What am I going to do with all this Mage gear?! [Puppetmaster Equipment]

[Balloon]

So I know that the level of item vomit and jobs on a new piece of equipment is largely automated, but I think it's about time you updated whatever table you use to put PUP on gear to reflect it's actual role.

We've been a job since 2006, and 8 years later we're still getting placed onto gear such as Perdition Slops and Seshaw Cape. We do not need Occult Accumen gear, we have no mana.

It's kind of insulting that gear we could actually use, like the new Jupon and Onimusha-No-Kote, we're left off of. I get that the job selection seems to be based on what was on the older pieces of gear (Like the Sekhmet Corset), but perhaps you should spend some time having a look at the items you're gonna add first.

With the announcement that you're going to try to buff pet jobs slightly, it would be nice to have things like this, that have plagued us for 8 years, be addressed.

[Mitruya]

I noticed that too. Very disappointing.

ETA: I remember /SCH used to be a thing, though I never tried it. Are we expected to /WHM or something? Even with the magey-type gear, I don't see PUP functioning as some kind of magey-hybrid job.

[Balloon]

I noticed that too. Very disappointing.

ETA: I remember /SCH used to be a thing, though I never tried it. Are we expected to /WHM or something? Even with the magey-type gear, I don't see PUP functioning as some kind of magey-hybrid job.

Speculation is that for a long time Puppetmaster was conceived as a Necromancer, the job was changed late on and they never fixed the gear it was supposed to appear on. For a long time they said it was Lore reasons that we were on cloth gear.

[Sirkus]

Back when Abyssea came out, PUP/WHM was a viable healer in Aby area's with the right atma's equipped. With the puppet Cure VI bombing, mixed with your Cure IV's, you could cure multiple people at once, and it actually worked out quite well. I'm actually disappointed that PUP hasn't been put on any of the new mage gear. I liked having multiple gear sets for different occasions.

[Balloon]

Anything was a viable anything in Abyssea.

Having different gear for different situations is fine, it's what makes the game great, but getting put on capes that literally have nothing but MAB, or pants that have Occult Accumen + Doesn't demonstrate Squares desire for PUP to be this versatile every class, it demonstrates ignorance on their part of what PUP does more often than not. We cannot, do not and should not nuke.

There's frankly no reason we should be on mage gear. We are not a mage. We get often overlooked on some of the DD slots because of it. I'm asking for a less automated look at gear design, because I find it very suspect we're not on that Jupon when it's a cloth piece of armor.

Puppetmaster is probably the worst job in the game at the moment. With ilvl gear our one marketable trait, the ability to solo older content, is not worth anything. Trusts provide that ability outside of certain content, and inside anything sub dancer can be just as efficacious as us.

What sometimes scares me about pup is the amount of people who will insist the job is fine because they enjoy it. Getting put on mage gear for 8 years is not okay without a fundamental reworking of what our job does, and there's not a single area today I can think of where it'd be beneficial.

[Glamdring]

at least they put us on Espials for sparks gear, the light DD stuff. Imagine how the rng feel, stuck on Wayfarers which did absolutely NOTHING for them, I guess they can /rdm and Flurry themselves now, but still, that isn't worth it.

[Balloon]

I'd love an answer to this at some point :(

[Balloon]

The localization leader told me that this was done manually, so it's an intentional decision.

Why?

[Balloon]

A list that I compiled in 5 minutes, not definitive, level 99 gear some of it is very recent.
Chelona Blazer
Manasa Chasuble
Wikyo Cloak
Weather. Robe +1
Wayfarer Robe
Haruspex Coat
Orvail Robe +1
Chelona Hat
Wayfarer Circlet
Orvail Corona +1
Weather. Corona
Haruspex Hat
Chelona Gloves
Weath. Cuffs +1
Wayfarer Cuffs
Haruspex Cuffs
Algidus Cape
Gwyddion's Cape
Taubran Cape
Swith Cape
Medala Cape
Seshaw Cape
Kumbira Cape
Savior Mantle
Pahtli Cape
Ogapepo Cape
Maniacus Sash
Bougonia Rope
Ovate Rope
Wohpe's Sabots
Battlecast Gaiters


So I ask. Why the hell is PUP on occult Accumen gear, or MAB gear, or cure gear. Christ.

[Balloon]

This wouldn't be too bad if we were put on all the appropriate gear, but we aren't.

Yes, I am bumping this thread on the regular.

[Mitruya]

The recent BLU thread has me wondering if the Japanese play pet jobs, because apparently they are not causing enough of an uproar like we are to see some decent changes.

[Balloon]

It's been the status quo too long, complained about in the past but never changed. I just want a reason, however nonsensical it will be.

Because what are they thinking?!

[fjamesfernandez]

>_> Seems that I missed this thread. I was trying to avoid making a thread if this was up hahaha. my bad

But it is true wtf is all this mage gear doing on pup? even with /sch its not worth it. pup doesnt have the MP pull to keep up and really? whos gonna take a pup/mage. we already have a hard time getting into a pt as pup.

[Balloon]

Congratulations on your kenkoken. I also posted a thread on localization about this and there is some information. Most notably is that gear design is manual. So it's intentional. Intentionally stupid.

Sigh.

I thought this update was going to be the big power update they alluded to a while back. Guess not

[fjamesfernandez]

Haha, thanks, and yeah. Thats the thing with new content. its never played so that each jobs can be utilized. instead people find one way of winning and stick to it. thus having to max jobs that you know youll only be using for that one fight >< like rng. If our automaton can shoot like or close to a real ranger i would rather us my pocket rng.

[Balloon]

Seraph Mittens +1
Eidolon Pendant +1 - Avatar: MAB. (Seriously, not even Pet: Mab?)
Saevus Pendant +1 - Magic Attack Bonus.
Yamabuki-No-Obi - Magic Attack Bonus.
Felicitas Cape +1 - Magic Accuracy
Vates Cape +1 - healing Skill
Oretania's Cape +1 - Cure Potency.
Tempered Cape +1 - Healing Skill/Cure Pot.

Why. Just.. why?

[Corvus1987]

Balloon is a pup prophet. Rage bump.

[Elvyn]

Was just looking at all the fail myself. I take it SE has stopped pretending is gives a damm about pup? We have been entirely left out of the "Light" DD armor... though with Mekosuchinae Harness I don't even think the DEV's know what they are doing anymore.
Also;
Ombre Tathlum +1
Hasty Pinion +1
Elder's Grip +1
Dilet.'s Grip +1
Quartz Tathlum +1

Grips and Ammo's for all those situations when you don't need your Auto ilvl'd and just wanna smack s**t with a staff ¬_¬; (Feeling the urge to smack SE with a staff)