Nightmare becoming true ... save PS2 and xbox version PLEASE SUPPORT

[LeDragonSYNC]

They stopping updates for ffxi soon ... so what's the problem of stopping ps2 and xbox support .... they'll only make simple bug fix so no real lot of problem of making lil patch like these on all systems , man this game was designed for console , final fantasy are all on consoles. Even if you play on pc you dont want the already low population too be cut again .... heck they play not to even merge servers ...

anyways enough whyning.. Please support so we save consoles ..

[bungiefanNA]

Sony is shutting down their DNAS servers in March, which FFXI requires to be able to connect. Also, SE's supply of PS2 devkits to compile the files for PS2 to implement bug fixes are dwindling. They can't get more devkits, they've already bought every one available in the world that anyone was willing to sell. They can patch the PC client, but they can't make new assets (graphics and sounds/music) once the devkits stop working, so they're rather stop releasing new content and stop using the kits before they all fail. Xbox 360 support is also ending because Microsoft is shutting down the server that is used to connect to the FFXI servers.

So partially, it's not SE's choice to keep console support going, if the parent companies of the consoles shut down their matchmaking and authentication servers.

[Seillan]

"heck they play not to even merge servers ..."

Assuming you mean "plan" have they actually said that anywhere?

[Catmato]

have they actually said that anywhere?I don't have a link, but I believe they said they don't want to merge servers until after Rhapsodies is done.


Please support so we save consoles ..I really don't understand the opposition to playing on PC. PCs have HDMI ports and support controllers. FFXI also has really low system requirements. Consoles have held the game back since 2002, why continue to do so after its swan song?

[bungiefanNA]

The move entirely to PC will kill a good portion of the JP population from playing the game, as PC gaming is nowhere near as popular as console and mobile gaming there. By decreasing the population, the risk increases of the game no longer being profitable, and thus them shutting it down completely. However, with the Sony-and-Microsoft-hosted servers shutting down, there is no choice unless they wanted to spend a ton of money making new development tools and writing a new client for a more modern console. There's little point in doing that with how profitable DQX and FFXIV are in comparison.

[Tidis]

I really don't get it, you could get a bottom of the range PC for peanuts and be able to play FFXI on it, there really is no barrier to switching when it happens.

[Seillan]

I don't have a link, but I believe they said they don't want to merge servers until after Rhapsodies is done.

Yeah, I thought I remembered reading something like that myself. That's why I was wondering where the OP came to the conclusion that they had no intentions of merging them at all.

[bazookatooth]

The move entirely to PC will kill a good portion of the JP population from playing the game, as PC gaming is nowhere near as popular as console and mobile gaming there. By decreasing the population, the risk increases of the game no longer being profitable, and thus them shutting it down completely. However, with the Sony-and-Microsoft-hosted servers shutting down, there is no choice unless they wanted to spend a ton of money making new development tools and writing a new client for a more modern console. There's little point in doing that with how profitable DQX and FFXIV are in comparison.

PC gaming may not be popular in Japan, but that doesn't mean they don'y have computers. There's a difference between being a PC gamer and playing one game on PC.

[LeDragonSYNC]

I have à pc i even play ffxi on thé pc sometimes but i wanna Keep bèing able to lay back on my sofa and play on a big screen with à controller. Idc if its costing them money Se have à réputation to save before thinking of greed like that. I dont understand why you Guys want it to shut so bad on console.. They wont update thé Game anyways. Like once 3 month they said and it will probably mean minor update. It could have à secound wind on ps4 and no montly fée. I think that could attrack lots of players back in game and as a console gamer i would bè happy but they wont so Please dont shut down ps2 lol. And Please Guys support

[Tidis]

I have à pc i even play ffxi on thé pc sometimes but i wanna Keep bèing able to lay back on my sofa and play on a big screen with à controller. Idc if its costing them money Se have à réputation to save before thinking of greed like that. I dont understand why you Guys want it to shut so bad on console.. They wont update thé Game anyways. Like once 3 month they said and it will probably mean minor update. It could have à secound wind on ps4 and no montly fée. I think that could attrack lots of players back in game and as a console gamer i would bè happy but they wont so Please dont shut down ps2 lol. And Please Guys support

Out of order to be accusing SE of greed, especially since it has already been explained it's not SE's actions that are stopping PS2 + 360 support, Microsoft are closing 360 servers and Sony have only been keeping servers up as a favour to SE, it is literally the only PS2 game still with online capabilites.

As for sitting back with a controller, the PC version is more than capable of being played with a controller.

[LeDragonSYNC]

i'd wonder how you guys would react , : FFXI directer yoshimoto has announced the close of support for PC , peaple will still be able to log in trough their xbox and ps2,

-No don't shut down the PC!!! the americans are on PC this will shut down the player base
- who cares SE said it was costing to much money for those players to invest cause there too much PC players and that involes too much servers soo to much staff to pay to keep continuing support on pc. Plus SE was just hosting those server has favor to microsoft windows PC. thanks you for years of involment in FFXI we looking foward see you online the FFXI team

[Economizer]

They can patch the PC client, but they can't make new assets (graphics and sounds/music) once the devkits stop working, so they're rather stop releasing new content and stop using the kits before they all fail.

This is the weakest excuse ever. They're dropping PS2 support, so needing a PS2 devkit to make new assets is stupid.

The JP population evaporating with the PS2 makes some sense because no company would be so insane as to support a platform that has been otherwise killing their once intensely profitable MMO for the last five or six years.

As for the person complaining about PS2 support getting dropped, get any PC made in the last decade, you can buy them used for dirt cheap (and reinstalling Windows if you're worried about the last person's files is super easy too), then get a USB adapter for your controller since that's the only legit excuse you couldn't hack it at playing on a PC, and spend five minutes mapping your controller. If you're using a PS3 controller the adapter is just the cord to charge it even.

[IBHalliwellJR]

If PS2 isn't possible (e.g. dev kit issues), why not port to PS3 and PS4? Consoles are NOT dead!

[Tidis]

If PS2 isn't possible (e.g. dev kit issues), why not port to PS3 and PS4? Consoles are NOT dead!

FFXI isn't worth the cost of porting it to PS3 or PS4.

[LeDragonSYNC]

yah SE is such too poor ... i mean with 2.3 million players in ff14 at 15 $ per month just for ff14 profit , they surly don't have the money to port ffxi on ps4.

[Tidis]

Porting FFXI because FFXIV is profitable makes no sense whatsoever.

[Zarchery]

yah SE is such too poor ... i mean with 2.3 million players in ff14 at 15 $ per month just for ff14 profit , they surly don't have the money to port ffxi on ps4.

He's saying that the FFXI property is not valuable enough to port. I'm sure they have plenty of money for it.... but Square Enix is not a charity. They're not going to sink R&D money into propping up a 12 year old product that's already losing popularity. They're going to sink it into potentially profitable new ventures, such as the recently announced FF7 remake.

[LeDragonSYNC]

I'd like to sincerly apologies to everybody i irritated in this thread . Looks like no body cares about PS2. SO be it. I'll play it till march 2016 and then , like you guys suggested i will move on to PC. As for the future of this game : (No montlee fee ) or/and PS4 & Xbox one port would attrack lots of players back in the game. If still you guys think it's a waste of money for SE , then merging servers would be the last viable option i see to have a cool crowded realm with lots of pep on it and that would let the game survive more long. Also maybe SE as more bullets in pocket that we think and might aswell do us surprise and completly reupdate the engine UI fix bugs add more userfreiendly things to the game since they won't have the system limitation they had , who knows ? yes sometimes cool things happens .. :) I think i can close this thread on this note of positivism.

[Draylo-]

Porting FFXI because FFXIV is profitable makes no sense whatsoever.

So rebuilding FFXIV from scratch when FFXI was more profitable makes sense? Of course it makes sense to update/upgrade ffxi for ps4/PC or at the least PC, they could have two profitable MMO's (subscription cost reduction for having both) instead of just one.

[bazookatooth]

If PS2 isn't possible (e.g. dev kit issues), why not port to PS3 and PS4? Consoles are NOT dead!

ermm... because they would still need a PS2 devkit...

[Economizer]

Of course it makes sense to update/upgrade ffxi for ps4/PC or at the least PC, they could have two profitable MMO's

Just the PC, although I believe XIV is based on the idea that they will be dropping PS3 support at some point in the future, and in a long time, PS4 support as well, which is the healthy and proper way to handle MMO support of a console. The MMO either grows or it dies.

Letting a profitable MMO die is like letting your money tree break because you wouldn't water it. The water might be expensive, but growing a new money tree is notoriously hard and not always successful. Yet they certainly used the barely wilting leaves from one money tree to fund full time world class arborists to save a sapling that had snapped in half and previously caught fire, and when one of the arborists asked if they wanted to rig up a node for the barely wilting tree on their new irrigation system for free, they ripped a branch from that tree and started hitting him with the resulting stick.

[Zarchery]

It's funny that we are discussing this now because just last night I had to boot up my PS2 copy for the first time in about 5 years. I was redoing Apocalypse Nigh. I had just finished the fight and it was playing the ending cutscene. During that cutscene, Eshnatarl does some sort of spell which for some reason, crashed POL on my computer every single time. Every time I restarted, I went right back into that cutscene and had the crash. I was stuck in something of a loop.

Luckily I still had my Playstation 2. I reconnected it and after about 10 hours of updating (totally not exaggerating) I was able to log on and finish the cutscene there, and get back to playing on PC.

[Seillan]

It's funny that we are discussing this now because just last night I had to boot up my PS2 copy for the first time in about 5 years. I was redoing Apocalypse Nigh. I had just finished the fight and it was playing the ending cutscene. During that cutscene, Eshnatarl does some sort of spell which for some reason, crashed POL on my computer every single time. Every time I restarted, I went right back into that cutscene and had the crash. I was stuck in something of a loop.

Luckily I still had my Playstation 2. I reconnected it and after about 10 hours of updating (totally not exaggerating) I was able to log on and finish the cutscene there, and get back to playing on PC.

Ha, so the old, decrepit bird has its uses. Hopefully, after SE finishes with the RoV updates, they'll devote more time to squashing game-halting bugs like that. I imagine that would have really sucked if you hadn't still had the PS2 setup available -- especially considering how slow SE is about fixing issues like that manually for users (or so I've heard.) Aren't you still stuck on a Bastok mission or something, Bungie?

[Zarchery]

Ha, so the old, decrepit bird has its uses. Hopefully, after SE finishes with the RoV updates, they'll devote more time to squashing game-halting bugs like that. I imagine that would have really sucked if you hadn't still had the PS2 setup available -- especially considering how slow SE is about fixing issues like that manually for users (or so I've heard.) Aren't you still stuck on a Bastok mission or something, Bungie?

I don't think this was actually a game issue. This is something with my computer. I sometimes get crashes like that if a Blizzard family spell is cast, be it me, an enemy, or a party member. Something about the graphic effect on my screen causes the crash. Like..... the cluster of crystals and polygons bunched together like that. The cutscene I'm referring to has a visual effect quite similar to a Blizzard family spell.

If my PS2 weren't available, I probably would have installed the game on my laptop and run it through there.

[bungiefanNA]

I have à pc i even play ffxi on thé pc sometimes but i wanna Keep bèing able to lay back on my sofa and play on a big screen with à controller. Idc if its costing them money Se have à réputation to save before thinking of greed like that. I dont understand why you Guys want it to shut so bad on console.. They wont update thé Game anyways. Like once 3 month they said and it will probably mean minor update. It could have à secound wind on ps4 and no montly fée. I think that could attrack lots of players back in game and as a console gamer i would bè happy but they wont so Please dont shut down ps2 lol. And Please Guys support

You can hook your computer to your TV via HDMI, and hook up a PS2/Xbox 360/PS3/PS4 controller to your computer and play the same as you do on your console, while running the PC version.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DU25UO/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That's what I use to play on PC. I've never used the keyboard-only controls, I only know how to play with a controller mapped. I play on my 48" HDTV with HDMI.

Also, have you seen the PS2 version lately. I booted mine up on Friday, and the menus were unresponsive in the Mog Garden. Adoulin was a crash fest. The program is pushing the memory and CPU limitations of the PS2 right now, to the point the system is struggling.


This is the weakest excuse ever. They're dropping PS2 support, so needing a PS2 devkit to make new assets is stupid.

The JP population evaporating with the PS2 makes some sense because no company would be so insane as to support a platform that has been otherwise killing their once intensely profitable MMO for the last five or six years.

As for the person complaining about PS2 support getting dropped, get any PC made in the last decade, you can buy them used for dirt cheap (and reinstalling Windows if you're worried about the last person's files is super easy too), then get a USB adapter for your controller since that's the only legit excuse you couldn't hack it at playing on a PC, and spend five minutes mapping your controller. If you're using a PS3 controller the adapter is just the cord to charge it even.


They stated in the Famitsu interview that their tools for making new game assets are on the PS2 devkits. Their PC tools are only to convert the created assets to PC and Xbox 360, they don't have the tools to make new assets directly on PC.


Ha, so the old, decrepit bird has its uses. Hopefully, after SE finishes with the RoV updates, they'll devote more time to squashing game-halting bugs like that. I imagine that would have really sucked if you hadn't still had the PS2 setup available -- especially considering how slow SE is about fixing issues like that manually for users (or so I've heard.) Aren't you still stuck on a Bastok mission or something, Bungie?

San d'Oria mission Lightbringer, and it's a server-side glitch, not a client-side. I just haven't had much time to play in the last month, with trying to buy a house and my landlord having illegally kicked me out before I finished the purchase, so I've been couch surving. About a month ago it got escalated and GMs are noticing me when I am playing to ask about it. I haven't tried the mission again since.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

Ha, so the old, decrepit bird has its uses. Hopefully, after SE finishes with the RoV updates, they'll devote more time to squashing game-halting bugs like that. I imagine that would have really sucked if you hadn't still had the PS2 setup available -- especially considering how slow SE is about fixing issues like that manually for users (or so I've heard.) Aren't you still stuck on a Bastok mission or something, Bungie?


It's funny that we are discussing this now because just last night I had to boot up my PS2 copy for the first time in about 5 years. I was redoing Apocalypse Nigh. I had just finished the fight and it was playing the ending cutscene. During that cutscene, Eshnatarl does some sort of spell which for some reason, crashed POL on my computer every single time. Every time I restarted, I went right back into that cutscene and had the crash. I was stuck in something of a loop.

Luckily I still had my Playstation 2. I reconnected it and after about 10 hours of updating (totally not exaggerating) I was able to log on and finish the cutscene there, and get back to playing on PC.

So i'm just wondering if you had this installed on an another type of pc, the same effect of the area in the game wouldn't of occurred if you played it on that pc as well to get past what you were stuck crashing or rather not getting past on the main pc you were playing on as well?

[Urat]

If you like being able to play on big screen TV, you can still have that no problem.

You can hook up computers to big screen TVs with HDMI.

Then use any of the available programs to connect a PS3 controller to your computer's bluetooth.

Map the PS3 controller's buttons to be the same as normal ffxi controls, and boom you can still play ffxi just like its PS2. Except you can make it prettier and nicer looking by configuring your rendering settings via SE's config menu in the game.

As for porting to PS3: I'm pretty sure SE still needs a ps2 devkit for this.

[Zarchery]

Does anyone know what a "PS2 Devkit" actually consists of? I'm curious. Why are they becoming so difficult to come by?

[Shirai]

Does anyone know what a "PS2 Devkit" actually consists of? I'm curious.


As far as my Google-Fu could take me, it is an actual machine.
http://media.techeblog.com/images/playstation2devkit.jpg
What is in that machine and what it actually runs on I could not find as fast but as far as I can see, there just isn't much information out there about them.


Why are they becoming so difficult to come by?

They aren't being manufactured anymore, and why should they? As far as I could find in the available information on them they went for as much as $20.000 retail, disregarding the assembly price of one machine, it would be a bit of a misinvestment to keep making them to keep just one single game running.
Especially since the actual console isn't being made or supported anymore.

[SMD111]

the PS2 Devkit is the same as a ps2 in hardware but it has some software that allows companies to build and test unregistered game data and get code debugging data if something does not work

thay also have other things i dont know about

[Zeargi]

the PS2 Devkit is the same as a ps2 in hardware but it has some software that allows companies to build and test unregistered game data and get code debugging data if something does not work

thay also have other things i dont know about

Those are the two important ones. Personally As I've said it before, with that announcement of the Emulation-Backwards compatibility for the Xbox One. That's the closest thing to extending the life on the game consoles. As it adds an avenue for a digital download and a chance to keep some of the existing player base that play there. I know that all of you that play on the PC don't want that, but to be honest, you should want ANYTHING to keep people playing and a way to open up to new players. Consoles may not have the power or the graphics, but the do have the mainstream and simplification. Insert disc, pick up a controller, play. No configuration, No Button Mapping, just game playing. Also, Speaking of button mapping... I still can't get this 360 controller to work on my PC.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

Those are the two important ones. Personally As I've said it before, with that announcement of the Emulation-Backwards compatibility for the Xbox One. That's the closest thing to extending the life on the game consoles. As it adds an avenue for a digital download and a chance to keep some of the existing player base that play there. I know that all of you that play on the PC don't want that, but to be honest, you should want ANYTHING to keep people playing and a way to open up to new players. Consoles may not have the power or the graphics, but the do have the mainstream and simplification. Insert disc, pick up a controller, play. No configuration, No Button Mapping, just game playing. Also, Speaking of button mapping... I still can't get this 360 controller to work on my PC.

Awe!..But here is the thing, it's been mentioned many times in many different threads on how to get those controllers to work on your PC and also been mentioned in many different ways to do it too. ;)

[bungiefanNA]

Devkits aren't exactly the same hardware. They have more CPU and RAM, and they run the development software to write code, export it to hard drive and recordable media. They weren't simply sold, they were licensed, and were supposed to be returned to Sony when no longer in use.

Units that say TEST are the part of the devkit used to run the created software for bug testing. Units that say TOOL run the Linux environment with the programming tools and compilers to make software for the platform. Sony only made TOOL units in limited quantities for licensed software developers for the platform, and more TEST units for them to use for internal testing.

[Zeargi]

Awe!..But here is the thing, it's been mentioned many times in many different threads on how to get those controllers to work on your PC and also been mentioned in many different ways to do it too. ;)

Still can't get it to work, so... makes no difference if it's been mentioned. :D

[bazookatooth]

Still can't get it to work, so... makes no difference if it's been mentioned. :D

the xbox 360 controller is plug and play. The only time you have to do anything tricky is if you want to use the triggers instead of the bumpers for macros.

[Zeargi]

the xbox 360 controller is plug and play. The only time you have to do anything tricky is if you want to use the triggers instead of the bumpers for macros.

And that's exactly what I want to do. At this point it's all muscle memory and I want the same flow for the PC

[Seillan]

And that's exactly what I want to do. At this point it's all muscle memory and I want the same flow for the PC

Not sure if you're willing to buy a PC gamepad for XI, but I've found the Logitech Cordless Rumblepad 2 to be a great controller for it. I actually just bought a practically brand new one off of eBay for around 40 dollars recently (they don't produce these anymore), not because I needed a new one yet, but just as a way to future-proof my experience. Logitech has a newer version of this controller as well (the F710 and the corded F310) which is still in production but I prefer the older version for the feel of the trigger buttons.

You do need to install drivers for them, and map some buttons, but in the end it's really just a minor inconvenience. All three of the controllers listed above allow you to access all of the buttons (including the triggers) without any need for 3rd party solutions.

[Rinuko]

I don't understand what the big deal is. I play on PC and have a XB360 controller and sit in my sofa and play on my 55" TV screen. Only time I use my KB is for typing. Probably no diffrence to current console players..


Just the PC, although I believe XIV is based on the idea that they will be dropping PS3 support at some point in the future, and in a long time, PS4 support as well, which is the healthy and proper way to handle MMO support of a console. The MMO either grows or it dies.

Letting a profitable MMO die is like letting your money tree break because you wouldn't water it. The water might be expensive, but growing a new money tree is notoriously hard and not always successful. Yet they certainly used the barely wilting leaves from one money tree to fund full time world class arborists to save a sapling that had snapped in half and previously caught fire, and when one of the arborists asked if they wanted to rig up a node for the barely wilting tree on their new irrigation system for free, they ripped a branch from that tree and started hitting him with the resulting stick.

Diffrence with XI and XIV is also that they coded XIV for PC and not PS3/PS4 like with XI there they coded the game for PS2 then ported it to PC and eventually XBox.

[bungiefanNA]

Still can't get it to work, so... makes no difference if it's been mentioned. :D

Map the triggers with Joy2Key to Ctrl and Alt. That will make them work as macro buttons. There are multiple options to make them work. If they aren't working for you, you are doing them wrong, and you may want to set up a Skype/TeamViewer session with someone that has made it work to get assistance.

[Zeargi]

Map the triggers with Joy2Key to Ctrl and Alt. That will make them work as macro buttons. There are multiple options to make them work. If they aren't working for you, you are doing them wrong, and you may want to set up a Skype/TeamViewer session with someone that has made it work to get assistance.

I did that, and it still wasn't getting them to show up as macros. I tried it with my Xbox, PS3, and my PS4 Controllers. :/