your thoughts on the future of ffxi

[DarkStoneDragon]

I have some questions about your thoughts on XI,

1. in your opinion does it still have long life ahead? (as in how much life you think is left?)

2. would you like to see a remastered/hd ver of XI like they did with kingdom hearts and X/X-2?

The reason I'm asking is my Wife and I love this game, we'd love to see it last for years to come, we'd like to see a remastered/hd ver of XI (not that we have a problem with it currently), maybe with Dx11 and on PS4 and maybe XBox one (provided MS would allow cross platform servers) and before anyone says "play FFXIV" done played it didn't care for it that much, we like how in XI we can party and help each other out with story missions or quests (withe the exception of a few) we also like the battle system more, in XIV there's no sense of danger "get aggro run 5 seconds lose aggro" but there's more than just that I'm using that as 1 of the many things we didn't like, we're not bashing XIV it's just not for us, all-in-all we love how 11 is, the story, the combat and even the trust system and we'll probably love the stuff we haven't got to try out yet, what are your thought on the questions I posted?

[Karbuncle]

1) Yup

2) Not going to happen regardless.

[Edyth]

1. Absolute minimum, worst doomsday prediction would be 3 more years, but I think it can go on a lot longer depending on SE's decisions on things like server merges (as in, DO THEM). I'm hoping for at least 5 more years, hopefully even longer, and I think it's entirely likely.

2. I would like it, but it's not going to happen, and it wouldn't bring in the # of new subscriptions needed to justify the cost of the project.

[Selindrile]

1.) I think/hope we have plenty of time left, worst case scenario, if subscriptions stop paying the bills, they can always try a F2P revitalization, but I hope even that's a long time off.

2.) Yes, I wish they'd drop PS2 support, at least partially, and revamp effing everything. But I can't imagine that actually happening.

[Lordkyron]

IMHO square will not cancel this game, until they are sure ARR will remain a stable income to them.
Once ARR achieves that , they will most probably kill FFXI.

Today FFXI still gives square a steady profit so they don't want to risk it.

imo the game was more fun in the old day, but what mmorpg isn't more fun in their prime.

[Shirai]

IMHO square will not cancel this game, until they are sure ARR will remain a stable income to them.
Once ARR achieves that , they will most probably kill FFXI.

Today FFXI still gives square a steady profit so they don't want to risk it.

They won't kill FFXI as long as it still generates profit, FFXIV isn't and will never be a deciding factor in that.
Marketing wise shutting down XI because ARR generates a greater revenue is a very bad move.

As long as enough people keep playing FFXI to keep it profitable the game will keep going even if ARR generates it in tenfold.

2. Not going to happen.

[Vold]

As long as players like us play then I don't see it ending anytime soon. Money doesn't grow on trees for SE yet despite who they are. As long as that stays the case I imagine what little resources FFXI gets will remain.

And as far as an graphical update goes, it is obviously heavy opinion that it won't happen, but I will caution people to remember how many times they have said "not going to happen" and it happened anyway.

[Mizuno]

1.) I hope another 11 years

2.) I wish it would, but alas it won't....I would however like something to lower the brightness in Valkurm, IT HURTS MY EYES!!

[Xerius]

I think that they have something in the works because they've been putting a rather unnatural amount of attention on helping newer players which is strange for an MMO as old as this one where you're getting probably under 10 subs a month and only 1 or 2 of those are actually new players. So, their either wasting their time or planning for a large resurgence of new players.

[Rubicant82]

I see FFXI as one of the MMOs that go on and on ....
DAoC & the original Everquest are still going! why? Because people still play them. It was mentioned a few time that as long as there are people who keep playing and that SE is making a profit most likely they will keep at least 1 sever going until the point that they start losing money, and even then depending on how much they lose they might keep it going for a little while longer. But with as many people that still play I do not see FFXI going anywhere anytime soon. Even then once it goes I hope they release the source code so those people who want can continue their adventures on privet servers (once it no longer impacts SE's profits I don't see why they would care).

As for the graphics I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AN HD FFXI :3 I adore this game to a fault... no matter what I do I always seem to come back to it, and though the graphics are getting better, they are still low, I wish they would re-render this in FFXIVs rendering engine and making it all smooth and pretty... I mean just imagine how awesome it would be. :-3
I would ride the clipper every day!! Go to all my favorite zones just for the scenery again :3 HD graphic options yes please!

[WoW]

Will XI have its' loyal followers/players? Sure, will it compete with the newer MMOs/Online games coming out in 14 and beyond? No(Don't see XIV competing neither, XI appears to be more engaging than XIV, imo).

I for one have grown tired; all of my friends were long gone. Have not been in a LS since the winter season.

I am particularly interested in other MMOs, SWTOR and Wildstar has my attention atm among a plethora of offline games. Black Desert, Destiny, Everquest Next, Kingdom Under Fire 2, The Division, No Man's Sky, and PSO 2, (PSO is always awesome^^) look extremely intriguing. Want in that Black Desert NA beta in 2015^^

As it pertains to XI, nah, I don't see this game flat out dying, rather, slowly dwindling. I'll say XI has more years left. Not gonna be in-game to see it most likely; cancelling this month, I have grown bored with XI tbh.

[DarkStoneDragon]

Thanks for the overall positive outlook,I have seen some good points in posts like the Facelift idea, that would be great and I would love to see that, as far as never going to happen? I think they would bring it if enough people want it.

[Draylo]

Will XI have its' loyal followers/players? Sure, will it compete with the newer MMOs/Online games coming out in 14 and beyond? No(Don't see XIV competing neither, XI appears to be more engaging than XIV, imo).

I for one have grown tired; all of my friends were long gone. Have not been in a LS since the winter season.

I am particularly interested in other MMOs, SWTOR and Wildstar has my attention atm among a plethora of offline games. Black Desert, Destiny, Everquest Next, Kingdom Under Fire 2, The Division, No Man's Sky, and PSO 2, (PSO is always awesome^^) look extremely intriguing. Want in that Black Desert NA beta in 2015^^

As it pertains to XI, nah, I don't see this game flat out dying, rather, slowly dwindling. I'll say XI has more years left. Not gonna be in-game to see it most likely; cancelling this month, I have grown bored with XI tbh.

Mhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, sure you are. See you in a week or two.

As for OP, this game will be going on for a very long time. I really hope they do an HD touch up but it would require a ton of work I'm sure. I doubt it will happen but I know it would be amazing for the game.

[WoW]

Mhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, sure you are. See you in a week or two.

As for OP, this game will be going on for a very long time. I really hope they do an HD touch up but it would require a ton of work I'm sure. I doubt it will happen but I know it would be amazing for the game.

You may see every now and then for a week or two, my sub ends in Sept 9th.

Edit: You are not even on my server, lol.

[Olor]

Wow you should send me some jugs before you unsub.... I'll give you money when/if you come back ;)

[WoW]

Wow you should send me some jugs before you unsub.... I'll give you money when/if you come back ;)

I will make you all of them; don't use them really, might as-well put em to good use; No charge, won't need the money, because I will be gone, lol.

[Pixela]

1) as long as they keep updating it, players will stick with it.

2) not going to happen, one of the major niches this game fulfils is that it runs on almost anything.

[Olor]

I will make you all of them; don't use them really, might as-well put em to good use; No charge, won't need the money, because I will be gone, lol.

I hope they buff bst and you come back ; ;

We should really do some sort of pet burn thing before you leave.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

Okay the niche problem for graphics to have the ability to fully become HD into 720p 1080p 4k-ultra high definition is stuff like consoles not supporting that feature and being out dated to it while more smart tv's/monitor, desktops, laptops with hdmi out even will have that ability to adapt much easier than consoles ever will simply because most consoles unless your a very techy guy who knows it well enough will be stuck with the graphics card and type of software they have been given when they were created among other tech that was put into them at the time which is how or why they will make there money off creating newer consoles as well.

Sorry getting a bit off topic but you can see what type of system ffxi is currently using to be played on and it's also partly why it has it's downfalls into having the ability to have upgraded graphics and if they did a remastered version of it, it would have to exclude certain technologies that it can be played on into having that ability to retain the higher or the ultra high definition graphics to be seen while playing the game. well just stating it can be based on the games prime/primary mechanics into what it is running on or primary mechanics to run the game.

Now for long term play of the game. We all know some of the obvious outcomes but i'm sure SE is seeing some players don't want to play ffxiv/other games or they've played it up to a point of being done with other games/ffxiv and not liking that play style of the game anymore thus they will just play ffxi for the long term.
Some will leave because of boredom or leave the game if all of there friends have left for other games and of course there are those players who will stay for the long run regardless of their friends\folks leaving or all ready left the game which they've known for quite some time.

Life's factors in our lives could pull the game down but will stay with the new player base and long time players who cant stand to leave the game since they are beloved of ffxi and it's changing play styles. meh, I guess i'm trying to say is this game will keep updating and changing because of its fan based feed back to the ffxi teams in order to keep the game running for a very long time to come which keeps the game in a power point edge into wanting to be played.

[Afania]

Will XI have its' loyal followers/players? Sure, will it compete with the newer MMOs/Online games coming out in 14 and beyond? No(Don't see XIV competing neither, XI appears to be more engaging than XIV, imo).

I for one have grown tired; all of my friends were long gone. Have not been in a LS since the winter season.

I am particularly interested in other MMOs, SWTOR and Wildstar has my attention atm among a plethora of offline games. Black Desert, Destiny, Everquest Next, Kingdom Under Fire 2, The Division, No Man's Sky, and PSO 2, (PSO is always awesome^^) look extremely intriguing. Want in that Black Desert NA beta in 2015^^

As it pertains to XI, nah, I don't see this game flat out dying, rather, slowly dwindling. I'll say XI has more years left. Not gonna be in-game to see it most likely; cancelling this month, I have grown bored with XI tbh.

Kinda off topic but....

The grass is always greener on the other side of fence, I suppose. You wrote 2 posts bashing FFXI, one of them is basically saying "job balance was beyond terrible so I'm quitting", the other one listed a lot of titles, most of them are either not out or viewed as terrible games by the gaming community - -

While I liked SWTOR a lot, most of the players hated it with a passion. And PSO2 was downright one of the biggest MMO disappointment I had in past 2 years(another one was TESO). Although PSO1 was what brought me into the world of MMO, that kind of game mechanic(which is the same as PSO1 and PSU with almost nothing new) seems outdated nowadays. Paired with class balance worse than FFXI, clunky controls, HDD data erase glitch in JP version, super grindy, shallow and repetitive gameplay.....lol at quitting FFXI for that shallow and grindy game. I don't know why would you bash job balance of XI in 1 thread then proceed to praise another game with even worse class balance.

While I dislike FFXIV, in terms of the overall quality, I'd say even FFXIV is 10 times better than PSO2. Well, your $$ and your choice, PSO2 is free anyways. I'm still waiting for a better MMO than FFXI for me to play, so far there's none.

[Afania]

Mhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, sure you are. See you in a week or two.

As for OP, this game will be going on for a very long time. I really hope they do an HD touch up but it would require a ton of work I'm sure. I doubt it will happen but I know it would be amazing for the game.

Don't worry, the guy decided to quit because SAM is OP and other DD job can only do 65% of SAM. I'm waiting for him to rage quit PSO2 as well when he find out fodders die before (leech)hunter even get to engage them.

[Teraniku]

Well to put it in perspective:

-Both Ultima Online and Everquest are still running and they are older than FFXI, so as long as there's enough money coming in SE won't cancel it. The only time you should start getting worried is when this game goes into maintenance mode, and that isn't happening for quite a while yet.

-Graphics update would be wonderful (or heck, I'd prefer a DX Wrapper upgrade, which would allow stuff like more realistic water effects) but highly unlikely to happen.

[WoW]

Don't worry, the guy decided to quit because SAM is OP and other DD job can only do 65% of SAM. I'm waiting for him to rage quit PSO2 as well when he find out fodders die before (leech)hunter even get to engage them.

Gonna break in down for you real quick;

You are butt hurt because you were trashed/owned in that pet job thread pertaining to sam, I was not the one whom owning you, my comments were not really directed at no individual in particular.

I am quitting XI, big deal. i don't understand why players get offensive when someone quits or criticizes XI; they have your money, isn't that enough, lol? If you like XI, fine; if I am bored, so what?

Afania, stop taking your frustrations out me because Balloon and Olor ran you out of this thread with facts; http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/43737-Please-nerf-monk-and-samurai-so-other-DDs-can-play/page20. Olor and Balloon know their $hit, no clue why you tried to mix it up with those two "Shrugs" You are all over the place now. Draylo made a sarcastic remark, no harm, no foul, but you wanted to take it to another level/personal because you got your feelings hurt. I did not post much in that thread and I was on record saying it was not sam's fault, but I seen the thrashing you took regardless. I am on and off XI atm, hence do not post/play much.

I also decided to stay out of heated debates (Or in your case thrashings), because I am not into XI like that anymore. If you are looking for a fight, you are not going to get one, I suggest you get back in this thread and handle your business http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/43737-Please-nerf-monk-and-samurai-so-other-DDs-can-play/page20. If you want the last word, you can have it, but do not expect a reply. Your post appear to be either uneducated or trolls, not going to entertain/take your post seriously after reading your past comments. Have a nice day/XI virtual life. :)

[DarkStoneDragon]

I made this thread to discuss the future of FFXI, but what WoW and Afania did was more less bring games up they like more, Teraniku brought up 2 games that's older and still running as examples (which is fine imo), this thread was intended for a discussion to discuss the idea of weather or not a HD upgrade would be possible and see how many people would like to see it happen, as well as the lifespan it has left, my Wife and I love this game as it is, we would like an HD upgrade if it was possible, or a remastered ver like they did with kingdom hearts 1.5 hd (maybe call it FFXI.5 lol jk), but can we keep it to the topics on FFXI please? like I said Teraniku used other games as examples (which gives hope for a longer future ahead for XI) not saying what was better than XI and that's ok.

[WoW]

^^Don't have do worry about a thing; like I said, not going to reply, "just because;" she can have the last word, idc.

Back to the OP; no XI will not die anytime soon, I am only one guy; XI is boring to me; Draylo loves it, but we all agree that XI will not die anytime soon, but imo, it will no compete with other titles 2014 and beyond.

[newmonkey]

Gonna break in down for you real quick;

You are butt hurt because you were trashed/owned in that pet job thread pertaining to sam, I was not the one whom owning you, my comments were not really directed at no individual in particular.

I am quitting XI, big deal. i don't understand why players get offensive when someone quits or criticizes XI; they have your money, isn't that enough, lol? If you like XI, fine; if I am bored, so what?

Afania, stop taking your frustrations out me because Balloon and Olor ran you out of this thread with facts; http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/43737-Please-nerf-monk-and-samurai-so-other-DDs-can-play/page20. Olor and Balloon know their $hit, no clue why you tried to mix it up with those two "Shrugs" You are all over the place now. Draylo made a sarcastic remark, no harm, no foul, but you wanted to take it to another level/personal because you got your feelings hurt. I did not post much in that thread and I was on record saying it was not sam's fault, but I seen the thrashing you took regardless. I am on and off XI atm, hence do not post/play much.

I also decided to stay out of heated debates (Or in your case thrashings), because I am not into XI like that anymore. If you are looking for a fight, you are not going to get one, I suggest you get back in this thread and handle your business http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/43737-Please-nerf-monk-and-samurai-so-other-DDs-can-play/page20. If you want the last word, you can have it, but do not expect a reply. Your post appear to be either uneducated or trolls, not going to entertain/take your post seriously after reading your past comments. Have a nice day/XI virtual life. :)

Ok i need to step in here in what universe do Olor and Balloon know there shit ? Both spend more time crying on this forum than in game. Balloon even uses words like "buttdevesated" i mean what the hell is that about and how stupid does it sound, if he said that to someone in the uk he would probably get punched in the face.

[WoW]

Ok i need to step in here in what universe do Olor and Balloon know there shit ? Both spend more time crying on this forum than in game. Balloon even uses words like "buttdevesated" i mean what the hell is that about and how stupid does it sound, if he said that to someone in the uk he would probably get punched in the face.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/43832-your-thoughts-on-the-future-of-ffxi

[newmonkey]

Like i said both Olor and Balloon spend more time on this forum than in game. They both openly admit this and yet it is those two who are the most vocal, i'm sick of them and i'm sure others are sick of seeing them on here, it's time both just left the forum for a good while.

[Balloon]

Like i said both Olor and Balloon spend more time on this forum than in game. They both openly admit this and yet it is those two who are the most vocal, i'm sick of them and i'm sure others are sick of seeing them on here, it's time both just left the forum for a good while.

I live in the uk, never punched in the face, thanks.

There's also an ignore list on these forums. Go to my profile, click 'Add to Ignore' list, it'll be better for your blood pressure.

You seem to have a history of abusing people on their comment section of ffxiah. Buttdevestated might not have been my most mature moment, but I don't hunt people down on different forums and call them slags. Seems less mature.

[DarkStoneDragon]

Like i said both Olor and Balloon spend more time on this forum than in game. They both openly admit this and yet it is those two who are the most vocal, i'm sick of them and i'm sure others are sick of seeing them on here, it's time both just left the forum for a good while.


I live in the uk, never punched in the face, thanks.

There's also an ignore list on these forums. Go to my profile, click 'Add to Ignore' list, it'll be better for your blood pressure.

You seem to have a history of abusing people on their comment section of ffxiah. Buttdevestated might not have been my most mature moment, but I don't hunt people down on different forums and call them slags. Seems less mature.
Can you please take your argument somewhere else? this is not the thread for this... as I have asked before.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

Like i said both Olor and Balloon spend more time on this forum than in game. They both openly admit this and yet it is those two who are the most vocal, i'm sick of them and i'm sure others are sick of seeing them on here, it's time both just left the forum for a good while.


I live in the uk, never punched in the face, thanks.

There's also an ignore list on these forums. Go to my profile, click 'Add to Ignore' list, it'll be better for your blood pressure.

You seem to have a history of abusing people on their comment section of ffxiah. Buttdevestated might not have been my most mature moment, but I don't hunt people down on different forums and call them slags. Seems less mature.


Can you please take your argument somewhere else? this is not the thread for this... as I have asked before.

Yes, I agree DarkStoneDragon.

Please can you take anger issues while not showing hatred or showing hatred towards others on these forums, simply find a way to step back, take a break and calm down then post positively while I agree this is not the place for boys and girls or anyone to fight and enrage others into being upset by doing so, so now back on topic that I do agree ffxi has a long self life partly because it always has changes or its ability to adapt to players needs of this particular game with feed back from there player based fans, therefore it will be around for a long time even if kind of dwindles in the keeping up with adjusting the game with all the work behind the game that we don't see them doing and taking time to cover to many things the game has to adjust all at once.

[WoW]

Well to put it in perspective:

-Both Ultima Online and Everquest are still running and they are older than FFXI, so as long as there's enough money coming in SE won't cancel it. The only time you should start getting worried is when this game goes into maintenance mode, and that isn't happening for quite a while yet.

-Graphics update would be wonderful (or heck, I'd prefer a DX Wrapper upgrade, which would allow stuff like more realistic water effects) but highly unlikely to happen.

Good point;

Ultimately, it is on SE/players. XI is approaching 14 years iirc, not bad. As i mentioned before, XI will always have its' loyal followers, but ppl like me are not, hence will play XI on and off, or, quit completely (What I am leaning towards). I play a plethora of MMOs, XI was never my favorite/most played MMO, but it is a decent game nonetheless. Asura's population reached 900-1k when I was on, so ppl do play. Doubt that warrants a cut off/shutdown, unless subs drop drastically or something.

I have done nearly everything I can/want, save build a R.E.M or reach lvl99 on all jobs, however, I have the necessary funds to build a relic, hence will be satisfied knowing I could have, but chose not to^^ There appears to be nothing left for me to do; I even swapped characters to make things a bit more appealing, galka > hume main, but I burned through that one as-well, as it pertains to missions, money, battles, etc. I was around since 2004, doing sky, ground kings, etc, which is why I have become bored.

Imo, XI will be around; ppl will come and go, that is the nature of MMOs, but the loyal will stay. I tend to enjoy other MMOs more-so than XI, which is one of the reasons for my departure, no time for XI really, between others MMOs, offline games, classes, and work. However, I am only one person, others appear to enjoy it. XI has aged, with age comes a decline in subs. Imo, XI will not compete, but rather, just stay alive. Which is all it needs to do.

[newmonkey]

newmonky that is quite enough of your behavior, calm down and stop trying to force fighting, stop trying to cause it because of folks not seeing eye to eye the way you do and we all see the world differently then others and not the correct way to be or go about things! One of best thing's you can do for yourself is: if you can seek some counseling, professional counseling on it\issues to get it resolved and resolved fast into getting it fixed and getting yourself under control! Please & Thanks!

Haha thanks for the advice! I should get some counseling for some of the stuff i see posted on here im scared for life lol.

[Afania]

Gonna break in down for you real quick;

You are butt hurt because you were trashed/owned in that pet job thread pertaining to sam, I was not the one whom owning you, my comments were not really directed at no individual in particular.

I am quitting XI, big deal. i don't understand why players get offensive when someone quits or criticizes XI; they have your money, isn't that enough, lol? If you like XI, fine; if I am bored, so what?

Afania, stop taking your frustrations out me because Balloon and Olor ran you out of this thread with facts; http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/43737-Please-nerf-monk-and-samurai-so-other-DDs-can-play/page20. Olor and Balloon know their $hit, no clue why you tried to mix it up with those two "Shrugs" You are all over the place now. Draylo made a sarcastic remark, no harm, no foul, but you wanted to take it to another level/personal because you got your feelings hurt. I did not post much in that thread and I was on record saying it was not sam's fault, but I seen the thrashing you took regardless. I am on and off XI atm, hence do not post/play much.

I also decided to stay out of heated debates (Or in your case thrashings), because I am not into XI like that anymore. If you are looking for a fight, you are not going to get one, I suggest you get back in this thread and handle your business http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/43737-Please-nerf-monk-and-samurai-so-other-DDs-can-play/page20. If you want the last word, you can have it, but do not expect a reply. Your post appear to be either uneducated or trolls, not going to entertain/take your post seriously after reading your past comments. Have a nice day/XI virtual life. :)


Because I pointed out facts and present an opinion about this game, I'm "butt hurt?" Because you(and some other readers in that thread) agreed with their opinion, so I'm "trashed and owned"? From what I've seen, both sides of argument has supporters.

This is forum, I have opinions about the game direction, and I don't agree with Balloon/Olor's opinion. All the argument I ever post is never on personal lv, but only about points and logic.

I didn't write the above comment because I had an issue with you, I simply don't understand the logic behind your decision making: Bashed job balance on a forum(which is fine, really) then proceed to praise other titles you have no experience with, one of them has even worse job balance.

If anything you sounds like a troll more, lol.

[Afania]

^^Don't have do worry about a thing; like I said, not going to reply, "just because;" she can have the last word, idc.



Nah, don't bother. I do pick logical flaws on forum discussions, if you reply you'd just create more flaws for me to pick.


I made this thread to discuss the future of FFXI, but what WoW and Afania did was more less bring games up they like more,

Except he didn't, lol. He brought up games that he has no experience with, it's also kinda immature to do so and irrelevant to the discussion to begin with.

[WoW]

ppl may think I am crazy, but imo, SE could release a direct sequel to XI. Doubt XIV is the last SE MMO. I foresee another XI-esque MMO in the future. Perhaps they are already planning for the worst, in case XI playerbase dwindles drastically.

[Olor]

I wish they would release an HD FFXI with some cleaned up code that we could port our characters to. I love this game but it's really being held back by some ancient architecture. I think it will keep going as long as they aren't losing money on it. Worst case scenario it goes down to 1 server and gets zero updates. Bet it could last like that indefinitely since the cost would be tiny and some people would keep paying.

I get the feeling they don't want a mainline numbered final fantasy to no longer exist. It will be interesting to see if they can keep it going. I wish they would fix some balance issues though. Really its the biggest thing discouraging me from continuing to pay/play.

[WoW]

I wish they would release an HD FFXI with some cleaned up code that we could port our characters to. I love this game but it's really being held back by some ancient architecture. I think it will keep going as long as they aren't losing money on it. Worst case scenario it goes down to 1 server and gets zero updates. Bet it could last like that indefinitely since the cost would be tiny and some people would keep paying.

I get the feeling they don't want a mainline numbered final fantasy to no longer exist. It will be interesting to see if they can keep it going. I wish they would fix some balance issues though. Really its the biggest thing discouraging me from continuing to pay/play.

I agree, the balance issues are disturbing, but imo, if you love the game, play it/pay for it. I play other MMOs and offline games, which is the main reason why I canceled. I mean, why pay for something when you are logging on for like 20mins?

Some ppl get bored of XI, others do not; not sure why this causes a storm, it is simply the personal aspect of gaming. I mean, how can I say "XI is not fun for you" or "XI is fun for you" i can't......I was always an on and off subscriber to XI, rarely did my options continue into the next month, but rather, i would pay when i felt like playing again (Glad they fixed the 30 day rule from old times).

The day XI sees no updates may be the same day it shutdowns imo; I do not foresee such a thing anytime soon. XIV is the main attraction, but it died once before, XIV will die before XI imo. XI will not compete with newer MMOs, but it has a niche, XIV is pretty shallow and will not last imo. Iirc, they are already discussing a re-haul of the flawed class system; which is disturbing, because beta players pointed out potential flaws with this system.........SE appears to be an extremely short-sighted company.

[madmartin]

I don't think the game will see any major graphics upgrade, if they did they'd have to keep the game scalable to the original gfx as their are probably still quite a lot of people still playing on old or low end pcs. im no expert but i doubt they'd be able to create the game in dx9/10/11 while keeping the game scalable to how it originally was, very easily!
i dont think ffxi looks too bad even now - some old game you look at and think "how did i ever think this game had good gfx" but this game i can still stand to look at! i tried Darkfall unholy wars the other day and that looked terrible!

[Olor]

I care less about the graphics and more about the limitations of the engine... like saying "we can't improve collaborator because server limitations" or "congestion" with their weird fake instancing... I'd love to see the game get ported to an engine that can do modern things better.

[Kona4me]

I'd like to see it last as long as possible, FFXI is a special MMO for me and i wish for HD version or XI-2 for it.

i just drooped out of FFXIV because i felt it was boring and has stupid movement animation, instance everything, SMN looks like a warlock, etc...

[Balloon]

I liked FFXIV a lot when I played it, the combat system for the most part was a lot more interesting than FFXIs engage and hit.

Yet, I can't get over no gearswaps in FFXIV. Everything is literally a vertical climb, and it outdates content so quickly.. I'd love any other mmo to tackle it. FFXIV could handle it quite well, but there's an established system in place, to include it now would invalidate so much.

If we ever got a FFXI-2 I would hope that they'd update the engine to alway for more dynamic fights while also allowing for gearswaps. I doubt that'll happen though..

[Deirdre]

I liked FFXIV a lot when I played it, the combat system for the most part was a lot more interesting than FFXIs engage and hit.

Yet, I can't get over no gearswaps in FFXIV. Everything is literally a vertical climb, and it outdates content so quickly.. I'd love any other mmo to tackle it. FFXIV could handle it quite well, but there's an established system in place, to include it now would invalidate so much.

If we ever got a FFXI-2 I would hope that they'd update the engine to alway for more dynamic fights while also allowing for gearswaps. I doubt that'll happen though..

Please no to the 'engaging' combat. Part of XI's charm is the slower pace where JAs matter, and you actually have to use tactics that don't revolve around 'frantically look around for a red circle on the floor, then move!".

[Arbalest]

Please no to the 'engaging' combat. Part of XI's charm is the slower pace where JAs matter, and you actually have to use tactics that don't revolve around 'frantically look around for a red circle on the floor, then move!".

This.

FFXIV's combat is not engaging. There's no random elements.. nothing is put to chance in bossfights. It's all incredibly mechanical, especially with the entire battle system based on dodging giant floor markers to avoid AoE attacks.

Besides, I like being able to play a different kind of MMO that doesn't involve flooding my damn screen with a million icons that I need to mash, mash, and mash more; I like playing FFXI.

[deeg]

While FF14 provides a more updated visual experience and has a lot of quality of life enhancements over FFXI... I still find FFXI the superior game. For reasons already noted, FFXI has a more engaging combat system and the sub-job system far surpasses the armory system in terms of both flavor and function.

So long as FF14 focuses on providing a very streamlined MMO experience, I think FF11 has a good number of years left. Even with its warts and missteps, not one modern MMO has yet to provide the depth and mystery that older MMOs provided.

[Selindrile]

I could not agree with the last 3 posts more, nails on the head, I would love more Quality of Life updates, maybe an Engine Revamp and a Visual update, but, even if those things don't happen, FFXI still has some wonderful things that no other game does quite as well at the moment.

[DarkStoneDragon]

Please no to the 'engaging' combat. Part of XI's charm is the slower pace where JAs matter, and you actually have to use tactics that don't revolve around 'frantically look around for a red circle on the floor, then move!".


This.

FFXIV's combat is not engaging. There's no random elements.. nothing is put to chance in bossfights. It's all incredibly mechanical, especially with the entire battle system based on dodging giant floor markers to avoid AoE attacks.

Besides, I like being able to play a different kind of MMO that doesn't involve flooding my damn screen with a million icons that I need to mash, mash, and mash more; I like playing FFXI.


While FF14 provides a more updated visual experience and has a lot of quality of life enhancements over FFXI... I still find FFXI the superior game. For reasons already noted, FFXI has a more engaging combat system and the sub-job system far surpasses the armory system in terms of both flavor and function.

So long as FF14 focuses on providing a very streamlined MMO experience, I think FF11 has a good number of years left. Even with its warts and missteps, not one modern MMO has yet to provide the depth and mystery that older MMOs provided.


I could not agree with the last 3 posts more, nails on the head, I would love more Quality of Life updates, maybe an Engine Revamp and a Visual update, but, even if those things don't happen, FFXI still has some wonderful things that no other game does quite as well at the moment.
I couldn't agree more, I know there,s more posts like these just didn't want to make a wall-o-text post, 14 maybe for others, for me there was no fun factor, my Wife and I can enjoy 11, home sweet home Vana'diel is where are hearts are.

[Janethetaru]

I see FFXI as one of the MMOs that go on and on ....
DAoC & the original Everquest are still going! why? Because people still play them. It was mentioned a few time that as long as there are people who keep playing and that SE is making a profit most likely they will keep at least 1 sever going until the point that they start losing money, and even then depending on how much they lose they might keep it going for a little while longer. But with as many people that still play I do not see FFXI going anywhere anytime soon.

#1: ^I can't like this post enough times. Amen. FFXI isn't going anywhere. For my money, it's still the best MMO on the market. The job/subjob system alone makes for the widest array of gameplay options on a single character of any game I've ever played. The level of customization within a single job isn't as high as WoW, but who cares, WoW sucks. I can't wait for all the game jumpers who go to whatever MMO is new and exciting to drop FFXIV:ARR like rats fleeing a sinking ship, and for it to fail just like EQ2 so we get some of our staff back.

#2. Most people think they would have to discontinue ps2 support. Considering playstation is on ps4 now, that could be a possibility in the future, surely by the time there's a PS-5. However, IIRC there was an optional graphics upgrade released for everquest, so I don't see why they can't do the same. Some people don't want a graphics upgrade because they play this game for nostalgia, or because they have ancient computers or love their ps2's. For so many reasons it would have to be optional, and that just doesn't strike me as their style. But we can hope.

also yes, merge some servers already, jeez. With the decreased cost and waiting period for server transfers, people will sort of clump together on the bigger servers. Make your money off that business and then start merging smaller servers together.

[Ultimoore]

This Final Fantasy in my humble opinion is the GREATEST Final Fantasy EVER! Here are my reasons for my statement:


- The first Final Fantasy where you could truely create your own character.

- The story and worlds lore is second to none in terms of playablility.

- With recent "Trust Magic", players can create their own party?! YES PLEASE!

- I cannot stress enough about GEOMANCER people. Loved that class since I was a kid.

- Combat is awsome as well.

With all these points in mind. If the day should ever come where SE has to shut down FFXI. I would absolutly 1000% buy a single player HD version of FFXI. This can work 2 ways.

1. People who had never played the game can play by themselves or invite a friend to play through a personal server.

2. People can opt in and pay a monthly fee to SE to rent a server for a large group of players.

This game still has a bright future even if the MMO is done. and Like I said even if they shut down support I would re-buy a Offline HD version for SteamOS ;)

[Atomic_Skull]

The real reason they didn't port FFXI to the PS3 was because of Sony's policy that PS2 games ported to the PS3 must be given a graphics update.

I don't think you will see a complete overhaul but updating the graphics engine to DirectX 11 would be possible. This wouldn't require a complete overhaul of the content, just update the graphics engine and use the same models and zones. A few updated graphics effects like global shadows updated water effects and 60fps wouldn't be too much work either. Also I'm certain they have high res versions of the textures, texture artists don't typically work with 128x128 postage stamps they draw the textures at a higher resolution and then scale them down.

[Pixela]

I can't think of one valid reason a company would close down an mmo like ffxi.

Cheap to run, cheap to produce content for and a large playerbase (by most mmo standards).

No matter what FFXIV does it has no relevence to FFXI, they are pretty much now hitting different audiences. They would do more damage than good by closing down a game people still like and play, especially JP players. Did you see the rage and hatred to the publisher when they closed down city of heroes? Even players that don't play FFXI anymore would be angry at Square for closing down an mmo they have such feelings for as they do with this one.

Anyway to answer the question, once you see development stop it has a few years left at that point. A company that has put an mmo out to pasture is one they stop spending money developing. Since it still gets regular updates it has many many years left in it. They will close it down when it doesn't have enough players to sustain its cost. Most mmo titles run and are profitable with 2-3 servers.

FFXIV players should be more worried honestly, since that game is now seemingly not profitable enough to sustain itself without the desperate move of adding a cash shop (Selling mounts for $25 lol). Something FFXI has run just fine without for 12 years now.

[Olor]

In my dreams FFXI gets an expansion which updates the physics to add flying and swimming.

In reality, it will keep running for at least another 5 years, with a slowly declining population.

[Shirai]

In my dreams FFXI gets an expansion which updates the physics to add flying and swimming.

As we still get stopped by 3 inches of snow in Xarcabard and inivsible walls in Jeuno, I don't see this happen very soon.

[Draylo]

The game has another expansion coming, just watch.

[Mitruya]

I don't want this game to die until I see the Mithran homeland ...

[Draylo]

I think you mean the far east, who cares about Mithra! I wanna see Phoenix and Tenzen.

[Shirai]

Orcish empire

[Numquam]

1. Yes, and even if people stopped playing, they would keep merging and merging until there were maybe 2 servers left. Question would be: Would there be any more good updates and tweaks to problems after that.

2. Hell no. This game looks great for its graphics. I have no idea why people need games to keep having better and better graphics. The fact that you can easily see chat font and your character's eyes blinks and a breathing-motion is awesome. No facelift please. Es purfect!

[Dale]

1. Yes, and even if people stopped playing, they would keep merging and merging until there were maybe 2 servers left. Question would be: Would there be any more good updates and tweaks to problems after that.

2. Hell no. This game looks great for its graphics. I have no idea why people need games to keep having better and better graphics. The fact that you can easily see chat font and your character's eyes blinks and a breathing-motion is awesome. No facelift please. Es purfect!

I agree that the graphics are fine. I actually prefer them over Final Fantasy 14's graphics to be honest with you (I know that may sound weird but it's true). They are also easier on my hardware too and less likely to cause performance problems.

[Mitruya]

I think you mean the far east, who cares about Mithra! I wanna see Phoenix and Tenzen.

Ok, ok, I want to see them too. ;p

[Camiie]

I think you mean the far east, who cares about Mithra! I wanna see Phoenix and Tenzen.

While a Far East expansion would be cool, I don't see the appeal of Tenzen at all. Every time I fight him I'm highly disappointed that he doesn't actually die.

[Decarboxylate]

The game has another expansion coming, just watch.

I really hope you are right. ^^

[DarkStoneDragon]

I haven't been able to pay sub due to lack of paypal. My sub is out. I have called SE I get a rep. that says "They don't know until it's posted on the forums or site" according to them they are as much in the dark as we are, so just like 14 my Wife and I had to quit 11 as well. Good luck.

[d3afn3ss1337]

The game has another expansion coming, just watch.

It would be nice, but we are aware of that Abyssea killed FFXI and lost thousands of players, SoA barely revived FFXI a very little bit, but it didn't get all players back to FFXI as we kinda expected. I'd be overjoyed if they recreated FFXI (and kept it classy such as the battle system and others.) This will get many returning players back (and get more new players too.)


EDIT: My girlfriend and I were having a little chit-chat about remaking FFXI, and I want to show y'all one of her texts:

"yeah we tend to buy remake games rather than next generation games like pokemon remake omega and alpha. I really love those games. A lot of good memories."

Like SE did it to FFXIV and pulled millions of players into the game, so why not for FFXI? SE likes money, right? RIGHT?

[Pixela]

It would be nice, but we are aware of that Abyssea killed FFXI and lost thousands of players, SoA barely revived FFXI a very little bit, but it didn't get all players back to FFXI as we kinda expected. I'd be overjoyed if they recreated FFXI (and kept it classy such as the battle system and others.) This will get many returning players back (and get more new players too.)


EDIT: My girlfriend and I were having a little chit-chat about remaking FFXI, and I want to show y'all one of her texts:

"yeah we tend to buy remake games rather than next generation games like pokemon remake omega and alpha. I really love those games. A lot of good memories."

Like SE did it to FFXIV and pulled millions of players into the game, so why not for FFXI? SE likes money, right? RIGHT?

FFXIV doesn't have millions of players.

Also the problem with remaking FFXI is that you could damage the thing you're trying to make better, the niche FFXI has is that it plays on almost anything and people are highly attached to the look of the game. It's incredibly difficult to update graphics without losing the appearl of what you already have, at least form a character perspective.

[d3afn3ss1337]

FFXIV doesn't have millions of players.

Also the problem with remaking FFXI is that you could damage the thing you're trying to make better, the niche FFXI has is that it plays on almost anything and people are highly attached to the look of the game. It's incredibly difficult to update graphics without losing the appearl of what you already have, at least form a character perspective.

"Speaking of "people," if you speak of the players who still play, I doubt that ALL of them will lose their interest if there are new graphics, but don't forget about new players it could pull.

I worry more about the beloved gameplay rather than the graphics. Like I said, if they keep it classy.

Speaking of new graphics, they don't have to be like FFXIV, specifically. Maybe more like FF12, but with HD textures which would be very nice.

PS: I didn't mean millions of players as subscribers.

[Vivivivi]

1. Yes absolutely. Just look at the new social features that were added.
2. Would love it, no idea how plausible it is.

[Fiko]

FFXIV doesn't have millions of players.

Also the problem with remaking FFXI is that you could damage the thing you're trying to make better, the niche FFXI has is that it plays on almost anything and people are highly attached to the look of the game. It's incredibly difficult to update graphics without losing the appearl of what you already have, at least form a character perspective.

It has over 2 million as of April of this year, and is well on its way to hit 3 million pretty soon.

That said, I don't foresee any sort of an FFXI remaster for reasons everyone has stated. I also don't see it dying anytime soon.

[Afania]

It has over 2 million as of April of this year, and is well on its way to hit 3 million pretty soon.

That said, I don't foresee any sort of an FFXI remaster for reasons everyone has stated. I also don't see it dying anytime soon.

If I remember correctly, 2M isn't active subscription, it's registered account.

[Pixela]

It has over 2 million as of April of this year, and is well on its way to hit 3 million pretty soon.

That said, I don't foresee any sort of an FFXI remaster for reasons everyone has stated. I also don't see it dying anytime soon.

As Afania said that's not players, if I had to guess I would say FFXIV at this point probably has around 200k subscribers since the producer said they had 600k subs and lost around 40% within the first 4 months, probably a lot less now actually since the new wow expansion came out and they try to compete directly with wow. Still good numbers but not given how long the game has been out and how much money they sank into it.

Of which is more profitable right now FFXI will be, which is why they will keep pumping out expansions for it.

I don't think people actually realise how profitable old mmo titles are and how a dedicated invested playerbase coupled with easy and cheap to make updates are more profitable than costly and volatile titles.

NCSoft recently put out their financial reports, this is the company that runs Aion, Guild wars 2, Wildstar, blade and soul, Lineage 1 and 2 etc. Guess which game made them the most profit? Lineage 1 (an MMO that people would say is dying/dead since it's nearly 17 years old now), an mmo that came out in 1998 made more profits for the company than wildstar, GW2, blade and soul all put together.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632/view/forums/thread/423607/NCSoft-3rd-Quarter-Earnings.html

[Makenshi]

I hope it has a fair bit of life left. And i'd like to see a new expansion. With the SoE story over i'm not sure how much longer i will play.

My hope is that FF11 is get a spin off one day set in unexplored lands that we havent seen (far east, mithra homeland ect) and maybe even in a different time, like how the ivalice alliance works. 11 has the most interesting world out of every FF by far.