Key items

[Jedicrew]

Not everyone will get the chance on doing this I think about time they let us buy key items with sparks. Sorry I'm a part timer lol

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[Crevox]

...no? You can get the majority of those just from killing NMs out in the field. Some of them are soloable with trusts, others you need 1 or 2 more people. Welcome to an MMORPG. Part time or not, it takes like 15 minutes to do this.

If you want the delve boss KI, go do delve. It's not that hard, make a group, and it takes like 30 minutes. What does "part timer" have to do with this...

There is no reason for this.

[Draylo]

It's an excuse people use to make themselves look "cool" or to cover up for how fail they are. Gosh golly I'm too busy for this game, let everything be handed to me. Oh hold on, I gotta spend 3hrs into call of duty or candy crush. Manage your time better by doing the research on how easy this stuff is, or don't play an MMO.

[Zarchery]

What is this weird obsession people have with Delve? Every day I log on, hear somebody say "let's do Delve" or "I need Shark" or something like that. As though having these Delve items is critical to the gaming experience.

Adding Delve key items to the list of things you can buy with Sparks would be foolish. They already have a set of armor and weapons you can buy with sparks. Reforged AF and relic can be bought with sparks indirectly (by buying the Rem's Tale chapters, arguably the hardest part of the reforging process). Accessories can be bought with gil on the auction house.

[Zarchery]

It's an excuse people use to make themselves look "cool" or to cover up for how fail they are. Gosh golly I'm too busy for this game, let everything be handed to me. Oh hold on, I gotta spend 3hrs into call of duty or candy crush. Manage your time better by doing the research on how easy this stuff is, or don't play an MMO.

Let's be realistic here. You can't really spend 3 hours playing Candy Crush unless you start dumping large amounts of money into it. When I played that horrible horrible game I'd usually run out of lives in about half an hour.

[Tidis]

Even if you could buy these KIs with Sparks what next? You say you can't do Delve so you have no plasm right? So what are you going to buy? Are you going to use all your copper vouchers on plasm, buy loads of NM related items that you can use to gain a quick 1k bayld or so?

[Jedicrew]

...no? You can get the majority of those just from killing NMs out in the field. Some of them are soloable with trusts, others you need 1 or 2 more people. Welcome to an MMORPG. Part time or not, it takes like 15 minutes to do this.

If you want the delve boss KI, go do delve. It's not that hard, make a group, and it takes like 30 minutes. What does "part timer" have to do with this...

There is no reason for this.

I would like the idea using the trust for delve boss battle (mega boss) tho, as we already know due to players declining 30min just to group is a load of bull, Most players that have done this will NOT do this again.


Only doing for accessories as gear level is 110 not many would want to do this.

[Oakrest]

They could also just fix Delve, and you know, make it something more inclusive than just those lucky few jobs (sch, sam, brd, etc) or those who already have Delve gear. Yea yea, I know - it can be done by other jobs. On average it isn't.

The chicken and egg gear problem perpetuated by the community (and catalyst by SE) is a real fail too. It's like: "oh you want a drivers license for your car? No problem! We'll just need to see your valid drivers license". Bulll#^%!. For that reason alone, I feel Delve is one of the worst events FFXI has seen. I'm not saying it's an issue exclusive to Delve, I'm just saying Delve is ripe with it.

In contrast [for example], Abyssea might have singled out a lot of jobs (blm/mages for magic procs, war or nin for ws procs, etc) but anyone could still join the fun without any impact to the difficulty (unlike Delve, Abyssea didn't get harder the more people you had in your party/zone). I think that's the problem with events/content like Delve: you shouldn't be penalized for having more help. That just seems weird for an MMO like this one - especially now that the player base is dwindling. If you manage to get lots of people together, that's an achievement within itself.

If your BST friend wanted to come along and see how Abyssea worked, or learn the mechanics of one of the many NM's within, there was no impact to difficulty. He could literally just stand on the sideline and watch. If your BST friend wants to come to Delve to get familiar, he's probably gonna be told to go watch YouTube (or level a specific job as BRD) to fit in. His presence literally makes it harder, and that means more time - something most "casuals" trying for a PUG won't be included in.

I say these things with good intentions. I'd like to see more players having a better time.

Ironically, I think Delve is actually kind of fun (in terms of the level/boss design, KI and plasma progress, etc). SE sometimes just get really bad ideas for inclusive events that are also challenging. Yea yea, I'm not offering any ideas - I'm not getting paid to either.

PS - I'm not partial to BST, I just used that as a random example.

[Crevox]

On average it isn't.

Because people don't try. People don't try to do delve on anything else. Nothing is stopping someone from making their own delve group to go try. But, when someone finally does try, it's with a group of really poor/unskilled/under geared players and then they blame the jobs. Those same people on something like SAM/BRD whatever wouldn't succeed either. You still need to put forth effort.

Yes, all the jobs can do it. No, it's not because the jobs are bad. There are jobs that are better at it than others, but those are not required to pass the content. Good jobs/geared players finish something like Yorcia Delve in less than 15 minutes, when the time limit is so much more than that. This still doesn't mean you can completely ignore composition though (taking 6 white mages isn't going to work).

If you want to try Delve, group up with some people (of which, there are many) and go practice the Delve NMs out in the field; that's what they're for. Most of them are very easy to kill with 1-3 people, others will need a bigger group and that's fine, because you will need that for the Delve or can just bead them out. After that, head on in to the fracture. Unlike most content in the game, attempting delve costs little to nothing; there's no penalty for failure, and you still walk out with some plasm/airlixirs. Practicing the NMs will also get the KIs/maybe drops/plasm.

The original 3 delves are tuned for much lower gear than even sparks gear; you have the stat advantage. Go ahead and try. It doesn't take long and there's no harm. After you get comfortable you can try the harder ones.


make it something more inclusive than just those lucky few jobs (sch, sam, brd, etc) or those who already have Delve gear.

People who already have Delve gear farm delve all the time because of plasm. Plasm is great for making money (in addition to the material/airlixir drops) and also needed to get drops from not only that delve, but other delves. The reasoning is there for this already.

[Jedicrew]

Because people don't try. People don't try to do delve on anything else. Nothing is stopping someone from making their own delve group to go try. But, when someone finally does try, it's with a group of really poor/unskilled/under geared players and then they blame the jobs. Those same people on something like SAM/BRD whatever wouldn't succeed either. You still need to put forth effort.

Yes, all the jobs can do it. No, it's not because the jobs are bad. There are jobs that are better at it than others, but those are not required to pass the content. Good jobs/geared players finish something like Yorcia Delve in less than 15 minutes, when the time limit is so much more than that. This still doesn't mean you can completely ignore composition though (taking 6 white mages isn't going to work).

If you want to try Delve, group up with some people (of which, there are many) and go practice the Delve NMs out in the field; that's what they're for. Most of them are very easy to kill with 1-3 people, others will need a bigger group and that's fine, because you will need that for the Delve or can just bead them out. After that, head on in to the fracture. Unlike most content in the game, attempting delve costs little to nothing; there's no penalty for failure, and you still walk out with some plasm/airlixirs. Practicing the NMs will also get the KIs/maybe drops/plasm.

The original 3 delves are tuned for much lower gear than even sparks gear; you have the stat advantage. Go ahead and try. It doesn't take long and there's no harm. After you get comfortable you can try the harder ones.



People who already have Delve gear farm delve all the time because of plasm. Plasm is great for making money (in addition to the material/airlixir drops) and also needed to get drops from not only that delve, but other delves. The reasoning is there for this already.

I don't see it working been /shouting for ages Foret de Hennetiel WIN Dakuwaqa its job pacific mnk/run x3 WHM BRD PLD or SCH, also those runs are done with a static party rare to see a shout for this.

[Crevox]

I don't see it working been /shouting for ages Foret de Hennetiel WIN Dakuwaqa its job pacific mnk/run x3 WHM BRD PLD or SCH, also those runs are done with a static party rare to see a shout for this.


You're on Asura, so I know for a fact there are tons of people that would go if someone started trying to form a party for non-veterans, or a party for people to learn, even more so if you were in a linkshell. I also know for a fact that there are tons of Delve shouts every single day, so no, it's not only for static parties. I myself have formed a few Tojil learning parties in the past offering to teach people, and we did in fact make it up to Tojil with a random party setup. We didn't win because of the Scholar not really being experienced in stunning, but it was close, and we might have won with a little more practice.

And no, that Delve does not require those jobs, it's simply commonly done with that. When people shout, they shout for the "optimal" setup or the setup they know best, because they want to win. They're not forming a "learning" party, they're forming one to win, so they shout for jobs they know will succeed (it's the standard). Believe it or not a lot of people don't know why you take certain jobs, they just do it because they know everyone else does. So, they deny other jobs that would work perfectly fine in replacement simply because they don't know better or are just scared of losing with the "not optimal" setup.

Jobs are also denied simply because people take the assumption that if, for example, a BST wants to join, that the BST is a noob because normally such a job would not ask to join. A BST might work perfectly fine in the position, but it's denied because the BST is probably not geared, not gearswapping, and/or doesn't know the fights. People would rather not take the extra effort to even try this person when they can just get the normal setup.

If you can't get in one of those parties, just make your own if you want to do delve. People make parties because they want to do delve. Because they want to win delve, they just follow the standard set by everyone else. You can do that if you want, or you can take whatever jobs you want. If you learn and understand the bosses, you can make your own decisions.

[Zarchery]

You can fight these notorious monsters, aside from the zone bosses, outside of Delve. There should be more liberty in job setups. A lot of the rigidity you see with Delve is because people have their eye on the most difficult monster in the encounter, the boss.

Sure you don't get the best gear, which only drops off the bosses, but so what? It's not required and you don't have an implicit right to it.

[Jedicrew]

You're on Asura, so I know for a fact there are tons of people that would go if someone started trying to form a party for non-veterans, or a party for people to learn, even more so if you were in a linkshell. I also know for a fact that there are tons of Delve shouts every single day, so no, it's not only for static parties. I myself have formed a few Tojil learning parties in the past offering to teach people, and we did in fact make it up to Tojil with a random party setup. We didn't win because of the Scholar not really being experienced in stunning, but it was close, and we might have won with a little more practice.

And no, that Delve does not require those jobs, it's simply commonly done with that. When people shout, they shout for the "optimal" setup or the setup they know best, because they want to win. They're not forming a "learning" party, they're forming one to win, so they shout for jobs they know will succeed (it's the standard). Believe it or not a lot of people don't know why you take certain jobs, they just do it because they know everyone else does. So, they deny other jobs that would work perfectly fine in replacement simply because they don't know better or are just scared of losing with the "not optimal" setup.

Jobs are also denied simply because people take the assumption that if, for example, a BST wants to join, that the BST is a noob because normally such a job would not ask to join. A BST might work perfectly fine in the position, but it's denied because the BST is probably not geared, not gearswapping, and/or doesn't know the fights. People would rather not take the extra effort to even try this person when they can just get the normal setup.

If you can't get in one of those parties, just make your own if you want to do delve. People make parties because they want to do delve. Because they want to win delve, they just follow the standard set by everyone else. You can do that if you want, or you can take whatever jobs you want. If you learn and understand the bosses, you can make your own decisions.

Dude give us one screenshot that this is happening on the server on my time zone UK you failed understand this is a no go for me because most event start after midnight.

I already told you I started a party but with few response from players, when I'm online the Japanese players are online.

[Crevox]

Dude give us one screenshot that this is happening on the server on my time zone UK you failed understand this is a no go for me because most event start after midnight.

I already told you I started a party but with few response from players, when I'm online the Japanese players are online.

So now your complaint is your timezone? That has nothing to do with jobs or anything.

Either way, on Asura, there are EU linkshells. Join one if you can't find any groups around the time you're on, or make a party around the time you're on. It's an MMORPG, communicate.

Why so many excuses? This still doesn't even change the fact that you can solo some of the NMs out in the field with trusts, or duo-trio most of them. It's not that difficult to find people to do these things, even on FFXI.

[dasva]

I would like the idea using the trust for delve boss battle (mega boss) tho, as we already know due to players declining 30min just to group is a load of bull, Most players that have done this will NOT do this again.


Only doing for accessories as gear level is 110 not many would want to do this.

What you talking about? I just did 10 sharks this weekend from random shouts I saw when I happened to be in town with mostly people who had already done it. And they were rather lenient with the jobs. Like we used RUN and I think drk once and I got to blm it up. And during that time also saw several shouts for bee and tojil. And I'm not exactly on a huge sever and alot of the server isn't in my timezone. As already stated even if you have KIs you need plasm to buy stuff so people will be farming plasm

[Jedicrew]

So now your complaint is your timezone? That has nothing to do with jobs or anything.

Either way, on Asura, there are EU linkshells. Join one if you can't find any groups around the time you're on, or make a party around the time you're on. It's an MMORPG, communicate.

UK isn't that radical of a time zone regardless. Your afternoon is prime time for NA players, for example.

Why so many excuses? This still doesn't even change the fact that you can solo some of the NMs out in the field with trusts, or duo-trio most of them. It's not that difficult to find people to do these things, even on FFXI.


There no EU linkshells in fact there's less EU players then before. (let us know if you can find one with players more then 6+)



What you talking about? I just did 10 sharks this weekend from random shouts I saw when I happened to be in town with mostly people who had already done it. And they were rather lenient with the jobs. Like we used RUN and I think drk once and I got to blm it up. And during that time also saw several shouts for bee and tojil. And I'm not exactly on a huge sever and alot of the server isn't in my timezone. As already stated even if you have KIs you need plasm to buy stuff so people will be farming plasm


yeah you did them when I was sleeping because I didn't see any /shouts regarding those fights.

[Shirai]

What you talking about? I just did 10 sharks this weekend from random shouts I saw when I happened to be in town with mostly people who had already done it. And they were rather lenient with the jobs. Like we used RUN and I think drk once and I got to blm it up. And during that time also saw several shouts for bee and tojil. And I'm not exactly on a huge sever and alot of the server isn't in my timezone. As already stated even if you have KIs you need plasm to buy stuff so people will be farming plasm

In his defense though, Bahamut has a considerably higher EU player population than Asura.
Higher than most servers, really.

That said, I do get the impression that the TS isn't even trying to get things done.

[dasva]

yeah you did them when I was sleeping because I didn't see any /shouts regarding those fights.
As I stated different and smaller server bud. Was just using it as an example


In his defense though, Bahamut has a considerably higher EU player population than Asura.
Higher than most servers, really.

That said, I do get the impression that the TS isn't even trying to get things done.

That's the problem though. Yes it's EU and JP populations are great. In fact there are a few good EU merc groups I can use if I can't find shouts and during jp time it's non stop shouting though good luck getting into most of those but it's NA population is crap and I'm PST. Despite that I still see plenty of shouts for the easy stuff like Delve I during my time because it's so easy. But if I want to do harder stuff like delve 2, DM II, or VD fights I basically have to wait for my days off and even then non jp shouts are a bit rare but can still get some done on those days and generally even more of the easy stuff.