increases, not just some Abyssea-burned noobs who get full af3+2 with STUPID stats and an empyrean in about 9 hours.

[rog]

They should tone down Atmas too. Something like +10STR on a top end Atma is reasonable.I dunno, i think something more like 20 str, or 3 refresh would be great for top tier atma. The cruor buffs would definitely have to go though.

[RaenRyong]

Should limit the amount of temp items you can carry at once too. Also increase monster repop times - it's so annoying getting aggro from a monster I thought I killed a minute ago and I don't want to have to carry around Sneak and Invis items.

[rog]

Yeah, all mobs should be 5 minute repops, like everywhere else, none of this 30 second repop tomfoolery.

Could not agree more about the temp items. It is unfair that everyone can hold 20 different kinds of potions/elixirs/invincible-in-a-bottle items at once.

[RaenRyong]

Stupidly unrealistic.

[rog]

What is stupidly unrealistic? Not sure i understand what you are referring to.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Well Abyssea is fine as it is to a point, as it does work like it was designed, I just don't think that the team thought to far into it, making it level 30. I do agree that some of that Atma needs to be toned down, and maybe a few other adjustments..... the speed at witch things can be obtained is insane. 2 weeks? cool, a week? ok fine, 1-2 days? ...no -.-

[Nikia]

I am amazed that people never stop complaining about things.
Years ago so many people complained about things being too hard or needing a full alliance to do events.
Now people are crying about this being too easy and godmode. I remember doom's godmode meaning i never die. Last i checked I can still die to rani/shin/etc. Abyssea was like breathing life back into a otherwise dead game. How many people would log on and sit in WG just to see if they say a /sh that interested them?
No one is forcing you to play the new content but there are so many of us that enjoy it. Stop complaining about it.
As a side note might want to remember til we are 99 this can all be viewed as a transitionary time. I am sure relics will be back on top by then and a lot will be more balanced. Enjoy the new play style or stop playing til 99 has been in place for 6-12 months and then see what happens

[rog]

How many people would log on and sit in WG just to see if they say a /sh that interested them?I did it for 7 years, so yeah, i would keep doing so.

[Kirby]

This thread makes me wish I had played on Rog's server.

[rog]

Oh, hey kirby. What exactly makes you say that? Because i obviously understand how ffxi should really be, unlike most other people here?

[Kirby]

Pretty much.

You might have kept me playing, having someone rational to talk to ;_;

[rog]

Probably .

[Zumi]

Last i checked I can still die to rani/shin/etc.

That may be true but people almost exclusively brew those thus taking out any challenge to them. If you fought those 2 without a brew congrats to you but the vast majority hasn't because they feel its a waste of time.

But wait some people are so bad they actually take 2-3 brews to kill rani lol.

[rog]

I actually did rani without a brew, since my ls was one of the first on quetz to take it down. It was a very fun, and challenging fight, that took us quite some time (a few hours, though we were not really prepared for it, and did not really know what to expect). It, and shinryu were actually a really nice addition to the game. Unfortunately allowing brews to be bought for only 200k removed the challenge there.

[Enkrateia]

It seems that the thread has become unnecessarily inflammatory and is no longer offering any constructive arguments for either side. Because of this, the thread is being closed.