If they were to cap Abyssea to 75+...

[Juri_Licious]

Before I say my question just know I don't like how Abyssea is ruining a whole lot of the game and that's my standpoint on it.

Anyways, here's my question.

If Abyssea was capped to 75+, how would they make it fair to all the players who didn't get a chance to get EXP the super crazy easy way like players before such a cap (if it happened) happened?

To be honest, everyone who has Abyssea probably has a ton of there jobs already up by now and I don't think there's a way to fix that. So a bunch of the players who haven't done Abyssea like that in the lower levels are SOL.

Solutions?

*EDIT*

Just for the record, this thread isn't about if they are going to add a 75 cap. This is IF they did add the cap, how would it be fair to NEWER players who never had a taste of Abyssea below 75.

None of you guys read my post at all.

So once again let me state that the question is.

"HOW WOULD IT BE FAIR TO NEWER NON ABYSSEA PLAYERS IF THEY GOT ABYSSEA IF THEY DID IMPLEMENT SUCH A CAP"

[Elexia]

You'd just...exp the normal way for the past 7 years?

[Karbuncle]

Raising the Cap to 75+ has always been, and will remain a stupid Idea.

Giving us the Option to do Old Fashioned Exp, Or to Abyssea exp was the right choice by SE. I personally have still been invited to Colibri parties, Dunes Parties, Even a Qufim Party. They exist at least on Asura. I like being able to CHOSE where i want to exp, and that will always be the better option. I got a Maat's cap back when the hottest exp spot was MMM, Not a single one got Abyssea burned, and i can safely say I really don't care how other people play the game. If they want to exp the old way, They can. If they want to exp in Abyssea, Let them. Its their choice.

They gave us the Choice, it should stay that way. Taking our choices simply because some people do not agree with our choice is a bad solution, Which is exactly why SE has not done anything about it. I think they're going to keep the Minimum 30, And give everyone the option to make their own choices on how to exp.

This thread is going to inevitably degrade into a bitch-fest between the people for abyssea, and against abyssea again...

[Mylynx]

I'd like them to do that, though there are still partys going on its next to impossible to find partys in places 55+ cause all the old players just go to aby and skip all the other work...I see it as cheating being a new player, i dont see the game as fun as it was when my cousin played. Aby kills the fun of the game faster

[Kazen]

This thread is beginning to look a lot familiar
Ev'rywhere you go;
Take a look around and glance once again
With opinions stated as fact aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot familiar
Opinions told as fact in ev'ry thread
But the prettiest sight to see is the abyssea that will be
On your own FFXI.

A pair of AF3 boots and a Armageddon that shoots
Is the wish of everyone;
Gimps that will talk and will hopefully go for a walk
Is the hope of everyone;
And BlueGartr can hardly wait for flamewars to start again.
It's beginning to look a lot like opinions stated as fact
Ev'rywhere you go;
There's a tree in the Sanctuary of Zi'Tah, one in the ToAU as well,
The sturdy kind that doesn't mind the gimps.
It's beginning to look a lot like opinions stated as fact;
Soon the flamewars will start,
And the thing that will make them troll is the gimpness that you spew
Right within your heart.

[Juri_Licious]

This thread is beginning to look a lot familiar
Ev'rywhere you go;
Take a look around and glance once again
With opinions stated as fact aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot familiar
Opinions told as fact in ev'ry thread
But the prettiest sight to see is the abyssea that will be
On your own FFXI.

A pair of AF3 boots and a Armageddon that shoots
Is the wish of everyone;
Gimps that will talk and will hopefully go for a walk
Is the hope of everyone;
And BlueGartr can hardly wait for flamewars to start again.
It's beginning to look a lot like opinions stated as fact
Ev'rywhere you go;
There's a tree in the Sanctuary of Zi'Tah, one in the ToAU as well,
The sturdy kind that doesn't mind the gimps.
It's beginning to look a lot like opinions stated as fact;
Soon the flamewars will start,
And the thing that will make them troll is the gimpness that you spew
Right within your heart.

Trying too hard.

for future comments, how about actually reading what I post?
It's a SIMPLE question. I asked this question in a previous thread and no one answered it, so this is why I made the thread.

[Greatguardian]

Well, the thread IS basically "What if they implemented a controversial game adjustment that they've shown absolutely no hint of even wanting to work on? Wouldn't it be unfair to some people?"

The short answer is: Yes. It would. And they probably won't do it so it's a moot point.

[Kazen]

I don't exactly remember directing that comment at you. Maybe for future comments you should actually read posts slow enough so you can comprehend what is being said. I said "This thread is beginning to look a lot familiar" in that it will soon be off topic and thus be familiar. I think I'll use your words, "trying too hard" to discredit the posts of someone else. It's my opinion that this thread will soon go in the same direction as the others; I've learned from these forums that opinions can be stated as fact so, as such, this is my opinion.

♪ It's beginning to look a lot familiar ♪

[Kagato]

Leveling is more than twice as fast as before outside of abyssea, so if they raised the level restriction, people would just complain for a while and then find themselves ready to enter abyssea after 2 weeks of normal play outside abyssea. So to answer your question, they wouldn't have to do anything. People just level up and be at level 75 after 2 weeks.

[Alkalinehoe]

I'd like them to do that, though there are still partys going on its next to impossible to find partys in places 55+ cause all the old players just go to aby and skip all the other work...I see it as cheating being a new player, i dont see the game as fun as it was when my cousin played. Aby kills the fun of the game faster
Just because you can't exp your own way doesn't mean you should force others to.

[Ravenmore]

Wouldn't change much it would take 3 days to hit 75, and they will all still be gimped in weapon skill and magic skill. Level sync 20 and 37 with the odd 55. With everything most of the player base sees as the most fun happens post 75. Been said before most of the players 11 has have taken many jobs to 75 before the add-ons most don't see lvling as fun anymore. The grind and needing help(before all the changes) to do anything is what every single review of FF11 points to why not to play it. With WoW having over 6 mil players which is the better profit model.

[Kazen]

It's beginning to look a lot familiar man.

[RaenRyong]

someone make a "if they were to cap Abyssea to 1..." thread and the circle is complete.

[Karbuncle]

Told ya Sooooooooooo~

[Fiarlia]

In before the lock/bitch fest/Krystal.

[Mylynx]

Just because you can't exp your own way doesn't mean you should force others to.

Haha coming from someone who has all his jobs leveled cause of the decent and frequent party invites + aby your opinion inst valid...A brand new person leveling with a vetern in the same party and im 3lvls above only to come back on the next day to see him at lvl 79 cause of a aby burn is bullshit and they can do that cause theyve been playing for YEARS and all skills capped and also he didnt even know about SA its bullshit

[Alhanelem]

Before I say my question just know I don't like how Abyssea is ruining a whole lot of the game and that's my standpoint on it.That's purely an opinion, not a fact. And it certainly isn't the low level requirement that's ruining the game, if any part of it is. for the 400th time, this is a minor issue that is completely within the control of the players. If you don't like people being able to enter at a low level, then don't let these people in your group. If you're in a group that's allowing this, show them that you don't like it by leaving, or by telling the leader they should remove those people. Bam! You're playing with people you like and the way you like, while other people can play with the people they like and play the way they like.

And this is coming from someone who DIDN'T level jobs from 30 to 90 in abysssea. But I sure did level the subs that I have no intention of playing as mains there, and I don't think I should lose that privilege just because someone thinks it's "ruining" the game.

Now really. Why are we starting this up again? It's just going to the same place the last million-post-long thread went. And that place is nowhere.

[Alkalinehoe]

Haha coming from someone who has all his jobs leveled cause of the decent and frequent party invites + aby your opinion inst valid...A brand new person leveling with a vetern in the same party and im 3lvls above only to come back on the next day to see him at lvl 79 cause of a aby burn is bullshit and they can do that cause theyve been playing for YEARS and all skills capped and also he didnt even know about SA its bullshit
? Lol, how do I have all my jobs leveled from Abyssea? I took BRD/RNG/DRK to 75 before Abyssea came out. Jobs I have leeched are BLU/DNC/WHM.

Who cares if someone can take a job from 30 to 79 in a day? Are you really that much of a sadist to make people EXP for potentially months outside just so they can experience the same mind numbing boredom you went through? Capping skills is a joke now and with Level Sync they most likely weren't going to have skills capped anyways. Not to mention you don't really learn a whole lot going from 30-->90.

[hakrev]

capping abyssea so high would make no sense. Personally if i read an announcement where they said that, i would raise up all the rest of my jobs to 75 in a few days and then work on them as i wanted to. You can cap all of your jobs in a few weeks so that would only hurt the newer players even more. I understand where ur coming from on this one, outside of abyssea is dead. ToAU is dead, WoTG is dead, CoP is dead, RoZ is dead (not that the gear is dead, but the difficulty of it all is dead and it's not as useful as it once was). I loved all of that content and the wonderful storylines they had, I kind of wish abyssea had a storyline, but as it is it's more of just going to different dimension to fight monsters for some vague reason that I really couldn't care less about, however, i must admit i am having fun with abyssea.

I kind of wish they would release more jobs and a new high level storyline and high level city or something to explore, but exploring new areas and stuff has always held a special interest to me ever since i was a wee little valkurm dunes newb that happened to board a certain ferry that got attacked by pirates, only to be sent back to my hp in ssandy cuz i couldn't pay 10k for a raise (yes they charged for raises back then). Personally i'd have to say that ToAU was my favorite expansion, it was well thought out, deeply interesting, and was probably the most highly anticipated expansion that the game ever had. WoTG was great, but honestly nowhere near the callibur of ToAU. I still keep wondering about the mithra homeland to the south, the gigas homeland to the north, the far east where phoenix comes from, and the tribal land to the west of the main continents. There's alot of unexplored content in the game that could literally take a decade of expansions to unveil, so much so i don't even know why we needed a new game, but that's a whole other topic. The fact is that the old content was great, but it was great in it's own time, and new adventurers just aren't going to ever experience it the same way. It's time to have new adventures with new people (personally i'm meeting all kinda of cool people as abyssea is an extremely social event, something that WoTG was not...it was kind of cold, distant and noone worked together and many elitists were born...ugh).

I know that abyssea can seem like it overshadows old content, but i know alot of people that are finally able to explore those old areas, and once the leveling craze has ended and we are all lvl 99, i'm sure SE will have some truly epic endgame events to sink our teeth into. I think it was a smart move to increase the level cap and to allow people to enter in @ lvl 30, it ensures that newcomers can get on an even footing as some of the veteran players that have been playing for more years then they can count on one hand, the game needed to be more new player friendly and i'm glad it's finally able to atract hordes of newcomers to delight in the epic adventure that is FFXI; i've had tons of friends quit over the years because it was just too hard to catch up (i don't think they understood the fact that it wasn't about catching up, it's about going on your own adventure and finding like-minded adventurers to help along the way). But now those same friends that quit are coming back and finding that they too can achieve high lvl and fight alongside their seasoned friends. It gives us old adventurers some new people to teach and I for one am really enjoy it :) i just feel sad that the new people aren't really getting the whole adventure and the struggle with comrades against unimaginable odds that I was lucky enough to experience in my own adventure, but i'm hoping that new high lvl content (90+) will provide us that challenge once again ^^

[Juri_Licious]

Just for the record, this thread isn't about if they are going to add a 75 cap. This is IF they did add the cap, how would it be fair to NEWER players who never had a taste of Abyssea below 75.

None of you guys read my post at all.

So once again let me state that the question is.

"HOW WOULD IT BE FAIR TO NEWER NON ABYSSEA PLAYERS IF THEY GOT ABYSSEA IF THEY DID IMPLEMENT SUCH A CAP"

[Mylynx]

? Lol, how do I have all my jobs leveled from Abyssea? I took BRD/RNG/DRK to 75 before Abyssea came out. Jobs I have leeched are BLU/DNC/WHM.

Who cares if someone can take a job from 30 to 79 in a day? Are you really that much of a sadist to make people EXP for potentially months outside just so they can experience the same mind numbing boredom you went through? Capping skills is a joke now and with Level Sync they most likely weren't going to have skills capped anyways. Not to mention you don't really learn a whole lot going from 30-->90.

Do you know how to read? i never singled out you leveling jobs from abyssea i said and i quote "coming from someone who has all his jobs leveled cause of the decent and frequent party invites + aby" and another reason you cant read is because in my 1st post i stated i was a new player so this "Are you really that much of a sadist to make people EXP for potentially months outside just so they can experience the same mind numbing boredom you went through" makes no sense...

[Detoxy]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH same song differnt story move along people

[Alkalinehoe]

Do you know how to read? i never singled out you leveling jobs from abyssea i said and i quote "coming from someone who has all his jobs leveled cause of the decent and frequent party invites + aby" and another reason you cant read is because in my 1st post i stated i was a new player so this "Are you really that much of a sadist to make people EXP for potentially months outside just so they can experience the same mind numbing boredom you went through" makes no sense...
In my defense, your post has horrible grammer/sentence structure. Perhaps you should work on your spelling and punctuation and maybe more people will understand you. Your post didn't make much sense to begin with, other than calling me a leech and saying I get fast invites (lol I can tell you I did not get fast invites on DRK)

[Mylynx]

Just for the record, this thread isn't about if they are going to add a 75 cap. This is IF they did add the cap, how would it be fair to NEWER players who never had a taste of Abyssea below 75.

None of you guys read my post at all.

So once again let me state that the question is.

"HOW WOULD IT BE FAIR TO NEWER NON ABYSSEA PLAYERS IF THEY GOT ABYSSEA IF THEY DID IMPLEMENT SUCH A CAP"

Sorry i understood your question perfect, i just rather a cap go and so we can all level together more party invites so we dont have wait around all day waiting for one...sure i can go to aby but then all the ppl who know how to play their jobs and are trying to do end game stuff then have those idiots who dont know what there doing cause they skipped from 30-90 messing up, which would cause another problem...

[Mylynx]

In my defense, your post has horrible grammer/sentence structure. Perhaps you should work on your spelling and punctuation and maybe more people will understand you. Your post didn't make much sense to begin with, other than calling me a leech and saying I get fast invites (lol I can tell you I did not get fast invites on DRK)

In your defense lol dude all you needed to see " me being a new player " if your able to reply to something that means you understood it...

[Juri_Licious]

Sorry i understood your question perfect, i just rather a cap go and so we can all level together more party invites so we dont have wait around all day waiting for one...sure i can go to aby but then all the ppl who know how to play their jobs and are trying to do end game stuff then have those idiots who dont know what there doing cause they skipped from 30-90 messing up, which would cause another problem...
Thank you for reading my post. ^_^

[Kazen]

♪ It's beginning to look a lot familiar ♪

People enforcing their unpopular play style on others.

[Alkalinehoe]

In your defense lol dude all you needed to see " me being a new player " if your able to reply to something that means you understood it...
Apart from the fact that the phrase you quoted never appeared in your original statement.

[Greatguardian]

Just for the record, this thread isn't about if they are going to add a 75 cap. This is IF they did add the cap, how would it be fair to NEWER players who never had a taste of Abyssea below 75.

None of you guys read my post at all.

So once again let me state that the question is.

"HOW WOULD IT BE FAIR TO NEWER NON ABYSSEA PLAYERS IF THEY GOT ABYSSEA IF THEY DID IMPLEMENT SUCH A CAP"

I read your OP just fine, and responded to it in my post. I could go and make a thread about stuff that's not going to happen, too. "If they were to raise the minimum required level for accessing Extra Jobs to 40+..." It would make about as much sense, have about as much backing from the Development and Community Teams, and has about as much potential as an idea for mass support.

What about "If they were to give PUP Asuran Fists..." ?

"If they were to give RDM Hastega..."

"If they were to give WHM Meteor..."

"If they were to remove Gil from the game..."

"If they were to remove the Auction House and give us Retainers..."

[Mylynx]

Apart from the fact that the phrase you quoted never appeared in your original statement.

SORRY i added one word...God forbid, you're just making excuses now

[Kuishen]

Sorry i understood your question perfect, i just rather a cap go and so we can all level together more party invites so we dont have wait around all day waiting for one...sure i can go to aby but then all the ppl who know how to play their jobs and are trying to do end game stuff then have those idiots who dont know what there doing cause they skipped from 30-90 messing up, which would cause another problem...

Jesus christ....

How are people so dense?

[Alkalinehoe]

I read your OP just fine, and responded to it in my post. I could go and make a thread about stuff that's not going to happen, too. "If they were to raise the minimum required level for accessing Extra Jobs to 40+..." It would make about as much sense, have about as much backing from the Development and Community Teams, and has about as much potential as an idea for mass support.

What about "If they were to give PUP Asuran Fists..." ?

"If they were to give RDM Hastega..."

"If they were to give WHM Meteor..."

"If they were to remove Gil from the game..."

"If they were to remove the Auction House and give us Retainers..."
Pretty much this.

Not much point in talking about what if scenarios.

[Alkalinehoe]

SORRY i added one word...God forbid, you're just making excuses now
None of that phase was in your post. Just admit your post was downright stupid.

[Mylynx]

Jesus christ....

How are people so dense?

Dude relax, im only like 2weeks into the game. I'm sorry that i haven't been playing earlier so i know everything like you...Jesus christ

[Mylynx]

None of that phase was in your post. Just admit your post was downright stupid.

you still cant read bro...im gonna stop replying until you can

[Alkalinehoe]

you still cant read bro...im gonna stop replying until you can
You still can't spell.

[Fiarlia]

Dude relax, im only like 2weeks into the game. I'm sorry that i haven't been playing earlier so i know everything like you...Jesus christ

What is this I don't even...

[Mylynx]

You still can't spell.

Excuses lol but seriously we need to stop, we look like total idiots arguing over the internet

[Alkalinehoe]

Excuses lol but seriously we need to stop, we look like total idiots arguing over the internet
Excuses, excuses.

[Meyi]

This topic is stupid.

People are being stupid.

:/ Grow up. It's a game. You have lots of control over how you play now. Play with people who key leech, don't play with people who key leech. Go out and take several months to XP if it makes you feel better about yourself. Drag other people along with your same mentality.

Case in point, there are many options available in FFXI now. Let's enjoy the diversity that has never existed prior. Rather than crying about it and declaring that any of them should be removed from the game, let's branch off into our own groups and get along peacefully.

[Mylynx]

What is this I don't even...

LOL >< i just reread it and i agree i missed some words

[Mylynx]

This topic is stupid.

People are being stupid.

:/ Grow up. It's a game. You have lots of control over how you play now. Play with people who key leech, don't play with people who key leech. Go out and take several months to XP if it makes you feel better about yourself. Drag other people along with your same mentality.

I'm just saying the game was more fun before Abyssea. Also i like to add people looked down on Astral burns but Abyssea burn is no different.

[Mylynx]

This topic is stupid.

People are being stupid.

:/ Grow up. It's a game. You have lots of control over how you play now. Play with people who key leech, don't play with people who key leech. Go out and take several months to XP if it makes you feel better about yourself. Drag other people along with your same mentality.

Case in point, there are many options available in FFXI now. Let's enjoy the diversity that has never existed prior. Rather than crying about it and declaring that any of them should be removed from the game, let's branch off into our own groups and get along peacefully.

I'm a 58THF/29NIN clearly im enjoying the game but it would be more fun if party invites came more frequent.

[Kazen]

I'm just saying the game was more fun before Abyssea. Also i like to add people looked down on Astral burns but Abyssea burn is no different.

This is called an opinion, stop using opinions in a form that implies that they are a fact. I started this game when it came out and I find Abyssea to be the most fun option this game has had in an extremely long time(which is my opinion, see what I did there).

We get it, you think the old way was more fun and that's all good, however, this is the opinion of the minority and no matter how much you wish the game would go back to its roots FFXI has passed that stage in its life cycle. I'm sorry, you missed the boat and it was a one way trip.

[Fiarlia]

LOL >< i just reread it and i agree i missed some words

The Point.



You are here.


I'm just saying the game was more fun before Abyssea. Also i like to add people looked down on Astral burns but Abyssea burn is no different.

How would you know, you've only been playing for two weeks.

[Mylynx]

The Point.



You are here.



How would you know, you've only been playing for two weeks.

Easy to answer, i stated earlier that my cousin played the game^^ me and my cousin are very close so i was able to play his character, i wasnt good cause i didnt know what i was doing but i had fun :D

[Fiarlia]

Really? You weren't good you say?

Too many ways to take that and run with. Can't decide.

[Mylynx]

Really? You weren't good you say?

Too many ways to take that and run with. Can't decide.

Well you could but that would leave open for me to call you ignorant, cause there are many ways someone can not be good. I was a Red mage that was attacking with my sword all the time and casting spells like Stone on Lizards in valkrum dunes, i thought stone would be best cause it took less mp. I wasn't kicked from parties and then i was a WAR/RDM with a Great sword and they said it was a stupid combination and WAR ain't suppose to use GS, but i had fun cause i got parties so fast probably only waited like 15min for a party...thats why it was fun for me i was able to always gain exp with parties and talk to people as i did

[Kuishen]

only waited like 15min for a party...

Bullshit.

1234567890

EDIT: Only happens if you're a BRD.

[Fiarlia]

Well you could but that would leave open for me to call you ignorant, cause there are many ways someone can not be good. I was a Red mage that was attacking with my sword all the time and casting spells like Stone on Lizards in valkrum dunes, i thought stone would be best cause it took less mp. I wasn't kicked from parties and then i was a WAR/RDM with a Great sword and they said it was a stupid combination and WAR ain't suppose to use GS, but i had fun cause i got parties so fast probably only waited like 15min for a party...thats why it was fun for me i was able to always gain exp with parties and talk to people as i did

See? I didn't even have to do it myself, you handled making fun of you for me. Fantastic, just fantastic.

[Mylynx]

Bullshit.

1234567890

EDIT: Only happens if you're a BRD.

I'm serious, theres nothing to gain from lying...

[Mylynx]

See? I didn't even have to do it myself, you handled making fun of you for me. Fantastic, just fantastic.

Why do you care how i had fun? if i enjoyed it why does that make you want to be negative towards me? jeez...

[Vold]

They should implement the Abyssea monster system into the rest of Vana'diel and do away with the old ways for good. This would put an end to the "3 level difference" rule of thumb and probably level sync, too. I'm not going to go into details at this hour but it would require some thought on how to go about it, and would require letting go of the old ways and having a minor inconvenience time from time as a soloer. Technically it could work, realistically SE won't do it. Pretty sure they'd say why not just let people leech and spare us the trouble. As a matter of fact I believe one of their japanese reps answered such a question on the japanese forums and it went along the lines of "we're cool with people leeching because it's a different game now." It was kind of hard to follow. Translation tools aren't great on the internet.

So yeah, we all might want to drop our day dreams of old exp PTs returning and invest that energy elsewhere. They just aren't going to suddenly change the entry level no matter how much some of us may whine for it. Stop letting other people and how they play bother you, and worry about yourself.

The only other way to go about it is for monsters to give 500+ exp as the standard. That would make leveling pretty fast outside of Abyssea but come on, that's just crazy. But so is Abyssea exp so why the heck not....? Be great for newbies and vets a like. Especially great for mages. Food for thought.



As for the inevitable ranting about 'oh great just what we need, the entire game modeled after abyssea' I will take this time to remind those people that the only way to fix the game to your point of view of what it should be, is to erase Abyssea and the level cap raise from the game. Basically a rollback to 1 year ago. That is never going to happen, so you need to adjust already, accept it's here to stay, and come up with ideas on how to better the game outside of Abyssea instead of doing nothing but moaning. SE isn't all knowing and they don't instantly know how to fix any and everything. With these forums and them seemingly glancing through our ideas firsthand and all in one place for a change, it is more important than ever to voice your ideas and concerns to aid them and speed the whole process up.

[Mylynx]

They should implement the Abyssea monster system into the rest of Vana'diel and do away with the old ways for good. This would put an end to the "3 level difference" rule of thumb and probably level sync, too. I'm not going to go into details at this hour but it would require some thought on how to go about it, and would require letting go of the old ways and having a minor inconvenience time from time as a soloer. Technically it could work, realistically SE won't do it. Pretty sure they'd say why not just let people leech and spare us the trouble. As a matter of fact I believe one of their japanese reps answered such a question on the japanese forums and it went along the lines of "we're cool with people leeching because it's a different game now." It was kind of hard to follow. Translation tools aren't great on the internet.

So yeah, we all might want to drop our day dreams of old exp PTs returning and invest that energy elsewhere. They just aren't going to suddenly change the entry level no matter how much some of us may whine for it. Stop letting other people and how they play bother you, and worry about yourself.

The only other way to go about it is for monsters to give 500+ exp as the standard. That would make leveling pretty fast outside of Abyssea but come on, that's just crazy. But so is Abyssea exp so why the heck not....? Be great for newbies and vets a like. Especially great for mages. Food for thought.



As for the inevitable ranting about 'oh great just what we need, the entire game modeled after abyssea' I will take this time to remind those people that the only way to fix the game to your point of view of what it should be, is to erase Abyssea and the level cap raise from the game. Basically a rollback to 1 year ago. That is never going to happen, so you need to adjust already, accept it's here to stay, and come up with ideas on how to better the game outside of Abyssea instead of doing nothing but moaning. SE isn't all knowing and they don't instantly know how to fix any and everything. With these forums and them seemingly glancing through our ideas firsthand and all in one place for a change, it is more important than ever to voice your ideas and concerns to aid them and speed the whole process up.

I know SE isn't gonna change it thats why i ain't making a big deal about it, i just merely said how i felt. People decide to put negative comments for w/e reason, they didn't have to but they did

[Rambus]

Before I say my question just know I don't like how Abyssea is ruining a whole lot of the game and that's my standpoint on it.

Anyways, here's my question.

If Abyssea was capped to 75+, how would they make it fair to all the players who didn't get a chance to get EXP the super crazy easy way like players before such a cap (if it happened) happened?

To be honest, everyone who has Abyssea probably has a ton of there jobs already up by now and I don't think there's a way to fix that. So a bunch of the players who haven't done Abyssea like that in the lower levels are SOL.

Solutions?

*EDIT*

You are not alone with this view.

the problem of chaning it to 75 stems to human Psychology. I remember reading about a test to show this with babies. what they did was gave the baby a toy and it was happpy. they gave it a bigger toy and it was happy. when they took the new toy away and gave it back the first one, even though it was happy before became unhappy.

same with this, it is hard for people to accpet a concept of being givin something then taken away.

I would of LOVED SE to make it 75+ to begin with and i BET you if we go back in time set it at 75 no one would give a damn, it would feel natural. I was VERY confused when people started saying ohh i can enter at 30 ill just key whore my self to 85 or w/e abyssea got well learned.

The economy is also too much in ruin to go back i think ( people will find it hard to get gear as you level)

the other problem is the AB burns people do, I will bet you if abyssea was made to 75 the grief there would be obnoxious.

I have no idea how to say change abyssea to 75 while adressing the other problems.

you would have to give people easier acess to level up gear. (maybe buy more gear from NPC at reasionble price)
you would have to nerf AB burns.

[Flunklesnarkin]

If your only concern is for viability of exp camps.. and abyssea being unfair to low level groups...

why not make a few "low level" camps inside abyssea...

mobs that scale 30~60ish in abyssea and dont give exp to higher level people maybe?

I think limiting game content isn't a good way to go at this point in the game. If anything restricting it would be more unfair.

Putting a few low level camps in would be a decent middle ground... people can stop q.qing about having to leech in camps....

and it would be more interesting than keying boxes for hours on end... (been there done that >_>)

[Tamoa]

I read your OP just fine, and responded to it in my post. I could go and make a thread about stuff that's not going to happen, too. "If they were to raise the minimum required level for accessing Extra Jobs to 40+..." It would make about as much sense, have about as much backing from the Development and Community Teams, and has about as much potential as an idea for mass support.

What about "If they were to give PUP Asuran Fists..." ?

"If they were to give RDM Hastega..."

"If they were to give WHM Meteor..."

"If they were to remove Gil from the game..."

"If they were to remove the Auction House and give us Retainers..."

This. ^

And I cannot believe the amount of people bitching and whining about abyssea one way or another. If you dislike it so much, find ways to avoid it, or quit the game. Abyssea is here to stay, and it's not likely that SE will change the level requirement to enter. Deal with it.

[Karbuncle]

This. ^

And I cannot believe the amount of people bitching and whining about abyssea one way or another. If you dislike it so much, find ways to avoid it, or quit the game. Abyssea is here to stay, and it's not likely that SE will change the level requirement to enter. Deal with it.

Exactly!

And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Mylynx]

This. ^

And I cannot believe the amount of people bitching and whining about abyssea one way or another. If you dislike it so much, find ways to avoid it, or quit the game. Abyssea is here to stay, and it's not likely that SE will change the level requirement to enter. Deal with it.

What i can't believe is that you can't believe the amount of people bitching and whining lol. When ever change happens people complain ALWAYS its normal human behavior, we all don't see eye to eye. We know SE said its not gonna change but we still have our views :/

[Kazen]

I guess even though things won't change and you acknowledge that... it still doesn't stop said views from appearing in a new thread every day. We get it, it's the views of a minority and that's fine, however, I'm sick of hearing it over and over and over and over and over again from the same small handful of people on this forum. Maybe SE should invest in making a venting sub-forum for all the these "views" that keep getting spewed into every topic even if it has nothing to do with the current topic at hand.

Before you get angry I'm not singling you out, I'm aware that you aren't guilty of what I mentioned above. However, wait until tomorrow morning/afternoon and we'll have the same small group of posters in every single thread explaining their wonderful views all over again in some sort of twisted FFXI anti-abyssea version of the movie "Groundhog's Day".

[Kingofgeeks]

hmm good question. I guess the players would be SOL just like when they nuked singing in campaign battles, bot fishing, and anyone who missed out on the ability to get a lot of exp in an SMN burn party

[Miiyo]

I'm just saying the game was more fun before Abyssea. Also i like to add people looked down on Astral burns but Abyssea burn is no different.
The game was not more fun before abyssea. It was highly outdated and people were SICK of the current endgame. Want proof? Go see the lack of people doing it. Is there a rule saying you can't do it? Nope. Are there more restrictions to the zone because of abyssea? Newp. So, all we're left with is people don't want to do it? Yup. People were dropping like flies from the game cause you can only do dyna, einherjar, sky, and sea for so long before you get sick of it. I'll agree. This topic is very stupid. Use your brainpower to suggest some better ideas. We've heard the same "Abyssea sucks" from multiple people. Abyssea only started sucking after you got most of what you wanted. There were very little complaints before then.

[Malamasala]

I think a good thing to be aware of is that if abyssea was capped 70+, I wouldn't level more new jobs, and everyone in their 40s wanting more party members wouldn't gain a single thing by the change. (From me, I'm sure some are still too devoted to leveling to care how they do it... but they'd probably astral burn)

[Alhanelem]

Taking bets on how many replies there will be to this thread:

Neither side is going to convince the other of anything.

[Mylynx]

The game was not more fun before abyssea. It was highly outdated and people were SICK of the current endgame. Want proof? Go see the lack of people doing it. Is there a rule saying you can't do it? Nope. Are there more restrictions to the zone because of abyssea? Newp. So, all we're left with is people don't want to do it? Yup. People were dropping like flies from the game cause you can only do dyna, einherjar, sky, and sea for so long before you get sick of it. I'll agree. This topic is very stupid. Use your brainpower to suggest some better ideas. We've heard the same "Abyssea sucks" from multiple people. Abyssea only started sucking after you got most of what you wanted. There were very little complaints before then.

1st of all this is my opinion which you can clearly see, and how did i almost get everthing? my highest job is 58...im a new player complaining how i had more fun with partying witch is the fun part to me before aby came out (cousin had the game)

[Elexia]

Certain people just won't accept someone can have differing opinions, especially about FFXI.

XI is a cesspool for new players, but it's heaven for long time players.

[Harukusan]

Skipped past all the rambling and nonsense that most threads tend to run into.

I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed being invited to good parties regularly in the old days because I made a good impression on people and displayed that I can perform my jobs well. This is the kind of sign and acknowledgement that kept me going well before abyssea and even level sync were introduced. I looked at it this way: if you couldn't get a party that was at least half decent, there's a good chance it was because there was something wrong with you. Whether you had no idea what you were doing, were poorly geared, or just had a bad attitude. Nowadays all this doesn't apply to anyone anymore. You can be awfully gimp and still weasel your way into abyssea to get a job to 90, and the odds someone will notice your lack of performance is greatly reduced. If you ask me, I'd say you all got your get out of jail free cards in an abundant surplus that never seems to run out, no matter how man are used. I feel like certain people (mainly newer players) should have to meet requirements before they are allowed to gain access to the easy road, just so they can understand what we went through to truly learn how to play the game. Pre-Abyssea, I thought of exp parties as like the study time to perfect the skills necessary to progress to the end game content.

Gotta learn to crawl before you walk. Many players are trying to run a marathon with wobbly legs. Thanks Abyssea, MMM, level sync, and whatever else made peoples' lives unnecessarily easier. Let's just hand you all relic/mythic/empyrean weapons, top notch gear, and everything else that took real veteran players years to achieve, only so you can still be outperformed because you never learned how to use it.

[Kensagaku]

Skipped past all the rambling and nonsense that most threads tend to run into.

I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed being invited to good parties regularly in the old days because I made a good impression on people and displayed that I can perform my jobs well. This is the kind of sign and acknowledgement that kept me going well before abyssea and even level sync were introduced. I looked at it this way: if you couldn't get a party that was at least half decent, there's a good chance it was because there was something wrong with you. Whether you had no idea what you were doing, were poorly geared, or just had a bad attitude. Nowadays all this doesn't apply to anyone anymore. You can be awfully gimp and still weasel your way into abyssea to get a job to 90, and the odds someone will notice your lack of performance is greatly reduced. If you ask me, I'd say you all got your get out of jail free cards in an abundant surplus that never seems to run out, no matter how man are used. I feel like certain people (mainly newer players) should have to meet requirements before they are allowed to gain access to the easy road, just so they can understand what we went through to truly learn how to play the game. Pre-Abyssea, I thought of exp parties as like the study time to perfect the skills necessary to progress to the end game content.

Gotta learn to crawl before you walk. Many players are trying to run a marathon with wobbly legs. Thanks Abyssea, MMM, level sync, and whatever else made peoples' lives unnecessarily easier. Let's just hand you all relic/mythic/empyrean weapons, top notch gear, and everything else that took real veteran players years to achieve, only so you can still be outperformed because you never learned how to use it.

This is a common argument, and no offense intended, it's a weak one. Unless you're a completely new player, burning a job up to 90 isn't detrimental short of gimping your gear, which is easily fixed. In terms of skill, any player who does the proper research can pick up a job quickly. especially if they ask advice from veterans of the job on the finer points. The problem is that a lot of the people who burn their jobs are lazy. They're content having that blue number by their job, not learning how to play it, not taking the time to skill up and gear it before trying to do big things, etc. The only problem with "easy mode" is that it encourages laziness.

tl;dr It's not that you have to have old-school parties to learn to play your job, it's that you have to not be lazy to do so. Most people who burn are. >.>

[Direwolfe]

You need a solution? Learn to solo. Any of the jobs can be soloed if you're skilled enough.

[Karbuncle]

1st of all this is my opinion which you can clearly see if your ignorant ass looked through it, and how did i almost get everthing? my highest job is 58...im a new player complaining how i had more fun with partying witch is the fun part to me before aby came out (cousin had the game)

You should not resort to bad attitudes and cursing unnecessarily when trying to make a point.

(The following is Not directed at quoted person )

Now, Maybe its just me, but Personally I find it offensive new players complain about exp at all, back when i leveled my first job, We didn't get 200exp for Even match mobs, or 400+ from Exp level mobs, We didn't have the "Signet' Bonuses to EVA/DEF on ~EM mobs, which meant back in the day it was much more difficult to solo than it is today. We didn't have Fields of Valor, or a lot of the new Low-level stuff. We didn't have EXP Rings, and back then 10k/hr Was a god-tier Party, even the best Merit camps were looking at 15k/hr being god-tier on RAMS and ROCS. Hell back when i FIRST started, a little before CoP Release, SKY was the best Merit camp.... SKY! Most of you new people probably don't even know what that is!

Leveling low level jobs back when the game was only ~2yrs old was harder than it is now, People crying they didn't get an invite after flagging up for 1 hour is insulting too. I used to sit LFG on my THF for HOURS back during the day, I couldn't even solo as well as i could now. I was forced to solo DC~EM mobs with the accuracy/attack of fking T/VT spamming Status Bolts to stay alive, killing 1 mob every 5 minutes for 100 exp IF I WAS LUCKY. It was awful. I remember getting owned by a Decent Challenge Antican PLDs on regular basis cause they resisted bloody bolts.

New players just complain so much. Go back to the time when the best party set up almost needed 2 Healers, always having downtime, and 10k/hr was AMAZING. Really, GO level in those conditions then come back and we'll talk.

I've leveled jobs In both eras, And i can say its 900x Easier to level now. All you need to do is flag up, and go do some Fields Of Valor while waiting for an Invite. It may take a while, But at least you guys have Options now. Back in the day we had very few options, and any options we had were criminally slow exp.

[Juri_Licious]

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I know exactly how you feel and I agree, i'm a THF and when I played awhile back I would wait hours and hours and hours just to get into a party most of the time. I invited a friend recently to FFXI and he always complains about not getting into a party after waiting for like 10-20 minutes.

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However, as for this Abyssea topic, people have leeched and will continue to do so, I noticed someone stated earlier that there was another incident where they immediately took action and players were SOL.

I wonder if that is the only solution.

[Olor]

New players just complain so much. Go back to the time when the best party set up almost needed 2 Healers, always having downtime, and 10k/hr was AMAZING. Really, GO level in those conditions then come back and we'll talk.



Yeah, I hate this attitude. I really do. No matter how you cut it - you can't blame someone for feeling like exp is not very good (even though it is much better than it used to be) when in the time they level from 40-42 they watch an LS mate go from 65-90.

That's backwards. The way it is supposed to work is lower levels take less time and higher levels take more. Abyssea has flipped that around - and new players have every right to complain that they are being asked to take 5-20 times as long to level a job as an established player.

Now, I actually don't give a damn about people leeching Abyssea and honestly I think SE was smart to do it - but something more needs to be done to even the playing field for newer players or this game will die from lack of new blood. And please - lose the attitude.

So people weren't around for the days of slow leveling (I was) - so what? The fact was back then, everyone was in the same boat. It is all about comparative speed - if back then some people were getting 100K an hour and others were getting 10K - you can bet your bottom dollar people would be complaining about that too.

Now that Abyssea exp is so ridiculous it is super hard to find real parties outside of Abyssea - and no matter how much you call down newer players for finding that frustrating - they have every right to be frustrated that they are being shut out of the best exp and left to level alone, with crummy gear, and very few opportunities to even meet people.

[chubrocka]

Yeah, I hate this attitude. I really do. No matter how you cut it - you can't blame someone for feeling like exp is not very good (even though it is much better than it used to be) when in the time they level from 40-42 they watch an LS mate go from 65-90.

That's backwards. The way it is supposed to work is lower levels take less time and higher levels take more. Abyssea has flipped that around - and new players have every right to complain that they are being asked to take 5-20 times as long to level a job as an established player.

Now, I actually don't give a damn about people leeching Abyssea and honestly I think SE was smart to do it - but something more needs to be done to even the playing field for newer players or this game will die from lack of new blood. And please - lose the attitude.

So people weren't around for the days of slow leveling (I was) - so what? The fact was back then, everyone was in the same boat. It is all about comparative speed - if back then some people were getting 100K an hour and others were getting 10K - you can bet your bottom dollar people would be complaining about that too.

Now that Abyssea exp is so ridiculous it is super hard to find real parties outside of Abyssea - and no matter how much you call down newer players for finding that frustrating - they have every right to be frustrated that they are being shut out of the best exp and left to level alone, with crummy gear, and very few opportunities to even meet people.



Its not super hard to find a party, Its much easier to find them now then even 3 years ago.. Like some have stated; 3-6 hours with no invite... some have waitied days. There was no level sync, so no more then a 2 level gap for max exp. What was done while waiting was missions, farming, level a new job to dunes, try out new things, Helping LS mates, research and so on. You would run around with exp search comment and wait, or make ur own party, or commit to a static party.

Abby (in my opinion) needs not to be entered till 76. Things in the game would come back full circle.

Olor, what server are you on???


SE NEEDS TO PUT PRIVATE MESSAGE IN PLACE.

[Karbuncle]

Yeah, I hate this attitude. I really do. No matter how you cut it - you can't blame someone for feeling like exp is not very good (even though it is much better than it used to be) when in the time they level from 40-42 they watch an LS mate go from 65-90.

That's backwards. The way it is supposed to work is lower levels take less time and higher levels take more. Abyssea has flipped that around - and new players have every right to complain that they are being asked to take 5-20 times as long to level a job as an established player.

Now, I actually don't give a damn about people leeching Abyssea and honestly I think SE was smart to do it - but something more needs to be done to even the playing field for newer players or this game will die from lack of new blood. And please - lose the attitude.

So people weren't around for the days of slow leveling (I was) - so what? The fact was back then, everyone was in the same boat. It is all about comparative speed - if back then some people were getting 100K an hour and others were getting 10K - you can bet your bottom dollar people would be complaining about that too.

Now that Abyssea exp is so ridiculous it is super hard to find real parties outside of Abyssea - and no matter how much you call down newer players for finding that frustrating - they have every right to be frustrated that they are being shut out of the best exp and left to level alone, with crummy gear, and very few opportunities to even meet people.

I will lose no attitude of the sort. My opinion is mine, Your opinion is yours. We enjoy diversity in life, You should embrace different opinions.

That being said, I'm sorry to say, SE could make Low-Level EXP abyssea-tier, And it would still not bring a whole lot of new people to the game, Simply because of its age. Exp low level has become much more newb-friendly than it used to be, its such a massive improvement, and its so ungrateful to think so much more needs to be done simply because you can't Super-Burn 1-75 like you can 75-90 in abyssea.

But Low Level Exp is extremely easy, and i can't help but feel the people complaining its hard to find exp parties outside abyssea, are just not trying. In the 5 days alone while leveling PUP 1~32, its 32 currently as i type this, sitting in Qufim Island. I have been invited to 4 Parties, And i have never put my flag up. ON PUP. And as i exp'd in Qufim today, I watched about ~20 Different Soloing players come and go, and at least 4 Active Level-Sync parties at all times. And if i didn't see them, if i felt like partying i would simply take the initiative and start one.

So There are plenties of parties, If you're not getting invites, You can easily make one. Most players 10~70 Will accept a Level Sync party. You can simply widen your search area.

I mean, how much easier do you want it? Chub brings up a good point too. Back in the day we didn't have Level Sync either, We had to find people within 1-2 levels of where we wanted to go, and if someone leveled 1 too high, the entire party went to crap. Low level EXP is almost revolutionary compared to 2003~2005 level Exp.

I just think low level exp is in a much better condition than some people play it off as. Maybe "They dont have a right to complain" is a bit to blunt, I should say "They should refrain from complaining until they experience the hellish nightmares of these "Established" players went through for nearly 6 years."

I won't object to Low-Level exp having another revamp, Though i don't find it necessary, But Capping Abyssea to 75+ Simply would not be the solution as has been suggested before. And i do not believe capping Abyssea 75+ Will make new low level parties, It simply means less high-level players will level new jobs, if forced to do it the old way.

I personally try to level Exp style as much as possible on new jobs so I dont have to Burn-Skill-up, But i appreciate Square Enix has given us so much in terms of Low level exp, and also the Option of Abyssea Exp.

so TL;DR: I Think we really should be grateful at what we have now, compared to how awful it was in the past, And while I accept the idea of more low-level exp adjustments, I don't think Nerfing Abyssea by limiting it to 75+ Would be the Solution as some have suggested. It would not do as much as some people think.

[Olor]

It really isn't your business which server I am on - but if you want to find out - I am sure you can, it would just take a little detective work.

Myself I don't really bother with parties cause I am a BST and I have a friend in the same level range as me, but I have encountered a lot of people who have trouble getting a party - and them having crappy gear doesn't make it easier for them.

[Olor]

I actually don't agree with revising Aby entrance requirements - just so there is no misunderstanding. However I don't agree with people whining about noobs having it so easy when they can afk from 30-90 whenever they want to.

[Ramsos]

Abby (in my opinion) needs not to be entered till 76. Things in the game would come back full circle.


This wouldnt bring anything "back full circle". Raising the cap in abyssea would do three things.

1. people would go back to collibri syncing
2. people would go back to smn burning
3. people would stop leveling new jobs altogether.

I feel bad for people who enjoyed the stagnation of "post lvl sync - pre abyssea" lvling and act like it was so much better than todays abyssea leeching.

[chubrocka]

It really isn't your business which server I am on - but if you want to find out - I am sure you can, it would just take a little detective work.

Myself I don't really bother with parties cause I am a BST and I have a friend in the same level range as me, but I have encountered a lot of people who have trouble getting a party - and them having crappy gear doesn't make it easier for them.

Well there went my respect for your posts and thoughts. I wanted to invite you to some great LS's and see about helping you and yours. With a reply like that, I'm glad i didnt. Good luck with your game play.

If we could PM then this would have went away from topic..... Sorry to you OP

[Karbuncle]

I actually don't agree with revising Aby entrance requirements - just so there is no misunderstanding. However I don't agree with people whining about noobs having it so easy when they can afk from 30-90 whenever they want to.

Thats good :)

Though, Not Everyone Does Abyssea burn, As i have stated I do not Abyssea burn if at all possible, Cause I Do not enjoy having to massively skill up...

And just because one group has it easier, it does not mean that other groups dont have it easy as well. It would be a Different Tier of Easy. I don't think making the game Abyssea-Teir easy inside and outside would be a smart solution. But as a solution, it would be the only way to correct low-level Exping.

So I just don't think the idea will work. Doubling Exp across the board was a very huge jump. Outside-Abyssea exp parties can get absolutely redonkulous exp/hr compared to even just a few years ago. That coupled with Exp rings outside...

To give you some idea, I Solo'd (SOLO'D!) An MMM Maze a few days ago, I got 7,800 Exp from the box, about ~1.8k from the maze, and 780 from a Mini Box, i got 2 levels and about 700 into my level in about 15 minutes. At the time i think i was level ~24. Ended the maze at 26.

When Low level people exp, They seem to completely forget MMM Exp. I would go as far to say MMM Exp is better than Abyssea Exp in Small burst. Simply because of how Broken it is with the Double-Exp gain.

So low level players do have access to Abyssea-Tier Exp, Its called MMM :) People just forget about how awesome it is if you ask me!

Edit: No Really, MMM Exp Is broken for ~30-75. The Amount of Exp you can get per maze is insane. On Average you can probably make ~15k Exp a maze without an Exp ring if you keep chain, and your average maze takes ~20 minutes with good people. So baring mess-ups and people afking, You can reach about 55k/hr, That's pretty nice for low levels. Its not EXACTLY abyssea-Easy, but it is darn close for low-level players.

And thats not even counting using an Exp ring, I have a feeling with an Anniversary Ring, You could probably get damn near 30k+ in just one maze... (thats if you dont hit the cap of 1 level per)

[Olor]

Well there went my respect for your posts and thoughts. I wanted to invite you to some great LS's and see about helping you and yours. With a reply like that, I'm glad i didnt. Good luck with your game play.

If we could PM then this would have went away from topic..... Sorry to you OP

Sorry if it came off as harsh, but I didn't know what your intentions were. I didn't mean to sound mean or anything but I didn't know if you were just gonna troll me or something.
That said I actually have a couple of great LSes and most of the issues that I talk about - I am not really advocating on my own behalf - but out of a love of the game.

Like gears - after I decided I was going to main BST my LS mates gave me a monster signa, bird whistle, corsette, two loyalty rings, and a few other goodies. So, for the most part I have had it really easy.

That said, I am highly cognizant that most noobs/rerollers are not going to have the same experience as me. I went to XI after the horrific failure called XIV burned me out. The people I am playing with now are people I met while prepping for release of XIV/through XIV.

So, I don't have much trouble with gears or exping - but I know if I was starting in the world alone and without a friend on the world - things would be demoralizingly tough.

[Karbuncle]

Sorry if it came off as harsh, but I didn't know what your intentions were. I didn't mean to sound mean or anything but I didn't know if you were just gonna troll me or something.
That said I actually have a couple of great LSes and most of the issues that I talk about - I am not really advocating on my own behalf - but out of a love of the game.

Like gears - after I decided I was going to main BST my LS mates gave me a monster signa, bird whistle, corsette, two loyalty rings, and a few other goodies. So, for the most part I have had it really easy.

That said, I am highly cognizant that most noobs/rerollers are not going to have the same experience as me. I went to XI after the horrific failure called XIV burned me out. The people I am playing with now are people I met while prepping for release of XIV/through XIV.

So, I don't have much trouble with gears or exping - but I know if I was starting in the world alone and without a friend on the world - things would be demoralizingly tough.

Now i see your point of view! And i respect where your coming from.

However, Everyone one of us Established players went through the exact same thing when we started. Back when I began the game, I lucked into an Earth Ore via Gardening, Which sold for 32k, and i thought i was RICH. I think it took me 3 weeks to farm enough gil for a Noct-gear set. I think i farmed 1k Quadav Backplates in Palborough Mines forever....

Its always been hard for new players, But its So much easier today than it used to be is all im trying to get across.

Everyone who has played FFXI, Short of a few people i guess who had friends in the begining, Went through the hardships of the "Newb" phase. Its what made us strong, We survived 5k/hr Crab parties, Farming for new gear, Etc etc. I think further dumbing down Exp simply because new players cant be assed to Farm gil for the items they want, Or anything like that, Isn't a solution, its Babying new players.

Just because The majority of us now are level 90+, Doesn't mean at some point in the game we didn't go through the Exact same things these new players do, Except back then< it was 10x Harder to do those things as Exp was slow and painful, and a lof of the current adjustments (Signet bonuses make farming easier, Treasure Hound also comes to mind) make even farming simpler.

I think new players just need to put in a little effort, And they will probably enjoy the game more. Farming is kinda rough, But its doable, So is finding a party. They just need to put forth a little effort.

[Fiarlia]

Farming isn't even necessary, and it never was. I personally hate farming, but I love Gardening and HELM. Once you get to 20 Chocobo Digging opens up. Craftign is available from the get go, and is a perfect combination with Gardening and/or HELM (depending on which craft, which HELM and which seeds/crystals/pots of course).

And when I started, the most help that I could find online was the forums at GameFAQs (lol), and the very beginnings of Allakazham. Now there's many different websites chock full of data, and even websites specific to one aspect (Pikko's Pots, but I'm not sure if it's still up), Blue Magic Hunting Grounds. Hell, BG wasn't around back then.

Up hill in the snow both ways, etc etc, damn whippersnappers and so on and so forth. Without trying to sound like a grumpy old man, it's much easier today than it used to be, and people crying that it needs to be dumbed down and/or made easier than it already is just ridiculous, regardless if the person in question is actually new or not (advocating on their behalf and such).

With that out of the way, I wouldn't mind if they did something to make it easier, but it's not necessary in the slightest. Not only that, but it'd have to be well balanced in order to maintain some sort of challenge and drive to continue on (getting things handed to you doesn't usually make a person aspire to much).

[Karbuncle]

I had always considered HELM and Chocobo digging a form of Farming :|

[Fiarlia]

I had always considered HELM and Chocobo digging a form of Farming :|

Point of view and/or semantics, I suppose. But I always viewed farming as strictly going out and killing mobs for the drops, and is the context used in my post. But yeah, hate farming so much, always have.

[Karbuncle]

Point of view and/or semantics, I suppose. But I always viewed farming as strictly going out and killing mobs for the drops, and is the context used in my post. But yeah, hate farming so much, always have.

Semantics indeed, I was only attempting to relay that Its HELM/Choco digging was also implied in my post :( that i hadn't forgotten it, I'm just used to lumping it in with "Farming" >.O.

Little fun fact, back when i was a noob I saw some taru being chased by a bunch of quadavs and tried to voke a few off him, He told me "I'm farming" and i thought he was literally Farming, like Agriculture, and the Quadavs were attacking him. So of course i still ended up fighting one.

I don't remember what happened after that, But i find it funny.

[Fiarlia]

Hah, I remember doing that once or twice.

[Olor]

Yeah, I wish I could garden. I need to wait another two months before I can get more than 1 item from a pot though.

[Fiarlia]

Yeah, I wish I could garden. I need to wait another two months before I can get more than 1 item from a pot though.

I wholeheartedly agree that the new player restriction on Gardening should go. That's just stupid and ridiculous, especially since the Free Trial got axed (where most of the RMT abuse would come from). Also, I retract that part of my argument, as I'd forgotten about the restriction. The rest of my post still stands, however.

[Olor]

Yeah I started chocobo digging yesterday (but realistically that is not really a viable way to make money until I pour a lot into it) and I've done a bit of gathering - but honestly gathering sucks - I spent like an hour (with the wiki map of spawn points open) and only found 3 nodes...

>.>

and then I got some useless stuff that sells for crap. I am going to try logging next cause I think that has better drops and more spawns.

[Fiarlia]

Yeah I started chocobo digging yesterday (but realistically that is not really a viable way to make money until I pour a lot into it) and I've done a bit of gathering - but honestly gathering sucks - I spent like an hour (with the wiki map of spawn points open) and only found 3 nodes...

>.>

and then I got some useless stuff that sells for crap. I am going to try logging next cause I think that has better drops and more spawns.

Personally I did HELM and Gardening more than anything, though if gardening is not acceptable, HELM is, there's plenty of places near starting areas for each part of HELM. Remember, buy the pickaxes, hatchets or whatever from an NPC.

[Olor]

I tried gathering (with a scythe thingy) near windy and it was terribad. I would have made 10X as much money just killing gobbies for onions. In fact I made $0... lol. So I would have made way more doing just about anything. I wanted to give it a try though.

I loved gardening before and would love to do it again (especially since I just started raising my choco regardless of not really having a ton of money to do it) I am just stuck. I even like fishing... but last time I tried I could only catch 10 fish (despite having an account more than a month old and being on a level 50+ job) - because the server downtime meant there was no conquest tallies... and fishing restrictions are timed by conquest tallies (bogus).

I am choco digging mostly cause I am crazy and I find it enjoyable and a stack of greens is only 500 gil - so whatever, I just sell a few rabbit steaks on my mule and I've paid for my daily limit.

I found a mythril beastcoin this morning, which go for about 1K on my server - so paid for two stacks of greens that way.

[Selzak]

I agree that they should raise the cap, and honestly I question the foresight of those who made the decision to cap it so low.

However, as has been the case whenever things like this have happened in the past, nothing would/should be done to 'make it up' to those who 'missed out' on taking advantage of it.

[Leviticus]

seeing how abyssea was designed for players 75+ it would only make the game more like it was supposed to be. The old leveling way, especially with the xp increase, is fair enough from levels 1-75. I wouldn't have a problem with that. I have been considering quitting for good since Abbysea came out. I wanted to stay because a few friends were interested in the game now.