Job points, Merit points.

[Nelyus]

Hello,

We earn job points too slowly compared to merit points,
It's easy to cap merit points & almost impossible to cap job points.
I suggest to offer us the possibility to buy job points with our merit points.
Maybe 5-10 merit points to buy 1 job point, I would aim for 9 merits to get 1 job points so that people can go help starting players level up to 99 & earn themselves 5 job points each times they cap their 45 merit points.
Thank you.

[Maikeru_Sylph]

I like the idea of using merit points to purchase job points. +1 from me :)

[Zarchery]

Also you get a crap load of merits while actively farming capacity points. It'd be nice if they stopped going nowhere. I think a 30:1 ratio even would be fair because merit points are so easy. 30,000 capacity points or 300,000 limit points to get 1 job point.

[Fenrirs_Takumi]

That would prolly increase the flow of Abyssean Parties.

[Camate]

As the concepts for merit points and capacity points are different, the development team does not have any plans to address this request; however, they are currently planning to add avenues for earning more capacity points.

[Garota]

Well I hope whatever it is that they decide to do about my SMN's job points is well worth it. They're nearly non-existent compared to other jobs, SAM, BRD, and WHM will always have access to capacity point parties no matter what. I tried out Walk of Echoes and its payout isn't as great as entering relevant content like Incursion, Delve, Skirmish where the capacity points and job points just keep rolling on and on.

[Protey]

Well I hope whatever it is that they decide to do about my SMN's job points is well worth it. They're nearly non-existent compared to other jobs, SAM, BRD, and WHM will always have access to capacity point parties no matter what. I tried out Walk of Echoes and its payout isn't as great as entering relevant content like Incursion, Delve, Skirmish where the capacity points and job points just keep rolling on and on.

My LS brings SMN to incursion and delve. find a better group to roll with.

[raps1355]

Need to do something as its quite a feat to have 10/10 in a single category on a job never mind 10/10 on all cats in a single job. Im not sure what the original intent was for job points but if it was designed as further growth for specialists on a particular job that not everyone was supposed to have then the categories need beefing up to provide clear distinction between someone with and without. Otherwise we need faster options but not to the point everyone has it 10/10 all jobs. Ideally want to it be high level near top gear but lowman.

[Minikom]

the idea isnt bad, some jobs dont invite often to events where you can earn Job points or they are terrible to kill mobs solo, example smn or bst, the speed how other jobs earn job points compareted to those 2 is unbalanced, adding something to balance this would be cool, also since SE doesnt support PS2 on NA and EU, some our friends cant join to soa stuff (Thanks SE ) and we'd like see how you guys can fix this to let those guys get job points for thier jobs

[Protey]

the idea isnt bad, some jobs dont invite often to events where you can earn Job points or they are terrible to kill mobs solo, example smn or bst, the speed how other jobs earn job points compareted to those 2 is unbalanced, adding something to balance this would be cool, also since SE doesnt support PS2 on NA and EU, some our friends cant join to soa stuff (Thanks SE ) and we'd like see how you guys can fix this to let those guys get job points for thier jobs

can't believe people still play on PS2. but ok, since you are and you aren't going to events in SoA, those JP are pretty much not going to be used as all pre-SoA content is ridiculously easy. maybe you want them for completion sake. you can still go kill things in other zones (like worms and pygmatoise in gustav tunnel) to get your job points. you can even get job points in dyna. while these options don't give nearly as many capacity points as incursion, the mobs are a lot lower level. this is only logical. the option is still there, you can still get your job points, there is no reason for anyone to complain. especially all you people who like to solo/low man instead of join a group in incursion.

all i hear from this entire thread is "waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh". stop it already. JP are soloable. use your trusts. you can play the game without JP, they are just nice to have. funny how people think just cuz something exists that they are entitled to it. and that it should just be handed to you. what's the point of a game if everything is just given to you. a non-challenging game is not a game at all. part of what makes things worthwhile is the journey or as some call it "the grind". Yes some jobs have it easier getting JP because they are more likely to go to certain events. Well guess what, life isn't fair. suck it up. Certain jobs can solo NMs that the other 20 jobs classes can't. A certain job can do two to three times the damage of all others. woop de doo. everyone is afforded the opportunity to get JP.... just like in life everyone is afforded an opportunity to live it, some just do it faster/better than others. stop complaining, get on with it. you're wasting valuable JP farming time.

[Tidis]

all i hear from this entire thread is "waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh". stop it already
This seems to be your common response to people complaining about the JP system, from what little research I did, I found you as a player have 3 mythics, 7 relics and 3 empyreans, you must realise you don't stand for the average player when you shoot people down everytime they have genuine complaints about capacity points, the average player probably has 1 or 2 relics maybe an empyrean or 2 (only at 90 maximum) and certainly no mythics.

The only reason I will criticise here is that despite seemingly falling under the hardcore category of player you are instantly dismissing the opinions of others who may fall under the casual category and not getting enjoyment out of the capacity points system.

[Protey]

This seems to be your common response to people complaining about the JP system, from what little research I did, I found you as a player have 3 mythics, 7 relics and 3 empyreans, you must realise you don't stand for the average player when you shoot people down everytime they have genuine complaints about capacity points, the average player probably has 1 or 2 relics maybe an empyrean or 2 (only at 90 maximum) and certainly no mythics.

The only reason I will criticise here is that despite seemingly falling under the hardcore category of player you are instantly dismissing the opinions of others who may fall under the casual category and not getting enjoyment out of the capacity points system.

what genuine complaint. your analysis is flawed as well. i actually pointed out that casual players can get enjoyment out of the capacity points system, even those not in SoA. capacity points are SOLOABLE. so what if you don't get them as fast as others, you're a casual player, that's what you get for being casual. to expect a casual player to have what someone who puts in way more time/effort does is ridiculous. they will eventually have it, it will just take longer. And if people want to get them faster on w/e job they want.... guess what. they can go form their own parties and enter incursion. Do stuff for yourself people, geez. stop expecting things to be given to you.

[Protey]

This seems to be your common response to people complaining about the JP system, from what little research I did, I found you as a player have 3 mythics, 7 relics and 3 empyreans, you must realise you don't stand for the average player when you shoot people down everytime they have genuine complaints about capacity points, the average player probably has 1 or 2 relics maybe an empyrean or 2 (only at 90 maximum) and certainly no mythics.

The only reason I will criticise here is that despite seemingly falling under the hardcore category of player you are instantly dismissing the opinions of others who may fall under the casual category and not getting enjoyment out of the capacity points system.

o, and btw. i have hardly any JP myself. why? cuz i spend my time making REMs. i don't complain about it. i get them when i can. if they are that big of a deal to people, they can go focus on getting them.

[Tidis]

o, and btw. i have hardly any JP myself. why? cuz i spend my time making REMs. i don't complain about it. i get them when i can. if they are that big of a deal to people, they can go focus on getting them.

Isn't that more proof that the system currently doesn't work? Casual players have limited time and don't want to spend it grinding job points, while more hardcore players would rather do other activities deemed more productive than farm job points.

[Protey]

Isn't that more proof that the system currently doesn't work? Casual players have limited time and don't want to spend it grinding job points, while more hardcore players would rather do other activities deemed more productive than farm job points.

no it doesn't prove that the system currently doesn't work. they are in no way necessary to play the game. they are "nice to have". just because something exists doesn't mean you are entitled to it. if you want it, work for it.

[Malithar]

Isn't that more proof that the system currently doesn't work? Casual players have limited time and don't want to spend it grinding job points, while more hardcore players would rather do other activities deemed more productive than farm job points.

Depending on the JSE capes you're after, I'd argue Incursion (the best JP activity besides grinding them in Dho/Woh) is a very productive activity. RNG is annoying, sure, but some of the capes are pretty powerful for a single slot. Incursion also has the side benefit of having a cape that can give an additional +10-50% CPs.

As for grinding them out, high tier BCs are still in demand for either their gear or their tales. Make it a point to merit back to cap in Dho/Woh/Incursion rather than Aby or VW.

[Tidis]

Depending on the JSE capes you're after, I'd argue Incursion (the best JP activity besides grinding them in Dho/Woh) is a very productive activity. RNG is annoying, sure, but some of the capes are pretty powerful for a single slot. Incursion also has the side benefit of having a cape that can give an additional +10-50% CPs.

As for grinding them out, high tier BCs are still in demand for either their gear or their tales. Make it a point to merit back to cap in Dho/Woh/Incursion rather than Aby or VW.

As of yesterday I started getting exp in Dho gates with a WHM and trust NPCs, used Joachim + Ulmia for songs and Koru-Moru for Haste II, Refresh II, was hoping he'd use distract but after eating sushi I suppose his AI decided that my accuracy vs the mobs evasion (Jagils in this case) was too large to bother so the WHM just did distract and dia 2 on every mob. I was on PLD, probably not the best merit/jp farming job but that's what I wanted job points on, I got about 120k exp/hr and 16k cp/hr without rings.

Got a couple job points out of it but was kinda slow, still I'd rather get job points than mindlessly burn in Abyssea which bores me to no end. I do wonder if I should have gone /dnc and dual wielded swords though, rather than /war sword + shield.

[Malithar]

Snag a DD friend as a 6th and do the mentioned /Dnc bit and you'll be rocking them pretty good. Those pugils and crabs only have about 14-15kish HP. Did something similar earlier today actually, though it was Sam, Drk, Geo, Ulmia, Joachim, and Koru. I didn't keep an accurate tally, but with a 50% CP cape, 2x charges of Capacity Ring and about 70ish minutes of grinding, I pulled in 4 JPs.

[Tidis]

It would certainly be nice to have one of those incursion capes, never actually done incursion so for now I'll have to go with normal capacity point gain.

[Mxsx]

PLD+Dagger + Marj + pull everything = win.

Dual swords /laugh.

[Vausion]

Yes have to agree that a reward as to have its challenges and not just given but when you spend a week playing and to get one job point that's somewhat ridiculous. but still worth the grind the game has to become major easy in old areas , so if SE is oing to make it easier to get make sure theirs a challenge to it or I just dount see the pont. On the other hand having to walk an hour to get some where is a grind that the game has ha in the past I just hope that the fast travel sytem continues , The biggest thing in the old way was what I called the grind walkng and walkng to get a part of a quest done or jsut to view a CS. Thank you and this is my first post hope its ok/

[Vitus]

Seriously, they need to loosen up this stingy job point thing, ~100cp per mob, 30,000cp per point? Only "abnormal" people would think it is ok. There are 20 jobs to have fun with, not just a single job per character. People have a life and responsibilities, not sitting in front of a computer and FFXI all day long. For those people that's against idea of them giving more JP, there is nothing bad going to happen, really. You will get more JP in shorter amount of time and at the end of the day, you will be very happy about it. It is a win for you also!

[Protey]

if you're only getting one job point a week urdoingitwrong. One run of incursion and i get like two job points.... that's 45 minutes. One NM in there gives at least 3k capacity points, and most groups can kill at least two NMs per run. Most of the mobs in there are giving me about 500 capacity points per kill. The assistants to the NMs give over 2k capacity points. If you're having trouble with capacity points.... either go with your LS or join a shout group to go do incursion. Vitus, it's not abnormal to think it is ok on the amount of CP we get. Stop complaining, go play the game more efficiently. Or as is a popular term: "suck less". I've said it before and I'll say it again: just because something exists doesn't mean you are entitled to it. Stop expecting things to be handed to you, there is no point in playing a game in which that happens. Achieving things because you had to work at them is what makes things worthwhile/valuable. Imagine this game where no one has to work for anything, and there are no choices. everyone is maxed out on all merits in all categories, everyone has all job points, everyone has all the best, previously hard to get gear, all mobs you just show up and hit them once and they fall over dead. what's the point. you might as well be watching TV. Stop complaining, stop asking for stuff to be given to you. All of you instant gratification people make me sick. Work for something once in your life. Enjoy the journey.

[Zarchery]

I've picked up about 115 total job points on Monk, maybe about 2/3 of those solo, the rest from a couple of good Woh Gates parties. It's 55 job points to cap any one category, 330 to cap all for an entire job. I've capped Chakra on Monk because I'm Chakra obsessed (I now get 1,328 recovered, not counting what the Regen effect of Invigorate gives me). I'm actually hoarding points now because devs mentioned they're gonna raise the per-category cap from 10 to 30 at some point.

The upside of the job points system is that most of the job points suck. That sorta makes it a "why even bother?" thing.

The big downside is that they're all job specific. Yeah I can do them on Monk at a decently steady clip of about 18,000 per hour, but I don't have that luxury on White Mage. I could set up a Woh Gates party, but those damn mobs are so evasive most parties do terribly if you don't have Bard doing Madrigal. Which means that, like in 2006, your party falls apart if the Bard has to leave. I thought we were past that! I have Bard, and I could bring it.... but I don't want Bard job points.

I really think the system would be fine if they just got rid of that stupid job-specificness part.