How to handle the "Light lamps in a specific order" objective in Nyzul?

[Zarchery]

I'm usually a pretty smart guy, but these lamps are my Achilles' Heel. I always dread them and it's the big thing that has stopped me from attempting to lead any Nyzul runs. I need tokens for my Yagrush, so I want to figure this out. Let me know if I have this understood correctly:

1) Say you have 4 players, named Arthur, Brian, Charles, and Dave.
2) Each player finds a lamp.

There are therefore 4 positions (1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th). Each lamp has 2 possibilities (i.e. either Arthur's lamp is the first lamp or it's not). That makes 15 possibilities.

3) So we take a wild guess and try A > B > C > D.

Arthur clicks his lamp, reports this in party chat.
Brian clicks his lamp, reports this in party chat.
Charles does the same and reports.
Dave finishes up by clicking his lamp.

Each player needs to wait after hearing the report of of his predecessor before clicking his lamp? Is that correct?

4) If that was the correct order, all lamps light up and you get the message that you have finished the floor? Right?

If that was incorrect, something happens and this is where I get a little lost.

If I'm reading this correct, all lamps then light up. Then, you wait 10 seconds and all lamps that WERE NOT in the correct place in their sequence shut off. All lamps that were correct remain on for a little longer?

So if I'm interpreting correctly, let's suppose in the previous example we tried A > B > C > D and the correct order was actually A > C > B > D.

After everyone clicks their lamps, and they all light up. After 10 seconds A and D (being in their correct positions) remain lit but B and C (not being correct) turn off?

Where do you go from there?

Please help. I want to learn this and I don't want to be one of those guys who waits around for someone else to take the initiative in content.

[Jile]

A comes before D based on that initial sequence. I'd have also attempted the A/C/B/D, if that did not work then I'd keep D following A, A/D/B/C, A/D/C/B.


Also, if your able to voicechat, I find the lamp floors flow much quicker than trying to do them in /p.

(Edit)
It's been too many years since I've done these and I should have glanced at bg-wiki (http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Nyzul_Isle_Investigation/Strategy) before replying, sorry for the confusion.

The ones that stay lit are the ones done in the right order.

So if you started at ABCD and AD remained lit, then the solution is ACBD.

[Zarchery]

Voice chat is hard to set up because you have to get everyone to install external resources, whereas party chat relies on stuff that everyone already has. Also I find that the written record makes it better for something like this since you can refer back to it.

Are you saying is that if you don't get it right on any particular try, you can at best ascertain that one is in its correct place? If the order is A>C>B>D and you try A>B>C>D, will only one lamp, A, remain lit?

[Tidis]

Voice chat is hard to set up because you have to get everyone to install external resources, whereas party chat relies on stuff that everyone already has. Also I find that the written record makes it better for something like this since you can refer back to it.

Are you saying is that if you don't get it right on any particular try, you can at best ascertain that one is in its correct place? If the order is A>C>B>D and you try A>B>C>D, will only one lamp, A, remain lit?

It's not sequential, if any are right they will remain lit, so in your example, A and D will remain lit.

[Byrth]

My system was always this:
1) One person is designated to say the order, which goes based on player name. In the event of multiple lamps per person, append a number (B1, B2, etc.)
2) When people find lamps, they activate them and immediately do / in party chat.
3) After the order is called, everyone do / as you hit your lamp.
4) If your lamp turns off, say "Off". (If you have multiple lamps, give the letter/number designation of your lamp)
5) If other people start saying "Off", then say "On" if your lamp is still on. (If you have multiple lamps, give the letter/number designation of your lamp)
6) Keep in mind that your first activation is going to be your sloppiest and least trustworthy. With that said, the first order is rarely incorrect.
7) The leader rotates the "Off" lamps through the order.

So you might end up with A->B->C->D as you said on the initial activation. If Brian and Dave's lamps remain on, then Andy and Charles would say "Off" and the leader would say "CBAD." People would / as they activate and you would necessarily complete the floor.

If only Brian's lamp remained on, the leader would call DBAC and it would necessarily complete the floor if your initial order was correct. (Think about it.)


Lamp floors almost never take more than two tries once your group is good at them. Five-lamp floors can take more than 2 tries, but they are very rare.

[Zarchery]

It's not sequential, if any are right they will remain lit, so in your example, A and D will remain lit.

Now I'm really confused. I thought "light in a specific order" implied a sequence. So if A and D remain lit, that means that the order could be any of the possibilities where A comes before D (except A>B>C>D because we just tried that and failed) ? So:

A>B>D>C

A>C>B>D
A>C>D>B

A>D>B>C
A>D>C>B

Did I forget any? I get the creeping feeling I forgot one.

[Malthar]

Make sure no-one is clicking prematurely.

[Zarchery]

Lamp floors almost never take more than two tries once your group is good at them. Five-lamp floors can take more than 2 tries, but they are very rare.

Yeah that's the big if....

The very first time I entered Nyzul Isle I wasn't farming tokens or even trying to clear floors for a run. I was just trying to complete a Magian trial. The objective was something like "Kill 75 enemies on Lightsday/Light Weather". I figured with the constant light weather in there I could breeze through it. I went in with 1 other guy and a secondary character I had. There weren't enough enemies on the first floor, and the second floor was "light lamps in order". We were both so bad at it that we timed out after like 20 minutes of trying. It's left me shaking at the sight of those objectives ever since.

[Zarchery]

Ok thanks all for your input. I'll try to digest this before I attempt token farming tonight.

[Zarchery]

If a lamp is in the correct order, it stays on after the others shut off? And they shut off after 10 seconds? Does the correct one stay on forever?

[Jile]

A comes before D based on that initial sequence. I'd have also attempted the A/C/B/D, if that did not work then I'd keep D following A, A/D/B/C, A/D/C/B.


Also, if your able to voicechat, I find the lamp floors flow much quicker than trying to do them in /p.

(Edit)
It's been too many years since I've done these and I should have glanced at bg-wiki (http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Nyzul_Isle_Investigation/Strategy) before replying, sorry for the confusion.

The ones that stay lit are the ones done in the right order.

So if you started at ABCD and AD remained lit, then the solution is ACBD.


Sorry for the confusion I added, I edited my previous post.

[Tidis]

The correct one will stay on unless you press it in the wrong order, when I said it's not sequential, I meant that, it doesn't matter which are right or wrong, if it's right it stays on, if it's wrong it turns off.

so if you do A > B > C > D and A and D stay lit, then A is always first and D is always last.

[bungiefanNA]

Voice chat is hard to set up because you have to get everyone to install external resources, whereas party chat relies on stuff that everyone already has. Also I find that the written record makes it better for something like this since you can refer back to it.

Are you saying is that if you don't get it right on any particular try, you can at best ascertain that one is in its correct place? If the order is A>C>B>D and you try A>B>C>D, will only one lamp, A, remain lit?

If you play with a group of people on a regular basis, it's easier to have such tools installed and working in advance. Also, things like Skype and Mumble are accessible from smartphones, letting you plan things and participate outside the game when you may not have access to be logged in.

[Protey]

from another thread in which I gave advice on nyzul:


The majority of the time lamp floors will only have sneak aggro mobs. Use a sneak oil, or be adept at being able to trigger a lamp without getting "event skipped" message. One person should be in charge of telling everyone else what to do on Order lamps. Hopefully, Machini, you have someone in your group that has a logical mind. When someone gets to a lamp they type "1", then the next person types "2" when they get a lamp. and so on. If someone has more than one lamp, they need to not be retarded and remember which one is "3" and which one is "4". After a few seconds the lamps will either stay on or go off. Everyone needs to say "1 on", "2 off", "3 off", etc. I prefer if people type it out just in case someone does something stupid like not go when they are supposed to go and i have the evidence in chatlog to bitch them out. Once you tell them the new revised order (shift everything over by one, but making sure that if any were on they stay in that position) each person will type "/" to let people know they have gone.

[Gwydion]

A few us only do Nyzule with everyone on skype (if they don't have a mic, then they still use skype to listen to us talk).

We give everyone a letter, like A/B/C/D above.

Everyone says if they found a lamp and stays at it.

The leader says an order, like: D, C, B, A. Then everyone responds:

D done.
C done
B done.
A done.

Followed by:

D off
C on
B off
A on.

Leader repeats the process by saying another order: xCxA (not C and A remained on, so their orders are correct. The solution in this case is to swap B and D as those are the only other positions that D and B can occupy in the order:

B done
C done
D done
A done.
All lamps go on. Rune of Release gets triggered and we go up to the next floor.

If NO or FEW lamps light up, then it means our original order DCBA is wrong. For every lamp that doesn't remain on, we put it in a different spot in the order.

If you did D first and D didn't remain on, then D must be in the second, third or fourth position in the order.

If C remains on, then you know D can't be in the second position in the order, etc.

I'm hope, I'm making the logic clear.