What made the dev team think this event was a good idea?

[Cabalabob]

I know! Let's get the entire server to attack 1 monster and make them perform numerous skillchains on it in less than a minute!

What were they thinking? It is practically impossible to complete these objectives with so many people just spamming weaponskills mindlessly..

[Vasch]

There's also about 30 afk or autoattack only people sitting in the area for each one and it seems that they all add the the objectives needed. The one i'm at has been at 19% for over 4 hours.

[Morovich]

whats the strategy for the event how do you do it?

[Lithera]

Yes the AFKers count towards the objective totals...

Morovich...the idea is that people band together to complete the objectives that pop up. You generally get 60s to complete either a set amount of WSs (10 WSs are added to the total for each player in range of the Behemoth) set number of SCs or set number of speciifc element SCs. The behemoth is only damageable after completing an objective and only for a short time. Once 10-15 people show up the only reasonable objective to complete is the total WSs one but people AFK near the Behemoth or stand there autoattacking so it's impossible to hit the WS count. You have 60s for the objective and you can do a WS every 6s so if someone is AFK or just autoattacking you CANNOT hit the target.

[Lithera]

On this one in Gustaberg the total WS objective has been sitting at 130...we've been managing 50 WSs out of 130 on a GOOD attempt...it's rediculous.

[Kenshi]

Worst Event in the 13 years of FFXI.

[Skyrant_Kangaroomouse]

Either we have not figured out how to do this or SE are massive trolls. This event was doomed from the start because 90% of the population does not even know what Skillchains are any more. You ruined that a long time ago SE, stop cramming it down our throats now with every patch!

On that note, don't make events where you need people to work together when you made the game completely solo-able easy mode in the last couple of years. The ADD mobile generation does not read, does not group and surely does not understand complex Skillchains.

1. The total number of WS is a troll objective. Impossible to do no matter how many people as it scales and even if everyone spams, no afk, 60sec is not enough.
2. The X random WS is a troll objective. Impossible to do even if just 2 people try it because of the timing and NPC spamming to mess it up.
3. The X specific WS is a troll objective too. Never seen anyone make it for same reasons as #2.

In fact, i have not seen a single one succeed except due to incredible lucky random WS chains. The 3 Behemoth on Asura are up for 8h now and sitting at 49 and 29%. People just afk now hoping for some miracle win.

Good job SE.

[Lithera]

The total WS objective is easy if no one is AFK. You have 60s and it only takes 6s to WS. Depending on timing you can actually fit 11 WSs into the 60s...Ive completed this objective a few times. The specific objective can be a pain because of the NPCs but the total SCs one works fine as long as there isn't 20+ people there just spamming. A SAM can solo both the SC ones even when the number is up at 8-9. The problem is getting everyone else to stop spamming.

[Skyrant_Kangaroomouse]

I saw a few SAM try after we got everyone to stop spamming. Not going to happen. Konzen works but self skill-chaining never worked. Maybe our Behemoths are bugged but i doubt it.

[Lithera]

SAM here only failed to do the 7 Indurations because some dummy was still spamming Sunburst thorugh the entire objective.

[Morovich]

I'd like to team up with others on Asura for the event if any want too.

[Crica]

no point in teaming up since there are AFK ppl and bots at every behemoth just spamming weapon skills whenever - cant be done unless you rely totally on luck (which could take the entire event) or they stop afking/botting

[Return1]

Having the behemoth do thunderbolt once every 3minutes or something to eject the AFK people would be totally cool

[Crica]

the thunderbolt also causes the moogle buff to expire on legitly participating players, making it so all your heroism buffs that you have accumulated to disappear as well

[Lithera]

Thunderbolt doesn't reset your Heroism...I've been hit with it enough to know that much.

[Lithera]

OMG the population at this Behemoth just tripled in a matter of 10 minutes...just when I thought we might be able to finally clear an objective..

[Hoshi]

This event seems impossible. We have to do 130 ws in 1 min and we can barely get past 40, which tells you how many people are afk there! Furthermore when it's time to do the skillchains, we're lucky if we get 1/14. I've been doing this event for over an hour now and I have yet to get a single objective cleared, and you need 10 for the trust! What on earth?!

[Lithera]

Yah even when you get people to hold WSs so you can kit the SCs there's always the one jerk who keeps spamming random WSs. We nearly cleared one not long ago. Was just a bunch of us BLUs chaining CdC for Light but another BLU was being a jerk and spamming Seraph Blade the whole time. We got 3/5 with that dummy breaking at least 3 Light SCs with Seraph.

[Morovich]

All this for a Trust, sigh at least they should of made it 2-3 min instead of 1.

[Fynlar]

Time limit should be removed
The objectives should not scale up with more people, or at least not scale up nearly as much. The ones that need skillchains are actually harder to do the more people that show up...

Fun event in theory, but rather poor execution. All it takes right now is a few people AFKing inside the event circle or one person interrupting SCs (intentionally or not) to make it unwinnable for everyone, which is obviously poor design.

[Kyuichichi]

There are few npcs around the behemoth(staff, h2h, great katana, the goblin). My theory is that you have to skillchain with them, not with other pcs. When you complete a objective the behemoth become vulnerable and it can be damaged for a 10% of his life.Complete 10 objectives and you become Heroic, after that kill the behemoth, talk to moogle and you'll get a Vanadiel clock and the kupofried trust(+10% exp and cp).

[Morovich]

sadly the afk'ers make the objectives at least the Ws impossible to complete.

[Hoshi]

Yeah, been at this for over 3 hours now and we've completed an objective once. I'd really like to do this event but it seems impossible. T.T

[Return1]

Somebody needs to get worked up enough to puke, like that stupid PW story that got SE to finally change PW and AV.

It's been over three hours since the last thunderbolt.

[Hoshi]

I'm throwing in the towel at 4 hours. Please please please fix this event so that there's less of a penalty for afk people and groups of people larger than an alliance can work together without sabotaging each other.

[Return1]

One down and it took over 8 hours due to leeches.

[Skyrant_Kangaroomouse]

People are doing their WS trials on Asura. It's impossible to do this event now. They openly admit they don't give a rats ass about the event and disrupt it by botting the WS trials. SE fix this mess you made!

[Psion]

I posted this on BG forums, but I found a way to win this despite the AFKers. 200 weaponskills is the max for that objective, so here's what you do:

Pick an area you want to fight in. go to the other two nations behemoths, and say/shout to everyone there to go to the behemoth of your choice. explain why (that 200 ws is the max amount for the objective), and have them all go there.

enjoy your slow but steady win as a massive influx of active players spam ws on said Mr. Cuddles and everyone goes home happy.

Happy Hunting!~

[Crica]

asking ppl to go to a different behemoth is not going to work when everyone at a behemoth is afking, but ty for the suggestion

[Psion]

uh, that's the thing. not everyone is afking. if they were all afking, there wouldn't be any trouble skillchaining with the npcs, now, would there? often times there's around 7-12 active people who will listen to you, and with two nations worth plus those at the behemoth you're aiming for, it's more than enough to win.

Trust me. I tried this, and it worked like a charm. got thanked for it as well, since some people have been there for most of the day trying to win, lol.

[Crica]

if they were all afking, there wouldn't be any trouble skillchaining with the npcs, now, would there? yes there would, since ppl just spam WS mindlessly, i watched for over an hour and even asked everyone why they were doing it, no answer at all was given, but the mindless WSing continued regardless

[Fawkes]

This is awful. :(

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

I see this happening a lot in the game last past couple couple of years, like when blu's are attempting to complete their Solo SC's in capacity parties, skirmishes, etc. while people with there characters are just spamming their weapon skills to do there dmg real quickly and it does irk me a lot of times when I can't complete my Solo Blu SC's after activating the job ability Chain Infinity to do the chaining, it feels like most have forgotten what it means to SC and what WS's really are in comparison and how to know what's the difference between the two specially with new players that join the game over the years after the ws'ing into sc'ing charts started to in way disappear in keeping up with the times to even past newly added weapon skills that were found to combine with another to form a skill chain.

I miss the days of the renkei charts you found online recordingly well written out on displaying a chart with its elemental pictures behind it with the appropriate weapon skill and categorized with arrow's displaying in between the direction from one weapon skill on to the next needed weapon skill to form that particular type of skillchain weather it was listed or rather the chart was shown it to do Induration, Compaction, Detonation, etc on the chart that really helped people out in the good old exp party many area's per level days as it faded with time that went on.

I know SE has only one npc at least in the game that at one point deployed only one skillchain and the type of skillchain that it made to a Q & A npc but what if SE made a full ws-sc chart for all in game, I'm sure it's been mentioned before so this where I'll end the discussion for now. :cool:

[Traxus]

Great event, I couldn't complete a single objective in any zone due to dumb and afk players. I will remember this as the pinnacle of my FFXI experience alongside fish ranking.

[Hoshi]

I did finally finish this event. The ws objective caps at 200 so just get at least 21 non afk people to come spam ws and should be able to clear it. It was a bit more painful than some events but actually better than the Valentione's event from 2015. Shout in town to get people if you have to. Also you can unlock weapon skills on this guy so stick around and help out while unlocking weapons after you finish!

[Bearstar]

I was able to get my prizes, but other people have had Hero status for hours now and no prizes.

[Morovich]

Still the same old gameplay. no one wants to team up for the SC.

[Tidis]

I completed it yesterday, while annoying, I don't think it was as bad as the Moogle vs Goblin event.

[Morovich]

Just completed the event, Got the Vana clock, which imo looks cool and Kupofried. Huge thanks to Frankenbob, Roruoni & Electrophobia for the help and staying till we all got it. Much easier when players work together on the objectives and the afk'ers get disqualified lol

[Castanica]

In a week nobody will be doing it at all, wait till then?

[Cabalabob]

Finally beat this event! Just had to go at 5am when no one was around! @_@

Truly marvellous design for an MMO where you're better off with less people.

[Isal]

Started it and completed it today. Was great when it was just me and an LSmate, then naturally slowed down when a few more showed up and just started WSing and "hoping for the best". Thankfully that "Spam your WS's as fast as you can" goal ended up being a sort of mercy-pass each time it came around.

[Camate]

Greetings,

During the emergency maintenance (http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news24088.shtml) that is currently underway, we will be making adjustments to the difficulty of the Behemoth event. Apologies for any inconveniences you experienced while trying to complete the event.

[Zeargi]

Greetings,

During the emergency maintenance (http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news24088.shtml) that is currently underway, we will be making adjustments to the difficulty of the Behemoth event. Apologies for any inconveniences you experienced while trying to complete the event.

I think I'm gonna miss you the most when this game does eventually end... Can we get a Camate Trust before then?

[Camate]

I think I'm gonna miss you the most when this game does eventually end... Can we get a Camate Trust before then?

Well, I'm part of the 13th anniversary event! And you all have been trying to beat me up for my suit. :(

[Seyrr]

Well, I'm part of the 13th anniversary event! And you all have been trying to beat me up for my suit. :(

Hey, we GOT the suit already. Now we're just beating you up so this really cool Moogle will hang around with us. It's like when you have to beat up one of the other kids on the playground so that the cool kids will let you hang out with them. Well, they're hanging out and you're allowed to be there. But that's totally the same thing, right? Right?

Livin' the dream~

[BobbinT]

not sure with the problem here. Done the event today about 1 hour, already got my kupofried minion and moved on. lol

[larrymc]

Well, I'm part of the 13th anniversary event! And you all have been trying to beat me up for my suit. :(

You can't fool us, we will always remember the original moogle Camate.

[Raydeus]

Well, I'm part of the 13th anniversary event! And you all have been trying to beat me up for my suit. :(

You'll be glad to hear I beat you before the adjustment, twice. =D

[Kraggy]

Greetings,

During the emergency maintenance (http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news24088.shtml) that is currently underway, we will be making adjustments to the difficulty of the Behemoth event. Apologies for any inconveniences you experienced while trying to complete the event.
Not at all having a go at you Camate, you're clearly only the messenger, but this is simply the latest in a continuing line of example of SE's developers' total disconnect from the realities of the playerbase over the last several years .. expecting 'team work' in an open-world event is simply ludicrous, even FFXIV's devs. realised this when they implemented open-world stuff in that game, mostly.

In all MMOs now open-world events can be nothing more than DPS zergs, and entirely NOT GROUP BASED, otherwise it'll simply be one big FAIL; sad to those who enjoyed the 1990s group-or-die content that FFXI copied in the early years, but the reality in 2015 is that type of game is pretty much dead, stop trying to resurrect it.

[bungiefanNA]

My issue is that there are so many weaponskills, and the elements on them aren't obvious, that it's impossible to memorize the skillchain chart. I've still never had it explained in a way that makes sense, why skillchains work the way they do, and the names of most of the skillchain effects don't convey what element they are. I've been in the game since 2002, and I know you have to do moves in a certain order, with a delay inbetween, but as for why the system actually works how it does, it makes no sense. The icons for WS in the menu don't seem to have any color coding based on how they chain, and the visual effects also don't give indication. The holiday event for picking the moves the NPCs use was frustrating when the moogle is scolding me to remember my elements, when I have no idea what element any of those moves are in the first place.

I have to rely on an external web site to tell me what skillchains are formed by what skills, and if time is of the essence I can't get it done in time. I've played a mage all my time, so I can magic burst, but forming a skillchain is something I haven't been called on to do.

Skillchains are like American Football to me. Nobody has ever been able to give me an understandable explanation of the rules so that I can follow why people are doing the things they are doing, so watching or playing is boring. George Carlin and Andy Griffith also failed in that explanation.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

My issue is that there are so many weaponskills, and the elements on them aren't obvious, that it's impossible to memorize the skillchain chart. I've still never had it explained in a way that makes sense, why skillchains work the way they do, and the names of most of the skillchain effects don't convey what element they are. I've been in the game since 2002, and I know you have to do moves in a certain order, with a delay inbetween, but as for why the system actually works how it does, it makes no sense. The icons for WS in the menu don't seem to have any color coding based on how they chain, and the visual effects also don't give indication. The holiday event for picking the moves the NPCs use was frustrating when the moogle is scolding me to remember my elements, when I have no idea what element any of those moves are in the first place.

I have to rely on an external web site to tell me what skillchains are formed by what skills, and if time is of the essence I can't get it done in time. I've played a mage all my time, so I can magic burst, but forming a skillchain is something I haven't been called on to do.

Skillchains are like American Football to me. Nobody has ever been able to give me an understandable explanation of the rules so that I can follow why people are doing the things they are doing, so watching or playing is boring. George Carlin and Andy Griffith also failed in that explanation.

I know what you mean and I always had a printed out page of Adens chart's for ffxi that he used to make for all the years i've played and not sure if it's still functioning but I'll lead you to the website that still exists for downloading it as afar as I can tell. Go Here For Website (http://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/adens-renkei-chart/), ;-) hope it does give you additional help! :cool:

[bungiefanNA]

I know how to read the chart, but the chart doesn't explain WHY it works. Notice I said I have to rely on an external web site for the information, I meant that chart and various other versions of it. Following the chart blindly gives me no insight into how to do things without the chart, so I can figure out skillchains on my own. Reading the chart during a time-limited event is also very difficult with just how many weaponskills there are on it. What I'm asking is for a simple explanation of why the chart works, and how the information on it was found out. As far as I can see right now, it was trial-and-error, and that's a poor solution when the event instructs you to "remember your elements" when there is no in-game element indicator.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

I know how to read the chart, but the chart doesn't explain WHY it works. Notice I said I have to rely on an external web site for the information, I meant that chart and various other versions of it. Following the chart blindly gives me no insight into how to do things without the chart, so I can figure out skillchains on my own. Reading the chart during a time-limited event is also very difficult with just how many weaponskills there are on it. What I'm asking is for a simple explanation of why the chart works, and how the information on it was found out. As far as I can see right now, it was trial-and-error, and that's a poor solution when the event instructs you to "remember your elements" when there is no in-game element indicator.

Yeah true!! ;-) It only shows graphics in the game to each one done but it also states the combination element types in the text chat logs as it tend to go on flying by to fast to notice it but only after its completed it. Don't think i'm disagreeing with you, just adding to it hopefully! (-:
I know what you mean for the elements of the weapon skill itself and Yes, thats the direction i'm believing you're heading down in which I know it doesn't state the element being done upon that one ws you just used into figuring them out in the game but it's only adjusted in the colors of the graphic effect to each one but even they can be off to knowing for sure if it is actually that element or not in the color of the graphical effect that's been shown after said used weapon skill.

Maybe they could add big fat text pop up like they did for a new roe quests objective has begun lol showing what you seek... anywho.. don't know if it would be this detailed to show you in advance inside the game before you make a move into the ws's or the combination of elements to be one element type of an sc but sure would be nice. Yes no explanation but I kind of bet there way of an explanation in game would be an add to a Q & A npc already in the game.

You do realize most things discovered in rl to being a fact have come from trial and error right?? {Notice I didn't say all things in life are...} (RL = Real Life)

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

Well, I'm part of the 13th anniversary event! And you all have been trying to beat me up for my suit. :(

The npcs sc'ing at the event are hard to be in sync with sometimes for the folks doing the event..but other then that...

Well all good things must come from trial and error, miss and hit but you'll get better over time with fine tuned idea's for even more of an better presented event from knowledge of a past event/commented events, at least your bringing players back together to get reacquainted and more knowledgeable about weapon skills, weapons skills into skillchains as an achievement from this event Camate. Another thing is more people now want to be more in tune with them to be able to those very things even better to accomplish them really well, Camate. ;) :cool: