FFXI crossover event comming to FFXIV [Archive]

Alhanelem

10-26-2015, 10:35 AM

Sadly, as awesome as it sounds, knowing XIV with their events, it'll be "talk to a npc, do a fate/click a thing, done, here's a minion" and will be dead within the first few hours of release :/

Tbh, I do hope it's not a minion for the reward. I mean come on, who actually uses those? Can't use them in dungeons so no one sees them.
The halloween event this year has a mount, so that was a bit different.

Also, minions will be used in the new Gold Saucer minigame, so they are about to see their care-itude increase :p

Hopefully they do something nice over here in XI too though. It's only fair.

So Now after the last patch to FFXI hits with an FFXI cross-over to FFXIV pushing players to change games, what will become of the ffxi forums usage with stayed behind players still commenting in there wanting changes to still happen?They know (or should know) full well that the XI players who resent XIV will not come over no matter what they do. Personally, I see it as highlighting the legacy, and things like that and Grandmasters and whatever else they do will ensure that no matter what happens to XI, people will still be reminded of it. I try to look on the bright side. I'm actively subbed to both games right now, and recently finished the SoA storyline (which was great IMO).

Angemon

10-26-2015, 10:45 AM

Alhanelem

10-26-2015, 11:01 AM

If you could pick an NPC in the game and have their look available as gear who would it be? If you want something other than a minion, suggest an alternative :D

Angemon

10-26-2015, 11:04 AM

Well I don't play XIV anymore because I found it boring for my tastes (this latest patch they have seems to be more of the same too...) I think it would be kinda funny if they put Absolute Virtue, Kirin and Pandy Warden in one big Fate and it was impossible to win lol. Then for participating maybe you get classic FFXI items like a Kraken Club, Ridill or some fun glamour toy.

Alhanelem

10-26-2015, 01:40 PM

Well I don't play XIV anymore because I found it boring for my tastes (this latest patch they have seems to be more of the same too...)Far from it, particularly with the new places to visit by airship and stuff, its semi open world content, from the description it sounds kind of like the current format for dynamis (travel to an area for a limited time, you'll find other people / parties there as well), and more difficult locations require a free company (finally). That's basically a brand new system- yeah, there's new dungeons and a raid too like usual, but there are other things like this that aren't part of every single patch. It's not like every new battle content we've gotten here hasn't been essentially the same either, with new high tier missions, more monster rearing ranks and monsters, more wanted battles, etc.

The real problem has been the slow development cycle. This is one of the longest patch intervals I've ever seen in an MMO. But since PvP is always fun for me, that's a great way to enjoy the game when I'm mostly done with other things. I love ballista in XI too... I just wish I could still play it (like, really play it, not just duel). With the lack of even pretty playthings as rewards, ballista all but completely fell off the map after the Royale.

Also, aside from that, I'd like to add that it's a collaboration event, which means there will probably be something for XI as well, even though Yoshida made the announcement. Perhaps the community reps will be able to tell us something here.

Angemon

10-26-2015, 01:57 PM

I don't see how you can say "far from it" when they are basically adding ONE thing that is different (which, is it really different? It seems like hunts ver 2.0 with some gathering aspects) I personally feel all the stuff they are coming out with is the same as always, two new dungeons to spam endlessly on roulette for tomes which will get boring after the 2nd time of doing it and another crystal tower like event. The dungeons are the same setup every single time, fodder mobs > boss > fodder mobs > boss. Nothing different or unique to them. The combat system itself along with gear itemization is BORING (to me, I'm not speaking for everyone.) If there was a point to the gear aside from glamour and it had some longevity, I guess it would be ok. The fact its demolished next major update makes me not even want to attempt to spam those dungeons. Like I said earlier it just doesn't work for me.

To your comment on XI content being all the same, I don't think I can agree there. Sinister Reign and High-Tier battles are different in structure (one has waves of bosses which progressively get harder with diff mechanics, another is a familiar old-world boss with similar mechanics to original and different loot distribution.) It would be like saying it's the same because you kill a monster, well that is any kind of content I guess? At least they all offer rewards that are relevant and stay that way. The itemization and battle system is much better for me which makes it more fun.

Alhanelem

10-26-2015, 02:23 PM

I don't see how you can say "far from it" when they are basically adding ONE thing that is differentHow many brand new contents get added in every XI patch?

All I'm saying is that XI hasn't been innovating any more than XIV has, so it's not a fair criticism. The lords of verminion thing is all new as well, so its not fair to say "one thing."

Sinister Reign and High-Tier battles are different in structure Different XIV bosses are different in structure as well, so this not a reasonable argument. Adding new high tier battles and adding new hard mode bosses is the exact same thing. They are directly analogous. Sinister Reign is just another BCNM, akin to adding a new primal or other boss.

I really don't and didn't want to get into a this game or that game is better crapping contest, because the fact is, both games are good in their own ways. But their development patterns are more similar than people seem to realize.

At least they all offer rewards that are relevant and stay that way. This isn't really all that true even in XI anymore. But I also don't understand the appeal of really old items staying relevant. Personally, after playing a game for years, I would hope that I'd find upgrades and change my appearance and stats over time. Even in the 75 days this wasn't completely true, there was still some stat creep, it just happened slowly. We were a lot more powerful late in Treasures than we were in ROTZ, and not just in sidegrades.

Set aside the "push people" conspiracy theories and resentment for just a moment and try to look at this objectively.

Angemon

10-26-2015, 04:51 PM

How many brand new contents get added in every XI patch?

All I'm saying is that XI hasn't been innovating any more than XIV has, so it's not a fair criticism. The lords of verminion thing is all new as well, so its not fair to say "one thing."

XI is a 14 year old game and is unable to use modern tech to its advantage like XIV can. Compare Seekers of Adoulin expansion and everything it brought vs Heavensward, a 14 year old game brought about a LOT more changes to its core than a 4 year old game made with new gen tech. Does that make sense? The difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is barely noticeable outside of flying. XI has certainly been innovating for an old game with its capabilities, it could have been even more if it's own DEVs/company didn't give up on it (at least on PC platform.) The difference between pre-Adoulin and post-Adoulin is huge, don't even pretend XI hasn't innovated at all. Heavensward has been out for almost 5 months now? When Adoulin was out that long we had systems in place that weren't even seen before (ileve, Delve, Colonization, new jobs.) You can't really count fluff mini-games as content, otherwise Monstrosity is conveniently missing from your content examples.

Different XIV bosses are different in structure as well, so this not a reasonable argument. Adding new high tier battles and adding new hard mode bosses is the exact same thing. They are directly analogous. Sinister Reign is just another BCNM, akin to adding a new primal or other boss.

I really don't and didn't want to get into a this game or that game is better crapping contest, because the fact is, both games are good in their own ways. But their development patterns are more similar than people seem to realize.

You say that but I only left my opinion on what I felt, you decided to challenge my OPINION with your own opinion. So maybe you did want to turn this into some kind of contest in defense of XIV. I've stated multiple times that it just didn't work for me, yet I guess you felt my opinions were wrong.

This isn't really all that true even in XI anymore. But I also don't understand the appeal of really old items staying relevant. Personally, after playing a game for years, I would hope that I'd find upgrades and change my appearance and stats over time. Even in the 75 days this wasn't completely true, there was still some stat creep, it just happened slowly. We were a lot more powerful late in Treasures than we were in ROTZ, and not just in sidegrades.

Set aside the "push people" conspiracy theories and resentment for just a moment and try to look at this objectively.

What do I need to look at objectively? Are you trying to change my opinion of XIV for some reason? I just don't like it and stated my reasons but you are trying to make them seem wrong. I do think its still true in FFXI, we still use old items from lv75 cap/beyond and very few items get completely destroyed by new ones in the recent updates. I think a middle ground is fine (which I feel current XI has) but the way XIV goes about it just doesn't sit well with me, I guess that is the WoW model? I'm not sure since i never really played it but that was another reason I disliked it. You do dungeons and make sure you cap every single week, just so they can uncap the tomes/drops and put them in dungeons. If you don't do the highest tier content (coil or savage alex) there is 0 point in trying to be the best because all that gear really doesn't do much.

Vanfrano

10-26-2015, 07:02 PM

FFXIV is a full-time FFXI crossover event anyway with all the models and stuff taken from here :D
Sadly they forgot to take quality and originality along.

Alhanelem

10-27-2015, 01:17 AM

yet I guess you felt my opinions were wrong. That's the the thing about opinions. People don't always agree with them. I didn't declare you "wrong", I disagreed with you, and there's a difference.

FFXIV is a full-time FFXI crossover event anyway with all the models and stuff taken from here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/images/smilies/biggrin.png
Sadly they forgot to take quality and originality along.http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/954/323/394.jpg

FFXI borrowed tons of stuff from Everquest and other early MMOs, so it's not original.
As for the quality? Maybe you just forgot to put your glasses on, because it's there...

Are you trying to change my opinion of XIV for some reason?No. If there's one thing i've learned about forums, is it's you can never change anybody's opinion on anything. However, your opinion is based on assertions you're making that simply aren't true. You're of course welcome to keep whatever opinion you want, I"m just pointing out that your opinion is based on flawed reasoning. As for an example,

The difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is barely noticeable outside of flying. XI has certainly been innovating for an old game with its capabilitiesSOA added new areas. It basically borrowed the FATE system from FFXIV.It added new areas. New boss battles. It added more storylines. It added new raid content. Heavensward did all these things too, minus the borrowing FATEs part. It's not fair for you to say XI innovated while XIV didn't. Both expansions added basically all the same new things.

There's a difference between not liking something and bashing it. This is a bashing thread. There's no objective criticism in it.

I love XI, and have sung its praises all over I'm sitll playing it now, as I write this post. I consider both to be great games. I do however find it difficult to express this when people spend so much energy bashing another game I just so happen to like as well. I'm just sick of these hate threads. I even get this funny feeling people think I"m here to bash XI, but I'm not. I'm PLAYING IT RIGHT NOW. I think that says something about its allure.

Vanfrano

10-27-2015, 02:13 AM

SOA added new areas. It basically borrowed the FATE system from FFXIV.It added new areas. New boss battles. It added more storylines. It added new raid content. Heavensward did all these things too, minus the borrowing FATEs part. It's not fair for you to say XI innovated while XIV didn't. Both expansions added basically all the same new things.

SOA added:
- New areas.
- ilvl upgrades.
- Lair/Colonization/Wildskeeper Reives, which drop useful capes and items tied to Skirmishes.
- Skirmishes/Alluvion Skirmishes with a different goal in each zone and several levels of difficulty, along with several augmentable sets.
- Delve and Delve NMs in the new areas with accessories and augmentable sets.
- Mog Garden.
- Coalition Assignments.
- Incursion.
- Sinister Reign.
- Vagary.
- Job points/gifts.

HW added:
- Flying.
- New empty areas with Hunts and fetch quests (same as ARR) and FATEs to get minions, glamours and bot for some exp.
- Several dungeons, useless drops except for glamour, useless when you're level 60 (same as ARR). But you will probably have to do them again for the next "relics".
- Bismarck/Ravana, already useless (same as Ifrit/Titan/Shiva/Leviathan/Ramuh/Garuda in ARR).
- Alex and Alex Savage (same as Bahamut in ARR).
- New tomestones (same as ARR).
- Company Workshop (new!).
- Minion fights (wtf?).
- Void Ark (same as Crystal Tower in ARR).
- Exploratory Missions (probably another spamfest).

There is a difference between borrowing ideas and copying everything straight from other games all the while pretending that you've been working your a** off for years. And ironically, making it worse than what it is on the games the ideas have been stolen from. FFXIV doesn't bring anything new to the table. At least they get to have some cool-looking mobs on FFXIV, because the ones that are not borrowed from FFXI (mainly, but other FF too) look terrible.
FFXI is indeed inspired by Everquest but it has its own soul and essence and for playing Everquest I can tell you that FFXI brought many new and original things.

Even RoV, a free final addon, brings more things than HW. And considering they want to release an extension each year on FFXIV, I doubt HW has a lot to offer anyway. It's all about easy money-woney.

Alhanelem

10-27-2015, 03:52 AM

Your post is loaded with so much bias, it's insulting. But hey, let's play this game. Since you failed to add any cynical criticisms to the FFXI bullet points, I threw some in (Even though I actually enjoy it all in spite of this).

I might not have even responded if you didn't add spin to each line and merely listed the contents.

SOA added:
- New areas. Like every expansion for every MMO in existence.
- ilvl upgrades. HW did this too.
- Lair/Colonization/Wildskeeper Reives, which are exactly like FFXIV's FATEs. Copied straight out of that.
- Skirmishes/Alluvion Skirmishes with a different goal in each zone and several levels of difficulty, along with several augmentable sets. - Probably the most unique addition. I'll give it that, but the gear upgrade system is complex, tedious, and would go on to be copied for other new contents as well, each with their own unique -lixir or -stone type currency for upgrades. Same content, different coat of paint.
- Delve and Delve NMs in the new areas with accessories and augmentable sets. Delve is /was SOA's endgame raid. it's analogous to FFXIV and coil / Alexander, perhaps with more non-boss complexity.
- Mog Garden. I entered the mog garden once and pretty much forgot about it. It's a new feature so I'll give credit where it's due though.
- Coalition Assignments- Fancy name for fetch quests / go there and do this quests.
- Incursion. Too similar to other added battle content to be considered its own thing.
- Sinister Reign. It's just a BCNM, why are we painting this like it's unique content?
- Vagary. Another endgame raid.
- Job points/gifts. The biggest grind in the history of gaming. However, not without its merits.

Heavensward added
- Flight (You say this like there's something wrong with that)
- New empty areas with Hunts and fetch quests (same as ARR) and FATEs to get minions, glamours and bot for some exp. -You couldn't load any more bias in this if you tried. They're no more or less "empty" than the new areas in XI.
- Several dungeons, useless drops except for glamour, useless when you're level 60 (same as ARR). But you will probably have to do them again for the next "relics". - Dungeon drops have use that goes far beyond what you say. But this is no different than SOA's battle content, each of which uses similar kinds of drop/upgrade systems with stones, stones +1 and stones +2.
- Bismarck/Ravana, already useless (same as Ifrit/Titan/Shiva/Leviathan/Ramuh/Garuda in ARR). - Fair, but many added boss fights since SoA are mostly useless as well except for dropping Rem Tale pages, which you can get from ANY high tier boss fight, not any one in particular.
- Alex and Alex Savage (same as Bahamut in ARR). Just like new high tier missions in XI are the same as the originals
- New tomestones (same as ARR). - Fair comment, but SoA has added a bunch of new endgame currencies too, and they're all event specific, whereas tomestones can be earned from a variety of sources.
- Company Workshop (new!).
- Minion fights (wtf?). Just because you can't come up with something objective to say doesn't mean it's not new content
- Void Ark (same as Crystal Tower in ARR) - Same in purpose only. Hello bias!
- Exploratory Missions (probably another spamfest). Nope. This is actually just the precursor to the:
- brand new airship content, that takes you to new open world locations in a manner similar to the current Dynamis system.
- You also forgot a new PvP battle, but I don't blame you for that because PvP in XI has been long since dead.

They definitely have stuck a lot to familiar in HW, but so has FFXI. While I do understand people not caring for the carrot on a stick, that's not what this was about- You were simply listing features added, but you had to throw your bias into it by adding negative spin to anything about XIV and positive spin to anything about XI.

Even RoV, a free final addon, brings more things than HW. No, it doesn't. All it brings is a new story and making old content easier. To compare that to an entire expansion is ludicrous.

I doubt HW has a lot to offer anyway. If you haven't played it, you don't know. It has tons to offer. Maybe not to you personally, since you're so biased against it.

-edit- Sigh.You're trolling me, and I fell for it. I can't change your FFXIV resentment. OP, I'm sorry that this thread derailed into an FFXIV bashing thread.

Vanfrano

10-27-2015, 04:10 AM

If you haven't played it, you don't know. It has tons to offer. Maybe not to you personally, since you're so biased against it.

I bought and played it, this is why I dare say what I think about this joke of a game. Otherwise I wouldn't say a word.

Alhanelem

10-27-2015, 04:17 AM

I bought and played it, this is why I dare say what I think about this joke of a game. Otherwise I wouldn't say a word.
You wouldn't have said something like that if you had bought and played it. How can you merely "doubt" if you've actually played it? You should know for sure what you think by that point.

Also, I would have had little to say as well if you kept the spin out of your list.

What bugged me the most in this thread isn't even this debate. it's that this thread came out right as the live letter was going on. It was called a collaboration event, which implies they're working with the XI team. It's highly probable that there will also be something happening over here, but everyone is assuming that it isn't the case.

Also announced in the live letter was a major change for materia and crafting. They've announced that crafted stuff is going to be "good" again, and that dungeon/raid etc. drops will now allow materia. This is actually a pretty big deal, because historically, crafted stuff was mostly useless except for glamour, and raid drops had no customization (probably my biggest gripe.)

(Actually the funny part about the above is since 3.0, ive seen RMT spammers selling crafted gear for real money in addition to gil, even though few people would buy it)

Daniel_Hatcher

10-27-2015, 04:56 AM

I bought and played it, this is why I dare say what I think about this joke of a game. Otherwise I wouldn't say a word.

I guess you never played FFXI at launch either then.

Raydeus

10-27-2015, 09:23 AM

Alhanelem

10-27-2015, 11:11 AM

It's fairly simple really. XIV is just a disposable WoW-clone, and XI was sacrificed for it.It's been made very clear the reason why things are the way they are, and even though everyone belives what you said, it's not the truth. XI would still be running into a development tool problem now whether or not XIV ever existed. And even before FFXI was released, they didn't expect it to stay strong as long as it did (Why would they think so? Few games last this many years no matter how good they are). I refuse to believe the conspiracy theories. I've even seen people claim Abyssea was a deliberate attempt to kill the game, and that's one of the most absurd arguments I've ever heard. If they wanted to just kill it, they would have simply done so.

And while I don't play it, I still fail to see why WoW and any other game that resembles it in any way gets so much hate. I mean, for all intents and purposes, it was a successful game. Do we just hate on things because they succeed? FFXIV doesn't seem "disposable" to me, either Lots of other games have tried cloning wow with crappy results at best, and virtually every attempt has gone free to play. XIV hasn't. It's already in its third year not counting 1.0.

But I accept at this point that people like me that appriciate what both games have to offer are a rarity and I will forever be scorned for not branding FFXIV a steaming pile of whatsit. I guess it's like an American Football fan going to a football stadium in europe and telling the fans there you like American Football just as much as Not American Football.

Angemon

10-27-2015, 12:43 PM

It's fairly simple really. XIV is just a disposable WoW-clone, and XI was sacrificed for it.

Some people enjoy XIV because of that, others don't. And I sure as hell will never play it again. So when XI is shut down I'll just move on to other games. For instance Korean MMOs are evolving in interesting ways these days, and there are some VR-MMO games in the early stages right now as well. So it's not like XIV is of any importance anymore.

I feel the same bitterness :/. What's even funnier is the producer from XIV made a statement on their forums that XIV is having an event collaboration to "match the grand scale" of XI's finale. It's almost like they want people to quit XI and move over after the update, with a smug grin on their faces. This game was sacrificed mercilessly for that garbage, WOTG with the brunt of it where we recieved like 0 updates and now where the game is being shut off on PC (since they stated they dont want to revamp XI for PC since it will compete with their baby) and being slapped onto a mobile market.

Alhanelem

10-27-2015, 01:00 PM

I feel the same bitterness :/. What's even funnier is the producer from XIV made a statement on their forums that XIV is having an event collaboration to "match the grand scale" of XI's finale. It's almost like they want people to quit XI and move over after the update, with a smug grin on their faces. This game was sacrificed mercilessly for that garbage, WOTG with the brunt of it where we recieved like 0 updates and now where the game is being shut off on PC (since they stated they dont want to revamp XI for PC since it will compete with their baby) and being slapped onto a mobile market.
Again, you / we don'tknow they aren't doing anything on this side. You need two or more parties for a "collaboration."

Angemon

10-27-2015, 02:05 PM

I don't think we see eye to eye on this :) I'll just head out of the discussion for now. Also on a final note:

It's been made very clear the reason why things are the way they are, and even though everyone belives what you said, it's not the truth. XI would still be running into a development tool problem now whether or not XIV ever existed. And even before FFXI was released, they didn't expect it to stay strong as long as it did (Why would they think so? Few games last this many years no matter how good they are). I refuse to believe the conspiracy theories. I've even seen people claim Abyssea was a deliberate attempt to kill the game, and that's one of the most absurd arguments I've ever heard. If they wanted to just kill it, they would have simply done so.

This simply is not true. They stated in the translation of their event in March that they would not want to recreate FFXI on PC (which is why they are going mobile) because it would cannibalize its own subscribers from their other two MMOs (Dragon Quest online and FFXIV.) If those games didn't exist (specifically XIV) they would have invested in making FFXI for PC or at the least they would do what they are doing now with Nexons but with PC instead of mobile.

Altered

10-27-2015, 02:11 PM

not expecting anything but a minion or two tbh. would be cool if the ffxiv dev team awarded the ffxi af armors for jobs in both xi-xiv

Morovich

10-27-2015, 05:07 PM

The game is being shut down only on the console systems but not on the PC. There is no remake being made for the PC though however that is correct.

Belmonts

10-27-2015, 05:50 PM

not expecting anything but a minion or two tbh. would be cool if the ffxiv dev team awarded the ffxi af armors for jobs in both xi-xiv

Even if its just for showing off, I'd love a RDM relic attire on ff14 (´・ω・)！

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 01:33 AM

This simply is not true. They stated in the translation of their event in March that they would not want to recreate FFXI on PC (which is why they are going mobile) because it would cannibalize its own subscribers from their other two MMOs (Dragon Quest online and FFXIV.) If those games didn't exist (specifically XIV) they would have invested in making FFXI for PC or at the least they would do what they are doing now with Nexons but with PC instead of mobile. Except we both know that would be extremely unlikely to happen.

Fawkes

10-28-2015, 02:37 AM

When they did the first crossover event I was hoping for an O-hat and scorpion harness for glamour in XIV. Usually when they do an event people stand around wearing the event gear for a while, and I thought it would be funny to see a bunch of people wearing that (again).

But since this event sounds like a 'farewell to XI' themed event I would probably want more than just a fun joke. Although the event is in 2 weeks and they didn't show any pictures of gear so I probably shouldn't get my hopes up.

Masamune11

10-28-2015, 03:48 AM

Are there really this many people that hate FFXIV? I can completely understand if FFXI is more your cup of tea. But I'm surprised at how many people are calling FFXIV garbage. I used to think the same about WoW. I even played WoW for a few months - but I never got to endgame. That's the key. You really can't judge a game until you've seen its endgame content.

Is there anyone here bashing FFXIV that made it all the way to endgame? Anyone here bashing FFXIV that played Heavensward? Care to link your profile? Have you guys checked out Heavensward on Metacritic?

I hope more people give it a chance. I truly do. There's room for both MMOs - but unfortunately most have already packed their bags and left FFXI. SE is not killing FFXI to bring more players to FFXIV. The truth of the matter is that an FFXI server averages 300 players online at a time. FFXIV has 5 million "registered" users whereas FFXI never hit 2 million "registered" or more than 500k "active." How may players would SE truly be bringing to FFXIV by killing FFXI? I can't imagine there being more than 50K currently active subscribers.

Bottom line: I don't want FFXI to die. I love the game. I hope it can stick around for years to come.

Vanfrano

10-28-2015, 04:26 AM

Masamune11

10-28-2015, 04:45 AM

Here http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1228600/.
I left before Alex Savage, seeing as Heavensward was the exact same joke as ARR... and just like I did during 2.0, I came back running to dear Vana'diel.
On the other hand, I'd probably still play if the game was more like FFXIV 1.23.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. You probably wouldn't call FFXIV garbage though? You obviously (at a time) found it enjoyable enough to invest a large amount of time into it. I would fair to venture you'll likely return? I personally think both are great games and I like the option to be able to play both. I just find it absurd when someone says that they think SE is killing FFXI to bring more people to FFXIV.

Vanfrano

10-28-2015, 05:00 AM

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. You probably wouldn't call FFXIV garbage though? You obviously (at a time) found it enjoyable enough to invest a large amount of time into it. I would fair to venture you'll likely return? I personally think both are great games and I like the option to be able to play both. I just find it absurd when someone says that they think SE is killing FFXI to bring more people to FFXIV.

To be honest, I never enjoyed FFXIV since 2.0. I played because my friends were there, most of us left around 2.2 seeing as everything was going to be the same with each and every update. Some of us came back for Heavensward to judge by ourselves and we ended up leaving again. We probably won't come back again this time unless there is a major change in this game's vision, which will never happen I think.
Regarding SE, I hope -for them- that they know that most of the people who are still playing FFXI now will never play FFXIV or they would have already done so. Anyway, too bad for them, the quality of their last games and especially FFXIV is really questionable so once they close FFXI that will be less money for them from me and other people as this is probably going to be my last FF.

As far as I'm concerned, SE became devoid of any passion for their games and respect for their players. Their only focus is money. FFXIV (and Yoshida) is the perfect representation of what became of SE.

Daniel_Hatcher

10-28-2015, 07:49 AM

To be honest, I never enjoyed FFXIV since 2.0. I played because my friends were there, most of us left around 2.2 seeing as everything was going to be the same with each and every update. Some of us came back for Heavensward to judge by ourselves and we ended up leaving again. We probably won't come back again this time unless there is a major change in this game's vision, which will never happen I think.
Regarding SE, I hope -for them- that they know that most of the people who are still playing FFXI now will never play FFXIV or they would have already done so. Anyway, too bad for them, the quality of their last games and especially FFXIV is really questionable so once they close FFXI that will be less money for them from me and other people as this is probably going to be my last FF.

As far as I'm concerned, SE became devoid of any passion for their games and respect for their players. Their only focus is money. FFXIV (and Yoshida) is the perfect representation of what became of SE.

I'm not sure the few playing still on FFXI will bother them much, especially when most will still pay the fee month after month when the updates stop.

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 08:11 AM

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. You probably wouldn't call FFXIV garbage though? You obviously (at a time) found it enjoyable enough to invest a large amount of time into it. I would fair to venture you'll likely return? I personally think both are great games and I like the option to be able to play both. I just find it absurd when someone says that they think SE is killing FFXI to bring more people to FFXIV.

The're adding brand new systems during HW, so it's not really hte same old "joke" (not that it was a "joke" before). As I explained earlier in the thread, many of the recent patches to FFXI have also followed the same pattern, adding new job points/gifts, extending the story, adding new boss battles, etc. I'm actively playing both games on different days and I love them both, I'm just sick of seeing this argument when the game's development cycles are more similar than anyone is willing to admit.

Are there really this many people that hate FFXIV? I can completely understand if FFXI is more your cup of tea. But I'm surprised at how many people are calling FFXIV garbage. I used to think the same about WoW. I even played WoW for a few months - but I never got to endgame. That's the key. You really can't judge a game until you've seen its endgame content.

You're on the FF11 forum. Nearly everyone that's stilll playing at this point has massive resentment for FFXIV's mere existence, regardless of how good or bad they might think it is if they played it. It could be the best game on planet earth (I definitely wouldn't go that far) and they would still hate it just because it exists.

Of course, the same is also true on the FF14 forum, anyone that writes anything praising FF11 or saying they should implement something from it gets the same sort of treatment over there. People willing to look at both in an objective manner are rare.

Also, though I never played either of them I'm wiling to bet the same sort of thing happened with Everquest and Everquest 2.

Jin_Uzuki

10-28-2015, 09:45 AM

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 10:22 AM

lol Alhanelem. I've seen you defending FFXIV bad choices ever since the beta on FFXIV forums...

The amount of content Matsui has been put out with his tiny budged compared to Yoshi-P and his "top mmorpg" staff is simply amazing. In FFXIV everything feel the same, while in FFXI even content like Escha managed to have an unique feeling and it's actually exiting. I guess it has to do with FFXI having a stronger bases that allows the player to be creative and free, it has stats, JA and horizontal progression, while FFXIV is more like an exercise of repetition that gets numb after a while.Amount of content? It's all rehashed content. It's not like they developed actual new systems for new features or anything. They're all just variations on existing themes amd mehcanics. It's no different than what's going on in FFXIV. Every FFXI update has some combination of new high tier mission fights (rehashes of old mission fights), new job points/gifts, and other BCNMs that are rehashes of existing ones (e.g. harder versions of old BCNMs, the avatars, etc.). The esha areas are literally a recolor of existing areas with different enemies and a different backstory. Ignoring these facts just speaks to your extreme bias. But, since you're lavishing FFXI with praise while bashing FFXIV, you're going to get the likes around here while more objective people like me who look at all sides get insulted (like with the opening to your response) and scorned.

Whilst saying this, I too am impressed with what the FFXI team has accomplished, but I say so without downplaying that FFXIV has done. FFXI is as fun as it's ever been, and that's why I came back- In spite of what I said above, they managed to to use the same material while adding some freshness to it. But I also enjoy and appriciate what FFXIV's team has done.

Beyond that, what you consider "bad choices" may be considered by others to be good choices. Who died and made your opinion the only one that counts? How about you stop attacking the person and try being objective for once? Your response only proves the point I made in my previous post. I'm not really even trying to defend anything so much as trying to get people to view things with a more objective eye. But it seems like I'd have more success trying to train siberian tigers.

As far as I'm concerned, SE became devoid of any passion for their games and respect for their players. Their only focus is money. FFXIV (and Yoshida) is the perfect representation of what became of SE. I think it's pretty absurd to argue that the FFXIV team doesn't have passion for what they're making. The company may support them because it's making money, but the reason it's making money is because the team making the product is clearly passionate about what they're making. And respecting their players? Huge swaths of changes to the game are directly based on player feedback (while over here we're screaming for them to fix the BST they broke and they don't seem to be listening).

BurnNotice

10-28-2015, 11:09 AM

IMO, FFXIV is a good game for many, just not a good game for me. I gave it about 6 months, learn some great things, met some cool people, and enjoyed a really good storyline. However, continuing to play FFXIV was like trying to make a bad relationship work when it wouldn't. I just couldn't find what I found in FFXI. That sense of accomplishment, the long days waiting to for NMs to spawn and running with your 18~36 LS members to claim it, an engaging storyline like ROZ, COP, TAU, WOTG, ect. It was something special. I am not saying I was expecting that from FFXIV (too old and have a family to do that now lol).

I have to say my son and his friends/cousins loves to play FFXIV. They enjoy it like I enjoy FFXI. FFXIV has drawn a large, new audience to entertain. Clearly the game is for the new blood and maybe a handful of FFXI Vets/Retirees. As much as I respect and appreciate FFXIV and have a couple of subs for my son, I personally am more connect to FFXI and I will retire with it and move back to console games.

FYI, I still play FF8. :)

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 02:01 PM

Vold

10-28-2015, 03:02 PM

I am glad to be done with Final Fantasy Groundhog Day with zero game economy, but I'm not sure why they are going to do this. It's bad enough that they leave us out to dry. They gotta put salt in the wound too by hyping the end of the game over at #2 FF MMO? Gee, thanks. Gosh I just want to resub to FFXIV to experience the celebration! of the ending of my current MMORPG.... yeah...

Remember when I said that it would be SE and not the playerbase who would end FFXI? No, none of you do because you don't care, but I said it time and again. I just never conceived that they would end it prematurely under the guise that they lack replacement dev kits and then dance on our graves in their other FF MMO. I for one will not reward them by resubbing to XIV after the day this game goes offline because of a lack of dev support. I too will return to console games(with bitterness) and say goodbye to MMOing for the most part. I still try to get back into STO once in awhile, and some are trying to get me into EQ but it's just so unfun to grind from level 1...

But hey, I hope you guys have a great time during your celebration over at XIV. I'm sure you'll get some FFXI-ish reward or some damn thing. Just remember while you grind your DoHs for no real reason besides melding, and you replace all of your gear every other month or 3, and spend all gil you made off of materia on materia, it will never be as flipping awesome as the day you set foot in Vana'diel, and that is what makes FFXI #1 FF MMO!

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 03:46 PM

Daniel_Hatcher

10-28-2015, 05:22 PM

But hey, I hope you guys have a great time during your celebration over at XIV. I'm sure you'll get some FFXI-ish reward or some damn thing. Just remember while you grind your DoHs for no real reason besides melding, and you replace all of your gear every other month or 3, and spend all gil you made off of materia on materia, it will never be as flipping awesome as the day you set foot in Vana'diel, and that is what makes FFXI #1 FF MMO!

"flipping awesome as the day you set foot in Vana'diel"

Which was when the game was plain awful, it took several Expansions before it got any good, I guess you're loving those rose-tinted glasses.

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 05:42 PM

You know, i'd rather replace my gear now and again than wear the same stuff for several years straight because every new item that comes out isn't useful to my job(s) while job X keeps getting new stuff patch after patch.

For me in particular, it hasn't been until the last year and a half or so that the jobs I play have gotten anything new/cool/cool looking. And it wasn't until not that long ago where we became actually able to display all that cosmetic event gear without sacrificing our stats.

Vanfrano

10-28-2015, 05:43 PM

"flipping awesome as the day you set foot in Vana'diel"

Which was when the game was plain awful, it took several Expansions before it got any good, I guess you're loving those rose-tinted glasses.

The game was never as awful as you make it out to be. I started with the US release, I never ever got bored since. I am not saying it didn't have any flaws but it never pretended to be the perfect game in the first place, unlike your cherished FFXIV. I remember my first steps in San d'Oria, in Ronfaure, the music, the magic, the people I met. I cared about the world, cared for the NPCs of Vana'diel, cared for the friends I made, cared about my character, pretty much each and every piece of equipment I got had a story. I'm sorry if I've never been able to feel the same in FFXIV, I never cared about anything in Eorzea, never missed the game when I had to take a break for work or holidays, never was happy coming back after said break because there is nothing deep and attaching in this game.
If you like your memories of spamming FATEs, entering one-way dungeons through a hub, throwing equipment every three months, avoiding scripted red circles on the floor, exploring an empty world and not playing the way you want, good for you. We seem to prefer a slightly deeper experience.

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 05:44 PM

The game was never as awful as you make it out to be. I started with the US release, I never ever got bored sinceWe had it easy. The game was really, really rough prior to the NA release. A lot of changes were made, probably in anticipation of the NA playerbase not being as god tier as the JP playerbase, in the months before the NA launch.

Heck, ive heard accounts that the JP pre-launch beta was debatably worse than FFXIV 1.0's beta phases.

FFXI is an amazing game, but it didn't become amazing overnight.

Vanfrano

10-28-2015, 05:54 PM

We had it easy. The game was really, really rough prior to the NA release. A lot of changes were made, probably in anticipation of the NA playerbase not being as god tier as the JP playerbase, in the months before the NA launch.

Heck, ive heard accounts that the JP pre-launch beta was debatably worse than FFXIV 1.0's beta phases.

FFXI is an amazing game, but it didn't become amazing overnight.

Indeed the release and the state of the game at JP release was bad, but it was their very first attempt at an MMO, 1.0 was their second, 2.0 was their third. FFXIV is two years old, five if you include 1.0. Zilart released one year after the original release and a lot of things were already fixed.

Anyway, come and play FFXI, you spend too much time around here, it's bad for your nerves.

Raydeus

10-28-2015, 06:00 PM

Anyway, come and play FFXI, you spend too much time around here, it's bad for your nerves.

Better send him to XIV, last thing XI players probably want is a XIV apologist preaching to them non-freaking-stop. <_<

Jin_Uzuki

10-28-2015, 10:19 PM

Amount of content? It's all rehashed content. It's not like they developed actual new systems for new features or anything. They're all just variations on existing themes amd mehcanics. It's no different than what's going on in FFXIV. Every FFXI update has some combination of new high tier mission fights (rehashes of old mission fights), new job points/gifts, and other BCNMs that are rehashes of existing ones (e.g. harder versions of old BCNMs, the avatars, etc.). The esha areas are literally a recolor of existing areas with different enemies and a different backstory. Ignoring these facts just speaks to your extreme bias. But, since you're lavishing FFXI with praise while bashing FFXIV, you're going to get the likes around here while more objective people like me who look at all sides get insulted (like with the opening to your response) and scorned.

Whilst saying this, I too am impressed with what the FFXI team has accomplished, but I say so without downplaying that FFXIV has done. FFXI is as fun as it's ever been, and that's why I came back- In spite of what I said above, they managed to to use the same material while adding some freshness to it. But I also enjoy and appriciate what FFXIV's team has done.

Beyond that, what you consider "bad choices" may be considered by others to be good choices. Who died and made your opinion the only one that counts? How about you stop attacking the person and try being objective for once? Your response only proves the point I made in my previous post. I'm not really even trying to defend anything so much as trying to get people to view things with a more objective eye. But it seems like I'd have more success trying to train siberian tigers.

Sad thing is, the majority of FFXIV fanbase agreed with you and Yoshi-P "awesome" vision of the game back then, and look what we got. An empty game with no content and bad itemization. An exercise of numbness.

Hopefully Matsui or someone else will be put in charge of the next FF MMORPG.

Angemon

10-28-2015, 11:01 PM

I think they plan to move all DEV's off FFXI at the end. I wouldn't doubt they will take Matsui and bring him to the XIV team, kinda feel annoyed on that but maybe he will do them some good.

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 11:53 PM

Sad thing is, the majority of FFXIV fanbase agreed with you and Yoshi-P "awesome" vision of the game back then, and look what we got. An empty game with no content and bad itemization. An exercise of numbness.

Hopefully Matsui or someone else will be put in charge of the next FF MMORPG.
There's nothing sad about a bunch of players enjoying a game. Your comments reek of hatred for the sake of such (e.g. trolling) as they have no basis in reality.

Hopefully Matsui or someone else will be put in charge of the next FF MMORPG. Hopefully they won't ever make another one because of the resentment it will inevitably breed.

Alhanelem

10-28-2015, 11:57 PM

Better send him to XIV, last thing XI players probably want is a XIV apologist preaching to them non-freaking-stop. <_<
This comment is rude and insulting. More proof that players aren't allowed to enjoy both games. I enjoy XI with a great linkshell full of friendly people, thank you very much. Why am I not allowed to also like something you don't like?

Sad how this thread had to turn into a bunch of baseless personal attacks and hating for the sake of hating.

Daniel_Hatcher

10-29-2015, 01:37 AM

The game was never as awful as you make it out to be. I started with the US release, I never ever got bored since. I am not saying it didn't have any flaws but it never pretended to be the perfect game in the first place, unlike your cherished FFXIV. I remember my first steps in San d'Oria, in Ronfaure, the music, the magic, the people I met. I cared about the world, cared for the NPCs of Vana'diel, cared for the friends I made, cared about my character, pretty much each and every piece of equipment I got had a story. I'm sorry if I've never been able to feel the same in FFXIV, I never cared about anything in Eorzea, never missed the game when I had to take a break for work or holidays, never was happy coming back after said break because there is nothing deep and attaching in this game.
If you like your memories of spamming FATEs, entering one-way dungeons through a hub, throwing equipment every three months, avoiding scripted red circles on the floor, exploring an empty world and not playing the way you want, good for you. We seem to prefer a slightly deeper experience.

No, you simply don't remember how bad it was.

Unlike my cherished FFXIV, say wha? I have no problems with someone not liking FFXIV, going from FFXI to FFXIV it's not hard to see how it could loose several players, the problem I have is with people who played it once, or even never then slating the game because they think it makes them "cool."

You want a "Deeper experience" so play FFXI, that's hilarious.

Angemon

10-29-2015, 01:56 AM

Multiple people have played FFXIV here that are criticizing it, have you not read that already?

Daniel_Hatcher

10-29-2015, 02:01 AM

Multiple people have played FFXIV here that are criticizing it, have you not read that already?

The same people posting the same complaints that take 2 seconds to Google (to find) you mean? Claiming you played something and actually playing it are two different things.

Angemon

10-29-2015, 02:02 AM

One of the guys linked his profile man... it's not like its some special club that only a few can join. I'm sure by now many have tried XIV and formed their opinions.

Daniel_Hatcher

10-29-2015, 02:05 AM

One of the guys linked his profile man... it's not like its some special club that only a few can join. I'm sure by now many have tried XIV and formed their opinions.

And a lot have let others form their opinions for them, or have decided to jump on the bandwagon, people like a moan and rarely is having any knowledge in the subject necessary to do so.

Vanfrano

10-29-2015, 02:08 AM

The same people posting the same complaints that take 2 seconds to Google (to find) you mean? Claiming you played something and actually playing it are two different things.

So you're admitting that all the criticism found here about FFXIV is easily found on Google?
"That's hilarious" :)

Daniel_Hatcher

10-29-2015, 02:11 AM

So you're admitting that all the criticism found here about FFXIV is easily found on Google?
"That's hilarious" :)

Yes, about the game at launch, imagine the criticism FFXI would get if we did the same.

Olor

10-29-2015, 03:15 AM

I remember my first steps in San d'Oria, in Ronfaure, the music, the magic, the people I met. I cared about the world, cared for the NPCs of Vana'diel, cared for the friends I made, cared about my character, pretty much each and every piece of equipment I got had a story. I'm sorry if I've never been able to feel the same in FFXIV, I never cared about anything in Eorzea,

This. Some people just like different things. For me FFXIV is pretty but has no soul. Everything feels meant to be discarded. Crafting is mostly pointless. Fishing is pretty much useless. The mages have barely any spells and are boring to play. Just not my jam.

When it first released there was a lot that was terrible but some things were actually better before 2.0. For example, pre-2.0 pugilist was the first monk type class I ever enjoyed playing. I loved combining skills from tons of classes to make my character do neat things. Then they nerfed cross classing and deleted most of the skills from the game in 2.0... it was disappoint.

Alhanelem

10-29-2015, 05:53 AM

So you're admitting that all the criticism found here about FFXIV is easily found on Google?
"That's hilarious" http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/images/smilies/smile.pngI'm kind of baffled on this contment. All the criticism, and all the praise, can all of course be found on google, because these forums and others are all indexed by it. What's your point?

Multiple people have played FFXIV here that are criticizing it, have you not read that already?
And there are also those who have played it and have enjoyed it. My issue is with those that haven't played it that hate on it purely because it's a thing. I never asked for everyone to like everything. but I shouldn't, as a fan of both games, be berated for liking XIV and being upset at the biased comparisons that have been put forth in this thread and others.

For me FFXIV is pretty but has no soul.FFXIV isn't a living organism and can't have a soul, nor can FFXI. Before you go *whoosh*, yes, I know what you really meant. I don't really agree with that, I think it's a beautifully crafted world, every NPC has a personality, there's an enjoyable story being told; I feel like the world feels just as "alive" as Vana'diel.

Crafting What you say has historically been true, but that's about to change. Crafted items are going to be made more powerful and most equipment that has historically been non-convertible/non-meldable will now be able to be melded/converted, which will make crafters a more valued part of the world and give players more equipment options at any given level.

Rexen

11-02-2015, 07:12 AM

I played FFXI from just after WotG was released up until just after SoA. The game was so difficult even then and took so much time. Getting a job leveled took time and patience and because of it, you would meet people along the way. You'd keep bumping into the same people as you leveled at the same speed "oh wow, you're 2 levels higher than me now!" and make friends. FFXIV leveling is FATE grinding, where it's mostly bots and people don't ever talk in parties, or waiting hours for a DF invite. This was my FFXIV experience in 2.0, I didn't buy Heavensward after completing the story and not sure I will.

The quests in FFXIV are so pointless and I did them all hoping they would add lore but they didn't. I remember doing my Windurst rank missions, and when Yoran-Oran talks about adventurers giving him items from Mandragora I remember thinking "I did that quest! It actually means something to the story!" and that was how a lot of the quests in FFXI felt to me. It was a huge world and the missions were big stories, but they were a drop in the ocean of all the story in the game.

Then there is the end game stuff in XIV. I don't have as long to play games now. What is the point in logging in every day to cap points for the week to get armour which will be completely replaced in 3 months? At least in FFXI, your hard work mattered and lasted for a long time. When FFXI had the vertical gear progression after the release of SoA I just lost interest and went to FFXIV hoping that it wouldn't be like that. Well...

As for saying that FFXI has rehashed content too, at least it doesn't try pretend that it's something new by reskinning it. Hard Mode Salvage was still pitched as Salvage, the higher tier battlefields are told to us as reliving old memories. FFXIV just reskinned old content and called it new and I think it got old fast. I wanted to like FFXIV so much because it has so much potential for lore and story, but the development team there don't seem to care so much about it.

Alhanelem

11-02-2015, 03:02 PM

The quests in FFXIV are so pointless and I did them all hoping they would add lore but they didn'tObviously you didn't read one line of dialogue or watch any cutscenes because the game is loaded with lore. Hell, the NA localization leads post huge detailed info posts about the lore in the game on the forums too. The dragons in Heavensward have an actual language of their own and it's even voiced in game. You must have missed all that, along with the 5 people who liked your post. Even if you want to hate every pixel of the game or gouge out your eyes after playing it, claiming there's "no lore" is a complete and total falsehood. Now if you want to say you didn't find the lore *interesting*, that's fine understandable. I wouldn't agree, but I would respect such an opinion, as it is just that, an opinion. Different people find different things interesting.

FFXIV just reskinned old content and called it new and I think it got old fast.What's the difference between releasing new salvage runs and releasing hard modes of an existing dungeon etc? I see none. I also don't see how whether or not you make such a claim actually changes the fact that existing content is being recycled in both games, making this an absurd argument. Pretty much every MMO and huge swaths of non MMOs even recycle assets and content.

Jin_Uzuki

11-02-2015, 03:28 PM

FFXIV lore and story are pretty abyssal, it feels incredibly derivative, the story is filled with fetch quests and the translator team couldn't resist shoving sex jokes every 5 NPC or so.

It doesn't help that the lore exist in a bubble and the developers don't care to incorporate it into the game. Have fun riding Odin horse you bought on the cash shop. Very lore. Much immersive.

FFXI quests may be poinless, but a lot of 'em actually offered nice story-arcs. There are some ridicolous fetch quests, but they are certainly less.

Alhanelem

11-02-2015, 03:33 PM

FFXIV lore and story are pretty abyssal, they feel incredibly derivative,No more derivative than XI's lore. What fantasy story concept HASN'T been done before in a game? Personally other than a certain section of the main scenario mentioned below, I found the story to be quite compelling. Long story short, this is a matter of opinion. I disagree with but respect yours.

It doesn't help that the lore exist in a bubble and the developers don't care to incorporate it into the game. The lore is incorpoated into the game. I don't even understand what you're trying to get at here.

couldn't resist shoving sex jokes every 5 NPC or so.I really don't think we're playing the same game. I can't find these overabundant sex jokes.

FFXI quests may be poinless, but a lot of 'em actually offered nice story-arcs.Lots of XIV quests also offer nice story arcs. You must not have played them.

This isn't to say that the story/lore isn't without flaw. There are things I shin should have been handled differently, particularly there' are some situations in the main scenario where the player character acts in a cutscene in such a way that is different from what any sensible person would do, and the story only works because of it. That could have been done better. Yes, there are some fetch quests that don't advance the lore of the area, but there are plenty of such quests in XI as well.

Every class and job in XIV (including the crafting/gathering ones) has a story arc, and those arcs also continued in the expansion. in FFXI, after you did the AF quests, that was it. They never expanded on them, not directly at least.

Jin_Uzuki

11-02-2015, 06:57 PM

No more derivative than XI's lore.

FFXI doesn't have Lighting running around the game, people dressed in Cloud outfit and the entire CT arc that it's heavy lifted from FFIII. FFXIV is a game without a strong sense of identity, as opposed to FFXI (lol even the races are derivative)

XIV is boring and relies on nostalglia.

FFXIV 1.0. had a stronger sense of identity, though.

I found the story to be quite compelling.
If you think stuff like Titan's party arc or Garuda's crystal arc are compelling, I don't know what to tell you.

Even Gaius stuff was embarrassingly boring.

The lore is incorpoated into the game. I don't even understand what you're trying to get at here.

FFXI lore is incorporated (well, these days mostly WAS) into the game. Everything in the game world had to fit the established rule-set. In FFXIV we kill Ifrit with Fire while our cat girl in bikini rides Odin horse we bought on the cash-shop.

Every class and job in XIV (including the crafting/gathering ones) has a story arc, and those arcs also continued in the expansion. in FFXI, after you did the AF quests, that was it. They never expanded on them, not directly at least.

Too bad the writing is garbage. I think the only Job storyline I enjoyed among the 3 jobs I had at 50 was the SCH, and that was heavily lifted from FFXI Tonberry storyline.

Sorry, but we are not on XIV forum. You won't convince people XIV isn't bad because here people have more expectations than running their cat girls in bikini and logging 2 hours at day to run 2 instances and cap tomes for gears they'll replace in 3 months.

Raydeus

11-03-2015, 07:37 AM

And the Grand Spamalox XIV just keeps going. Amazing. The legend continues.

Daniel_Hatcher

11-03-2015, 10:50 AM

I really don't think we're playing the same game. I can't find these overabundant sex jokes.

A male Miqo'te retainer, and I assume the female equivalent is the only thing I can think of that uses sexual innuendo, I guess he watched one youtube clip and made his judgement based on that.

Problem is, people are too used to characters lacking personality because of this game.

Jin_Uzuki

11-03-2015, 10:52 PM

A male Miqo'te retainer, and I assume the female equivalent is the only thing I can think of that uses sexual innuendo, I guess he watched one youtube clip and made his judgement based on that.

Problem is, people are too used to characters lacking personality because of this game.

Yes, everyone who dislike FFXIV didn't play it. There is a secret conspiracy to degrade XIV from XI players, the secret game only few elects played. You caught us.

Based Yoshi-P!

Daniel_Hatcher

11-03-2015, 11:18 PM

Yes, everyone who dislike FFXIV didn't play it. There is a secret conspiracy to degrade XIV from XI players, the secret game only few elects played. You caught us.

Based Yoshi-P!

Nope, just people upset their favourite games popularity is falling and blaming it on another game rather than accept it's because it's become stagnant.

Jin_Uzuki

11-04-2015, 12:04 AM

Nope, just people upset their favourite games popularity is falling and blaming it on another game rather than accept it's because it's become stagnant.

My disliking of FFXIV has nothing to do with FFXI.

In fact, I wasn't even planning of going back to XI ever, I only returned with a fresh character because I saw the "Grand Finale" campaign months ago. I had already quit FFXIV by then, I was tired of Yoshi-P "lol, play the same game over and over and reset gears ever 3-6 months".

Daniel_Hatcher

11-04-2015, 01:06 AM

My disliking of FFXIV has nothing to do with FFXI.

In fact, I wasn't even planning of going back to XI ever, I only returned with a fresh character because I saw the "Grand Finale" campaign months ago. I had already quit FFXIV by then, I was tired of Yoshi-P "lol, play the same game over and over and reset gears ever 3-6 months".

The same has happened to FFXI though, everything new is recycled old-content. Admittedly, I'm not too fond of it happening in FFXIV so soon.

Chronofantasy

11-04-2015, 01:25 PM

My one disappointment, is that with FFXIV update coming on Nov 10th, then FFXI update coming around the same time, it'll be tough juggling both at the same time, since I really do want to get through the storylines of both games on the first day the update arrives.

By the way, it's quite clear that FFXIV update is Nov 10th, but I'm pretty confused on FFXI November update, and there hasn't really been any clear source that I have seen on when FFXI Nov update is coming. I know the live letter said the cross over event is on the 11th, and there's a list of campaigns on the 9th. I keep hearing from people that the update is on the 10th or the 11th, but when I ask them where they heard this, they either don't reply or said they heard it from someone else.

Does anyone know the exact day? Do we have to wait a little more for it to be posted on the POL site?

Chronofantasy

11-04-2015, 10:34 PM

Looks like my question was answered. Although I'm rather annoyed that SE made FFXIV and FFXI update finish update time 2 hours apart from one another. Now this means I'll have to wait on doing FFXI story and update until I'm done with the story and a few things with trying FFXIV update. SE is usually good at keeping these updates on separate months, but this month they failed. (I know it partly has to do with FFXIV team taking a break after Heavensward, and I guess they did it for part of the FFXI collab event? But they gotta understand that a lot of people play both.

Oh well, here it is:

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news24339.shtml

Updates

Nov. 4, 2015 02:10 [PST] From: FINAL FANTASY XI

All Worlds Maintenance (Nov. 9)

At the following time, we will be performing server maintenance to accompany a version update. During this period, FINAL FANTASY XI will be unavailable.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience.

* This maintenance will be accompanied by a version update. After maintenance is complete, the update will automatically begin after you press the "Play" button. After that, please follow the instructions on the screen.

* The World Transfer Service will be unavailable starting 30 minutes before the maintenance. Please wait until after the maintenance is completed before attempting to use this service.

* You may receive errors such as "POL-1160" or "POL-0010" during the download process due to heavy server traffic. If you are unable to access the update, we ask that you please wait a while and then try again.

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding in making this a smooth version update.

* Version update details will be announced separately around Nov. 9, 2015 (PST).

[Date & Time]
Nov. 9, 2015 21:00 to 23:00 (PST)
* Completion time is subject to change.

[Affected Service]
- FINAL FANTASY XI

Mnejing

11-05-2015, 03:14 AM

Looks like Iroha's visiting FFXIV..
http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/

Zumi

11-05-2015, 10:36 AM

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/001241.html

There it is in English looks like you get the Iroha armor for doing her quest in FFXIV. I would of prefer to have gotten a minion because my retainers are so full where am I going to put all this event armor.

Zumi

11-05-2015, 10:43 AM

Masamune11

11-07-2015, 06:06 AM

This is just silly. Let's get to the honest truth here.

Every 3 months (historically) FFXIV releases three dungeons (each dungeon includes 3 bosses), potentially a raid (that includes 4 bosses), a primal fight or two, a side storyline with a boss, golden saucer minigames / tetramaster, countless side quests, pvp additions and much much more (an entire continent to explore is coming with the next patch). You're pretty much getting at least 15 boss battles each patch that are uniquely designed and incredibly polished (hard to argue the FFXIV boss fights aren’t fun). Every 3 months you get this. On top of that...when you buy the expansion...you "actually" get the entire expansion. You get a 50-60 hour main storyline, 8 dungeons, new jobs, countless job specific instances, main story instances, hundreds of side quests, hundreds of glamours, housing materials, new abilities for all jobs, crafting cap raises, hundreds of materials etc.

FFXI has been a game without a leader for years. There are several groups making content - but these groups don't know how to come together logically. The result is a world of clutter where countless activities are worthless from day one and outdated content surrounds you everywhere you go. You have teleporting runes next to home points that are next to teleporting books that are next to a moogle that requires an insane amount of fame to partake in his quest to earn 300 gil that can buy that weapon over there that is more powerful than the weapon unlocked by that ??? on the ground near you that requires you to spend 10 hours gathering items to pop an NM. It’s silly.

When an expansion is released - you get almost nothing from day one. SoA? You got some new zones, jobs, coalitions and an hour long storyline without any battles (had to wait for patches to get the rest of the expansion). FFXI supporters think they are getting all of this great content...but they are just getting the content they should have gotten day one from the expansion. WOTG did the same thing. You got Campaigns, past areas and some quests (for each nation) without any battlefields. The high tier battlefields FFXI has been releasing the past couple years? The developers go into their developing tools and bump the stats to be the equivalent to an item level 119 mob and they are done (no need to change any mechanics).

“Hmmm – I’ll Reskin these mobs here, add a new currency here, estimate it will take 100 hours to get item X needed to buy item B…gentleman – I think we’ve got ourselves a new mode for that patch due up next month.” - “But sir – these weapons you propose implementing to this new mode…aren’t they weaker than weapons that can easily drop from Wildskeeper Reives?” - “Exactly! That’s what makes this mode so great!”

If you don’t like FFXIV – that’s completely fine. Your opinion. But quit acting like FFXI has been awesome the past several years. Since SoA came out – you’ve almost gotten as much content that came with the base Heavensward game. Sure you’ve got thousands of hours worth of grind…but any game could add a currency and then require you to farm for a hundred plus hours to get that item you want. FFXI has been doing its best to keep the hardcore hooked by throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the game. Job points, Rhapsody buffs, trusts, unity accord – these are all methods to get you to replay old content again and keep you busy. Balance has been completely thrown out the window. I won’t lie. It’s fun and I’m enjoying my return to the game – but it’s an absolute mess…and that’s ok.

Zumi

11-12-2015, 04:09 PM

This was so funny. Basically right before this you go to a beach to fight crabs resembling varkurm dunes.

http://i.imgur.com/13wBFtH.jpg

Kjara

11-12-2015, 05:45 PM

I play both XI and XIV, and have done this event. Quite frankly, the event's story was good enough compared to the majority of XIV temporary events. It was a tribute to FFXI and how long it has been around, which really touched me.

However I was honestly disappointed by the reward being Iroha's set. While it is true that Iroha has been an important character, for a long-lasting FFXI player, she is just an NPC that has been around for only a few months, and does not symbolize a 14 years old game.

There is so many other rewards they could've gone with:

- Lion gear/hair for girls, Aldo gear/hair for boys (they are both older and more meaningful NPCs than Iroha is for a player who has seen FFXI since its release)
- The Starting RSE of FFXI (though Au Ra would need something of their own, I suppose, or you know, just make them equippable by all races)
- Replicas of the FFXI relic weapons

And these are just the ones I could think of. Sadly I cannot put in these suggestions on the FFXIV forums (I was permanently banned for calling somene a "prick", heh), thus I'll put this here. I sincerely hope this won't be the last of FFXI that we see on XIV, and if more is to come, I think all the items in this list would be much appreciated from all the XIV players who have been/still are sharing their game time with Final Fantasy XI as well.

scaevola

11-13-2015, 12:39 AM

The same has happened to FFXI though, everything new is recycled old-content. Admittedly, I'm not too fond of it happening in FFXIV so soon.

FFXI varies its victory conditions, its reward structure, its necessary strategies, etc. with nearly every event. They run out of ideas and rehash occasionally, it's true, but it's not even close to XIV, which seems to make a determined effort to repeat itself.

Castanica

11-13-2015, 12:52 AM

I have to be honest, when I saw this I did laugh.

A celebration on FFXIV at the ending of content on FFXI, party hat time!

Stompa

11-13-2015, 02:41 AM

I have to be honest, when I saw this I did laugh.

A celebration on FFXIV at the ending of content on FFXI, party hat time!

It is more about honouring ancestors. It is custom in many parts of the world, to celebrate those who have gone before us, and in the case of games, to honour the earlier games in a series. In the case of this event, it is not celebrating the end of anything, it is recognising the achievements and life of something.

Also, some FF14 players have never played FFXI at all. Any event that ties the two games is a good thing, if it leads gamers to try FFXI for the first time. I meet new players in FFXI from time to time, some of them arrived in FFXI after playing FF14, and they are amazed how much they enjoy FFXI, and surprised that it had somehow eluded their attention for all these years.

Kjara

11-13-2015, 03:54 AM

It is more about honouring ancestors. It is custom in many parts of the world, to celebrate those who have gone before us, and in the case of games, to honour the earlier games in a series. In the case of this event, it is not celebrating the end of anything, it is recognising the achievements and life of something.

Also, some FF14 players have never played FFXI at all. Any event that ties the two games is a good thing, if it leads gamers to try FFXI for the first time. I meet new players in FFXI from time to time, some of them arrived in FFXI after playing FF14, and they are amazed how much they enjoy FFXI, and surprised that it had somehow eluded their attention for all these years.

Yup, true. In my linkshell, when this event was announced, we had two FFXI ex-players come back to the game, and one who had never actually played it buy it to give it a go. Collaboration events are a wonderful thing and I'd love to see more.

Alhanelem

11-13-2015, 04:53 AM

It was a pretty fun event, and Iroha's outfit looks good.

A celebration on FFXIV at the ending of content on FFXI, party hat time!The intent was honoring what came before, not to go "YAY! CONTENT IS OVER!" (which, by the way, they've said it's not).

The cutscenes were enjoyable, with lots of pictures of classic moments throught FFXI's history. Having played XI for most of its existence, I thought it was awesome and it brought back memories.

I'm not going to speak much more of the release pattern complaints other than I disagree with them, however they just released a cool new area called the Diadem, which is strikingly similar to Neo Dynamis (perhaps before we got so OP)- openworld endgame that's actually able to deliver a bit of a challenge, and it even drops gear on the same order as the previous raids (suprisingly, no item level increase in this patch, either.) So this latest update broke with a number of patterns.

Castanica

11-13-2015, 10:00 AM

It is more about honouring ancestors. It is custom in many parts of the world, to celebrate those who have gone before us, and in the case of games, to honour the earlier games in a series. In the case of this event, it is not celebrating the end of anything, it is recognising the achievements and life of something.

Also, some FF14 players have never played FFXI at all. Any event that ties the two games is a good thing, if it leads gamers to try FFXI for the first time. I meet new players in FFXI from time to time, some of them arrived in FFXI after playing FF14, and they are amazed how much they enjoy FFXI, and surprised that it had somehow eluded their attention for all these years.

Feel free to take it how you wish to take it.

I'm entitled to my opinion.

I don't see it something worth celebrating. Especially since they gave more content for XIV on this event than XI will get from here on out.

It's like your boss saying "Surprise, you're fired! now lets have a party and celebrate your years of service to the company at a party for the new guy that will replace you!"

detlef

11-13-2015, 10:17 AM

Haha you must be a huge hit at those firing parties.

Alhanelem

11-13-2015, 10:33 AM

Feel free to take it how you wish to take it.

I'm entitled to my opinion.

I don't see it something worth celebrating. Especially since they gave more content for XIV on this event than XI will get from here on out.

It's like your boss saying "Surprise, you're fired! now lets have a party and celebrate the guy that will replace you!"
So do you consider it your civic duty to poop on every party you come across or something? Do you hate Veteran's Day because you see it as celebrating our wars?

FFXI is still going to keep running and its even still going to get some content updates past this coming spring. So this has nothing to do with firing people and everything to do with honoring a legacy. Which I might add, if you went through the event, you'd see they did a really good job of it. Even going so far as to putting FFXI battle music into the game for the event FATEs, and the great references to the good ol' days. It's probable that this event was even good for FFXI as others have said, leading to some people who never played/heard of it wondering what the heck this FFXI thang is (Well, it's not the first time they've done anything like this, but it has been a while, to the point where a lot of current XIV players might not have seen the past event or played XI).

Jin_Uzuki

11-13-2015, 10:54 AM

FFXI has been a game without a leader for years. There are several groups making content - but these groups don't know how to come together logically. The result is a world of clutter where countless activities are worthless from day one and outdated content surrounds you everywhere you go.

Are you sure you are not talking about XIV?

Alhanelem

11-13-2015, 12:10 PM

Are you sure you are not talking about XIV?
Nope, particularly considering this latest update has given us a lot more choice and hasn't raised the ilvl cap yet, which is kind of surprising. I mean, I know they will eventually but at least they've slowed down the progression path.

And like I said before, they've gone off and made some different content for a change, so this latest update has been rather refreshing. Of course, they had to torture me, as a player of both games, by also updating FFXI on the same day... :p

Zumi

11-13-2015, 04:38 PM

Just finished the whole event it was pretty good them flashbacks.

Hinting at that you are the same person from FFXI was a nice touch.

Catmato

11-13-2015, 06:13 PM

Where's the XIV event in XI?

peculiar

11-13-2015, 11:01 PM

Where's the XIV event in XI?

Ffxi gets no updates, there won't be one.

Catmato

11-14-2015, 01:12 AM

Ffxi gets no updates

Where did you get an idea like that?

Zumi

11-14-2015, 02:41 AM

Alhanelem

11-14-2015, 04:15 AM

Also as a side note the FFXIV event takes place after the events of FFXI which kind of spoils FFXI if you haven't finished it which is what happened to me. Its more of a find out what happened to Iroha type of deal.
I don't really think it spoils much of anything other than Iroha's existence and purpose, which is one of the first things established int the RoV storyline (and what they're promoting in the first place).

Unless you consider revealing that we used to spend countless hours killing crabs in the dunes a spoiler.

Fahzewn

11-14-2015, 06:25 AM

Unless you consider revealing that we used to spend countless hours killing crabs in the dunes a spoiler.

Probably more like a PTSD flashback.

peculiar

11-14-2015, 06:40 AM

Alhanelem

11-14-2015, 08:04 AM

No self respecting ffxi player would play ffxiv anyway.

http://i.imgur.com/KLT0Ihq.jpg
I know several of self respecting XI players, that still play XI, that would and do play XIV. To sugggest that one is less of a person or something because they like something you personally don't like is insulting to say the least.

Stompa

11-14-2015, 08:27 AM

I know several of self respecting XI players, that still play XI, that would and do play XIV. To sugggest that one is less of a person or something because they like something you personally don't like is insulting to say the least.

That person probably forgot what they wrote in their server hop thread, in their OP;

So, as someone that plays this and ffxiv I would just like to point out to people continually asking when then will do merges why it will never, ever happen.

I read this and then the "self-respecting FFXI players" thing, and my little tarutaru brain started to overheat. Does not compute!

peculiar

11-14-2015, 09:19 AM

http://i.imgur.com/KLT0Ihq.jpg
I know several of self respecting XI players, that still play XI, that would and do play XIV. To sugggest that one is less of a person or something because they like something you personally don't like is insulting to say the least.

ffxiv is a 95% clone of wow, why would a long time ffxi player want to play a shallow and poor copy of wow?

The most important features from this game are all missing in xiv, the only plus it has are graphics related. The only claim to fame it has are the graphics, xi players who have stuck with this game this long are simply going to hate what xiv is.

If they wanted to play wow they would of played it a long time ago. Every xi player I know who went to xiv hates it and endlessly complains about how bad it is, they only stick around because this game is near dead now and there is nothing else at all that they want to play.

The only time I play and resub back to xiv is right after a new patch, never any other time. It's just a shallow mess and it always will be, the constant gear treadmill sees to that.

You don't seem to get it so let me help you out, almost all of us have tried xiv and we don't like it.

Alhanelem

11-14-2015, 09:35 AM

You don't seem to get itOh, I do get it, you're a troll. which is why I'm not going to dignify you with any more of a response than this. You don't represent the community at large and it's time you stopped pretending you did.

Raydeus

11-14-2015, 12:12 PM

Change that caption to "Stop disliking what I like. /frownyface" and that's the Grand Spamalox XIV.

Either way, I'm surprised the mods have left this thread open for so long.

And so, the legend continues...

Naraku_Diabolos

11-14-2015, 01:05 PM

ffxiv is a 95% clone of wow, why would a long time ffxi player want to play a shallow and poor copy of wow?

The most important features from this game are all missing in xiv, the only plus it has are graphics related. The only claim to fame it has are the graphics, xi players who have stuck with this game this long are simply going to hate what xiv is.

If they wanted to play wow they would of played it a long time ago. Every xi player I know who went to xiv hates it and endlessly complains about how bad it is, they only stick around because this game is near dead now and there is nothing else at all that they want to play.

The only time I play and resub back to xiv is right after a new patch, never any other time. It's just a shallow mess and it always will be, the constant gear treadmill sees to that.

You don't seem to get it so let me help you out, almost all of us have tried xiv and we don't like it.

Pfft, I played FFXI for 7 years, and I can tell you that the story and gameplay doesn't grab my attention like FFXIV does. I haven't unsubbed from FFXIV since September 2010. I've unsubbed more times on FFXI because I can't find the drive to play it. I've done more grinding on FFXI than FFXIV, and my jobs are higher and I've accomplished more on FFXIV, too. FFXI has a good story and so does FFXIV, but my character feels like more of a part of the story than I did on FFXI.

Alhanelem

11-15-2015, 04:27 AM

Naraku_Diabolos

11-15-2015, 05:56 AM

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/667-General-Discussion

If you had any doubts as to if this sparked any interest to play FFXI or didn't have any kind of nostalgia effect on people, then you should check this thread.

You mean this one?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/270219-Maiden-s-Rhapsody-otherwise-known-as-Yoshi-P-why-you-do-dis-%21-%21 The people who commented on that thread are all talking about growing up playing FFXI. They have praise for this game, but have moved onto better things such as FFXIV. Like me.

peculiar

11-15-2015, 07:43 AM

Are the mods on holiday? normally you only have to say xiv is less than amazing to get a ban.

Maybe the report button is broke? Mystery.

Naraku_Diabolos

11-15-2015, 08:04 AM

Are the mods on holiday? normally you only have to say xiv is less than amazing to get a ban.

Maybe the report button is broke? Mystery.

This thread is relevant to FFXI as well as FFXIV because it was a collaboration event. FFXIV celebrated the end of FFXI's storyline as the special character Iroha came to FFXIV. Quit being rude. Even though my highest character level for FFXI isn't even Lv40, I've played this game a lot longer than you as I played it on US release. I'm a veteran to this game, but this game is way too time consuming to even finish for me, which is why I moved on but came back just for a month to see the ending storyline.

And you talked about FFXIV when bashing it. You've probably never even played it. It's not even close to a WoW clone, and I don't see any connections. Besides, I wouldn't even touch WoW and I have never played it. It's a childish game with a poor storyline compared to what even FFXI and FFXIV have combined. I played FFXI while my friends played WoW years ago. FFXI and FFXIV are the only MMOs I've ever played. I go for quality, and WoW doesn't have any of it. FFXI and FFXIV do.

peculiar

11-15-2015, 08:08 AM

This thread is relevant to FFXI as well as FFXIV because it was a collaboration event. FFXIV celebrated the end of FFXI's storyline as the special character Iroha came to FFXIV. Quit being rude. Even though my highest character level for FFXI isn't even Lv40, I've played this game a lot longer than you as I played it on US release. I'm a veteran to this game, but this game is way too time consuming to even finish for me, which is why I moved on but came back just for a month to see the ending storyline.

And you talked about FFXIV when bashing it. You've probably never even played it. It's not even close to a WoW clone, and I don't see any connections. Besides, I wouldn't even touch WoW and I have never played it. It's a childish game with a poor storyline compared to what even FFXI and FFXIV have combined. I played FFXI while my friends played WoW years ago. FFXI and FFXIV are the only MMOs I've ever played. I go for quality, and WoW doesn't have any of it. FFXI and FFXIV do.

What was your veteran characters name, wanna see how much of a vet you are. Since you brought it up and all.

The way you talk I honestly don't think you played either game to cap.

Either way thanks for the chuckles while reading your post.

Let me help you out with something though:

We looked to World of Warcraft. What they have there is pretty much what most players are used to. We’re using that as a base.
- Naoki Yoshida

Maybe you should go and play wow, if you like xiv so much wow will blow your socks off. Unless you only care about graphics ofc, which is a possibility. As I said, that's the only thing xiv does well anyway.

Catmato

11-15-2015, 09:15 AM

Are the mods on holiday? normally you only have to say xiv is less than amazing to get a ban.

Maybe the report button is broke? Mystery.
Don't worry, we're waiting for it too.

Naraku_Diabolos

11-15-2015, 11:04 AM

What was your veteran characters name, wanna see how much of a vet you are. Since you brought it up and all.

The way you talk I honestly don't think you played either game to cap.

Either way thanks for the chuckles while reading your post.

Let me help you out with something though:

We looked to World of Warcraft. What they have there is pretty much what most players are used to. We’re using that as a base.
- Naoki Yoshida

Maybe you should go and play wow, if you like xiv so much wow will blow your socks off. Unless you only care about graphics ofc, which is a possibility. As I said, that's the only thing xiv does well anyway.

I was Naraku on the Diabolos server.

I played ARR to cap before Heavensward; my highest level job so far is PLD52, the rest are 50 while AST, DRK, and MCH are Lv35. I'm crafting right now. Why rush to endgame in FFXIV when everything becomes obsolete every 3 months? Besides, if I rushed to the end, I'd have to wait 3 months for the new patch to come out. I'd get bored. I'm taking my time playing the game the way I want to. That's how games are designed. You're not the boss of me, I play the way I want to. I have a full time job, children, a wife, and a church group I'm a part of. I don't have time to be grinding non-stop each day.

Yoshida LOOKED to WoW for how he wanted his vision of FFXIV. He was inspired by the way the mold was for the game; inspiration and copying are two different things. It's not a complete carbon copy; I only see the HUD layout and cool downs for being the similar things. Maybe even doing quests, but I think that's it. FFXIV has a better story than WoW anyways, from what I've read of WoW. If I wanted to play a cartoon game, I'd play WoW. It's not even realistic looking and the gameplay makes the characters look like they are spanking invisible butt. Plus the art style is HORRIBLE for WoW. If FFXIV were to copy WoW, we'd have only one class per character. But since FFXIV is a lot like FFXI, we can freely switch between jobs and classes only on one character.

Plus FFXIV is a brand new game that brings out the best elements in the Final Fantasy series and also has a ton of nostalgia from past games. FFXI is about 13 years old; it's dated with content, but rich in story and lore. Customizing your character is the strongest point for FFXI. FFXI is just so slow to go through with gameplay and battling. WoW has only like only like what, 3 games before it to draw history from? FFXIV has 13 games prior PLUS spin-offs to draw lore from.

And no, thank you for the chuckles of trying to start something when clearly you are the aggressor while I am the defending myself. And to rub salt in your wounds, I only have to pay $9.99 a month and I can make up to 40 characters for free because of being a Legacy member. I'd have to pay $12.99 plus $1 for my second character on FFXI. See how much money I'm saving just by playing the other game?

Oh, and which game has more players on it right now? FFXI or FFXIV?

peculiar

11-15-2015, 12:19 PM

Oh, and which game has more players on it right now? FFXI or FFXIV?

Wow at its lowest point has 10 times as many subscribers as both games combined, what point are you trying to make? If your point is a game with more players is better than as I said before, you need to get on over and try WoW because you're missing out on a game type you obvious like.

Unless you want to bypass subscriber numbers and use the registered player number fallacy that is common among xiv players of course, in which case wow has 100 million registered players.

ffxi at peak at just as many players as xiv did, it just cost a lot less to make.

I was Naraku on the Diabolos server.

I played ARR to cap before Heavensward; my highest level job so far is PLD52, the rest are 50 while AST, DRK, and MCH are Lv35. I'm crafting right now. Why rush to endgame in FFXIV when everything becomes obsolete every 3 months? Besides, if I rushed to the end, I'd have to wait 3 months for the new patch to come out. I'd get bored. I'm taking my time playing the game the way I want to. That's how games are designed. You're not the boss of me, I play the way I want to. I have a full time job, children, a wife, and a church group I'm a part of. I don't have time to be grinding non-stop each day.

Yoshida LOOKED to WoW for how he wanted his vision of FFXIV. He was inspired by the way the mold was for the game; inspiration and copying are two different things. It's not a complete carbon copy; I only see the HUD layout and cool downs for being the similar things. Maybe even doing quests, but I think that's it. FFXIV has a better story than WoW anyways, from what I've read of WoW. If I wanted to play a cartoon game, I'd play WoW. It's not even realistic looking and the gameplay makes the characters look like they are spanking invisible butt. Plus the art style is HORRIBLE for WoW. If FFXIV were to copy WoW, we'd have only one class per character. But since FFXIV is a lot like FFXI, we can freely switch between jobs and classes only on one character.

Plus FFXIV is a brand new game that brings out the best elements in the Final Fantasy series and also has a ton of nostalgia from past games. FFXI is about 13 years old; it's dated with content, but rich in story and lore. Customizing your character is the strongest point for FFXI. FFXI is just so slow to go through with gameplay and battling. WoW has only like only like what, 3 games before it to draw history from? FFXIV has 13 games prior PLUS spin-offs to draw lore from.

And no, thank you for the chuckles of trying to start something when clearly you are the aggressor while I am the defending myself. And to rub salt in your wounds, I only have to pay $9.99 a month and I can make up to 40 characters for free because of being a Legacy member. I'd have to pay $12.99 plus $1 for my second character on FFXI. See how much money I'm saving just by playing the other game?

As you mentioned, you didn't play wow because you didn't like the art style. As such you have little understanding of what wow is and as such you can't really comment on it being a wow clone, you only know what xiv is and think it's unique. Anyone that has played both can see it's a carbon copy and tries hard to copy everything it does, as it will forever. The problem is that it copies it poorly, anyone that has mmo experience knows this and it's an accepted fact.

xiv is a nice pretty game, that's all it is. I know this hurts you to hear and makes you mad but it is what it is. If Square updated the graphics on xi and had not just discontinued updates most old xi players would be back on this game in a shot, xiv is boring and gear is in a constant stream of being added and made obsoloete patch after patch. I've had this discussion before but I'll mention it again, if xiv is so engrossing and great...why are you even here at all taking a break from it?

Oh and if you think paying a cheaper sub for a game I see very little value in is something to show off about then grats I guess. I pay less per year than you because I only sub for 1 month per following a major patch so yay me. Anyway should you not want them to have more money if you love it so much, not less? Someone is penny pinching!

Angemon

11-15-2015, 12:37 PM

xiv is a nice pretty game, that's all it is. I know this hurts you to hear and makes you mad but it is what it is. If Square updated the graphics on xi and had not just discontinued updates most old xi players would be back on this game in a shot, xiv is boring and gear is in a constant stream of being added and made obsoloete patch after patch. I've had this discussion before but I'll mention it again, if xiv is so engrossing and great...why are you even here at all taking a break from it?

I agree with you there.

Alhanelem

11-15-2015, 02:50 PM

You mean this one?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/270219-Maiden-s-Rhapsody-otherwise-known-as-Yoshi-P-why-you-do-dis-%21-%21 The people who commented on that thread are all talking about growing up playing FFXI. They have praise for this game, but have moved onto better things such as FFXIV. Like me.
strange. I thought I linked the thread, not the forum index. lol

xiv is a nice pretty game, that's all it is. I know this hurts you to hear and makes you mad but it is what it is. If Square updated the graphics on xi and had not just discontinued updates most old xi players would be back on this game in a shot, xiv is boring and gear is in a constant stream of being added and made obsoloete patch after patch. I've had this discussion before but I'll mention it again, if xiv is so engrossing and great...why are you even here at all taking a break from it?I know it wasn't directed at me, but I have active subscriptions to both right now. I finished the latest addition to the main story in XIV, and right now I'm doing the same in XI. Playing both, often on the same day.

Alhanelem

11-16-2015, 09:34 AM

I agree too. The "if xiv is so engrossing and great...why are you even here at all taking a break from it?" part is how I feel about the two games.

I'm personally not taking a break. I love FFXIV, but I also love FFXI too much to simply just quit or replace it. Other people simply play a lot of games and don't want to be tied down to just one forever. These people are taking a break from their game for simple variety, not because they're unhappy with the game they're playing.

All that said, it saddens me when this simple "game preference" becomes a sort of Civil War, with FFXI and FFXIV players taking sides and launching atacks on eachother. This brings me great sorrow. Also, it is silly. They are both computergames. It is like declaring war on somebody because they prefer a different Pizza Topping to you. You both love Pizza, but they like extra tomatoes, and you don't. Thats FFXI and FFXIV. We should all just enjoy our favourite Pizzas lol! This is definitely a statement I can get behind. I'm tired of the hostility.

Elexia

11-16-2015, 10:37 AM

Oh, and which game has more players on it right now? FFXI or FFXIV?

Between FFXI and XIV? XIV.

Which game has more players? GW2, WoW, Lineage II, Blade & Soul, FFXIV or TERA? What about the games that actually brought something to the genre? Actually did more than try to do as little as possible because the game's servers would crash quite easily if they do specific things like increase our inventory slots?

By the by, SE announced DQX+FFXI+FFXIV = about 1 million active subs combined. I guarantee most Korean/Chinese MMOs has way more than that, combining would blow XIV out of the water, and they actually introduce more systems and try to do something other than the same cycle they did the same 2 years to boot.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/2/7480177/square-enix-final-fantasy-14-final-fantasy-11-dragon-quest-10-subscribers

Meaning, unless there was a dramatic increase in subscibers to either game (definitely not XIV, even with HW because there was also a 5 month lull in content addition after, which tons of people left) it doesn't matter how many play XIV or XI, when there's MMOs out there that has 1+m in itself.

If your point was "which is better", neither XIV nor XI.

"Subscriber numbers don't count/mean that much!"

In XIV's case, certainly not. I like the game as it is, but it's an MMO that makes money doing nothing, there's no reason for them to ever evolve it.

Quite frankly...if XIV actually added content and..did something new, it'd be a great MMO - But it's an mmo built around people who don't play the game and people who may potentially play the game a year from now, rather than people who currently play the game.

Kjara

11-16-2015, 08:34 PM

I honestly don't get the hate between the two communities, either. I enjoy them as two different games. Moreover, I consider XIV as FFXI's baby, and that's the kind of affection I have for it. Think of XI as a wise and old mentor and XIV as the promising, but still inexperienced pupil. I am proud of both.

I often have to remind to the others who on FFXIV talk poorly of XI, that it is probably thanks to FFXI if XIV even exists still. If FFXIV had been SE's first MMORPG, with how bad it did, they would've probably given up and said "we can't do this, let's stick to single player FFs."...

But instead, they had FFXI to look back to. The proof that Final Fantasy can be an excellent MMORPG series. It is probably the success off FFXI that encouraged the company to give FFXIV a second chance as A Realm Reborn. And look how far it went.

It will never be LIKE FFXI, and that, I have accepted. It was made to appeal a new, more casual generation of players, and for such it needed differences, but the inheritance of FFXI is clearly in it, and it's what I like of XIV. It's like a big What If of FFXI to me: "What if male Mithras were playable?" "What if we could sit on chairs?" "What if we could ride other things than chocobos?" "What if Tarutaru were shaped like pears?"

I am glad it's not just like FFXI, because it still gives me a reason to play the MMO I started with back in the far 2006, and I couldn't be happier to~

Elexia

11-17-2015, 01:29 AM

peculiar

11-17-2015, 01:42 AM

It amazes me that some people can't see why many fans of one game hate on the other, totally amazes me.

This isn't the fans fault either, it's how the company set them against each other from the start. The playerbase for a ff themed mmo in this day and age was already small, so they decided to split them down the middle and turn them on each other.

I have friends who have quit ffxi after many many years and refuse to play xiv out of pure principal at how it destroyed the game they loved so long, even though they want to play xiv they won't do it. They are currently playing eso.

I could explain the reasons but I really shouldn't have to, it should be obvious. All I'll point out, is to use the analogy of a parent with 2 children, the newer of which gets all the attention and the older gets none and his scholarship taken away too, so little johnny can get more pies.

Oh and before someone gets high and mighty, this hate works both ways. Many xiv players don't think xi should even exist at all and should of been shut down to force us all on their game.

Vold

11-17-2015, 02:28 AM

That's the main problem with XIV - It has and brought nothing new to the genre. XI at its time was a different MMO, it was unique. It was built around EQ as the baseline, but it took it a step further. FFXIV 1.0 was trying to do the same but due to Wada, they wanted to beat out Cataclysm and it failed pretty much because it was highly unfinished and used an Engine not suited for MMOs. Then came ARR, which was the perfect chance to take FFXIV 1.23 and make it a true successor to XI - Instead, it was designed to meet a standard, that it barely met.

The fact the small team have done so much more with XI than even the XIV's latest heavensward expansion says a lot. You'd be right about the "promising pupil" if it was still a new release - but XIV is 2 years old now if we're ignoring 1.0 - 1.23 version. 2 years and it hardly evolved. in 2 years XIs made quite a lot of leaps from 2001 and was pushing towards Chains of Promathia, which many find one of the best MMO expansions for various reasons even if people hated the cap system..which pretty much every MMO utilizes in some way. If we're to think about expansion releases, in 5 months+ even Seekers did more, whereas in XIV, Heavensward did nothing in 5 months, because they were waiting on the usual patch update, which largely did nothing else but basically obsolete content on release. Like literally - No reason to do the new dungeons unless you want glamour, because Diadem drops gear superior to anything currently out raid wise and Thordan's Reign drops weapons superior to Savage Alexander largely.

Then comes DQX - SE's other main series MMO, which also did quite a lot of interesting things. Same with Front Mission Online back in the day. Then you look at XIV ARR/HW, and you wonder: "What's different this time?" Then you read their official forum or other communities, and you find that, the fact people are content now and accept pretty much anything Yoshi throws at them, the game will never evolve, and Heavensward proves it. It was an expansion..yet the exact same as 2.0 era. So they make money now, why change a thing? The reason there's "hate" for XIV is because people love to hate on XI in that community even though they never played it (and it's obvious whenever they bring up examples.)

I agree on everything here.

One of the reasons I left XIV is because of the sadness I felt when I would look at those forums, and I would see XIV's playerbase was more concerned with something like "Eorzea's Next Top Model!" and it having thousands of posts, than they were for actually playing the game. One example of many of a game that has targeted the western mainstream audience hardcore, and abandoning it's Japanese roots and RPG gamers. Seems SE has been doing that alot lately. I could go on for several minutes with examples why I quit that game. It's alot of little things really, that add up.

I liked the graphics. I liked the mounts. I liked how they did crafting classes, short of ruining the reason for their existence in the first place. They could take the damn crafting out and the game would suffer no ill effects. I really enjoyed the MSQ. I will miss the hell out of that and not being able to experience their story until the end. But that's about it. When I saw that the expansion was just going to be more of the same....I bailed out. It held my interest long enough to finish the MSQ and "beat" the expansion, but when I saw from there I would be doing nothing but more of the same for end game, it was my breaking point.

When it comes to XIV, I give credit where it's due. Tanaka did a wonderful job on the base package. Slow as usual but that's always a SE trait. It's a shame he got to be the scapegoat for SE's decision to push the game out before it was ready. I can't say I miss the original vision he had for crafters though, so maybe it really was for the best he left lol...

Alhanelem

11-17-2015, 05:50 AM

It's a shame he got to be the scapegoat for SE's decision to push the game out before it was ready.It was more than just pushing a game out before it was ready (as true as that is.) There were many components of 1.0 that were fundamentally flawed- ARR happened because those flaws weren't things that could be simply fixed. The reason the PS3 version didn't even come out was because the PS3 was having major problems dealing with the seamless world system - which they already made simple repetitive areas with minimal assets just to accomodate.

The outcome wouldn't have been any different if they waited a few more months or even a year.

It held my interest long enough to finish the MSQ and "beat" the expansion, but when I saw from there I would be doing nothing but more of the same for end game, it was my breaking point. You probably picked the worst possible time to bail out, because you absoulutely would NOT have been doing more of the same for endgame. The Diadem is brand new, completely different from the other game and absolutely tons of fun.

Elexia

11-17-2015, 11:52 PM

By the way - Most people are disappointed in the Diadem unless you love Loot Pinatas. People are still largely doing it now because it hands out (loot pinata) good gear without a lot of work, which also means people heavily undergeared or shouldn't be in the event makes it incredibly hard to get credit to get a chest.

The first go around was fun, but let's be real, now that everyone's settled a lot of people find it boring and as with most in XIV, so much potential, poor implementation. So yes, who doesn't like getting BiS gear for liittle to no work? I mean, unless you're going in full pre-made each and every time, you're mostly getting people who immediately switch to gathering and greed on every gear piece that drops if you DO happen to get chests. His point was, Heavensward's End-game is exactly the same as 2.0 eras.

You may also want to state that Diadem is essentially Hunts and the only way to get the most out of it is Pre-Made on Hard Mode as you're guaranteed S ranks from Fresh Tracks - Also you need to be in a FC with an airship that can do it..not to mention you also can join in on someone else's but they also expect you to pull your weight, because if they notice they're getting no chests, it becomes worse than simply learning Savage Alexander.

Even XI's end-game switched up with every expansion and updates in between in various ways..2 years later it's the exact same. Using the "Mentor and Pupil" analogy, my Mentor would be heavily disappointed in me if I didn't move beyond the basics after 2 years.

detlef

11-18-2015, 02:48 AM

The first go around was fun, but let's be real, now that everyone's settled a lot of people find it boring and as with most in XIV, so much potential, poor implementation. So yes, who doesn't like getting BiS gear for liittle to no work? I mean, unless you're going in full pre-made each and every time, you're mostly getting people who immediately switch to gathering and greed on every gear piece that drops if you DO happen to get chests. His point was, Heavensward's End-game is exactly the same as 2.0 eras.Is this the raid with the gold, silver, and bronze chests? I've been watching over my GF's shoulder and it reminds me of old Dynamis in a bad way. Are there really hundreds of possible drops, the good ones of which only drop from gold chests? How does the lotting system work in that zone considering you can change jobs?

Jin_Uzuki

11-18-2015, 04:54 AM

I agree on everything here.

One of the reasons I left XIV is because of the sadness I felt when I would look at those forums, and I would see XIV's playerbase was more concerned with something like "Eorzea's Next Top Model!" and it having thousands of posts, than they were for actually playing the game.

This made me giggle so hard... because it's completely true.

Rubicant82

11-18-2015, 05:08 AM

Dear SE, please take the time, and give FFXI FFXIV's graphics, and watch players flood back to XI. K, THX!

XIV makes me sad, it is a weekly mission cap fest, and then nothing to do. I love XI, there is so much to do ... though it is the same stuff... XD
Like grinding Apex mobs for CP.

Zumi

11-18-2015, 05:13 AM

Is this the raid with the gold, silver, and bronze chests? I've been watching over my GF's shoulder and it reminds me of old Dynamis in a bad way. Are there really hundreds of possible drops, the good ones of which only drop from gold chests? How does the lotting system work in that zone considering you can change jobs?

I would say it mirrors dynamis a lot. I think they added it because a bunch of FFXI players wanted an event like this were you go around and kill trash mobs for a couple hours and collect random loot. Most of the loot is pure junk you have to get really lucky to get a drop that has any decent stats think Diablo 3. The better content in the patch is King Thoradan and alex savage from the previous patch.

Also there is more to do then just endgame in ffxi, there are so much stuff you to getting glamor gear for you charcter, collecting pets, decorating your house, playing triple traid, or other gold saucer games. Honestly a reason why people like FFXIV so much is there is a variety of different stuff you can spend your time doing.

Its hard playing both FFXI and FFXIV, but I am taking some time off of FFXIV for few hours finish up the final missions in FFXI but I really have a ton of stuff I want to do in FFXIV but I want to see the last missions for myself in FFXI.

detlef

11-18-2015, 05:21 AM

I would say it mirrors dynamis a lot. I think they added it because a bunch of FFXI players wanted an event like this were you go around and kill trash mobs for a couple hours and collect random loot. Most of the loot is pure junk you have to get really lucky to get a drop that has any decent stats think Diablo 3. The better content in the patch is King Thoradan and alex savage from the previous patch.I have a hard time imagining players requesting something like this. You'd think that they'd know better from experience how horrible old school Dynamis was. Anyway, GF seems to enjoy it for now but she's resigned herself to not getting anything she actually wants and all but admitted that the only thing that really mattered to her was that Pegasus mount. Unfortunately her group is stuck on Thoradin and A3 so it remains to be seen what it'll take for them to break through on those two.

If it sounds like I'm being critical, I do have an overall negative opinion but it's going to be a part of my life regardless so I try to understand. I just feel that the game is just memorization, DPS checks, glamour, and mounts. And daily/weekly caps.

Zumi

11-18-2015, 05:26 AM

I have a hard time imagining players requesting something like this. You'd think that they'd know better from experience how horrible old school Dynamis was. Anyway, GF seems to enjoy it for now but she's resigned herself to not getting anything she actually wants and all but admitted that the only thing that really mattered to her was that Pegasus mount. Unfortunately her group is stuck on Thoradin and A3 so it remains to be seen what it'll take for them to break through on those two.

If it sounds like I'm being critical, I do have an overall negative opinion but it's going to be a part of my life regardless so I try to understand. I just feel that the game is just memorization, DPS checks, glamour, and mounts. And daily/weekly caps.

I want the Pegasus mount too because I am a mount collector halfway toward getting it at the moment. Personally I don't find the zone fun, but I do find savage alex and extreme fights really fun. The zone also makes money in that its like the only good source of tier 5 materia which sells for millions, and offers high level craft items. I know some people in few my LS they spend all day doing this zone because they want more gil. SE already said they are going to let you put materia in your raid/tome gear in the next patch so I am sure this will be farmed even more for Tier 5 materia if you want to be the best of the best next patch.

I am going to farm extra coins from the zone too because I have a prediction that the new relics that come out in the next mini patch will somehow use them. If not I can always buy materia with those coins.

Angemon

11-18-2015, 05:34 AM

I would say it mirrors dynamis a lot. I think they added it because a bunch of FFXI players wanted an event like this were you go around and kill trash mobs for a couple hours and collect random loot. Most of the loot is pure junk you have to get really lucky to get a drop that has any decent stats think Diablo 3. The better content in the patch is King Thoradan and alex savage from the previous patch.

Also there is more to do then just endgame in ffxi, there are so much stuff you to getting glamor gear for you charcter, collecting pets, decorating your house, playing triple traid, or other gold saucer games. Honestly a reason why people like FFXIV so much is there is a variety of different stuff you can spend your time doing.

Its hard playing both FFXI and FFXIV, but I am taking some time off of FFXIV for few hours finish up the final missions in FFXI but I really have a ton of stuff I want to do in FFXIV but I want to see the last missions for myself in FFXI.

Lets see... There is monster rearing, chocobo raising, chocobo racing, monstrosity, pankration, ballista, gamble tables, chocobo digging and I'm sure I am missing some. So you didn't consider those content but now in XIV you do? A lot of the reason people stay with 14 is the graphics like someone said earlier... its really shallow.

Zumi

11-18-2015, 05:38 AM

Lets see... There is monster rearing, chocobo raising, chocobo racing, monstrosity, pankration, ballista, gamble tables, chocobo digging and I'm sure I am missing some. So you didn't consider those content but now in XIV you do? A lot of the reason people stay with 14 is the graphics like someone said earlier... its really shallow.

FFXIV has a lot of the same thing, chocobo leveling, chocobo racing / breeding, minion / mount collecting, minion battles, triple traid, gold saucer minigames, gardening, house/room decorating. Both games have a lot of side mini games so what is your point?

Is there some reason why you can't like both games ? There seems to be a lot of FFXI only players who hate on FFXIV but if you spend some time playing it you can find a lot of stuff to do in it.

Elexia

11-18-2015, 06:19 AM

@Diadem: Yes it's the bootleg version of Dynamis, not even "Neo-Dynamis"..just not fun at all once the sheen wears off. Good concept but I much prefer Dynamis. I mean Dino Island Loot Pinata is nice..but anyone who wasnt blinded by "oo shiny!" knew what it would do for the game in terms of gear progression. If it dropped weapons there would have been nil reason to touch Thordan's Reign.

FFXIV has a lot of the same thing, chocobo leveling, chocobo racing / breeding, minion / mount collecting, minion battles, triple traid, gold saucer minigames, gardening, house/room decorating. Both games have a lot of side mini games so what is your point?

Is there some reason why you can't like both games ? There seems to be a lot of FFXI only players who hate on FFXIV but if you spend some time playing it you can find a lot of stuff to do in it.

XIV has a lot of it..and they also let it rot. In XI, it never got "a limelight", but in XIV, it died out quickly because SE made Chocobo Racing part of the content pack in 2.5/2.55, meaning it was the only thing left to do if you weren't farming Final Coil.

I'll make a tl;dr version:

-I did every bit of content, to completion, in the 2 years.
-If they didn't lock you out of gear or systems weekly, the content base of XIV is extremely shallow.
-Yoshida himself in an interview stated they can't do a lot due to fear of crashing the servers or have no funds to do so. You never heard this with XI, you heard "PS2 limitations" in place of "no we won't do this" because in Japanese culture, it's considered rude/bad business to say no - much like when they fire someone, that person merely "left."
-They don't build off of systems in XIV like they do in XI, thus those systems have no purpose after the next update. In XI, some systems die out but if you do them, they're self contained and sometimes benefit you (Monster Rearing for example.) But in XIV, no one does Chocobo Racing to the point if you want to..have fun with those queues.

So yes plenty to do. Much like I can go outside and bench press a boulder. Does it benefit me? Sure, but is it something I'd want to do compared to say going to the movies? Nope. Unless it's to gain access to Ishgard, all 2.0-2.55 content is obsolete and have no purpose being touched. Even Diadem killed the need to do many 3.0 and 3.1 content aside hitting bare minimum Ilvl.

Jin_Uzuki

11-18-2015, 09:15 AM

Zumi

11-18-2015, 11:52 AM

Excellent post Elexia.

I would say the gear system and lack of depth as far character progression are also the biggest weakness in FFXIV. The gear progression in FFXIV is just so boring and sterile that it's hard to get excited and leads to boring end-game. Every gear ever is essentially the same old gear reskinned with +1 stat vomit.

In FFXI you are always acquiring new equipment, doing JP, spending merits and every job/sj combination feels like a complete different experience.

Personally I like the gear progression in FFXIV feels like I am always getting something new and I can see my character doing more damage and getting more hp ect. I like working toward getting new gear and beating the newest raids and how it takes better gear to beat them. I am always doing something in FFXIV.

After beating the last story mission feels like I am done with FFXI that was the ending.

Morovich

11-18-2015, 12:51 PM

FFXIV has a lot of the same thing, chocobo leveling, chocobo racing / breeding, minion / mount collecting, minion battles, triple traid, gold saucer minigames, gardening, house/room decorating. Both games have a lot of side mini games so what is your point?

Is there some reason why you can't like both games ? There seems to be a lot of FFXI only players who hate on FFXIV but if you spend some time playing it you can find a lot of stuff to do in it.

XI gardening and other features you mentioned are so much better then XIV, you get your own Mog Garden (with SoA x-pac), You can buy flowerpots to grow them in your Mog house, you get your own house without paying millions of gil, you can actually raise chocobos from chick to adult, there is no weekly lockout, though there are some things XIV that are nice, racing is better whereas you control the chocobo through the course, the the same old course and such gets old pretty quick, and you can obtain different mounts and pets in-game (though idk why we cant use pets in dungeons) and of course the mini games and TT card game.

As one of the previous posters said though when you see threads like Show your <race>, Best glamour, next top model, marriage partner hook-up etc. alot of players care more bout looks/graphics then actual gameplay. FFXI is more involved and draws you in now I will say the HW was good and well done and its not over yet but it can't top FFXI.

Elexia

11-19-2015, 12:05 AM

Personally I like the gear progression in FFXIV feels like I am always getting something new and I can see my character doing more damage and getting more hp ect. I like working toward getting new gear and beating the newest raids and how it takes better gear to beat them. I am always doing something in FFXIV.

After beating the last story mission feels like I am done with FFXI that was the ending.

This is how I feel in XI when I'm done with reforging my AF sets, finishing my ultimate weapons. Augmenting my skirmish gear and so on. You can't say XI isn't the same way in terms of getting stronger, because especially now with job points and such you get ungodly strong if you put in the time and effort.

In XIV I can fart around in Diadem and become OP if I get lucky on 210 drops without having to touch actual raid content. The fact you can get stronger...without having to do most of the content...is absurdly broken no matter how you slice it. In XI, that's all you were working for: Gearsets. In XIV..you can sure, then after the next update when all that gear is useless, the treadmill continues. Even the broken 1.0/1.23 had better gear depth and progression. I loved the concept of materia because you could customize the gear how you seen fit, in ARR/HW? You need it to MAKE UP for a lack of a stat or because they flood your every gear option with Parry or Skill Speed...OR BOTH!

So while we're still in HW, we'll see how things go - but XI may be older and "over" XIV is designed in the most minimalist way possible. I mean..there's more depth and complexity in Maplestory. It's all well and good to design with new players or returning players in mind - but what about your concurrent players? You know the ones who will be done with a patch content within a week of even casual play because your content based is designed around people who don't play?

Considering the cross over event XIV only players liked, they should do something more permanent and add XI style content as side instances, something challenging, something actually rewarding. Rather than Fates.

Alhanelem

11-19-2015, 01:33 AM

The collecting stones / elixirs / etc in XI to upgrade your gear makes the progression almost as linear, with the main difference being the hassle. XI has a gear covering mechanic now, so I can wear whatever I want, which means I have reason to keep my loot even after I replace it. Prior to style lock and audolin gear, I might be stuck wearing the same gear for YEARS. Playing for so long and not finding an upgrade or enhancement takes some of the excitement out of loot. But that's just my personal taste. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with other methods.

In XIV I can fart around in Diadem and become OP if I get lucky on 210 drops without having to touch actual raid content. You have to be extraordinarily lucky to find items that are better than the raid gear available.

Gear is not useless when you find an upgrade, as it expands your wardrobe. Many people put a ton of effort into customizing their appearance, so it might sound stupid to you but it's important to many people. It might be a "treadmill", but I prefer it to having to keep every single peice of loot handy on my character and make 45 macros to use to swap 70+ peices of gear on for seconds at a time. I'd rather just unlock a permanent benefit than have to do that. If I don't need to wear an item except for a split second, why can't I just find a consumable item that says "Use to gain the trait "Extra damage against monsters when using XYZ ability." ?

Some people seem to relish it, and I'm not knocking them, but the inventory management is the part of this game that I like the least. Imagine if they let you change jobs almost anywhere in the world as in XIV... you wouldn't be able to do it. No, you'd have to go back to your mog hosue anyway and spend 15-20 minutes swapping gear around in your inventory, maybe logging off onto 3 or 4 mules to gather up everything you need. The only reason I don't have this problem is I only play a few jobs, and they can function quite well without half a dozen different gear sets.

But we are destined to clash for all time because we are so wholly opposed, it seems like. Personally, I respect those who choose not to like something, even though I may strongly disagree with their stance. However I find that on the other side, I just get hated on or get treated as "the enemy" for liking what you don't like.

Alhanelem

11-19-2015, 03:35 AM

Incorrect - I have options.Sorry, but it's not incorrect. You do have options, but you keep doing the upgrades/rerolls until you find the highest stats possible. And what happens when I use airlixirs on delve gear? the stats increase. Yes, I have a choice of 3 paths, but I make that decision at the beginning. When I spend airlixirs, the stats increase- they don't transform into a sidegrade.

Point Proven: The gear is useless, except for...Glamour!Point Disproven! If it's useful to someone for something, it's by definition not useless! Who are you to judge and say that glamour isn't important? Many people highly value the ability to customize and change their appearance to suit their moods. I would like to add that I very often see Party Finder listings for people wanting to farm battles for mounts or glamour. There is a very clear demand for this, so for you to say it's useless is insulting to those people.

Again, I still prefer it over FFXI, where I have to carry too many items to count to be fully effective on my jobs, and spend sometimes 15-20 minutes or more swapping gear around befiore I play content! It really confuses me why people find this fun, spending more time managing their inventory than actually playing the game, which is why, where possible, I try to find the best all-around items I can find and only have swaps for things that are absolutely essential.

I love FFXI and I'm still playing it. Having said that however, inventory management is NOT one of the reasons why I love it. I love the game because of its strong storylines and the overall flavor of the world itself. It grew on me for more than 10 years, to the point that no matter what other game I ever play, it will always have a place. A game has an effect on you after so long. Will FFXIV do that to me as well? I don't know. It's definitely possible, but only time will tell.

There you go - Every problem solved. Get off the "Base Stat/Secondary (Crit/Det/SSSpeed/Parry)" only gear design, make gear actually attractive statistically and you don't have to worry. They did it before and it worked fine in XIV, instead they went the current route in order to "not confuse the new player", he even said during beta they're getting rid of shell because having to manage 2 buff spells is "needlessly complex."I don't really need gear to have fancy effects on it for it to be "statistically attractive." All I need is for it to be an upgrade, and one that I can measure.

Take for example the dungeon drops - Why not...make them the appropriate ilvl? Why always an ilvl no one needs or will be caught dead wearing because you can already get higher ilvl far easier and faster? The thing is, people do need them. You and I might not because we're hardcore players, but people that don't play for as long or as many days a week do not min-max their characters every patch. For them, the dungeon gears are upgrades. For them, the content is relevant. Contrary to what most endgamers think, Most players in any MMO (except possibly FFXI after so many years, but it was true earlier on) MMO are casual and do not play for several hours every day or almost every day. Hardcore players are a minority in nearly every videogame in existence.

but where's all the relevant content systems in the game? Gameplay?All over the place? The gameplay is all there? I didn't have any trouble finding it. Fun topics on a forum board doesn't in any way reflect the gameplay or content or percieved lack thereof. It's just people having fun on a forum. It's pretty wild to assume that they're doing fun things on a forum because they're not having fun in the game. If they weren't having fun in the game, they wouldn't be playing the game OR posting on the forums.

In the end, what we have here is a lot of subjective stuff that some people will like and some people will not. I can never change your mind, and you will likely never change mine. What we have are opinions and they aren't right or wrong.