(NOT) Double Bayld Campaign?

[wfoley]

Is no one else getting double bayld/exp from the campaign? Was there an error in start time? Is this like last time where is was ninja nerfed to "double rate until max, but not over max"?

[Roja323]

No double bayld here either. It says the cap is double as well but im not seeing it.

[Hoshi]

This is not a nerf, unfortunately the double bayld campaign has always given double the amount of an evaluation UNTIL you reach the cap. =/

[wfoley]

Except it would be a nerf as the official statement says.
"This bonus to evaluations means the amount of bayld and experience points earnable from each reive is roughly doubled, with the maximum values being increased as well!"

And last campaign, they had double bayld for about 2 hours. Then they changed it to double rate to max with max not being increased. Which, by my standards, is a nerf.

[Hoshi]

Hmm. The first campaign with double bayld did not in fact double the bayld, it only doubled the evaluation amount. I didn't pay attention after that since it seemed like the campaign kind of sucked.

[dasva]

To the bug reports!

[Crevox]

They didn't say they were doubling the maximum, just increasing it. They did not specify by how much.

[wfoley]

"This bonus to evaluations means the amount of bayld and experience points earnable from each reive is roughly doubled, with the maximum values being increased as well!"

To me, that means the bayld should be doubled for maximum as the entire reive should be giving double, but it is separated from the maximum section. The Japanese one has slightly different wording, but says that the upper limit will be twice what it was before.

[Roja323]

Well they moved my post to the 'accepted bugs' section, lets see how long this takes to fix...

[dasva]

Well they moved my post to the 'accepted bugs' section, lets see how long this takes to fix...
I figure probably not before the campaign ends..

[Alhanelem]

accepted bugs only means that you submitted a complete, investigatable report. It does NOT mean that your bug report was found to be an actual bug.

By the way, the name of the campaign was changed to "bonus bayld campaign" not "double bayld campaign."

[Roja323]

A bonus will be added to all lair, colonization, and wildskeeper reive evaluations during the campaign period.
This bonus to evaluations means the amount of bayld and experience points earnable from each reive is roughly doubled, with the maximum values being increased as well!

Not to beat a dead horse, but the current amount obtainable is 100% the same, with no change in the maximum at all.

Just saying, even if they change the name, the capaign is still broken. It is giving double exp, but no extra bayld at all.

[Grekumah]

The development team has confirmed an issue where players are not receiving bonus bayld in reives other than Wildskeeper Reives. They are reviewing the current state of the campaign and making necessary adjustments for future campaigns.

Due to preexisting schedules, the dev. team won’t be able to address this issue before the bonus bayld campaign ends, but they are planning to have this issue addressed by the next campaign.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you, and ask that you wait patiently for the next bonus bayld campaign.

[Roja323]

Thank you, I am just glad that the problem has been acknowledged.

Peace be with you.

[dasva]

Haha called it

[FrankReynolds]

Perhaps instead of addressing this for future campaigns, they should just make it a permanent change....

[Malphius]

The development team has confirmed an issue where players are not receiving bonus bayld in reives other than Wildskeeper Reives. They are reviewing the current state of the campaign and making necessary adjustments for future campaigns.

Due to preexisting schedules, the dev. team won’t be able to address this issue before the bonus bayld campaign ends, but they are planning to have this issue addressed by the next campaign.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you, and ask that you wait patiently for the next bonus bayld campaign.

I'd like to applaud the single person left on the development team for doing the best he can. That said, this game has been so lacking in original and compelling content it's not even funny. How long is Unity going to be milked? I can't tell you how much I HATE farming accolades. Sure it was okay for about a month but now it's stupid. The new Yorica skirmish was fun for about a week or two but it all takes up too much inventory space. Then you guys dropped the BOMB. Abyssea gear would be upgraded through an event seemingly very much like skirmish. 109/119 and no Abyssea 2.0. Really? I'm done. This game has officially become ridiculous and i'm now in an abusive relationship. What am I paying for now? It certainly isn't for quality. What a disaster this game has become. SoA was less compelling than the 2nd disk of Xenogears. A bunch of boring cut scenes about fake politics? I can only get 1 ring out of 12? Wow. Updates and campaigns are never functioning properly. I know my rant is gonna bring in the haters but server populations speak for themselves. Stop charging a monthly fee or start putting out quality updates and additions. This is so unprofessional it's embarrassing. Subscription canceled.

[Alhanelem]

I'd like to applaud the single person left on the development team for doing the best he can. That said, this game has been so lacking in original and compelling content it's not even funny. How long is Unity going to be milked? I can't tell you how much I HATE farming accolades. Sure it was okay for about a month but now it's stupid. The new Yorica skirmish was fun for about a week or two but it all takes up too much inventory space. Then you guys dropped the BOMB. Abyssea gear would be upgraded through an event seemingly very much like skirmish. 109/119 and no Abyssea 2.0. Really? I'm done. This game has officially become ridiculous and i'm now in an abusive relationship. What am I paying for now? It certainly isn't for quality. What a disaster this game has become. SoA was less compelling than the 2nd disk of Xenogears. A bunch of boring cut scenes about fake politics? I can only get 1 ring out of 12? Wow. Updates and campaigns are never functioning properly. I know my rant is gonna bring in the haters but server populations speak for themselves. Stop charging a monthly fee or start putting out quality updates and additions. This is so unprofessional it's embarrassing. Subscription canceled.
Lol... that was a bit harsh! The hyperbole (sure seems like it) is a little over the top, though there are some points in there that aren't completely without merit.

[Malphius]

No hyperbole brother. Just the truth as I see it.

[Catmato]

The development team has confirmed an issue where the bonus campaign isn't actually working.

Due to nonexisting schedules, the dev. team won’t be able to make this bonus campaign an actual bonus campaign.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you, and ask that you keep paying, despite all of our failures.

Wow, what a joke.

[Alhanelem]

No hyperbole brother. Just the truth as I see it.

I don't see how you not liking the features/content/etc means that they're "unprofessional." The two things have virtually nothing to do with eachother. Like the content or not, I'd hardly call them being unprofessional.

You act in response to this thread as if all the campaigns have been broke, but it's really only this one. I don't recall any other campaign being majorly broken. I do agree to some extent about the repetitiveness/reuse of content but if you ask me they're merely working with the resources they've been given. To call it unprofessional is an insult to the small number of people working on it doing the best they can.

Rings: You could only get 1 of the all the other mission rings before so I don't see how this is any different. The only real problem with it I see is the exorbitant cost if you want to get a different one (300k bayld to get a new ring).

Like I said. There are some fair points in what you have to say but I think you were being overly rude about it.

[Malphius]

"I don't see how you not liking the features/content/etc means that they're "unprofessional." The two things have virtually nothing to do with eachother. Like the content or not, I'd hardly call them being unprofessional."

Dude, almost every update something is broken. Weaponskills not functioning properly, summoning magic isn't functioning properly, game crashes when you check this certain item, they're always behind their own time table. Either you don't pay attention or you don't care. Like you said there isn't many developers left on the game but I still pay the same amount I have since the game came out around 03 and there was a full team. Secondly I said I applaud the single person left on the dev "team" for doing the best they can. I'm not sure how I insulted them by giving them a complement but then the honest truth. My comments are directed towards the decision makers and managers at SE.

"I do agree to some extent about the repetitiveness/reuse of content but if you ask me they're merely working with the resources they've been given."

They aren't being given enough resources by SE we agree. This in and of itself is unprofessional. This is why MY resources will no longer be going to SE. New and original content then you can have my $$$ back. Till then i'll be funding another company.

"Like I said. There are some fair points in what you have to say but I think you were being overly rude about it."

I'm polite in 90% of my other posts. If I want to be rude every now and then that's okay and sometimes a smack to the back of the head is more effective than asking politely to be paid attention to. You guys are too apologetic for SE as it is. Demand better.

[Alhanelem]

This in and of itself is unprofessional.I think you misunderstand what "unprofessional" really means. Unprofessional would be something like the CEO or some other staff member coming on here and saying "you are all a bunch of silly people and HA HA I'm awesome and you're not." THAT's unprofessional. Weak business / design decisions is not by itself unprofessional. being intentionally destructive or negligent would also fall in that category but I don't really see any evidence of malice or willful disregard.


You guys are too apologetic for SE as it is. Demand better. It's not being apologetic. You can express your opinion in a civil manner without being "apologetic". Being firm but not being rude. That gets you paid more attention to than blurting out an uncontrolled rant. And I say this from experience working directly with a game studio dev team and forum community. The man who stands firm but speaks plainly is listened to much more than the man who yells and screams.

(You should be aware, that part of the reason for recycling some content is the existence of the PS2 version, which has limited disk space, memory, etc, which necessitates reusing assets to some degree in order to fit within the confines of the console's limitations. Should they terminate PS2 support? Absolutely. But consider from a business standpoint that they have customers using that system who might not play anymore if support for it was dropped- They can't do this until they are certain the loss from doing so is outweighed by the loss from not doing it)

[Roja323]

I want my thread back, this banter has nothing to do with a broken campaign. There is too much butt hurt here.!

[Alhanelem]

I want my thread back, this banter has nothing to do with a broken campaign. There is too much butt hurt here.!
Thatt'l be $7.50. <3

You've already gotten an official response on the matter though.

[Malphius]

"I think you misunderstand what "unprofessional" really means. Unprofessional would be something like the CEO or some other staff member coming on here and saying "you are all a bunch of silly people and HA HA I'm awesome and you're not." THAT's unprofessional. Weak business / design decisions is not by itself unprofessional. being intentionally destructive or negligent would also fall in that category but I don't really see any evidence of malice or willful disregard."

I think you have a preconceived notion of what unprofessional is and while your example is applicable it's not the limit. Merriam defines it as "lacking or showing a lack of expert skill". Consistent regular updates full of bugs and misappropriation of funds and resources are by definition unprofessional.

I don't know why you bring PS2 support into this. We all know they should have dropped support for it ages ago. We're on PS4 now. If they would quit self imposing a limit they would have been able to develop a better product and thus retain more subscribers. It just further shows the incompetence in management.

"Being firm but not being rude. That gets you paid more attention to than blurting out an uncontrolled rant. And I say this from experience working directly with a game studio dev team and forum community. The man who stands firm but speaks plainly is listened to much more than the man who yells and screams."

On the contrary. I've been very controlled. If I said what I really think i'd have been banned. As far as your experience goes and the man who stands firm and speaks plainly...well we can see where years of that have led. Also you're very engaged with me so i'd have to say that's not true. Clearly my "smack to the head" got some attention. This board has a well deserved reputation in the community. That's not a statement target at you. It's just a generality. Polite people rarely get their way and SE doesn't need you to be the tone police for them. They have mods that can address that.

[Alhanelem]

Is there something wrong with your quote button?


Consistent regular updates full of bugs and misappropriation of funds and resources are by definition unprofessional. No, it doesn't because pretty much every piece of software consistently has bugs or defects in it somewhere- Are all software developers unprofessional then?. You have no evidence of "misappropriation of funds" either (which also doesn't mean what you apparently think it means). Misappropriation of funds would be something like people redirecting money from whatever it was allocated for to something else without following proper proceedures. SE can technically spend its income however it wants, that doesn't automatically make every dollar used for something other than making you happy "misappropriation." That generally describes a criminal activity, unless you're a member of the US Congress. :p I'm sure you'll try to counter this with the dictionary card, but what matters is how the phrase is actually used in practice, not the literal definition.

But you don't have access to SE's budget ledgers, balance sheets, etc so you really have no basis to make such an accusation because you have no idea how their income from this game is allocated. As long as their ledger looks something like: "Income: ####### - ¥ Server costs: ###### - ¥ Labor costs: ###### ¥ = Net Income" and not something like: "Income: ###### ¥ - porn anime in the break room: ####### ¥ - personal vacation to Dubai: ####### ¥ = Net Income" then everything is fine in this area.

When you have a small team trying to modify and manage a huge piece of software, mistakes are bound to happen. Even the biggest software developers in the world make mistakes and put bugs in their software. If those bugs don't get fixed, then yes, there's a failing there that could be called unprofessionalism- Though it's most likely the internal QA where you'd peg it not the engineers.


It just further shows the incompetence in management. Please show me your cost-benefit analysis and your certification as a professional financial advisor to corporations. Odds are they've done these and determined that the likely benefit vs the cost is not feasable, as much as we all definitely want something like this to happen. They probably think based on their analysis that it would not bring in enough new/returning customers to be worth the expense. Only if a CBA determined that it was beneficial and they ignored it would there be incompetence at work.


. Also you're very engaged with me so i'd have to say that's not true. Clearly my "smack to the head" got some attention.Well that depends. If you were seeking to start an argument or just being an attention monger (for lack of a more appropriate term) then yes, I'd agree. But smacking the head hasn't provoked (nor is it likely to provoke) an SE response, because like any smart company, they are more likely to respond to someone being civil rather than stamping their foot and running for the door. As soon as I stop responding, this thread will be pretty much dead. >.>

[FrankReynolds]

Is there something wrong with your quote button?

I clicked "like" just for this.


You have no evidence of "misappropriation of funds" either (which also doesn't mean what you apparently think it means). Misappropriation of funds would be something like people redirecting money from whatever it was allocated for to something else without following proper proceedures. SE can technically spend its income however it wants, that doesn't automatically make every dollar used for something other than making you happy "misappropriation." That generally describes a criminal activity, unless you're a member of the US Congress. :p

I think technically they are misrepresenting where the funds are being sent. Although anyone who follows this game should have figured it out and has no one to blame but themselves at this point. I could see where the misappropriation term could loosely apply. Most people assume that when they pay for an online service, a certain amount is spent on upkeep and improvements and the rest is profit. However, in the case of FFXI, it seems like almost all of the money is going elsewhere and the service is degrading as a result. For me, it hasn't gotten to the point where I won't pay for the game any more, but I certainly won't be buying into any of their other franchises or recommending them to friends.

I think we all can agree that whatever problems this game has have very little to do with the staff maintaining it and almost everything to do with corporate management at this point. It was probably not like that in the beginning, but it certainly has become that way.

[Alhanelem]

I think technically they are misrepresenting where the funds are being sent. Although anyone who follows this game should have figured it out and has no one to blame but themselves at this point. I could see where the misappropriation term could loosely apply. Most people assume that when they pay for an online service, a certain amount is spent on upkeep and improvements and the rest is profit. However, in the case of FFXI, it seems like almost all of the money is going elsewhere and the service is degrading as a result. For me, it hasn't gotten to the point where I won't pay for the game any more, but I certainly won't be buying into any of their other franchises or recommending them to friends. Like with any business, SE is perfectly entitle to keep some profits for its business. The only way to prove misappropriation here would be to show something like they are paying the workers involved with this project to work on a different one instead. On that balance sheet, everything after labor (developers making things for this game) and server costs for this game is profit that they are perfectly legally free to use how they please. In order to increase the allocation for this game, you'd have to do a cost benefit analysis that shows using the after-current-costs profit to expand the team and update the game would be worth the amount of additional income it would likely provide- for each new developer they add to the project, they'd have to expect a gain in subscribers at least equal to how much they'd be paying that person each month. It's just basic business.

I think you'd have to show that they're taking people off the project or otherwise cutting costs beyond what would reasonably be considered necessary for the game to be financially solvent to accuse them of misappropriation. I'm not even sure that we actually know how many people are currently involved with the project though.


I think we all can agree that whatever problems this game has have very little to do with the staff maintaining it and almost everything to do with corporate management at this point. It was probably not like that in the beginning, but it certainly has become that way. Though we can express our opinions and make casual observations, we really don't have the information necessary to solidly make these kinds of accusations. I'm not speaking for or against here to be clear: I'm just saying we don't really have the information necessary to make those kind of accusations- not commenting on whether or not they are truly valid.

[Malphius]

I don't need to use the quote button. The fact that you'd rather debate semantics, form etiquette and come up with excuses for SE is telling. I expected no less from the OF. You didn't let me down. Please cite a developer that has bugs in every single update that affect the functionality of the software? You can't. I love that I prove to you using the DICTIONARY what unprofessional means and you still say it doesn't mean that. Sure they're not unprofessional then. They're just terrible, terrible, terrible programmers with absolutely no care about quality. Better? This isn't some free to play game. They aren't donating their time. I don't have to be grateful.

"But you don't have access to SE's budget ledgers, balance sheets, etc so you really have no basis to make such an accusation because you have no idea how their income from this game is allocated"

Well I can make a general estimate. Assuming 17 servers with 2000 active accounts each at $13 a month for 1 year is $5,304,000. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't think the game is receiving $5mil quality updates. Not even close. Misappropriation or misallocation or poor distribution of resources to general incompetence. Call it what you want. The money customers are paying isn't being reinvested into the game. They've figured out they can give the bare minimum and a loyal army of fan boys will line up to defend them.

"When you have a small team trying to modify and manage"

The game is well funded. There isn't a reason to have small teams.

[Alhanelem]

I don't need to use the quote button. The fact that you'd rather debate semantics,1) Yes, you do need to use the quote button, because it makes what you're saying a lot harder to read when it's not clearly separated from your comments. 2) As for playing semantics, you are the one that was pulling out the dictionary to declare me wrong, so it seems to me like you care a lot more about semantics than I do.


The game is well funded. There isn't a reason to have small teams.You don't know how "well funded" it is. Frankly, given the current playercounts per server (where number of servers has stayed the same while players on them have decreased), while it is profitable, it's hardly raking in money hand over fist. As a point of good business, you typically want your labor costs to be a certain percentage of your gross income. I'm sure that they are keeping their labor at a reasonable percentage of their income in line with industry standards. If you can prove otherwise, I'd love to hear where you're getitng your info from. I don't know for sure whether they truly are or not, but there is simply no data to prove your theory/opinion. I'm not willing to accuse someone of something without any basis. Your assumed figures are very high-balled if you ask me. I don't think there's 2000 active accounts on every server.

There are way too many people on these boards that make assertions without evidence to back them up.


The money customers are paying isn't being reinvested into the game.Unless you can prove that the people working on the project aren't being paid, or you can prove that the people being paid for this game aren't actually assigned to the project, you can't prove that the money we pay doesn't partially go to the game. Again, they are a business, they're allowed to make a profit beyond what they need to work on the game and that profit beyond what they need to work on the game is free for them to be spent or kept as they please. It's business 101. You don't know how much it costs them to work on the game and you don't know how much their server and support staff costs are.

[Thorn]

lol everyone knows that square uses this game to fill in the financial loss of all it's bad games. I will probably be canceling my subscription also. This has become embarrassing for square. I can't pay them anymore when they put out such bad/lazy products. They won't even fix the broken campaign. I agree it is unprofessional.

[Alhanelem]

lol everyone knows that square uses this game to fill in the financial loss of all it's bad games. I will probably be canceling my subscription also. This has become embarrassing for square. I can't pay them anymore when they put out such bad/lazy products. They won't even fix the broken campaign. I agree it is unprofessional.
Everyone knows eh? Everyone thinks, maybe. Everyone knows? no. Also, what bad games are we talking about here? I don't realy even follow anything of theirs that isn't FF related, so this is a question of genuine curiosity of what you think were the worst releases.

I don't agree with everything they're doing- they definitely need to re-evaluate their priorities when it comes to version updates. However, the only thing in this thread that really bugs me is people claiming knowledge of information that they don't actually have.

This is enjoyable, honestly, being the voice of reason and not making claims I can't back up, while watching the people who spurt common opinion (opinion, not fact) get all the post likes. :)
So we're clear: I'm not calling anyone here flat out wrong: However i am calling your opinions, just that: opinions. They are not facts until they are backed up with data. You might be right, you might be wrong, but we won't know unless there is actual data (not made up estimates) that supports your conclusions. I don't know what it is with people here and data. Everyone wants to assert things as fact without anything to prove those facts with.


I think we all can agree that whatever problems this game has have very little to do with the staff maintaining it and almost everything to do with corporate management at this point. It was probably not like that in the beginning, but it certainly has become that way. I would have to agree that any such problems are management decisions. That doesn't necessairly mean they're conciously making fiscally irresponsible/unprofessional decisions, though it does mean they're probably very out of touch with what their customers are expecting of them. Personally, i think the dev team itself cares about their work, even if we sometimes think balance changes are misguided or whatever.

[detlef]

Unrelated to this back-and-forth conversation but please use the quote button.

[Malphius]

"1) Yes, you do need to use the quote button"

When I start forcing you to reply to me i'll start using the button for you. You aren't the voice of reason. You're the voice a fanatic.

Give it a rest. The writing is on the wall. The proof is in the pudding, etc... Bad updates are bad and everyone knows it.

[Malphius]

Unrelated to this back-and-forth conversation but please use the quote button.

Only because someone other than the Galka Pup asked.