Improuving Black Belt to 99

[Fenrirs_Takumi]

Black belt is 75 with these Stats

DEF: 7 STR+7 Haste +12%
Subtle Blow +5
Physical Damage taken -5%

Apparently The black belt (to some people) is dead with new Expansion.

My Suggestion is to upgrade it a little.

Black Belt 1st dan (level 80)

DEF: 8 STR+8 Haste +12%
Subtle Blow +7
Physical Damage taken -5%

Black Belt 2nd dan (level 85)

DEF: 9 STR+9 DEX+5 Haste +12%
Subtle Blow +7
Physical Damage taken -5%

Black Belt 3rd dan (level 90)

DEF: 10 STR+10 DEX+5 Haste +12%
Subtle Blow +7
Damage taken -5%

Black Belt 4th dan (level 95)

DEF: 7 STR+10 DEX+5 Haste +12%
Subtle Blow +10
Damage taken -5%

Black Belt 5th dan (level 99)

DEF: 7 Atk+10 Acc+10 Haste +12%
Subtle Blow +10
Damage taken -5%

Til 10th dan. this is only an idea. but since now MNK is useful and there is not much new belt fit for monk and Accuracy is needed. please take a look into it! there should be something we can do with it. i dont want to store it and forget it!

[Shirai]

Neither of the mentioned stats will save the Black belt, and to be fair, I don't think anything will anymore.

There are already too many other very easy to get options out there that will blow away your above mentioned stats with ease.

[Selindrile]

Generally people only use it for a PDT belt, and it's a nice salvage piece if your waist gets unlocked before the rest of your gear, that's all I can think of. But, having it revamped could easily give it a home, I personally would propose something like the following:

DEF: 15 STR+15, Haste +12% Enhances Martial Arts (H2H Delay -30)
Subtle Blow +10 Damage taken -10%

That would be a pretty beastly belt.

[Fenrirs_Takumi]

i know Acc is important with new expansion. and i was thinking double atk as well. i would even seen haste +15%. because i tried doing Delve earlier without it and felt like i lost some DPS because i was hitting so slow.

[Shirai]

If you need accuracy options for the waist slot which are easy to obtain you may want to look at Anguinus belt.
15 Accuracy, 15 attack and double attack, aside from that it is free and extremely easy to get.

And Haste in the waist slot, well, that's pretty much obsolete now.

[Rubicant82]

I agree it should be updated to 99.
double the stats on it, make it easy (okay not haste, maybe leave that one the same or bump it a little).

[Safiyyah]

What Black Belt actually needs is multi-attack. It's so easy to cap haste with other slots that there's just no point in keeping haste on it. Something like 5% DA/5% TA, plus -10% DT, would bring Black Belt to the fore. And the upgrade method is pretty obvious- regular Black Belt + 1 Rare/Ex item from each Delve megaboss.

[Ramzi]

What Black Belt actually needs is multi-attack. It's so easy to cap haste with other slots that there's just no point in keeping haste on it. Something like 5% DA/5% TA, plus -10% DT, would bring Black Belt to the fore. And the upgrade method is pretty obvious- regular Black Belt + 1 Rare/Ex item from each Delve megaboss.

That would be hands down the most OP accessory in the game, on a job that already dominates the most wanted list for events. Not sure that's fair to other jobs. What you're proposing should be available to multiple jobs, but take away the -10 PDT. I'd be ok with something like:

STR+10, DA+2%, Subtle Blow +8
Haste +12%, PDT -7.

[Selindrile]

STR+10, DA+2%, Subtle Blow +8
Haste +12%, PDT -7.

Would still be a PDT piece only, haste is always capped with iLevel gear on your other slots. Str+10/DA+2 doesn't beat out your other options (Anguinus, Windbuffet), 2% more PDT, doesn't really help anything, nor does subtle blow.

I opted for Martial Arts enhancement on my version so that it could be effectively a "haste belt" as it was meant to be, but still stack with haste, if it's Delay- was balanced, it could be a strong but not broken belt. /shrug.

[Camiie]

Seli is right. It needs to be something both unique and useful and a Martial Arts bonus would surely be that. And if Black Belt's legacy is to be carried on fully then it should be the most OP accessory in the game.

[Shirai]

Seli is right. It needs to be something both unique and useful and a Martial Arts bonus would surely be that. And if Black Belt's legacy is to be carried on fully then it should be the most OP accessory in the game.

It really depends on what they add to the belt, right now it's already pretty hard to beat the performance of Windbuffet in capped acc situations, and with the new WoE coming said to have "updated versions" of gear...

Let's say that I am eagerly awaiting the .dat mining threads next monday.

[Fenrirs_Takumi]

I guess it would be possible to get 1 Item for tojil , dakuwaqa and the Bee. to make a +1 and maybe a from other 3 NM fractures make a +2 out of it.

[Grekumah]

Currently we have no plans for a higher-tier or improved black belt.

[Zephrose]

Currently we have no plans for a higher-tier or improved black belt.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090720220816/familyguy/images/3/33/Buzz_Killington.jpg

[Balloon]

Can you please start TELLING us when you drop some of the plans you have? Pretty sure you said there'd be a new belt a while back.

[Zarchery]

Cue the temper tantrums.

[Camiie]

This is Pet: TH gear all over again.

[Raydeus]

You know, I'm starting to think Grekumah is Camate's troll account. XD (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/members/46652-Grekumah)

[Catmato]

Pretty sure you said there'd be a new belt a while back.[citation needed]

[Genoxd]

[citation needed]

They said they were planning higher level versions of the black belt as well as gear that surpassed the current stats of black belt for other jobs. This was quite a while ago.

[Karbuncle]

[citation needed]

Find it yourself, It was posted quite a long while back.

I can echo that it was said however, some time ago, that there were plans (or at least discussion of plans) on replacing/upgrading Black Belt with a higher level version (this was well before I.lv and Adoulin, perhaps back in Tanaka Era, which could explain why it was eventually trashed).

Edit: I felt nice.


In the meantime, here is what was discussed regarding the Black Belt specifically:

"We currently have no plans of easing the way Black Belt is obtained. Due to the increased level cap, we believe that the ease has already been affected.

We're actually looking into items that are more powerful than Black Belt for the future, and if they were to be introduced there may be a possibility that we re-visit adjustments for Black Belt acquisition."

Look at the "Regarding Black Belt specifically" part, I wish I could find the original thread so I could give you context, but all i could find was the quoted Camate post... but we're talking 2011

[Zhronne]

Can you please start TELLING us when you drop some of the plans you have? Pretty sure you said there'd be a new belt a while back.
Updated black belt has been mentioned at least twice, together with updated CoP rings (at least once).

Not saying that what they talk about on official posts is binding, but it would be good to know when they change their mind on something.

[Malthar]

You know, I'm starting to think Grekumah is Camate's troll account. XD (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/members/46652-Grekumah)

What say you to this, Camate? What what?

[Crevox]

Find it yourself, It was posted quite a long while back.

I can echo that it was said however, some time ago, that there were plans (or at least discussion of plans) on replacing/upgrading Black Belt with a higher level version (this was well before I.lv and Adoulin, perhaps back in Tanaka Era, which could explain why it was eventually trashed).

Edit: I felt nice.



Look at the "Regarding Black Belt specifically" part, I wish I could find the original thread so I could give you context, but all i could find was the quoted Camate post... but we're talking 2011

This says nothing about a new Black Belt. All that says is when they implement belts that are more powerful than Black Belt (hey look, they did!) that they might go back and adjust the acquisition requirements for Black Belt.

There is nothing here that even suggests the possibility of them implementing a higher level version of the Black Belt, or an ability to upgrade the Black Belt

[Demonjustin]

Honestly.a.Black.Belt.upgrade.was.mentioned.back.when.Adoulin.was.announced.so.to.say.they.have.no.plans.for.it.now.is.just...

[VoiceMemo]

Original thread discussing black belthttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1129-Community-Team-Please-post-translations-of-ALL-developer-posts.?highlight=black+belt, now why can't SE be as fast to answer my question about Massacre Elegy. This threat got an answer in 3 days and I've been waiting months for an answer.

I wish SE wouldn't post FALSE HOPE, or if they decide to change they should acknowledge that they did say yes at one point but then changed their minds to no.

[bigdave]

the director himself said that the new black belt was coming out when they said seekers was coming out and the higher crafting and also the new job geo and run

[ProjectA2O]

It was mentioned by SE at VanaFest 2012

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=29967

Other Adjustments:

New 2-hour abilities are in the works. So far, developers revealed that the Warrior 2-hour will make all attacks non-elemental (like Formless Strikes), and the Monk 2-hour will allow them to counter 100% of regular incoming attacks.

The enfeebling system will be rehauled, and the developers promised to post details about that later in the official forums

Ranged attack delay will be cut in half

Protect will made 1.5x stronger, and Protectra V may be made 3-4x stronger

The developers made a point to say there are no scheduled changes yet for Dark Knights, but that they won't be forgotten

Monk gets a new belt, but the Black Belt will be required to attain it

Summoners are being tested for a fix for when Blood Pacts get canceled if the target moves out of range

Dragoon may receive another merit ability in their category 1 merits to reduce the Call Wyvern timer

Realizing that Mog House storage is tight for many players, the developers are considering adding another rental house like the one in Aht Urghan

New UI: The new user interface will have drag-and-drop menus that can be placed anywhere on the screen. Players will also be able to select the color scheme. The new interface should be ready before the release of Adoulin.


I have to side with Balloon on this one, wish the devs would at least start telling us what plans they are discarding so I can stop waiting around for stuff.

[Catmato]

It was mentioned by SE at VanaFest 2012

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=29967Thank you for finding that. I thought it was just made up.

[Karbuncle]

This says nothing about a new Black Belt. All that says is when they implement belts that are more powerful than Black Belt (hey look, they did!) that they might go back and adjust the acquisition requirements for Black Belt.

There is nothing here that even suggests the possibility of them implementing a higher level version of the Black Belt, or an ability to upgrade the Black Belt

Poster by day, Grave digger by night.


It was mentioned by SE at VanaFest 2012

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=29967

Other Adjustments:

New 2-hour abilities are in the works. So far, developers revealed that the Warrior 2-hour will make all attacks non-elemental (like Formless Strikes), and the Monk 2-hour will allow them to counter 100% of regular incoming attacks.

The enfeebling system will be rehauled, and the developers promised to post details about that later in the official forums

Ranged attack delay will be cut in half

Protect will made 1.5x stronger, and Protectra V may be made 3-4x stronger

The developers made a point to say there are no scheduled changes yet for Dark Knights, but that they won't be forgotten

Monk gets a new belt, but the Black Belt will be required to attain it

Summoners are being tested for a fix for when Blood Pacts get canceled if the target moves out of range

Dragoon may receive another merit ability in their category 1 merits to reduce the Call Wyvern timer

Realizing that Mog House storage is tight for many players, the developers are considering adding another rental house like the one in Aht Urghan

New UI: The new user interface will have drag-and-drop menus that can be placed anywhere on the screen. Players will also be able to select the color scheme. The new interface should be ready before the release of Adoulin.


I have to side with Balloon on this one, wish the devs would at least start telling us what plans they are discarding so I can stop waiting around for stuff.

Thank ya for finding what I was looking for :)

[Bamph]

Original thread discussing black belthttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1129-Community-Team-Please-post-translations-of-ALL-developer-posts.?highlight=black+belt, now why can't SE be as fast to answer my question about Massacre Elegy. This threat got an answer in 3 days and I've been waiting months for an answer.

I wish SE wouldn't post FALSE HOPE, or if they decide to change they should acknowledge that they did say yes at one point but then changed their minds to no.

Try starting a new post in the general discussion page... That's where the most action seems to be, and where most of the responses come from :)

[Genoxd]

Thank you for finding that. I thought it was just made up.

Thank you for being a cynical (words I cannot say because I don't want to be banned)

How about a smidge of trust when a wave of people remember something you obviously missed.

[Catmato]

Thank you for being a cynical (words I cannot say because I don't want to be banned)

How about a smidge of trust when a wave of people remember something you obviously missed.

When I posted that, there was one single post (Balloon' post, that I quoted) in the thread referring to SE stating they were going to update it. To me, that's not a "wave of people", nor do I think that I "obviously" missed that single statement from a two year old post on Alla.

[Dragoy]

I wish I could find the original thread so I could give you context, but all i could find was the quoted Camate post... but we're talking 2011

You mean this?

The context wasn't quite what one might expect though. ^^;

[Selindrile]

Plot twist: They did not release any waists technically more powerful than Black Belt, instead they obsoleted it by putting it's primary reason for being powerful in large amounts onto every other gear peice we use anyway and not increasing the cap, so the primary reason for it's power was irellevant because we're always capped on haste no matter what.

What does this mean for the black belt? No idea, it just doesn't really fit into their explanation, regardless, who knew we wouldn't need haste on the belt slot anymore, when traditionally it was the belt's most important function.

[Bebekeke]

Plot twist: They did not release any waists technically more powerful than Black Belt, instead they obsoleted it by putting it's primary reason for being powerful in large amounts onto every other gear peice we use anyway and not increasing the cap, so the primary reason for it's power was irellevant because we're always capped on haste no matter what.

What does this mean for the black belt? No idea, it just doesn't really fit into their explanation, regardless, who knew we wouldn't need haste on the belt slot anymore, when traditionally it was the belt's most important function.

-PDT II is just about all that's left for a BB upgrade without completely changing all of its stats.

[Selindrile]

I stand by my martial arts upgrade on page1, which would allow it to be a "Haste belt in today's game" though I wouldn't mind PDT II, it would still only be a PDT belt then.

[Bebekeke]

I stand by my martial arts upgrade on page1, which would allow it to be a "Haste belt in today's game" though I wouldn't mind PDT II, it would still only be a PDT belt then.

Martial arts is irrelevant in 90+% of today's gaming.

Just about the only times that you don't have capped haste (in which case martial arts will simply reduce your TP) are: Dynamis, Salvage, and Worm Parties.

Even in most other solo situations, you can cap haste just from Trusts. And in most party situations you'll have capped haste from BRD + mage combinations.

[Selindrile]

Martial arts is irrelevant in 90+% of today's gaming.

Just about the only times that you don't have capped haste (in which case martial arts will simply reduce your TP) are: Dynamis, Salvage, and Worm Parties.

Even in most other solo situations, you can cap haste just from Trusts. And in most party situations you'll have capped haste from BRD + mage combinations.

I just checked the math, and you're right in that in high buff situations (capped magic haste) you're extremely close to delay reduction cap, and you are capped if you have Haste samba from a dance in addition to this.

Would still be nice when you're only recieving haste1 and no marches, but fair enough, this may not be the fix I'd hoped it was, I didn't realize how close mnks got to the delay reduction cap from innate martial arts and and max magic haste.

I'm not sure how often you'd cap delay reduction with trusts, would need Haste and 2 Marches to get extremely close, and then Haste Samba to cap, and I can speak from experience that my trust Bards rarely keep 2 marches on me much as I wish that they would (at least with Tinhaspa, which I used for the calculations as that's what I use).

Overall though, fair enough, I concede that martial arts would indeed not save black belt at least for "real" content, but PDT II would make it a PDT piece only.... if we want it to be an actual TP piece, we'd have to talk DA/TA/QA in numbers that beat Windbuffet+1, and/or perhaps critrate possibly.

[Fenrirs_Takumi]

Ok so The black belt is trash now?? They still havent improved the black belt? thats just sad, and with all the Info you guys provided that they said they would.

[Pixela]

Moonbow Belt

DEF:20 STR+15 DEX+15 "Triple Attack"+6% "Subtle Blow II"+10 Damage taken -5%
LV 99 MNK PUP

[Fenrirs_Takumi]

That's not improving the Black belt now is it? In many martial arts the black belt is a symbol of everything you have achieved, how hard you've trained. Buying a belt does not fit Monk imo. I would've hoped to see a few more quests for the black belt.

[Alhanelem]

That's not improving the Black belt now is it? In many martial arts the black belt is a symbol of everything you have achieved, how hard you've trained. Buying a belt does not fit Monk imo. I would've hoped to see a few more quests for the black belt.

I mean its an item with stats like the black belt but better, so yes, it's improving on it