Chain CP/XP campaign thoughts?

[Zuidar]

I don't know what to say about this, but kinda disappointing and not turning out what I thought when this was announced. I do notice higher gains in higher chains, but I think just double cp/xp across the board may have been better. What do you guys think?

[Krysten]

i dont think its working properly IMO....

[Daniel_Hatcher]

A straight EXP bonus would have been nice, but keeping a chain going isn't really difficult and it's quite nice EXP/CP.

[Fahzewn]

I seem to like it so far. I can't maintain chains that long usually (mainly from spacing and lack of mobs where I go) though but I notice the difference.

[Zarchery]

I can usually get up to around chain #19 or 20 solo before it falls apart. I dunno why. Does the time allowed between mobs get cumulatively shorter with each chain? I always thought it got shorter but then reached a limit. Maybe that's just with XP chains, which always seem to last much longer.

Anyway, to the original question, I'm definitely getting more CP than I did during standard CP, but it doesn't feel like it's more than the normal double CP. Also between now and the last time I did CP on MNK, I added another 135% in bonuses (from Rhapsodies completion and a new Gift).

[Fahzewn]

Does the time allowed between mobs get cumulatively shorter with each chain?

Yes, I'm not sure of the number when it caps or even when it does. It doesn't follow the same time limit that XP/limit chains do, that much is certain.

[Kensagaku]

It caps at 20, as I recall, and it's difficult to maintain that chain solo depending on enemy counts, your hit rate, etc. I favored doing bats in Woh Gates on my mythic DRG, and I could maintain chains of up to 37-38 at best; one Stardiver that didn't hit its full potency or a delay in engaging due to wiping out the bat population and waiting on respawns usually breaks it. That being said, the chain bonuses are quite noticeable; before I finished RoV (+100% CP, not sure where it applies however) and before this campaign, Trizek Ring on bats would get me something in the ballpark of 4500-5000 at Chain 20, where the bonuses seem to cap. During this event I was seeing closer to 11-13k per kill... for the three or four kills that my Trizek Ring lasted! :P my Capacity Ring lasted a lot longer and I was still getting solid 6-6.5k awards around chain 13-20.

[Frankbrodie]

I don't think it's working as effectively as they might have assumed it would.

It looks to me like the xp/cp bonus is slightly better than straight up double xp/cp campaigns *if* you're killing VT's and up and keeping chains on them. Which sensibly means that 90% of people would actually have been better off with a straight up double xp/cp campaign that we've got used to.
I'm not sitting there getting mauled to pieces on my 200 job point BLU fighting the stuff in the new zones for double the capacity points of something decent challenge in Adoulin that I can kill in 3 seconds flat.

[Kensagaku]

The VTs in the new area, or even the VTs in the second Gate maps are both very easy to kill. Generally, on DRG/SAM, I'll get a kill with a single skillchain, which takes probably about 8-10 seconds? If they survive the skillchain of Drakes -> Camlainn's, then they won't last long after that. When I was cycling between a Trizek, Facility, and Capacity Ring, for a while I was getting roughly 25-30 JP/hr. Today, in a few 20-minute sessions, I've not only managed to get about 320ish merits and nearly 125ish JP, going from around 470ish to just shy of 600 JP total. The majority of that was getting a merit just about every kill with no EXP Ring (hitting 5-6k early chain, and up to >10k in later chains), while CP was anywhere from 2-4k without a ring, 3-7k with Capacity ring, and 6-13k with Trizek or Facility Ring. Chains would generally make it to about 28 or 29, and then I'd get called away or I'd have an NM to deal with (I choose not to use the Mollifier so I can get stones, beads, and NM kills towards Spoils Vorseals from Ascended mobs).

The point of that ramble is that you're not going to get "mauled to pieces" if you're moderately well geared and aware of your surroundings. I can't even pull on DRG/SAM, I have to run in head-first, so you have the advantage of being able to use a spell to pull to you, such as Glutinous Dart. Kills shouldn't take longer than it takes for you to do two CDCs to Light, if that.

[Zarchery]

I'm doing MNK job points at my favorite stomping grounds in Escha Ru'Aun, against DC targets, and doing just as well as during the double CP campaigns. Somewhere in the neighborhood of about 800,000 CP per hour. I feel skeptical about Reisenjima because even if the per mob totals are better, they definitely take longer (not a lot longer) to kill.

[dasva]

iirc it doesn't cap till like 200 or so chain. At high chains it definitely beats the double campaign... but for people who were just burning rings probably not. And then if for some reason you lose your chain say overcrowding (pretty big in reisin right now) makes you barely not make it in time then bam your xp goes down to like 1/4-1/5 of what you were getting and time to build up again.

[Zuidar]

iirc it doesn't cap till like 200 or so chain. At high chains it definitely beats the double campaign... but for people who were just burning rings probably not. And then if for some reason you lose your chain say overcrowding (pretty big in reisin right now) makes you barely not make it in time then bam your xp goes down to like 1/4-1/5 of what you were getting and time to build up again.

It's not bad when you have a party of a few people killing mobs in Reisenjima, but I strongly agree with you there that xp/cp just goes way down once the chain breaks. I wish they would extend how long it takes to keep the chain going before it breaks, especially for capacity chains if they intended to have people take advantage of the campaign

[Vanfrano]

Overall I have been getting less cp/hr than with a simple double exp/cp campaign, it is easy to lose chain and the cap is way too far unless you are CPing with a good group in a good camp.
What I find illogical is that they just added the gob in Reisenjima with the merits exchange system, this goes against the idea of double/triple exp chain campaign. If you want to dump your merits every time you hit 75 merits, you don't enjoy the campaign at all.
And since I am not sure where they are going with this exchange system (right now it's ridiculous), I've been dumping my merits just in case.
It's just my opinion but the double campaign was better, even more so for returning players who could enjoy the campaign more easily.

[Secondplanet]

I think how this campaign was carried out is bringing out the worse in the player base. In my LS all i've been hearing is people muscling others out of their camps to maintain their chain since they "need" it for their 6 player party. I've personally lost 2 camps to this as other players felt they needed a 2nd camp to keep their chain going and they didn't care if others chains were broken to make it happen.

[detlef]

I prefer the double XP campaign. There are too many times where something will cause the chain to be broken. Sometimes people need a break, sometimes a lottery spawn NM pops, and sometimes you just don't kill fast enough this one time.

[HopefulNAPlayer]

I was upset that during this 11-day campaign, there were 3 emergency maintenances. Two of these maintenances were during the times in which I primarily play FFXI.

Overall, I think double-CP campaigns are better than increasing the amount of XP you earn from a Chain.

Again, after doing 2 or 3 1-month-long double CP events, I don't understand why we didn't get a double CP campaign and why it wasn't a whole month.