Any word on BLU Breath adjustments?

[Numquam]

SE:

I have a BLU Breath equipment set. I need to know if they Breath spells will ever be good again...I mean...like...good on hard stuff...not regular trash mobs. Any future adjustments? Thanks!

[Fynlar]

I wouldn't hold my... breath

Haha, see, I maed a funy

[Draylo-]

Best they could do: let breath spells go through special barriers like Requiescat. That would make them somewhat useful as I doubt they would ever be useful even given a dmg increase. Our regular melee damage just does a lot more than spells now.

[Grekumah]

We have no plans to adjust blue magic breath spells.

[Draylo-]

Gee thanks

[Olor]

Yeah BLU is super hurting now that it can embrava every 5 minutes. Really needs some more buffs. Why don't we give BLU a self-buff that can be diffusioned every five minutes that has the effect of a brew. BLU might be OK then.

[machini]

It's not fair that the most OP job in the game isn't even more OP.

[Numquam]

Cool, thanks for answering. Also, thank you for nerfing BST!

[Trumpy]

Wow you can diffusion every 5 mins?

[Numquam]

But BST wasn't affecting so Why are you saying thank-you it's been "Nerfed"?


Because that is what polite people do?

[Morovich]

Because that is what polite people do?

I was referring to the Beastmaster range reduction change specifically, not your original question and the replys to it. I.e. Why are you happy it was changed?

[Olor]

Wow you can diffusion every 5 mins?

Self embrava every 5 minutes. Diffused embrava every 10. Still OP.

[Numquam]

I was referring to the Beastmaster range reduction change specifically, not your original question and the replys to it. I.e. Why are you happy it was changed?

Because I am.

[Elexia]

Yeah BLU is super hurting now that it can embrava every 5 minutes. Really needs some more buffs. Why don't we give BLU a self-buff that can be diffusioned every five minutes that has the effect of a brew. BLU might be OK then.

Might want to take a bath to get rid of all that saltiness. Btw, Blue Magical (namely Breath) spells has been an issue since they were implemented in some fashion, has nothing to do with "OPness" - since you're crying about an aspect of your job being changed, this is an aspect of BLU that hasn't been addressed in years, whereas BST ended up getting OP over the years.

Such saltiness.

[Alhanelem]

Because I am.
So you're happy that BLU has a bunch of dysfunctional spells because they have one that's allegedly OP?

I don't think one possibly OP (I don't know, i've never seen or used it) thing is a good excuse not to fix like a dozen broken things.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Might want to take a bath to get rid of all that saltiness. Btw, Blue Magical (namely Breath) spells has been an issue since they were implemented in some fashion, has nothing to do with "OPness" - since you're crying about an aspect of your job being changed, this is an aspect of BLU that hasn't been addressed in years, whereas BST ended up getting OP over the years.

Such saltiness.

And BLU has been over-powered throughout the years in one way or another.

[Numquam]

So you're happy that BLU has a bunch of dysfunctional spells because they have one that's allegedly OP?

I don't think one possibly OP (I don't know, i've never seen or used it) thing is a good excuse not to fix like a dozen broken things.

No, I'm happy BST got nerfed.

[Alhanelem]

No, I'm happy BST got nerfed.
Except it didn't really get nerfed- more like terribly and unnecessairly inconvenienced. Some JP players have already shown that despite the annoyance caused by the short range, they can still do what they were doing before. In other words, all they did was tick people off without really even nerfing anything. So the next question is, why are you happy that SE deliberately ruined people's days without actually fixing any actual problems?

[Numquam]

Except it didn't really get nerfed- more like terribly and unnecessairly inconvenienced. Some JP players have already shown that despite the annoyance caused by the short range, they can still do what they were doing before. In other words, all they did was tick people off without really even nerfing anything. So the next question is, why are you happy that SE deliberately ruined people's days without actually fixing any actual problems?

I guess I'm just a bad person.

[Zaelle]

I always wished BLU breath spells were a legitimate tactic if properly geared for, but it never was back in the pre-abyssea days (to my knowledge) and hasn't been since I came back post-Adoulin. It would be cool to be a breath powerhouse though. There's so many BLU spells that were incredibly useless, it's a shame.

[Elexia]

I always wished BLU breath spells were a legitimate tactic if properly geared for, but it never was back in the pre-abyssea days (to my knowledge) and hasn't been since I came back post-Adoulin. It would be cool to be a breath powerhouse though. There's so many BLU spells that were incredibly useless, it's a shame.

Despite what certain (salty) people feel, BLU has been fairly broken in a weird way since its implementation. It's "OP" now because what job isn't OP in some fashion on relevant content since the ilvl introduction? Take someone no where near ilvl for current content and see how well they do versus someone at ilvl for the content (e.g someone with only 800 accuracy and no gifts/job points versus someone capped off.)

Breath Spells had only 1 use: Killing Tarus in Ballista/Brenner. MP cost for the damage and additional effects doesn't match up. BLU is very balanced in that sense, while you can 'spam strong spells' the more technical spells cost a hefty amount of mp, have long cast times and doesn't scale at all. It's like if you were to use your Cure I-VI and it didn't scale beyond what you'd cure for naked.

[kylani]

Despite what certain (salty) people feel, BLU has been fairly broken in a weird way since its implementation. It's "OP" now because what job isn't OP in some fashion on relevant content since the ilvl introduction? Take someone no where near ilvl for current content and see how well they do versus someone at ilvl for the content (e.g someone with only 800 accuracy and no gifts/job points versus someone capped off.)



It's a shame you can say this, and not understand BST feels the same way. And the BST ability that was nerfed was one we had since day one. I guess it's the same way you call BSTs whiners for not liking a nerf, but apparently, those CRYING for the nerf aren't?

I will say BLU does have a lot of useless spells, but by the same token, it has an incredible array of spells to begin with. I wouldn't care if SE changed this though.

[Arthos]

I have the feeling BLU will be the next on the hate list of the "Nerf that OP job"-fraction. There are so many paralells to BST.
Like BST it's very versatile and relativ safe. Less safe than BST was, but therefore it deals more damage. It got buff after buff until it reached OP status. BST is out of the shootline now, just wait some month and watch.

Btw, i play both jobs, and i like both of them. Just wish they would calculate BEFORE they buff a job to avoid what happened to BST now, call it how you like it: unplayable, not fun to play, ridiculous, or whatever.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I have the feeling BLU will be the next on the hate list of the "Nerf that OP job"-fraction. There are so many paralells to BST.
Like BST it's very versatile and relativ safe. Less safe than BST was, but therefore it deals more damage. It got buff after buff until it reached OP status. BST is out of the shootline now, just wait some month and watch.

Btw, i play both jobs, and i like both of them. Just wish they would calculate BEFORE they buff a job to avoid what happened to BST now, call it how you like it: unplayable, not fun to play, ridiculous, or whatever.

TBF if BST needed to be nerfed so to does BLU.

[machini]

TBF if BST needed to be nerfed so to does BLU.

If BST needed to be nerfed, BLU needs to be nerfed a hundred times over. Throw the 100 and 1200 job point gifts on top of that, and it's so mindbogglingly insane it hurts my brain.

[Arthos]

If BST needed to be nerfed, BLU needs to be nerfed a hundred times over. Throw the 100 and 1200 job point gifts on top of that, and it's so mindbogglingly insane it hurts my brain.

But it's alot fun to play.

[Elexia]

If BST needed to be nerfed, BLU needs to be nerfed a hundred times over. Throw the 100 and 1200 job point gifts on top of that, and it's so mindbogglingly insane it hurts my brain.

BST wasn't nerfed though. They changed the range, they didn't change anything else about it. BLU has a ton of useless spells and many spells that aren't used due to high MP costs/long cast time/EXTREMELY low damage on any relevant content. This is what I mean by saltiness. "You nerf us..NERF THIS JOB! NERF THEM! NERF THEM!"

You said; "Throw the 100 and 1200 job point gifts ontop of..."

I said this before I'll say it again - Throw a Blue Mage who last played in 2009 into the ring with a Blue Mage who is up to date in say, Escha on a T1 NM. Parse them. See who does well, see who does better. BLU mage is "OP" like any other job in the game is currently if you're in current ilvl/superior and capped on gifts. Blue Mage in particular requires A LOT to get "OP" because it's not a simple level blu, profit.

[Arthos]

They don't want Blu to get nerfed. They say IF Bst needs nerf, so does Blu too. It's a difference.
It's also right, if there would be a OP scale, they were on the same level. And Blu is NOT harder to build. Some days more for spellfarming, thats it. Therefore it doesnt cost you gil all the time.

[Fynlar]

BST wasn't nerfed though. They changed the range, they didn't change anything else about it.

Oh okay, that's not a nerf, yep.

In the meantime, I suppose if WHM Cure range suddenly became 7 yalms tomorrow (only to WHM btw; every other class could still Cure from 21') you wouldn't be calling that a nerf to WHM, either.

[Elexia]

Oh okay, that's not a nerf, yep.

In the meantime, I suppose if WHM Cure range suddenly became 7 yalms tomorrow (only to WHM btw; every other class could still Cure from 21') you wouldn't be calling that a nerf to WHM, either.

I'd be more curious as to why they'd make that unrealistic change.

[Jile]

The BST Nerf breaks how the job functions. A small adjustment could have been made to the damage multiplier of the aoe pet moves and it would have had the desired effect without changing the fundamentals of how the job is played.

The Nerf is also broken as when your pet moves after anything that momentarily pulls it's attention you can no longer use reward or tp moves until you literally chase your pet down and stand on its head.

SE needs to adjust this Nerf asap.

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As for the point of this thread, it's a shame that BLU breath spells are not being adjusted to make them decent.

[machini]

BST wasn't nerfed though. They changed the range, they didn't change anything else about it. BLU has a ton of useless spells and many spells that aren't used due to high MP costs/long cast time/EXTREMELY low damage on any relevant content. This is what I mean by saltiness. "You nerf us..NERF THIS JOB! NERF THEM! NERF THEM!"

You said; "Throw the 100 and 1200 job point gifts ontop of..."

I said this before I'll say it again - Throw a Blue Mage who last played in 2009 into the ring with a Blue Mage who is up to date in say, Escha on a T1 NM. Parse them. See who does well, see who does better. BLU mage is "OP" like any other job in the game is currently if you're in current ilvl/superior and capped on gifts. Blue Mage in particular requires A LOT to get "OP" because it's not a simple level blu, profit.

Elexia, I don't play BST. I know this is really hard for some people to understand, namely that someone who doesn't play Beastmaster could think the nerf to Beastmaster was completely uncalled for, but it is reality.

And BLU Job Point Gifts completely blow out of the water all the other ones for all other jobs in terms of sheer overpoweredness. Isn't an entire merit category "More BLU points?" I wouldn't mind an entire Job Point Gift Category for DNC that was "One of your Merit Choices but twice as good."

The only job that comes close to that is PUP, with the extra allowance for attachments on their dolls, but if you think PUP is anywhere near BLU, you're wrong.

Since this change the shouts for BST have rapidly fallen off, and suddenly I'm seeing people wanting BLU for an awful lot of stuff where previously they were shunned.

Under SE Logic, is that in and of itself not reason to nerf BLU?

[Olor]

They don't want Blu to get nerfed. They say IF Bst needs nerf, so does Blu too. It's a difference.
It's also right, if there would be a OP scale, they were on the same level. And Blu is NOT harder to build. Some days more for spellfarming, thats it. Therefore it doesnt cost you gil all the time.

Exactly. I am not calling for a nerf to BLU. I am saying if BST - which was only useful in very niche setups for a very few events is OP - BLU which is useful everywhere - can heal, can tank, can DD can do EVERYTHING is way more OP.

I play BLU and I think it's ridiculously overpowered. BST has never been half as powerful as BLU.

[Fynlar]

I'd be more curious as to why they'd make that unrealistic change.

Welcome to what every BST out there is thinking right now.

[Rubeus]

as a BLU who practically mains it lately, my opinion: 2 more tiers of job traits we only get 1 tier in (from gifts) and an extra 15 "set blue magic points" (from gifts) when modern spells cost upwards of 8 points isn't really OP, I hate to tell you. I still only have 20 spell slots, I still can only usually equip around 12 spells (even with 75 blue magic set points) and as a natural result of that I usually have to delicately balance between healing, utility, debuff and damage. There isn't a single setup possible that allows you to do it all. This is, as usual, coupled with high spell MP costs, recasts, low damage, etc.
Meanwhile Samurai and Ranger get gifts further keeping them kings of the DD world. Go pick on someone else's job for awhile, breaking BST wasn't fun enough for everyone?

[Fynlar]

I still can only usually equip around 12 spells (even with 75 blue magic set points)I can tell you you're probably not doing it right, because that would mean almost every single spell you're setting has a set point cost of at least 6, which definitely raises some red flags as there are many spells under that cost that are worth setting.

You should be hitting close to the 20 spell capacity if you're actually taking full advantage of those 75 set points + the trait system, especially with those gifts if you have them.

Note that just because a spell is newer / worth more set points it doesn't necessarily make it better to equip. Many of the things you should be equipping are pre-lv99. Moreover, you don't need to equip a bunch of direct-damaging spells nowadays; you basically just need a skillchain closer or two. You should be relying more on your melee/WS (or stuff like Subduction spam, if AoEing) for your damage.

[machini]

I'm not surprised to find another BLU main who doesn't know how to play BLU who wanted BST nerfed.

[Olor]

There isn't a single setup possible that allows you to do it all.

If you're trying to do it all with one spell set, you're doing it wrong. BLU can decide to fill pretty much any role - and set spells accordingly. No one is suggesting you try to set things for every role all at once and therefore end up sucking at everything...

[Numquam]

I'm not surprised to find another BLU main who doesn't know how to play BLU who wanted BST nerfed.

Oooooo~

Anyways, BLU doesn't look like it is going to be on the chopping block anytime soon. BLU has to balance their spells and traits. They also have to maintain a balance on MP use if you're a non-Tizzy BLU. I main BLU and do it very well. I'm very happy that BST was nerfed. I haven't partied with one since the update and don't ever plan on inviting one ever again. See, I got pretty pissed when I was rejected from shouts and it was the "BST only days". Now, I can mill around on BLU with a spell-set that gives me the ability to mitigate damage, heal, enfeeble, buff, and toss out damage with either swords or clubs. A "real" BST-main will know how to work around the nerf, but everyone else that jumped onto the BST-bandwagon are going to keep this thread alive.

[Alhanelem]

I'd be more curious as to why they'd make that unrealistic change.
For the same reason they'd make the (what we thought would be) unrealistic change of reducing BST ability range while buffing SMN ability range?

[machini]

Oooooo~

Anyways, BLU doesn't look like it is going to be on the chopping block anytime soon. BLU has to balance their spells and traits. They also have to maintain a balance on MP use if you're a non-Tizzy BLU. I main BLU and do it very well. I'm very happy that BST was nerfed. I haven't partied with one since the update and don't ever plan on inviting one ever again. See, I got pretty pissed when I was rejected from shouts and it was the "BST only days". Now, I can mill around on BLU with a spell-set that gives me the ability to mitigate damage, heal, enfeeble, buff, and toss out damage with either swords or clubs. A "real" BST-main will know how to work around the nerf, but everyone else that jumped onto the BST-bandwagon are going to keep this thread alive.

BST is level 15, has been for years. I'm just sick of seeing the attitude of "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down".

And maybe I'll get lucky and someday soon BLU will get nerfed to hell and then DNC will be wanted for things.

[Numquam]

BST is level 15, has been for years. I'm just sick of seeing the attitude of "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down".

And maybe I'll get lucky and someday soon BLU will get nerfed to hell and then DNC will be wanted for things.

A nail that sticks out is potentially dangerous, so it is better to hammer it back into place. Also, a nail that sticks out are signs of damaged infrastructure. A nail left sticking out on its own can also just probably rust and fall off without ever being noticed and get buried somewhere. DNC has a lot going for it, maybe you just need better people around you. I'm sorry you feel left out.

[bazookatooth]

Oooooo~

Anyways, BLU doesn't look like it is going to be on the chopping block anytime soon. BLU has to balance their spells and traits. They also have to maintain a balance on MP use if you're a non-Tizzy BLU. I main BLU and do it very well. I'm very happy that BST was nerfed. I haven't partied with one since the update and don't ever plan on inviting one ever again. See, I got pretty pissed when I was rejected from shouts and it was the "BST only days". Now, I can mill around on BLU with a spell-set that gives me the ability to mitigate damage, heal, enfeeble, buff, and toss out damage with either swords or clubs. A "real" BST-main will know how to work around the nerf, but everyone else that jumped onto the BST-bandwagon are going to keep this thread alive.

I wonder what you would have thought if someone said this to you before the bst nerf...


BLU has a lot going for it, maybe you just need better people around you. I'm sorry you feel left out.

[Arthos]

Now, I can mill around on BLU with a spell-set that gives me the ability to mitigate damage, heal, enfeeble, buff, and toss out damage with either swords or clubs.

I see.


A "real" BST-main will know how to work around the nerf, but everyone else that jumped onto the BST-bandwagon are going to keep this thread alive

Your main class is shown as BST, btw.

Honestly, enjoy your BLU instead of provoking player's who lost their favorite job. Bandwagon player's dont care much about nerf, they move onto next bandwagon. The person's who really got hurt with the "adjustment" are the "real" Beastmasters, who playing this job since years.
Most people will agree, that some balancing work needs to be done. And people complained over years that they couldn't bring jobs to events. The wanted jobs changed, thats it. Lately it was BST, before it was THF, and next it will be BLU.
With adjusting the BST range they went too far, because the bandwagon train leaves this job now in an absurd state. And this makes said people angry and they complain.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

But now we know its been into battle into both ends of needs to be nerfed, needs to be increased and spit right back out in which you cant have it going both ways. Now as to the events in certain jobs not wanting to be wanted to be played into them in Reality it's not the jobs at fault it's more on the events at fault in how they were created having said certain jobs included in which its really the mobs/monsters that where created plus there type of difficulty through the runs that make it to be chosen to certain jobs and it could be the outlaying exterior of the set up your running through to be the set up of choice so I wouldn't necessarily blame its the jobs faults as I would more so on the way the events or battlefields that were created before hand as they were implemented into the game. :D Yup this is a topic on blue but seeing its covering bst and the ability to enter types of battlefields over jobs as well. :cool:

[Numquam]

I see.



Your main class is shown as BST, btw.

Honestly, enjoy your BLU instead of provoking player's who lost their favorite job. Bandwagon player's dont care much about nerf, they move onto next bandwagon. The person's who really got hurt with the "adjustment" are the "real" Beastmasters, who playing this job since years.
Most people will agree, that some balancing work needs to be done. And people complained over years that they couldn't bring jobs to events. The wanted jobs changed, thats it. Lately it was BST, before it was THF, and next it will be BLU.
With adjusting the BST range they went too far, because the bandwagon train leaves this job now in an absurd state. And this makes said people angry and they complain.

I never provoked anyone. Go back to the first page and you'll understand how this mess started. I really, really wanted to know if BLU was going to have its breath spell arsenal buffed or not. And yes, I have BST listed and was my first job back in 2011. I used it to level an alt and break 75.

[machini]

DNC has a lot going for it, maybe you just need better people around you. I'm sorry you feel left out.

Yeah, problem is, the "better" people on my server, at least, seem to all be people who mock and insult me for playing DNC, asking to come to things as DNC, or suggesting that people play things that are fun. I've had enough abuse from some of them that I'm quite positive I could have had them banned over what they've told me in /tell, and I've had more than one person hunt me down out of game to heap abuse upon me. There was quite a peak in that stuff, too, after I reported a pretty major DNC Job Point related bug here, and it was so bad I quit the game for a month to get away from it.

I've also had people put out the theory that Asura is just a server full of angry people, and that I've become an angry person since trying to do serious end game stuff as DNC.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yeah, problem is, the "better" people on my server, at least, seem to all be people who mock and insult me for playing DNC, asking to come to things as DNC, or suggesting that people play things that are fun. I've had enough abuse from some of them that I'm quite positive I could have had them banned over what they've told me in /tell, and I've had more than one person hunt me down out of game to heap abuse upon me. There was quite a peak in that stuff, too, after I reported a pretty major DNC Job Point related bug here, and it was so bad I quit the game for a month to get away from it.

I've also had people put out the theory that Asura is just a server full of angry people, and that I've become an angry person since trying to do serious end game stuff as DNC.

That sounds more like bullying and you should have reported them. Heck the one that done so outside of the game especially should have been reported to the police.