Please SE lower the sparks requirements for Rem Chapters 1-5

[Spectreman]

So hard to get a party for those SKNM nowadays, i returned recently and no one shouts for that and shouting for it doesn't help me either.

My only option is through sparks and 7500 for EACH is too much imo. You guys from SE could think about lowering the cost of each chapetr 1-5 to at least 5000 sparks each?

[Stompa]

One of the problems is that people spammed the Bcnms a lot at the beginning, and some people have stocks of hundreds of chapters and don't need to do the bcnm again for a long time.

My LS friend has hundreds of chapter 1-5's, because he farmed the bcnms on solo when trusts were allowed to be called in the bcnm, it became possible to solo the medium tier battles. He was trying to get the actual items in the bcnm and he got hundreds of chapters by the time he got the item he wanted.

[Xantavia]

Have you upgraded your AF to +1 in order to cut the cost from 10 down to 5? I have 3 pieces of gear at 109, and 4 at 119, all with REM tales bought with sparks. If you log on and kill 30 mobs a day (overlap limited time challenge and daily kills) you can get 2 copper vouchers and turn them in for 1000 sparks each. It may feel like it takes a long time, but if are playing solo anyway, it won't really matter.

[Bebekeke]

7500 sparks is SO easy to get.

Especially if you have any mules, since you can do daily rewards on them as well, and send the rem tale chapters to your main from them.

And, if you have a friend, ask them to join you in a party and cast protect on them 50 times. voila! 2100 sparks and 3 copper vouchers. Per character.

[Alhanelem]

One of the problems is that people spammed the Bcnms a lot at the beginning, and some people have stocks of hundreds of chapters and don't need to do the bcnm again for a long time.

My LS friend has hundreds of chapter 1-5's, because he farmed the bcnms on solo when trusts were allowed to be called in the bcnm, it became possible to solo the medium tier battles. He was trying to get the actual items in the bcnm and he got hundreds of chapters by the time he got the item he wanted.I realize it probably depends on the job and the bcnm but now that you can (again, apparently) use trust in the BCs, I had tried to solo one on Very Easy (not being sure how difficult it would be) as a GEO/SCH, with all ilvl gear 109 or higher and I got FLATTENED. on "Very Easy." (It was one of the Sacrificial Chamber ones, the one with 4 sahagin- I slept them as guides said but they only stayed slept for a matter of seconds and the mobs had a TON of HP- I didn't even kill one before they wiped my NPCs then myself). might try again having you say that with my PUP which is near full 119 now, but I was pretty discouraged that I couldn't do "very easy" with 3 NPCs and readily available ilvl gear.

[Stompa]

I realize it probably depends on the job and the bcnm but now that you can (again, apparently) use trust in the BCs, I had tried to solo one on Very Easy (not being sure how difficult it would be) as a GEO/SCH, with all ilvl gear 109 or higher and I got FLATTENED. on "Very Easy." (It was one of the Sacrificial Chamber ones, the one with 4 sahagin- I slept them as guides said but they only stayed slept for a matter of seconds and the mobs had a TON of HP- I didn't even kill one before they wiped my NPCs then myself). might try again having you say that with my PUP which is near full 119 now, but I was pretty discouraged that I couldn't do "very easy" with 3 NPCs and readily available ilvl gear.

I haven't solo'd them myself, but on my LS is a Blue Mage who solo's those for the gil items and for fun. He joked that if he ever built a house in Vanadiel, he would build it out of REM chapters 1-5 because he's got hundreds lol. He uses the cure trusts and he kills the mobs by sleeping them when this is possible, and fighting them one by one. I know he does Easy mode a lot but also Normal sometimes. I duoed with him once when I needed chapters, and he has good strategies for each bcnm.

Btw I wasn't saying that soloing bcnm was a way for people to farm chapters, if they are new players or have low-end gear. I was just saying that one of the reasons less people are joining PUGs for these fights is that quite a few people have been soloing them and have chapters in storage in the hopes they will be of use for Empyrean armors.

[Makenshi]

I was able to solo the antican one on very easy with my BLU (fairly average gear) and trusts. but in the end i started running out of seals ;_;

[Afania]

So hard to get a party for those SKNM nowadays, i returned recently and no one shouts for that and shouting for it doesn't help me either.

My only option is through sparks and 7500 for EACH is too much imo. You guys from SE could think about lowering the cost of each chapetr 1-5 to at least 5000 sparks each?

You can either solo VE or farm sparks in abyssea, it takes less than 30 min to farm 7500 sparks.

[geekgirl101]

Don't need less sparks or that makes it too easy.

[Olor]

Frankly I'd like to see the 6-10 chapters get a bit of a price cut. Haven't earned enough sparks for even 1 level 119 piece and I've been working on it for a couple months. Even 10K each would be more reasonable. I don't have access to a lot of the battles that drop these...

In before someone who has full 119 everything on several jobs and a couple cheated mythic weapons pops in to complain about solo players DARING to ask for a change that could make playing a bit more rewarding.

[Alhanelem]

There's two great ways to farm sparks: Monstrosity and Abyssea. The former works for pretty much anyone, the latter is better if you have a job with spammable AOE. I went into Abyssea on GEO, stacked up magic boosting atmas and trained up colibri and spiders and -ra nuked the crap out of them with the "deal 500 damage 200 times" objective- you can easily complete that in a couple pulls since every monster hit counts. You can use your geomancy to avoid more damage and boost your nukes. BLU has been AoE killing stuff like that since abyssea existed (of course BLU has been doing this a lot longer)

[Mitruya]

Frankly I'd like to see the 6-10 chapters get a bit of a price cut. Haven't earned enough sparks for even 1 level 119 piece and I've been working on it for a couple months. Even 10K each would be more reasonable. I don't have access to a lot of the battles that drop these...

Ch.1-5 aren't so bad but this I would agree with.

[geekgirl101]

A minor drop would be nice for 6-10k sparks, but if they make it too easy to buy those with sparks then people won't want to bother with the difficult BCNMs. A drop in how many capacity points needed for a job point would be more welcome though. :P

[Rhonda]

Frankly I'd like to see the 6-10 chapters get a bit of a price cut. Haven't earned enough sparks for even 1 level 119 piece and I've been working on it for a couple months. Even 10K each would be more reasonable. I don't have access to a lot of the battles that drop these...

In before someone who has full 119 everything on several jobs and a couple cheated mythic weapons pops in to complain about solo players DARING to ask for a change that could make playing a bit more rewarding.Olor always delivers. An MMO shouldn't be designed around solo-players. Low-man? Maybe. Solo? No. Get a friend or two.

[Afania]

This is no longer the case, the whole genre has changed. Like it or not you're stuck in the past.

Every modern mmo (and ffxi is being modernised) aims content at solo and group play but MMO does not mean group only designs.



Just because a lot of the "modern mmo" are solo friendly, doesn't mean it's a good design.

I recall one of the review for TESO gave it 6/10 or something because it has too much solo. Majority of the MMO players on MMORPG.come also complained about "modern MMO" being too solo friendly.

The fact is, most modern MMO die in 2~3 years and generally less fun than single player games when it comes to solo content. "Other MMOs are solo friendly" is barely a good reason to suggest FFXI should be solo friendly as well.

Even FFXIV, whcih is another MMO made by SE, is a lot more group oriented than FFXI.
MMO content should base on group content period. If you enjoy solo just go play single player games, which is often 100x more fun than a solo MMO.



Because they like playing FFXI, who are you to tell someone else how to play the game. Work for SE and design FFXI and maybe what you say matters otherwise your opinion is no more worthwhile than someone that logs on once a week and solo's for sparks for 10 mins to get some gear.

You don't have to be a good player to play ffxi and you don't have to want to do alliance conetnt either, it's living breathing world of players with different levels of abilities and desires of what they want in an mmo. One of the best things about ffxi as opposed to other mmo titles is that variety of content and players.

I think it's the matter of some ppl just pop on the forum and ask "I want this to be easier!" when they faced difficulty, instead of ask for advice on how to do stuff more efficiently.

No one is asking every player to "be good or want alliance content" in this entire thread. Most of the time, a bit of research or make friends can make the game a lot easier.....and more fun(IMO) to play as well.

[Afania]

Frankly I'd like to see the 6-10 chapters get a bit of a price cut. Haven't earned enough sparks for even 1 level 119 piece and I've been working on it for a couple months. Even 10K each would be more reasonable. I don't have access to a lot of the battles that drop these...

In before someone who has full 119 everything on several jobs and a couple cheated mythic weapons pops in to complain about solo players DARING to ask for a change that could make playing a bit more rewarding.


You seriously have an issue with anyone that has better gears than you don't you? You either want them to quit so you can catch up, or try to hint they're all cheaters if they present opposite opinions.

You don't need a mythic nor full 119 AF to disagree with solo content in a MMORPG. Anyone that loves the MMO aspect of MMORPG has right to express opinions against solo content.

[Zarchery]

FYI you can currently get Chapters 1-5 for 2000 login points each during the current login campaign.

[Shirai]

FYI you can currently get Chapters 1-5 for 2000 login points each during the current login campaign.

You're better off spending them on SKC though, 2000 LP will net you 66 of them, which should net you 3 or more Chapters through the BCNMs.

[Bebekeke]

Frankly I'd like to see the 6-10 chapters get a bit of a price cut. Haven't earned enough sparks for even 1 level 119 piece and I've been working on it for a couple months. Even 10K each would be more reasonable. I don't have access to a lot of the battles that drop these...

In before someone who has full 119 everything on several jobs and a couple cheated mythic weapons pops in to complain about solo players DARING to ask for a change that could make playing a bit more rewarding.

All I see here is "I can't be bothered to do the VERY EASY (since level cap was removed) mission fights to get access to a lot of the battles that drop these."

Frankly, if you can't be bothered to do the original mission battles, that can be done naked, you wouldn't bother to do the high-tier ones to get the rem chapters anyway; even if you did have access.

[mattkoko]

I have to agree with with Afania. These people are lucky they are even allowed to get chapters solo at all. Besides, the battle fields are not that hard to get access too. You can probably get to sky in a week or 2 depending on how casual you are. Same with Sea. It is sad to see that no one wants to do content anymore. No one wants to do the story lines when Final Fantasy is known for their story telling. Olor has been complaining for months about not having access to these battle fields and other content through story lines, where if she stepped out of the forum to stop complaining with in that time, she would have access by now. I was able to get chapters 6-10 with the AAs alone and I still see shouts for those. According to you, I probably cheated to get them.

which brings me to your cheating comment on getting a mythic. The only way you can get a mythic easy is if you win the bonanza events. Other then that, there is no easy way or "cheating" way about it. People that have mythics worked their ass off to get them. As far me, I have no mythics but I do have a couple jobs in 119 gear and I am not even a hardcore player anymore. The difference is that I am not afraid to get my hands a little dirty to get it.

As far as chapters 1-5 go, Most, if not all of the battle fields can be soloed now with trusts. Hell, I was able to solo a few of them on normal with Blu. Even if you get 2 or 3 others with you, you can still get these chapters through battlefields with out having to farm sparks for hours. And by the way, these last couple of lines are not meant to sound snarky. I just think it is worth it to point out that you do not need a full party to make progress with chapters 1-5. It may take a little research and planning and trial and error depending on what job you try to solo or duo with in the battle fields, but I know for a fact if you have blu, you can solo all chapters 1-5. And if you don't have a lot of sacred crests, don't forget you can trade other seals for them with the guy next to the one you get the orb from.

Now, to close this, I have a question for some of you. Have you ever played a game to get every weapon and every piece of gear or skill in the game just to quit and never play the game again (or at least until you are bored and come back months or years later)? Personally, I have, and I am sure I am not alone in this. Fact is if things get made too easy to get or less grind, once you get everything, really, what else is their left to do, other then just standing around in Jeuno showing off your gear. Pay to Play MMOs needs grind content for people to continue to pay the monthly fee. Otherwise, forget about making things easier, you won't even be able to play because the servers will be down. Why, you ask? Because everyone has everything and has moved on. Even now, I know some hardcore players that leave when they get everything and come back when ever new content is released. If things get made any easier then they are now, there will be no reason for anyone to subscribe. or at least not until they raise the cap to 129.

[Spectreman]

There's two great ways to farm sparks: Monstrosity and Abyssea. The former works for pretty much anyone, the latter is better if you have a job with spammable AOE. I went into Abyssea on GEO, stacked up magic boosting atmas and trained up colibri and spiders and -ra nuked the crap out of them with the "deal 500 damage 200 times" objective- you can easily complete that in a couple pulls since every monster hit counts. You can use your geomancy to avoid more damage and boost your nukes. BLU has been AoE killing stuff like that since abyssea existed (of course BLU has been doing this a lot longer)


Yea, thats what 'im doing. Besides that i got chapters II and III done already with PUGs, all im looking for is chapter I.

[Spectreman]

FYI you can currently get Chapters 1-5 for 2000 login points each during the current login campaign.


You're better off spending them on SKC though, 2000 LP will net you 66 of them, which should net you 3 or more Chapters through the BCNMs.


You 2 pointed good options. Maybe SE will take a look at this in the future and lower the spark costs for 1-5, 6-10 in the future since its almost a forgotten event by now.

[Olor]

I have to agree with with Afania. These people are lucky they are even allowed to get chapters solo at all. Besides, the battle fields are not that hard to get access too. You can probably get to sky in a week or 2 depending on how casual you are. Same with Sea. It is sad to see that no one wants to do content anymore. No one wants to do the story lines when Final Fantasy is known for their story telling. Olor has been complaining for months about not having access to these battle fields and other content through story lines, where if she stepped out of the forum to stop complaining with in that time, she would have access by now. I was able to get chapters 6-10 with the AAs alone and I still see shouts for those. According to you, I probably cheated to get them.

which brings me to your cheating comment on getting a mythic. The only way you can get a mythic easy is if you win the bonanza events. Other then that, there is no easy way or "cheating" way about it. People that have mythics worked their ass off to get them. As far me, I have no mythics but I do have a couple jobs in 119 gear and I am not even a hardcore player anymore. The difference is that I am not afraid to get my hands a little dirty to get it.


Apparently you missed the part where people were soloing thousands of alex a day by using hacks ... then got 3 day bans. That's not cheating? Ok. If you say so.

lol, "lucky" that we're allowed to get chapters solo. Hate to break it to you but this game needs people to pay it's sub fees. My money is worth just as much as yours, and frankly if this game loses all the players like me it won't be around very much longer.

I do not see the reason why people get up in arms about others enjoying the game in their own way. How does it hurt you if I don't want to do mission battles but prefer to work on current gear instead? I've said it a million times. I have zero interest in logging on and doing nothing but watching cut scenes for hours on end, then two-shotting a boring battle. Geeze.

At any rate, I have access to some of the battles but I don't want to do them. I don't want to be stuck on BRD or ignored completely. I want to play my BST. Besides no one shouts for almost any of those battles, and no, I don't feel like spending my free time shouting for people to make a party. I want to log in, derp around a bit, get some sparks and make progress on my gear.

I can do that now, but the pace is glacial and I don't think it's well balanced.

Why does it bother you that I want to be able to log in for an hour and make some solo progress without having to beg for help or beg others to let me join their groups even though I am not PERFECTLY geared or playing the "right" job?

If I just want to derp around on BST and get some chapters, what's your problem? If I think it's not very balanced in terms of how long it takes to get chapters solo, why do you argue against it? You can get way more chapters than me doing your elite group content on SAM or RNG.

You don't want my BST in groups. You don't want my BST to be on equal footing ("It's a solo job herp derp!") - yet you don't want my BST to be able to do anything meaningful solo in a reasonable amount of time? Ok. w/e

[Afania]

lol, "lucky" that we're allowed to get chapters solo. Hate to break it to you but this game needs people to pay it's sub fees. My money is worth just as much as yours, and frankly if this game loses all the players like me it won't be around very much longer.

I do not see the reason why people get up in arms about others enjoying the game in their own way. How does it hurt you if I don't want to do mission battles but prefer to work on current gear instead? I've said it a million times. I have zero interest in logging on and doing nothing but watching cut scenes for hours on end, then two-shotting a boring battle. Geeze.


Just because you pay for a sub fee(and doesn't bother to log on and play the game), doesn't make your opinion weight more than others, to a point that you can call others "cheaters" or ask them to quit if they dare to express different opinions.

Also stop acting as if 90% of players are the same as you, or have some opinion as you, so the game should built/designed just for you.

I didn't say anything about you shouldn't enjoy the content, you want solo content, there's solo content for you. But you're not asking for solo content, you're asking for items to handed to you so you can continue to pay for a sub and get items without playing the game, then act as if you're legit to represent "majority" of the player in this game so you can bash anyone with different opinions. So if SE doesn't listen to mighty Olor's opinion the game will die because Olor is the majority.

Get_real. Let's face it, majority of the players in this game actually spend time to.....play the game, instead of refuse to play the game and want items handed to them, then bash anyone with different opinion by telling them to quit or assume they're cheaters.

FFXI isn't going to die if players like you all quit, since players like you who doesn't log on/pt with others doesn't contribute a thing to server population nor make pt easier to make. If current server has 600 players on NA time, it's still gonna be 600 after you quit because you're already not playing the game anyways.

What keeps a MMO going is more than just players paying $$, but also players playing with each others. There's no point running a MMO with empty servers but 1M sub paying a monthly fee but not playing the game.

[Kensagaku]

While I don't agree with the aggressive tone on either side, I do agree that chapters aren't really all that bad to get. I think for me it comes down to a simple point:

Olor - Solo, the rate is fine. You may not make huge amounts of progress, but you are still making progress. Is it slow? Yes. But this is the price of playing solo in an MMO; you have a slower rate because you're doing it alone. If you want to complain about the rate of solo, join a group. I know you don't want to be "stuck on bard" but there's a [Change Jobs] button for a reason, and it's not just one way; use your Bard to get the pages you want so that you can level the job you enjoy, and then play that job. If you have to deal with Bard to unlock gear for your Beastmaster, is that really such a bad thing?

Additionally, if you're so set on doing it on BST, I still fail to see why you can't solo VE battlefields. Slow pace? Sure, but faster than sparks! All you need is a 119 axe and a fair amount of pet food, and most of the BCs are easy. Hell, my Beastmaster is far from "elite" and I've still soloed several of them. Get Hurkan's axe for a 115 (it's a decent offhand until later, if you're not offhanding a PDT Astolfo for pet durability), or beat the Bee delve (hint: you might have to go on BRD to get the clear/plasm, and then you unlock a shiny for your BST! Change jobs button strikes again). Even if you really, really don't want to solo VEs? You can also AE burn up sparks. Do the 500+ damage one, grab a dagger and go /dnc, head to abyssea to toss on some MAB and Regen atmas, and go nuts. Each AE should break 500 damage, and within a few pulls, objective complete for 1k sparks and 5k exp. Toss on the region's objective as well, net some bonus for every 30 you kill. Lookie there, easy solo method for your sparks farming. Or head out to Adoulin areas, toss on the area objective for a specific mob, their crystal (as long as you have Ionis), 500+ damage, and farm mobs for CP/EXP, there's more easy sparks.

I personally think the current setup is fine. I've bought tons of chapters from sparks because I missed out on a lot of the rush. I almost always have 500+ damage set, so between doing Dynamis on THF or BLU, Salvage on BLU or DRG, or just running around soloing CP in Marjami or Outer Ra'kaznar, I'm racking up points rather rapidly. So 109s really shouldn't be too bad to get. Even on BST, your pet should be able to do 500+ damage in Abyssea, or you could AE cleave small groups, or you can farm CP in areas like Marjami Ravine, Foret, or Morimar. Sparks are -not- hard to get, and the pace is far from glacial, if you know how to do it.

[Zarchery]

I constantly have more sparks than I know what to do with. I've recently taken to buying skillup tomes for weapons for jobs I don't even have leveled. And the process for doing that is a major pain in the ass (buying 20 stacks one stack at a time, then doing the "use item" command 240 times), so much that I start to dread capping sparks. I don't see how some people have so much trouble with this. You can do the Limited Time Challenges up to 4 times a day for 1900 sparks a piece (900 for first completion plus a copper voucher that can be further redeemed for an extra 1,000 sparks). The Daily objective "Vanquish Multiple Enemies (D)" will also net you 1 copper voucher. If you have any mules you can do these objectives on them. While you can't mail the vouchers, you can mail the Rem's chapters.

I dunno. I just think that if you lower the cost to 5,000, that'll still be too high for some people and they'll demand it come down to 2,500 or 1,000.

[Kensagaku]

If you're worried about having too many sparks, convert them to gil. >.> The 71-98 items are roughly a 1:10 sparks->gil conversion if you NPC in capped-fame areas. I think the h2h are 1033 sparks for something like 10.3k gil or something, so you can convert capped sparks to roughly 500kish gil.

[Afania]

My money is worth just as much as yours, and frankly if this game loses all the players like me it won't be around very much longer.


Also to add one extra input....if player A pay for sub and play the game + do group content v.s another player B who pay for sub but refuse to play the game nor pt with others, player A's opinion would worth a lot more weight than player B.

Money wise, both players pay same amount of money, but player A contributes to server population, economy, and put the community together by participating community events.

MMORPG built on community, a MMORPG with tons of active subscription but ghost town everywhere is a dead MMO, even if the company is making money.

Eventually all players would quit cuz nobody would want to pay sub fee to play a ghost town MMO.

If I'm a game dev, I'd WANT player B to play the game more, but I wouldn't make decisions to please player B by making player A quit. Since player A is the core foundation of the game, while player B may not play the game regardless of what you do. If all player A quits, then the game community collapses, if player B quits the game can still function perfectly fine.

Just because all players pay money, doesn't mean their opinion has the same weight. Or else SE would design the game for RMT cuz they pay more money than most other players.

I'm not saying Olor's opinion isn't important, I just think "I pay for sub fee but I don't play the game, thus the game would die if I quit" doesn't make sense at all.

[mattkoko]

Apparently you missed the part where people were soloing thousands of alex a day by using hacks ... then got 3 day bans. That's not cheating? Ok. If you say so.

lol, "lucky" that we're allowed to get chapters solo. Hate to break it to you but this game needs people to pay it's sub fees. My money is worth just as much as yours, and frankly if this game loses all the players like me it won't be around very much longer.


I do not see the reason why people get up in arms about others enjoying the game in their own way. How does it hurt you if I don't want to do mission battles but prefer to work on current gear instead? I've said it a million times. I have zero interest in logging on and doing nothing but watching cut scenes for hours on end, then two-shotting a boring battle. Geeze.

At any rate, I have access to some of the battles but I don't want to do them. I don't want to be stuck on BRD or ignored completely. I want to play my BST. Besides no one shouts for almost any of those battles, and no, I don't feel like spending my free time shouting for people to make a party. I want to log in, derp around a bit, get some sparks and make progress on my gear.

I can do that now, but the pace is glacial and I don't think it's well balanced.

Why does it bother you that I want to be able to log in for an hour and make some solo progress without having to beg for help or beg others to let me join their groups even though I am not PERFECTLY geared or playing the "right" job?

If I just want to derp around on BST and get some chapters, what's your problem? If I think it's not very balanced in terms of how long it takes to get chapters solo, why do you argue against it? You can get way more chapters than me doing your elite group content on SAM or RNG.

You don't want my BST in groups. You don't want my BST to be on equal footing ("It's a solo job herp derp!") - yet you don't want my BST to be able to do anything meaningful solo in a reasonable amount of time? Ok. w/e

Okay so there may be some people that have cheated to get mythic. I honestly did not hear about that and I do admit where I am wrong. However, what about those that did not cheat. See, the way you say it, you make it sound like everyone who has a mythic has cheated to get it which is not true. You also make it sound like your opinion is way above anyone elses. Or at least the ones that disagree with you. So basically anyone that disagrees with you is either elite or a cheater. I have said this before, I love to debate and I love sharing opinions. But you create a hostile situation by saying stuff like, "oh and before anyone comes in here with full 119 everything and cheated mythic weapons etc etc etc." I would not be so snarky with you if you did not whine about everything and if you were actually some what respectful. If you just ended it at your suggestion for the requirement of sparks we would not have this problem.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

It sounds to me like you want everything with out sacrificing anything at all. I know what you are going to say. "I play a game for fun, I shouldn't have to sacrifice anything." Here's the thing. SE can't adapt a game specifically to you or any single person for that matter. No matter what SE does, even if it makes you happy, it will effect someone else in the opposite way and vise-versa. I get it, you want to play your bst. That is fine, nothing is stopping you. Personally, I enjoy playing drk the most. I also understand that I can't get everything I would like for that job just by playing drk alone. Therefore, I am willing to make some sacrifices to get what I want. As far as me being in elite content, doing AAs is hardly elite. Many of the events you get chapters from are hardly elite. You basically made it sound like any content that is group content is elite. You may not have meant it like that, but that is exactly what you are saying.

And to your point about it not effecting anyone else by making chapters easier to farm with sparks, let me ask you this. Where are we going to get people for group content (elite content according to you) if everything is so easy to get solo? Lets use chapters as an example since that is the topic at hand right now. If they make chapters so easy to get from sparks, do you really think there will be enough people to do the battle fields for chapters or any of the other equipment from those battle fields? It may be able to be done but it would certainly be harder considering most of the battle fields, you get at least 2-3 people only after chapters. And if one of those people is a pld, you will have to wait even longer since that person that has pld is farming his chapters by doing sparks since it was made so much easier. The reason why group content survives still is because it is more efficient then soloing. If soloing is made more efficient, there will be no need for delve, incrusion, higher tiered battle fields, skirmishes, etc.

When it all comes down to it, there needs to be some sort of motivation for people to do group things in an MMORPG. Maybe you don't know what that acronym stands for. It means, MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online role-playing game.

[Afania]

Okay so there may be some people that have cheated to get mythic. I honestly did not hear about that and I do admit where I am wrong. However, what about those that did not cheat. See, the way you say it, you make it sound like everyone who has a mythic has cheated to get it which is not true. You also make it sound like your opinion is way above anyone elses. Or at least the ones that disagree with you. So basically anyone that disagrees with you is either elite or a cheater. I have said this before, I love to debate and I love sharing opinions. But you create a hostile situation by saying stuff like, "oh and before anyone comes in here with full 119 everything and cheated mythic weapons etc etc etc." I would not be so snarky with you if you did not whine about everything and if you were actually some what respectful. If you just ended it at your suggestion for the requirement of sparks we would not have this problem.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

It sounds to me like you want everything with out sacrificing anything at all. I know what you are going to say. "I play a game for fun, I shouldn't have to sacrifice anything." Here's the thing. SE can't adapt a game specifically to you or any single person for that matter. No matter what SE does, even if it makes you happy, it will effect someone else in the opposite way and vise-versa. I get it, you want to play your bst. That is fine, nothing is stopping you. Personally, I enjoy playing drk the most. I also understand that I can't get everything I would like for that job just by playing drk alone. Therefore, I am willing to make some sacrifices to get what I want. As far as me being in elite content, doing AAs is hardly elite. Many of the events you get chapters from are hardly elite. You basically made it sound like any content that is group content is elite. You may not have meant it like that, but that is exactly what you are saying.

And to your point about it not effecting anyone else by making chapters easier to farm with sparks, let me ask you this. Where are we going to get people for group content (elite content according to you) if everything is so easy to get solo? Lets use chapters as an example since that is the topic at hand right now. If they make chapters so easy to get from sparks, do you really think there will be enough people to do the battle fields for chapters or any of the other equipment from those battle fields? It may be able to be done but it would certainly be harder considering most of the battle fields, you get at least 2-3 people only after chapters. And if one of those people is a pld, you will have to wait even longer since that person that has pld is farming his chapters by doing sparks since it was made so much easier.

When it all comes down to it, there needs to be some sort of motivation for people to do group things in an MMORPG. Maybe you don't know what that acronym stands for. It means, MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online role-playing game.

You must be new to this forum :) It's not the first time Olor act as if his/her opinion is above everyone else's then proceed to bash anyone dare to disagree....or threaten with "if I quit the game would die, because 95% of the player base has the same opinion as me". Once he/she said he/she wants anyone with better gear than him/her to quit the game so dev can design the game just for Olor.

[Olor]

Also to add one extra input....if player A pay for sub and play the game + do group content v.s another player B who pay for sub but refuse to play the game nor pt with others, player A's opinion would worth a lot more weight than player B.

Money wise, both players pay same amount of money, but player A contributes to server population, economy, and put the community together by participating community events.

MMORPG built on community, a MMORPG with tons of active subscription but ghost town everywhere is a dead MMO, even if the company is making money.

Eventually all players would quit cuz nobody would want to pay sub fee to play a ghost town MMO.

If I'm a game dev, I'd WANT player B to play the game more, but I wouldn't make decisions to please player B by making player A quit.

If player A quits because player B is able to enjoy the game more... than player A is the problem, not the solution.

I'd play more if my favourite jobs were useable in more content. I'd play more if I could make more progress when I did log in, instead of being walled off by not using 3rd party tools and not already having all the best gear. I am not seeing how making it less grindy to get chapters solo makes player A quit... those people are already capped on AF/relic they want, so making it so I can get it doesn't hurt them at all.

[Olor]

Okay so there may be some people that have cheated to get mythic. I honestly did not hear about that and I do admit where I am wrong.

Cool, thanks. I didn't say "everyone" who has a mythic did that, but a LOT of people did. And unfortunately, anyone who made a mythic in the last few months probably got some of that cheated alexandrite from the market, and so benefited from the cheating too.

It was a bit of a snarky remark, admittedly, but it gets tiring having folks who cheat (including using windower and scripts to gear swap for them etc) tell me that I'm a problem because I want to have some chill things to enjoy when I play the game.



And to your point about it not effecting anyone else by making chapters easier to farm with sparks, let me ask you this. Where are we going to get people for group content (elite content according to you) if everything is so easy to get solo? Lets use chapters as an example since that is the topic at hand right now. If they make chapters so easy to get from sparks, do you really think there will be enough people to do the battle fields for chapters or any of the other equipment from those battle fields? It may be able to be done but it would certainly be harder considering most of the battle fields, you get at least 2-3 people only after chapters. And if one of those people is a pld, you will have to wait even longer since that person that has pld is farming his chapters by doing sparks since it was made so much easier. The reason why group content survives still is because it is more efficient then soloing. If soloing is made more efficient, there will be no need for delve, incrusion, higher tiered battle fields, skirmishes, etc.



I think you're missing the point. People already said it in this thread, it's already too late to get groups to do that content for the most part, as people have hundreds of chapters already so no one wants to do it. Also, the other drops aren't really worth anything anymore ... so yeah, not a lot of point. Heck, I barely did any of the BCNMs for 1-6 and I have enough chapters for now to have zero desire to do those battles. So, at this point, once the initial rush is over, it DOES make sense to increase solo opportunities to farm these items. I agree at the beginning it's good to make the rewards skew heavily to groups vs solo, but once lots of people are capped, not so much.

I have lots of chapters 1-6. I don't need them to reduce the spark cost, but that doesn't mean I oppose them reducing the spark costs so that others can get them.

The people who like doing these group battles or who are geared good enough to do them have gotten their chapters. At this point there is zero harm in making it a bit less grindy to solo them.

You're example is flawed because what's really holding groups back now is that most people who want those items already have them. It's hard to get a PLD because Mr. PLD has 200 chapters on his mule already.

Also I highly doubt people would stop doing groups if you reduced the chapter cost from 15K to 10K for example. Still way faster to do groups AND you get the shot at neat gear.

The only people hurt by refusing the lower the cost are those who aren't able to get into groups.

[mattkoko]

You must be new to this forum :) It's not the first time Olor act as if his/her opinion is above everyone else's then proceed to bash anyone dare to disagree....or threaten with "if I quit the game would die, because 95% of the player base has the same opinion as me". Once he/she said he/she wants anyone with better gear than him/her to quit the game so dev can design the game just for Olor.

Not really new to the forum. I been coming in a lot because some times the Dev say something in the forum that they don't mention anywhere else. And I add to the discussion when I feel necessary. However, a lot of times I hold back just because some people make it hostile and I normally avoid confrontation. This time I couldn't help it I guess lol. I am always up for friendly debates and I will admit when I am wrong like I did in my previous post. But Like you say, I notice Olor, makes it sound like she is the only one that plays the game and it must be developed around her and her alone or else it's wrong.

[mattkoko]

Cool, thanks. I didn't say "everyone" who has a mythic did that, but a LOT of people did. And unfortunately, anyone who made a mythic in the last few months probably got some of that cheated alexandrite from the market, and so benefited from the cheating too.

It was a bit of a snarky remark, admittedly, but it gets tiring having folks who cheat (including using windower and scripts to gear swap for them etc) tell me that I'm a problem because I want to have some chill things to enjoy when I play the game.



I think you're missing the point. People already said it in this thread, it's already too late to get groups to do that content for the most part, as people have hundreds of chapters already so no one wants to do it. Also, the other drops aren't really worth anything anymore ... so yeah, not a lot of point. Heck, I barely did any of the BCNMs for 1-6 and I have enough chapters for now to have zero desire to do those battles. So, at this point, once the initial rush is over, it DOES make sense to increase solo opportunities to farm these items. I agree at the beginning it's good to make the rewards skew heavily to groups vs solo, but once lots of people are capped, not so much.

I have lots of chapters 1-6. I don't need them to reduce the spark cost, but that doesn't mean I oppose them reducing the spark costs so that others can get them.

The people who like doing these group battles or who are geared good enough to do them have gotten their chapters. At this point there is zero harm in making it a bit less grindy to solo them.

You're example is flawed because what's really holding groups back now is that most people who want those items already have them. It's hard to get a PLD because Mr. PLD has 200 chapters on his mule already.

Also I highly doubt people would stop doing groups if you reduced the chapter cost from 15K to 10K for example. Still way faster to do groups AND you get the shot at neat gear.

The only people hurt by refusing the lower the cost are those who aren't able to get into groups.

I'm not missing the point. I think the wrong thing is being suggested though. Rather then making chapters easier to solo, I would much rather them focus on balancing more content and/or jobs to help a wider variety of jobs get recruited easier. I may be wrong but I think the main reason people resort to soloing is because they can't get into content with a job they love with out resorting to the most OP jobs. Even you have mentioned that you would love to be able to bring bst to more content or any content for that matter that involves groups (again I admit this is a problem that some jobs cannot get into any group content). Though I have been able to get in some group content on drk, I did have to resort to leveling whm just to boost chances in getting recruited. However, leveling whm was also a personal choice to be more helpful to my ls. Again, sacrifice. Also, if you demonstrate to a couple of groups that you are willing to be flexible to the jobs they need, more people will get to know you, respect you, and see your skill level and in turn, may be more likely to accept you on another job in the future. SE will never be able to make ALL group content that will welcome ALL 22 jobs. The only content that succeeded with that (and still does to some extent) is VW. There has to be some give and take between both developers and the players.

Back on topic though, you also mentioned that people don't need that content for chapters, yet you say they still solo for chapters which completely contradicts your point. I still see shouts to a lot of different battle fields (yes, even AAs which were the very first ones chapters 6-10 if I recall correctly). And since you admitted that some people still need chapters, perhaps they can fill some spots in those battle fields.

Just to recap really quick, I am not fighting your opinion just to fight it. I just think making sparks easier to farm is not the direction to go for anyone. There are enough people in this game to do group content. Just not enough jobs are able to participate in that content. Some people counter this by just leveling the OP job. Not everyone does. If they can open the slots for more people to go on the job they want to go, this thread wouldn't even have to exist. Therefore, I would rather them focus their resources on making it so more jobs can go to group content, rather them turning this into a solo online role-playing game.

[Olor]

Also, if you demonstrate to a couple of groups that you are willing to be flexible to the jobs they need, more people will get to know you, respect you, and see your skill level and in turn, may be more likely to accept you on another job in the future.

I did all the chapters I have on WHM and BRD. I've been plenty flexible with my jobs. I would never even ask my friends to bring me as BST on content because even if my BST was geared twice as well as my other jobs (it isn't) - it would contribute half as much.

Also I don't use 3rd party tools so in terms of performance, it's adequate but it is no where near what people want to see. Also, I'm not the best player. I'm dependable, I listen to instructions, I try to gear well but I'm not going to pretend I'm so awesome on whm or brd or whatever that people will be falling over themselves to invite me on BST... even if BST didn't suck so bad.

I can join groups for these things because my bard is adequate for the task, but honestly sometimes I just come home from work and want to derp around a bit and make progress solo. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that the progress we can make solo is a little less grindy, especially now that the content is no longer prime content.


But Like you say, I notice Olor, makes it sound like she is the only one that plays the game and it must be developed around her and her alone or else it's wrong.

I'm sad that you think so. I don't think that asking for alternate paths for content to be equalized a bit when they are past their prime is asking for the game to be tailored to me. I know I'm not the only player that doesn't love doing missions. I know I'm not the only player that dislikes having to play support in groups pretty much exclusively.

I've tried to be respectful in our conversation, sorry if that hasn't come across the way I wanted it to.

[Xantavia]

I do not see the reason why people get up in arms about others enjoying the game in their own way. How does it hurt you if I don't want to do mission battles but prefer to work on current gear instead? I've said it a million times. I have zero interest in logging on and doing nothing but watching cut scenes for hours on end, then two-shotting a boring battle. Geeze.
If you go through the stories, it will make it easier to get REM tales multiple ways. Not only will it give you access to the rest of the BCNM's, but it will open up more zones to get the first time spark bonus in, along with additional objectives for defeating sky/sea gods or finishing limbus zones.

[mattkoko]

I did all the chapters I have on WHM and BRD. I've been plenty flexible with my jobs. I would never even ask my friends to bring me as BST on content because even if my BST was geared twice as well as my other jobs (it isn't) - it would contribute half as much.

Also I don't use 3rd party tools so in terms of performance, it's adequate but it is no where near what people want to see. Also, I'm not the best player. I'm dependable, I listen to instructions, I try to gear well but I'm not going to pretend I'm so awesome on whm or brd or whatever that people will be falling over themselves to invite me on BST... even if BST didn't suck so bad.

I can join groups for these things because my bard is adequate for the task, but honestly sometimes I just come home from work and want to derp around a bit and make progress solo. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that the progress we can make solo is a little less grindy, especially now that the content is no longer prime content.



I'm sad that you think so. I don't think that asking for alternate paths for content to be equalized a bit when they are past their prime is asking for the game to be tailored to me. I know I'm not the only player that doesn't love doing missions. I know I'm not the only player that dislikes having to play support in groups pretty much exclusively.

I've tried to be respectful in our conversation, sorry if that hasn't come across the way I wanted it to.

I don't use 3rd party tools either. The most cheating I do is open up FFXIAH.com and stalk shouts from there so I can do other stuff rather then stand around in Jeuno.

And I dont have any problems with what you say. It is how you say it. I didn't have any problems with your previous posts since it was just the sharing of opinions. Maybe it was just coincidence but I just noticed you being snarky in a couple of recent posts.

[Afania]

If player A quits because player B is able to enjoy the game more... than player A is the problem, not the solution.

I'd play more if my favourite jobs were useable in more content. I'd play more if I could make more progress when I did log in, instead of being walled off by not using 3rd party tools and not already having all the best gear. I am not seeing how making it less grindy to get chapters solo makes player A quit... those people are already capped on AF/relic they want, so making it so I can get it doesn't hurt them at all.


If player A quits because player B demand to play the MMO like a single player game, then it's player A's problem.

But if player B quits because player B can't enjoy what player A enjoys, then it's not player B's problem.

That's some serious double standard, isn't it. Once again it's "the game should focus on making Olor happy, idc about everyone else. If you don't like my opinion it's your problem"

Sorry to be blunt, IMO it's certainly your own problem that you're unwilling to compromise to make progress. There are thousand ways to make progress that's more than just use 3rd pt tool or change jobs.

I don't use 3rd pt tool and I never get complaint from other players for not using it. In fact most players from PUG don't use it either. The game is very playable without tools, including jobs like WHM. In my case I try to compromise by using different macros, or make a FC/cure pot hybrid set for WHM. Or study enemy status aliments before entering events, and spams haste whenever I get a chance to to avoid buff drop. Those are the compromise I made for not using the tools.

I also don't play bandwagon jobs, however I try to make friends and social with them whenever I get a chance. If they're /shouting for jobs I don't have, I spent time to send /tell and explain why my jobs can replace a bandwagon jobs in events and get the job done. Sometimes when they ask me to change jobs, I just came up with 100 excuses and dodge the requests, eventually I still get to play my jobs. Those are the compromise I made for not playing bandwagon jobs.

I don't have every single gears as well, but if there's a gear I can get solo, I sure don't mind reading texts from the WoTG CS for moonshade.

You spent lots of time reading posts on the forum and replying them, but you're unwilling to watch a 3 min CS in mission BC for 119 AF fight access? The time you spent on the forum you could have finish it 10 times already.

"I don't want to watch CS, I don't want to make friends, I don't want to play other jobs, I don't want to try to convince others to invite my jobs, I don't want to log on for more than a couple of hours, I want to make progress but I think sparks took too long to farm, I don't want to change how I play at all. I think the game should give me gears more easily so I can make progress faster without any compromise for what I want to do in game"

Sounds like "Me, me, this should please ME only! If this isn't for me then it's everyone else's problem!" all over. I'm not entirely convinced that this isn't your own personal problem at all. At least 95% of the players I encounter in game compromise at one point of time to make progress, those who doesn't compromise doesn't complain/bash others on the forum either. Players with 0 room to compromise AND bash anyone with different opinions are certainly the minority.

Or rather, if others can compromise to make progress, why can't you?

As previously stated, it is fact that players in MMORPG would tend to solo, unless pt gets better reward. Thus solo in a MMORPG should never yield good reward or else everyone would just solo, the connection between friends/ls would be destroyed.

If SE hand out gears more easily solo just because player B(who doesn't log on) enjoys to solo, it'd destroy the community because everyone would just ended up soloing. If player A quit because of that, it's not player A's issue.

If player B is unhappy because player B only wants to solo and refuse to do anything else, and not happy with the solo progress, IMO it's player B's issue. The issue being player B is currently playing a MMORPG and insist to play like a single player game.



I think you're missing the point. People already said it in this thread, it's already too late to get groups to do that content for the most part, as people have hundreds of chapters already so no one wants to do it.

While I agree that this is an issue, since this game is a MMORPG, IMO the better way to fix the problem is to give out more incentive for ppl to help with the fight, instead of handing out gears solo.

If each BC fight gives out 5k~10k CP, even players with capped gears would be willing to help out. We'd see more players do the content as a team.

If SE makes 119 easier to obtain via sparks, everyone and their mother would just want to solo and finish AF119. Nobody would bother to make a pt, make friends, ask for help and help others. FFXI would turn into a terrible game in which we just enter Abyssea and solo for sparks and gears, with 0 /shout in town.

If player A quit because FFXI turn into a ghost town MMO, I don't think that's his/her issue since majority of the players probably don't enjoy a ghost town MMO. IMO it's player B's issue to ask SE to turn FFXI into a ghost town MMO.

[Afania]

Also I highly doubt people would stop doing groups if you reduced the chapter cost from 15K to 10K for example. Still way faster to do groups AND you get the shot at neat gear.


If you count the time to farm merit, make a pt, /shout and take the risk of failing then I'd say the solo efficiency is quite close to pt. PT has to be much, much, MUCH more efficient than solo to be an incentive to pt. I solo for CP/REM's tales very often just because it's often less efficient to make a pt for them. But I don't solo for plasm because there's no way I can get plasm nearly as fast as a delve pt. Thus plasm/delve is the right example for reward/effort ratio as a pt content, 119 AF isn't.

FYI, at 10k each you can collect 8 REM's tale for 119 af in 3hr. Sometimes a BC takes 1hr+ just to fill up, not including the time you farm merit, wipe with PUGs, zombie and shadowbind in PUG and so on. If you're not doing VD(which is nearly impossible with PUG) you'd need multiple runs to finish it, which often takes longer than 3hr of solo.

IMO higher tier BC just needs to give out better reward for helpers such as 5k~10k CP, that'd solve most of the problem.





How does it hurt you if I don't want to do mission battles but prefer to work on current gear instead? I've said it a million times. I have zero interest in logging on and doing nothing but watching cut scenes for hours on end, then two-shotting a boring battle. Geeze.


I'm not "hurt" if you want to solo or enjoy solo, but I'm pretty sure it'd hurt the game in the long run if solo gets stuff more efficient than pt.

[Stompa]

Yeah I don't really see what 3rd pt tools have to do with Rem chapters anyway. Those fights are not really that demanding.

My oldest FFXI friend was kicked off his LS for not installing a SCH stun-tool, he refused to do this and was kicked. He was also insulted by them and spammed with hateful /tells, so he left our server for 6 months to get away from those people. He's back now and seems to be enjoying himself again, but he was very hurt because he is a loyal and helpful player, it really hurt his feelings that they wouldn't take his veteran scholar without added hacks. But that was for delve, not Rem chapters lol.

The main problem is mono-build content, content that encourages people to use a "my way or the highway" approach to building parties. It would be good if there was greater job-inclusivity, where your well-equipped and played-with-skill jobs were always welcome in events. I don't see the game suffering if there was greater flexibility in content-acceptable jobs and in players' willingness to accept jobs that might not fit the rigid 'perfect build.'

[Mitruya]

^{Yes, please.}

[Camate]

Rem’s Tales are items we’d like players to obtain from places such as high-tier battlefields, and we’ve added opportunities to obtain them via Records of Eminence only as a supplementary avenue. With that said, we do not have any plans to lower the sparks requirements for Rem’s Tale chapters 1-5.

[Xerius]

Rem’s Tales are items we’d like players to obtain from places such as high-tier battlefields, and we’ve added opportunities to obtain them via Records of Eminence only as a supplementary avenue. With that said, we do not have any plans to lower the sparks requirements for Rem’s Tale chapters 1-5.

A major problem here can be seals though. It's not necessarily easy to gain another 20 seals of any specific type even with the 3:1 trade ratio. If the development team won't consider lowering their spark cost then maybe lower the restrictions in place for obtaining seals.

[Ramzi]

If you count the time to farm merit, make a pt, /shout and take the risk of failing then I'd say the solo efficiency is quite close to pt. PT has to be much, much, MUCH more efficient than solo to be an incentive to pt. I solo for CP/REM's tales very often just because it's often less efficient to make a pt for them. But I don't solo for plasm because there's no way I can get plasm nearly as fast as a delve pt. Thus plasm/delve is the right example for reward/effort ratio as a pt content, 119 AF isn't.

FYI, at 10k each you can collect 8 REM's tale for 119 af in 3hr. Sometimes a BC takes 1hr+ just to fill up, not including the time you farm merit, wipe with PUGs, zombie and shadowbind in PUG and so on. If you're not doing VD(which is nearly impossible with PUG) you'd need multiple runs to finish it, which often takes longer than 3hr of solo.

IMO higher tier BC just needs to give out better reward for helpers such as 5k~10k CP, that'd solve most of the problem.





I'm not "hurt" if you want to solo or enjoy solo, but I'm pretty sure it'd hurt the game in the long run if solo gets stuff more efficient than pt.

So you are able to complete the 500 damage objective in 2 mins 15 seconds, constantly for 3 hours? Seems unlikely, and to be honest, unless you have a bot doing this for you (assuming you don't as you say you don't cheat) it would be beyond mind numbing, and very unrealistic for most people. Why do you always throw out claims that 99.99% of players would never do? I see the point you're trying to get across, but why exaggerate?

[detlef]

A major problem here can be seals though. It's not necessarily easy to gain another 20 seals of any specific type even with the 3:1 trade ratio. If the development team won't consider lowering their spark cost then maybe lower the restrictions in place for obtaining seals.Log in everyday. Bam 460 KS/BS or 153 SKC.

Don't forget that if you PT up with people you can get many extra Rem's just by participating on somebody else's orb.


So you are able to complete the 500 damage objective in 2 mins 15 seconds, constantly for 3 hours? Seems unlikely, and to be honest, unless you have a bot doing this for you (assuming you don't as you say you don't cheat) it would be beyond mind numbing, and very unrealistic for most people. Why do you always throw out claims that 99.99% of players would never do? I see the point you're trying to get across, but why exaggerate?You know there are other RoE objectives you can set other than 500 damage right?

[NimrodXI]

Rem’s Tales are items we’d like players to obtain from places such as high-tier battlefields, and we’ve added opportunities to obtain them via Records of Eminence only as a supplementary avenue. With that said, we do not have any plans to lower the sparks requirements for Rem’s Tale chapters 1-5.

DEV Team rather see how slowly people are leaving the game "540 players online in sylph ", even with new content and free access,tsk..tsk..tsk sad very sad.

[Camiie]

Rem’s Tales are items we’d like players to obtain from places such as high-tier battlefields, and we’ve added opportunities to obtain them via Records of Eminence only as a supplementary avenue. With that said, we do not have any plans to lower the sparks requirements for Rem’s Tale chapters 1-5.

Ok, but lowering the cost a bit won't change this. If people want their full set of pages today then they will still get them via battlefield.

[Protey]

So you are able to complete the 500 damage objective in 2 mins 15 seconds, constantly for 3 hours? Seems unlikely, and to be honest, unless you have a bot doing this for you (assuming you don't as you say you don't cheat) it would be beyond mind numbing, and very unrealistic for most people. Why do you always throw out claims that 99.99% of players would never do? I see the point you're trying to get across, but why exaggerate?

not really. RDM/BLM. go to square room in crawler's nest and round up half the mobs (approximately 50 or so). stonega (or stonega2 if your gear isn't that great). will complete the objective in approximately 30 seconds. you spend more time pulling the mobs than you do completing the objective.

[Stompa]

A good way to do damage objectives while also obtaining the monsters-vanquished / geode / ite / seals / xp objectives at the same time, is to go kill Qutrubs in Caederva Mire, EP @ 99, all normal hits are 500-1500~ depending on your weapon power, and you get sparks from all the crystals/geodes etc. too. And you get IS which is always good to have.

:)

[Bebekeke]

FYI, at 10k each you can collect 8 REM's tale for 119 af in 3hr. Sometimes a BC takes 1hr+ just to fill up, not including the time you farm merit, wipe with PUGs, zombie and shadowbind in PUG and so on. If you're not doing VD(which is nearly impossible with PUG) you'd need multiple runs to finish it, which often takes longer than 3hr of solo.

#1) They're not 10k each, they're 15k each, so now it takes you 4.5 hours to solo.

#2) On Normal you'll get at least 2 chapters per run, meaning a max of 4 runs. Assuming you run to the time limit each run, that's still only 2 hours. Added to the hour that you pointed out that it CAN take to get a party together, and you're looking at 3 hours total, the same as in your hypothetical situation where chapters 6-10 only cost 10k sparks.

[Ramzi]

Log in everyday. Bam 460 KS/BS or 153 SKC.

Don't forget that if you PT up with people you can get many extra Rem's just by participating on somebody else's orb.

You know there are other RoE objectives you can set other than 500 damage right?

Not reliable ones that give good sparks rewards. Over time, these extras may add up, but it's not going to make such a huge difference that it negates the time investment needed.

[dasva]

Not reliable ones that give good sparks rewards. Over time, these extras may add up, but it's not going to make such a huge difference that it negates the time investment needed.

The number of kills ones and zone ones and crystal ones etc are all good and reliable and you can get them quick and fast while killing things for xp, merits (both for actually merited and for other battlefiels), jp, heck even skillups/ws unlocks if you still need that stuff. Oh and in the process you get seals for these battlefields to get more rem tales with... oh and wait you also get sparks from the battlefields themselves

[Crevox]

Sparks cost is fine how it is. People should be encouraged to seek out what an "SKCNM" is and try to form a party to give it a shot. The only way they'll do that is if it is worth their time (it drops a ton of chapters), and starts to get them into end game.

It should probably be explained more in game though, sure.

As for seals and crests, as long as you didn't start the game, get to 30 and go "omg I want to plvl to 99 pls abyssea worm party invite me" and you actually leveled your character by killing monsters... you should have a good amount of them, and then your friends also should have a good amount of them as well. Both you and them can run it multiple times, and get tons of chapters for everyone. If you don't have friends, well, there's people that make parties all the time, and if there's not, you can make your own party and then people will be like "oh I want to try this SKCNM thing, this guy says its easy, I have tons of seals I just never tried it." In the end, you can ultimately still just solo it.

Lowering the sparks cost is just... not the right solution. There already exists a perfectly good system to obtain the chapters.

[raps1355]

Perhaps the actual BC fights need to be looked at as you can hardly find a group willing to do them at all which leaves you with the only option which is sparks. As a player who has returned recently and discovered the sparks system its not an easy task to catch up or progress when its evident players exhausted these BC to stockpile the exact amount of papers they needed to never go back again. As for the higher fights which drop 6-10's the shouts are a little better but the job combinations largely restrict you as all it can take is you not having those jobs and you are blocked from say hand, head papers because they are paper unique.

There is little incentive on the drops front for players to help when you weigh up the single chance at one drop pool per orb while having to do 5 addition runs when you need no papers and are solely there for gil, there is just simply better gil per hour methods in game.

Generally I can farm 13k sparks per hour so that enables me to gain a 109 piece in 6 hours or a 119 piece in just over 9 hours. So we are essentially looking at 15 hours of focused on the ball grinding per piece. There is also 10 pieces per job. So assuming you wanted a set of relic and af 119 for all the macro in pieces and utility of high acc sets , ja enhancement etc we would be looking at 150 hours per job not including time distractions. Lets be realistic at how many hours a day I can and would want to grind sparks vs doing other content.

Only way I see this game becoming more player friendly and reducing these you had to be on the train as soon as the content was out or you risked being locked out once its been exhausted is making all content give out a universal point system which is traded in for everything to encourage players to do any and all content because it progresses their personal goals regardless.

[Afania]

So you are able to complete the 500 damage objective in 2 mins 15 seconds, constantly for 3 hours? Seems unlikely, and to be honest, unless you have a bot doing this for you (assuming you don't as you say you don't cheat) it would be beyond mind numbing, and very unrealistic for most people. Why do you always throw out claims that 99.99% of players would never do? I see the point you're trying to get across, but why exaggerate?

Well that's the numbers being thrown around on the internet, if someone is exaggerating, it wasn't me. I only use the numbers I dig on the internet to fight against Olor's opinion about how PT would ended up being less efficient than solo if it requires less sparks.

It doesn't matter if it's "mind numbing and unrealistic" nor how much sparks/hr most players can farm, it was FACT that 2 weeks after AA release some of my friends denied to do certain AA zone and only save merit for zones with gears they want. When I asked "don't you need rem's tale" he answered "Nah, I can just solo for them" then hinted that it's faster/easier to solo for rem's tale.

Even at 15k sparks some ppl would rather solo, let alone 10k. Even more ppl would tend to solo if it's lower than 15k, making AA party harder to fill up.

It may sound unrealistic to you because it's mind numbing, but the fact is, some players can tolerate it, and they can tolerate it even further if the sparks requirement is lowered, thus even less willing to pt. It wasn't unrealistic to me because it's a situation I've been, players refuse to pt even at 15k each.

Oh and btw, when you claim X/hr, it doesn't mean it's done constantly.


#1) They're not 10k each, they're 15k each, so now it takes you 4.5 hours to solo.

#2) On Normal you'll get at least 2 chapters per run, meaning a max of 4 runs. Assuming you run to the time limit each run, that's still only 2 hours. Added to the hour that you pointed out that it CAN take to get a party together, and you're looking at 3 hours total, the same as in your hypothetical situation where chapters 6-10 only cost 10k sparks.

I don't think you get what I was trying to say......or you weren't reading.

1) I know they're currently 15k each, less than 15k was what Olor wanted which will kill any AA event that doesn't drop grip/mask.

2) You forget to add the time to farm merits, wipe with PUG(and yes it does happen in PUG even in N), other players seacom and outlot your rem's tale, wait for friends to pop to fill up key roles, if you add all that it easily avg 3hr or more to complete 1 119.

If you can solo 8 sparks in 3hr ~ 5hr, and a pt needs 1.5hr~4hr to farm 8 sparks with PUG, majority of the player would still choose to solo. Even if pt is about the same or slightly more efficient than solo, players would just choose to solo due to the nature of solo being 10x less pain in the ass than dealing with party.

If a pt needs 1.5hr~4hr to farm 8 sparks, but it takes 20~30hr to farm 8 sparks, then more ppl would tend to party, because it's MUCH more efficient to get stuff in a pt, making pt easier to make for everyone else.

It doesn't matter if actual solo spark needs 4.5hr and pt only needs less than 3hr, the fact is solo efficiency is quite close to pt efficiency for rem's tale, and spark cost for REM's tale shouldn't drop lower or else it'd kill the event completely.

[Afania]

Perhaps the actual BC fights need to be looked at as you can hardly find a group willing to do them at all which leaves you with the only option which is sparks. As a player who has returned recently and discovered the sparks system its not an easy task to catch up or progress when its evident players exhausted these BC to stockpile the exact amount of papers they needed to never go back again. As for the higher fights which drop 6-10's the shouts are a little better but the job combinations largely restrict you as all it can take is you not having those jobs and you are blocked from say hand, head papers because they are paper unique.

There is little incentive on the drops front for players to help when you weigh up the single chance at one drop pool per orb while having to do 5 addition runs when you need no papers and are solely there for gil, there is just simply better gil per hour methods in game.

Generally I can farm 13k sparks per hour so that enables me to gain a 109 piece in 6 hours or a 119 piece in just over 9 hours. So we are essentially looking at 15 hours of focused on the ball grinding per piece. There is also 10 pieces per job. So assuming you wanted a set of relic and af 119 for all the macro in pieces and utility of high acc sets , ja enhancement etc we would be looking at 150 hours per job not including time distractions. Lets be realistic at how many hours a day I can and would want to grind sparks vs doing other content.

Only way I see this game becoming more player friendly and reducing these you had to be on the train as soon as the content was out or you risked being locked out once its been exhausted is making all content give out a universal point system which is traded in for everything to encourage players to do any and all content because it progresses their personal goals regardless.

Players still do MR/HM fairly often because they can't get gears they want with sparks, so they must keep spamming it for the gear.

For other zones it needs more reward/incentive IMO.

[Mitruya]

I see what you guys and SE are saying, that it would kill the content, but I'm going to echo what others have said with my own observations - that it seems players have already moved on from this content or the shouts are so job exclusive it locks people out. So we're forced to solo anyway, whether it's RoE grind or the BCNM itself.

[Mitruya]

A good way to do damage objectives while also obtaining the monsters-vanquished / geode / ite / seals / xp objectives at the same time, is to go kill Qutrubs in Caederva Mire, EP @ 99, all normal hits are 500-1500~ depending on your weapon power, and you get sparks from all the crystals/geodes etc. too. And you get IS which is always good to have.

:)

Are these high enough level to drop -ites though?
Man, I wish we could get all those drops in Monstrosity there. All that RoE grind would help with leveling.
(Hint, hint, SE: if you're not going to lower sparks costs, give us more ways to collect like in Monstrosity. More mob family objectives would be helpful, and more Belligerency areas OR just let us get seals/crystals/geodes/ites anywhere.)