109/119 Empyrean Armor, Can we have it?

[Antanias]

We got 109/119 versions of af and relic, but will the third set of AF get the same treatment?

[WoW]

Hopefully they are not generic like their AF and Relic counter-parts. Aka, throw a plethora of stats on them and call it a day. Nin and bst sets were pretty underwhelming imo. The dual wield is nice, but meh.

[Belmonts]

They already said that every JSE gear sets will be renewed.

Need to SoA missions go further so high tier delve battlefields appear and, ergo, get the items to upgrade empy. But that will take a few more months I suppose.

[Direct]

No! Do you guys never get sick of living in the past and having rehashed content, and look what were getting next month another shadow lord fight, like we havent fought him enough times already.

I for one am sick of the old content been rehashed, lets move onwards with Adoulin and bring new content what we have never seen before.

[Martel]

I don't care what content they attach it to, but I certainly want reforged empyrean armor as soon as possible.

It was the first JSE set for DRG that was actually good DD gear. And good enough that some of it is still in use even post item level. Even if all they do is add ilvl stat vomit too it, it'll be amazing gear. Although I'd hope for a bit more than just that.

Also, Item level Creed set would be very nice.

[Lambtor]

I've got rem pages and gil stockpiled for 1 job's most important empy piece reforges, should it ever happen.

[Crimsonwizard]

I too would like to see the EAF upgrades soon, esp in the case of mage jobs, who swap in pieces from those older sets, for example Enhancing Magic, or enhancing songs, or WHM for curing, which drops your "level" and EVA/MEVA and DEF/MDB, and if your having to get near to the nice NM who just dispelled the buffs you put on your PT, and it goes for a AOE, your going to take some extra hurting, whilst maxing the potency of your Gain spell etc.

[WoW]

No! Do you guys never get sick of living in the past and having rehashed content, and look what were getting next month another shadow lord fight, like we havent fought him enough times already.

I for one am sick of the old content been rehashed, lets move onwards with Adoulin and bring new content what we have never seen before.

Nope; I am a bst, we receive a plethora of crappy recycled pets, I am quite use to it.

[Rainehx]

Before the update with the Relic/Af reforges both times the log in campaigns featured... guess what? Relic/Af/Items to upgrade to +1 and +2.

The last campaign gave +1 papers for empy gear... The current one gave empy +1 papers also......

I think its a safe bet well see the next 2 log in campaigns featuring the +2 items, and then the empy reforge update.

So most likely September/October

[Olor]

I too would like to see the EAF upgrades soon, esp in the case of mage jobs, who swap in pieces from those older sets, for example Enhancing Magic, or enhancing songs, or WHM for curing, which drops your "level" and EVA/MEVA and DEF/MDB, and if your having to get near to the nice NM who just dispelled the buffs you put on your PT, and it goes for a AOE, your going to take some extra hurting, whilst maxing the potency of your Gain spell etc.

YES. Empy gear is really necessary for mages. Very little of the artifact and relic is worth upgrading for bard, for example. I still finish songs in my Empy +2.

[Malithar]

Before the update with the Relic/Af reforges both times the log in campaigns featured... guess what? Relic/Af/Items to upgrade to +1 and +2.

The last campaign gave +1 papers for empy gear... The current one gave empy +1 papers also......

I think its a safe bet well see the next 2 log in campaigns featuring the +2 items, and then the empy reforge update.

This has been happening for.... I wanna say 8+ campaigns now. They've typically alternated +1s > +2s > +1s > +2s, with a few campaigns here and there that lacked them.

[Trumpy]

We wont see reforges for Empy armors until Run Geo get their equivalent armors. We jsut got mythic weapon equivalent so Hopefully its pretty soon. cant think of much gear thats between when we got the original mythic weapons and when we got the original empy (abyssea).

I jsut hope geos empy armor is that armor from the concept arts we saw where it was the classic blue robe with a blue hood.

[Demonjustin]

No! Do you guys never get sick of living in the past and having rehashed content, and look what were getting next month another shadow lord fight, like we havent fought him enough times already.

I for one am sick of the old content been rehashed, lets move onwards with Adoulin and bring new content what we have never seen before.If Empyrean wasn't reforged my RDM would still be using Estoqueur's +2 for tons of Enhancing spells including the legs and cape in every single enhancing related set. Sorry, but yes I rather live in the past a few more months for that set to upgraded at very least. I'd rather live in the past long enough for items like Rajas/Tamas Ring to be upgraded and the ToAU Rings to be upgraded as well. There's a lot of things I'd love to see brought into today's game, rather than what would come in Adoulin which would surely not replace these things as full spiritual successors.

[detlef]

If Empyrean wasn't reforged my RDM would still be using Estoqueur's +2 for tons of Enhancing spells including the legs and cape in every single enhancing related set. Sorry, but yes I rather live in the past a few more months for that set to upgraded at very least. I'd rather live in the past long enough for items like Rajas/Tamas Ring to be upgraded and the ToAU Rings to be upgraded as well. There's a lot of things I'd love to see brought into today's game, rather than what would come in Adoulin which would surely not replace these things as full spiritual successors.Instead of unique and distinctive RDM gear, wouldn't you prefer yet another Chasuble? Stop living in the past!

[AppropriateName5786]

No! Do you guys never get sick of living in the past and having rehashed content, and look what were getting next month another shadow lord fight, like we havent fought him enough times already.

I for one am sick of the old content been rehashed, lets move onwards with Adoulin and bring new content what we have never seen before.

I've been saying this all along, too. If the current trend continues, getting Dynamis v3.0 and Neo-Neo Nyzul is not far-fetched. Then comes Legion v2.0 and Neo-Voidwatch, followed by Neo-Delve in a couple of years. After all, why spend time and money making new content when your playerbase's standards are so low they'll keep paying you to tamper with a few lines of code to recycle content from a decade ago?

[Olor]

I've been saying this all along, too. If the current trend continues, getting Dynamis v3.0 and Neo-Neo Nyzul is not far-fetched. Then comes Legion v2.0 and Neo-Voidwatch, followed by Neo-Delve in a couple of years. After all, why spend time and money making new content when your playerbase's standards are so low they'll keep paying you to tamper with a few lines of code to recycle content from a decade ago?

If it means that the items I love and spent time getting can continue to be useful, why not? Why would I want most of the game to be completely useless? Why would I want there to be only 1 or 2 events worth doing ever? That sucks. If you think that SE is going to add enough content to replace all that content in any kind of update, you're dreaming. I'm realistic about the age and the size of the playerbase of this game. When SE allows us to upgrade new armors it doesn't just create content to be done - it also gives players a reason to do existing content rather than having it sit there useless.

Like I hadn't done any AF quests after my first job - I was just focused on burning jobs up to max level so I could use them to play with my friends. Since it was mostly completely useless and anything that wasn't was just super-min-max-situational there was absolutely no reason to get any of it. Now, even if the gear isn't best in slot, it has high enough stats to be wearable. Now I have a reason to go back and get that armor and experience those storylines than SE spent a lot of time and resources creating. I don't see how that is a bad thing. Having really neat gear that reflects our job sitting in mog storage is stupid. I'm glad SE has upgraded it.

I'd personally like them to upgrade more. I think NNI and Salvage and VW and Meebles gear should all be upgradeable. That way there would be more reason to do those events.

[AppropriateName5786]

If it means that the items I love and spent time getting can continue to be useful, why not? Why would I want most of the game to be completely useless? Why would I want there to be only 1 or 2 events worth doing ever? That sucks. If you think that SE is going to add enough content to replace all that content in any kind of update, you're dreaming. I'm realistic about the age and the size of the playerbase of this game. When SE allows us to upgrade new armors it doesn't just create content to be done - it also gives players a reason to do existing content rather than having it sit there useless.

This has nothing to do with items. We can be as nostalgic as we want with the /lockstyle feature now, but wanting "items we love" to be useful forever is like thinking that your favorite food when you were 10 will still be your favorite when you are 30. It's not so much that I want most of the game to be useless, it's the fact that most of the game is useless. Anyone who has been to the [S]/Abyssea/ToAU/CoP zones or simply spent any time outside of Jeuno/Adoulin would know that Vana'diel is empty.

I'm very realistic about the age of the game, and I'm certainly not dreaming. They are charging us the same price as WoW and all of the other MMOs out there, so they need to provide the same quality of content. Adoulin is an expansion pack, so the content should be focused on Adoulin and expanding its story, not recycling everything from previous expansions. Change, that is, a departure from old content, is not a bad thing. To quote Winston Churchill (I know it's a bit much on a gaming forum): "To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often."


I'd personally like them to upgrade more. I think NNI and Salvage and VW and Meebles gear should all be upgradeable. That way there would be more reason to do those events.

It took me about 1.5 years to get Orunmila's Torque, making several statics, waiting for the static's members to all be online at once, getting to Umagrhk after 1.5 months and then wiping, losing on rolls, etc. When I see that rare shout for Meebles now, I get flooded with a sense of dread. Let's just say some of us have done old content to shreds and don't look forward to repeating any of it, only this time with an ilevel attached. Don't even get me started on Salvage and Dyna.

[PlumbGame]

This has nothing to do with items. We can be as nostalgic as we want with the /lockstyle feature now, but wanting "items we love" to be useful forever is like thinking that your favorite food when you were 10 will still be your favorite when you are 30. It's not so much that I want most of the game to be useless, it's the fact that most of the game is useless. Anyone who has been to the [S]/Abyssea/ToAU/CoP zones or simply spent any time outside of Jeuno/Adoulin would know that Vana'diel is empty.

I'm very realistic about the age of the game, and I'm certainly not dreaming. They are charging us the same price as WoW and all of the other MMOs out there, so they need to provide the same quality of content. Adoulin is an expansion pack, so the content should be focused on Adoulin and expanding its story, not recycling everything from previous expansions. Change, that is, a departure from old content, is not a bad thing. To quote Winston Churchill (I know it's a bit much on a gaming forum): "To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often."



It took me about 1.5 years to get Orunmila's Torque, making several statics, waiting for the static's members to all be online at once, getting to Umagrhk after 1.5 months and then wiping, losing on rolls, etc. When I see that rare shout for Meebles now, I get flooded with a sense of dread. Let's just say some of us have done old content to shreds and don't look forward to repeating any of it, only this time with an ilevel attached. Don't even get me started on Salvage and Dyna.

The route SE is going is producing longevity for the game, whether you want to or even care to believe it, the effort going into trying to produce the amount of new content in a game like you want is not just unreasonable, but unrealistic (for this player-base). Although you say you are a veteran player, I am inclined to believe the opposite. FFXI has always been about horizontal progression, and that hasn't changed. The content isn't just being "rehashed" because of laziness (even if it is, obviously it's working, you are still giving them your money even though you don't want it), but it allows them constantly keep with their horizontal progression. Now, they COULD make enough new content to keep the horizontal progression alive in new content, but like I said previously, its unrealistic. It also defeats from FFXIs idea of always making everything relevant, even in aby days, some of the "older" gear you would call it was relevant, in order for them to keep that sense of direction in play with the new system, they HAVE to rehash. Most people know this when they come and play FFXI.

[Demonjustin]

Instead of unique and distinctive RDM gear, wouldn't you prefer yet another Chasuble? Stop living in the past!My want for old gear extends solely to that which has no replacement and will likely see no replacement elsewhere. The chances of a gear set being non-Empyrean and yet still giving enhanced Composure and enhancing magic duration is so unlikely it's not worth the risk.

[Raydeus]

Instead of unique and distinctive RDM gear, wouldn't you prefer yet another Chasuble? Stop living in the past!

I lol'd. XD


PS > Looking forward to wearing Reforged Empy armor, just not looking forward to the process of acquiring it. orz

[AppropriateName5786]

The route SE is going is producing longevity for the game, whether you want to or even care to believe it, the effort going into trying to produce the amount of new content in a game like you want is not just unreasonable, but unrealistic (for this player-base). Although you say you are a veteran player, I am inclined to believe the opposite.

Whatever floats your boat. And I am not expecting anything significant to come out of FFXI. Just not the recycle-fest that is happening now.


FFXI has always been about horizontal progression, and that hasn't changed.

Yes, clearly I imagined the whole ilevel system when I overdosed on reality. Clearly horizontal progression hasn't changed....sorry, I stopped reading after this.

[Raydeus]

They tried the disposable ilvl crap approach. It obviously didn't work well in XI.

So hopefully we will never see anything beyond ilvl 125. Otherwise might as well forget higher lvl content exists. If someone wants a retarded gear treadmill they can simply go play XIV, and it's cheaper too.

[Damane]

No! Do you guys never get sick of living in the past and having rehashed content, and look what were getting next month another shadow lord fight, like we havent fought him enough times already.

I for one am sick of the old content been rehashed, lets move onwards with Adoulin and bring new content what we have never seen before.

we are getting new content, and in your words "rehashed" content via hard mission battles. the hard mission battles have tough a unique touch to them and are very fun to do (for a while).

we got in one year:
new content:
skirmish 1.0
WKR
delve 1.0
skirmish 2.0
skirmish 3.0
delve 2.0
+ a fuckton of zones
Job points


we got in your words "rehashed" content that has total new mechanics and rewards:
AA fights
DM II
Tenzen
Ouryu
Stellar fulcrum
Cellestial nexus
Gesho
puppet in peril


I think its fairly balanced between new and your so called "rehashed" content that feels very new to me with the new mechanics.

[detlef]

On the one hand, you can definitely count the hard mode BCs as recycled content because we've done it all before. On the other hand, it's very likely something you only partook in once, maybe a couple of times to help people out. Even more so for newer players who were able to just steamroll through missions, it's definitely a new experience. Aside from that, fighting things at a level 75 cap is vastly different from fighting at a level 99 cap. Just as fighting something at level 25 is a vastly different experience. They're fun fights too, and almost all of them have unique and occasionally annoying mechanics and quirks.

My one complaint is that the gear is generally pretty ugly. The one cool piece that I'm glad made a comeback is the Kyudogi model. The ToAU reskinned gear in particular is very forgettable. In that sense, I'm pretty happy that AF and relic have made a comeback and I am hopeful that they modernize Empyrean gear sooner rather than later.

[Damane]

On the one hand, you can definitely count the hard mode BCs as recycled content because we've done it all before. On the other hand, it's very likely something you only partook in once, maybe a couple of times to help people out. Even more so for newer players who were able to just steamroll through missions, it's definitely a new experience. Aside from that, fighting things at a level 75 cap is vastly different from fighting at a level 99 cap. Just as fighting something at level 25 is a vastly different experience. They're fun fights too, and almost all of them have unique and occasionally annoying mechanics and quirks.

My one complaint is that the gear is generally pretty ugly. The one cool piece that I'm glad made a comeback is the Kyudogi model. The ToAU reskinned gear in particular is very forgettable. In that sense, I'm pretty happy that AF and relic have made a comeback and I am hopeful that they modernize Empyrean gear sooner rather than later.

the hard mode mission battles are TOTALLY different form their mission battle counterpart. They gave the mobs new abilitys/WS in some cases, in other cases gave them different resist traits forms of mitgating dmg (puppet in peril that takes decent magical dmg but very very poor physical dmg). hell all the new AA battles got the SP2 and empy WSs at their disposal which gave the battles a total new spin.
Tenzen isnt simple omg zerg him down until cosmic elucidation fight (that would auto-end the mission battle back then), but its a battle until death.
Gesho is totally fun with all those shadowclone jutsu!
and ouryu incorporates a total different way to bring him to land (proc the elementals and deal wind dmg to him immidiatly afterwards). There is more. Its not like they just raised the base stats of the mobs to match ilvl 119, they actually had to rewrite the whole script of the battle. The only thing that was reused for those battles was the zone/mob graphics the mechanics itself is totally new for each battle.

So i dont get why people say its "rehashed" content, when infact its just rehashed graphics only with new mechanics and battle/strategy, besides its not like the mission battles are only 3-4 months old, they are multiple YEARS old.

Compare that to FFXIV that gave out 3 different Primal battles out in 6 months for each of them: Normal, hard, extrem. THATS rehashed content.

[detlef]

I was trying to explain that the fights were unique and had interesting mechanics but I forgot to mention that the fights themselves are indeed vastly different from the original missions battlefields, as you said.

[Sapphire]

Not to mention people asked for re-done and harder mission fights (ESPECIALLY DM) for years. So, they were actually listening, go figure.

[Olor]

Not to mention people asked for re-done and harder mission fights (ESPECIALLY DM) for years. So, they were actually listening, go figure.

Totally, I love this idea and I was one of the ones asking for it. Especially the mission battles you can't even repeat them if you want to unless someone else actually needs them. I always wanted another go at the shadowlord and now I can do it!

[Stompa]

They said "relic and empy reforged armors will not follow the same process as artifact reforged armors" a while back, before the relic reforged arrived. So that means we will get empy HQ eventually, they are maybe taking longer because of the set-bonuses and how you can work that at 109/119.
I've spent so much time/money on the reforged AF/relic now that I'm not sure I would get empy reforged unless it was an exceptional piece. I think the Creed set might still get my attention though lol.

[Direct]

Oh come on of course its rehashed content, we farmed af gear from 50-60 we farmed dynamis gear and now were farming it all again, what about if they ever take the ilevel cap to 140 are you going to cry and stamp your feet for af/relic ilevel 140 armor next time around ? When does it end.

The game is a complete bore fest right now, log on get merits go and do a bcnm fight, rinse and repeat.

What i really love the best however is all these people screaming for af/relic/empy gear to be 119, yet when relics first took a hit half the playerbase wanted them to die, funny now that everyone has the orginal af/relic armor they suddenly love this old gear rehashed crap.

To the person who mentioned Tenzen, he is a pure joke right now, outside buffs go in and he's dead on vd in under 5 minutes it's a compelte zerg just like how he used to be regardless if we actually kill him or not at the end of the fight it's just a zerg.

All i want is new content with new gear, none of this reforged armor we already spent time getting, new gear, new fights, brand new unseen unfought content.

Maybe i should shout/scream/cry beg like a cretin for my hnm gear to be ileved, 119 ebody/dalmy, go go hnm return.

[Camate]

Hello!

While I can't give you a specific implementation time at the moment, rest assured that Empyrean armor reforging is on the way!

[WoW]

Nice^^

Really liked emp, some of the set bonuses were very nice.

[evanwimbish]

I am glad you guys changed your mind because I specifically remember the DEV team saying you did not plan on revamping empy armors

[Byrth]

I look forward to the Charis +2 set. =p

Putting stat vomit on a lot of the pieces would make them incredible.

[Fathel]

I am curious if the people complaining about rehashed content are the same people who were wailing when RME weapons were outclassed a year ago.
You can't demand an end to reused/redone/rehashed content unless you accept what you did before is going to be for naught. If you truly want the game to move on you have to let go. And as I still see shouts full of aegis/ochain pld only, and calls for 4 song bards, that is not happening.

[Pars]

I am glad you guys changed your mind because I specifically remember the DEV team saying you did not plan on revamping empy armors


when? where? link?

[FrankReynolds]

when? where? link?

I'm not gonna dig up a link because it doesn't matter, but they did originally say that.

[Babekeke]

Might just stop doing BRD AF/Relic items that don't really matter then :)

[SNK]

Calling it now. Reforge is going to involve farming abyessa items like Glavoid Shells etc.

[Louispv]

Calling it now. Reforge is going to involve farming abyessa items like Glavoid Shells etc.

Worse, 20 colorless souls per piece, for 109, then 100 Heavy Metal Plates for 119.

[sweetidealism]

Personally I hope it has nothing to do with Abyssea at all. The less time I have to spend there, the more I will enjoy the game.

[Essence]

Hello!

While I can't give you a specific implementation time at the moment, rest assured that Empyrean armor reforging is on the way!

This makes me very very happy. I loved all of the jobs' Empyrean Armor~

I'm curious as to how they're going to go about this in terms of reforging armor.

Maybe they'll add harder Abyssea content like a Zone Boss II similar to Dynamis Mega Bosses or
Voidwatch? I'm interested to see how they're going to play this out!

[Arbalest]

This makes me very very happy. I loved all of the jobs' Empyrean Armor~

I'm curious as to how they're going to go about this in terms of reforging armor.

Maybe they'll add harder Abyssea content like a Zone Boss II similar to Dynamis Mega Bosses or
Voidwatch? I'm interested to see how they're going to play this out!

Hopefully it's just existing items and chapters used in the reforging process. A lot of it is annoying enough to get.. and not to mention annoyingly expensive.

[Sapphire]

Worse, 20 colorless souls per piece, for 109, then 100 Heavy Metal Plates for 119.

I have been making cracks about Colorless Souls for Empy reforges for MONTHS and people just glare at me.

I'm telling you people, imagine the worst. Then at least you won't feel gut punched if it happens and you'll be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't!

:D

[MDenham]

Worse, 20 colorless souls per piece, for 109, then 100 Heavy Metal Plates for 119.If it works like reforging relic to 109, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something like 50/25/0 souls to reforge NQ/+1/+2 Empy, on top of chapters and ingredients (and the job-specific ingredients may very well still be various zone boss drops).

I'm going to go out on a limb, though, and guess that 119 Empy is going to require trophies from Legion as its job-specific ingredient on top of something we're really not expecting for slot-specific ingredients. (The Einherjar-specific abjurations, maybe? That'd cover the remaining endgame events that haven't been made semi-important again, I think.)

[Arbalest]

If it works like reforging relic to 109, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something like 50/25/0 souls to reforge NQ/+1/+2 Empy, on top of chapters and ingredients (and the job-specific ingredients may very well still be various zone boss drops).

I'm going to go out on a limb, though, and guess that 119 Empy is going to require trophies from Legion as its job-specific ingredient on top of something we're really not expecting for slot-specific ingredients. (The Einherjar-specific abjurations, maybe? That'd cover the remaining endgame events that haven't been made semi-important again, I think.)

That'd be awful. Please, no Legion. Or more Voidwatch crap. For the love of god.

[MDenham]

That'd be awful. Please, no Legion. Or more Voidwatch crap. For the love of god.I never said it was a good idea, but there has been a theme of "let's make events that are dying relevant again" throughout this.

[Babekeke]

Here's what I'm calling: 109 upgrade items will be bought from NPCs, the same ones that sold you the base items for Empy armour, with feet items found in gold chests.

119 will drop from a new BCNM fight in emperyal paradox.

[GoltanaBuukki]

I'm not gonna dig up a link because it doesn't matter, but they did originally say that.

I don't know how this could be true. The Chapters that are used to upgrade Relic and Artifact to 109 are called REM CHAPTERS. If you read the description on each, they are basically pages in history about a guy conveniently named "REM". What does REM stand for? Hmmm, lets see...

EMR
REM
RME

OH - RELIC - EMPYREAN - MYTHIC.

Since the pages were originally used to upgrade artifact, and then relic, and only seemed logical that it would then be used to reforge empyrean. yeah, I know that doesn't seem to go in line with the whole "RME" theme, since there is no "mythic armor". But the concept of the reforge system and the name of the chapters all but gave away what the plans for revamping this gear was, a long time ago.

Maybe I was a nerd and thought too much about this that I fel it was an absolute certainty. Even though SE denied it, i really felt like they were onto something, and it was only a matter of time until it was implemented.

[Olor]

Calling it now, they are going to use crystal petrifacts and silver mirrors. Cause they like licking up the tears of people who threw out voidwatch trash.


Personally I hope it has nothing to do with Abyssea at all. The less time I have to spend there, the more I will enjoy the game.

Hate to break it to you, but empy armor is ... FROM Abyssea. The chances of it not requiring anything from abyssea are slight.


I'm not gonna dig up a link because it doesn't matter, but they did originally say that.

You can't dig it out because it never happened. They said all along they would be upgrading empy.

[Tennotsukai]

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

[Ramzi]

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

It's already the best TP piece in the game. If they upgraded it to ilevel it would be the only piece worth using, which would kind of suck.

[Damane]

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

I am all for upgradeing AF/Relic/empy gear that are job exclusiv/job defining, but for god sake can we let old gear just die slowly without the need to carry it around for 39203923 years? let them release new gear.

[Olor]

I am all for upgradeing AF/Relic/empy gear that are job exclusiv/job defining, but for god sake can we let old gear just die slowly without the need to carry it around for 39203923 years? let them release new gear.

It's not even old though... I mean seriously. I still wear Sha'ir Manteel in my song cast reduction time set, that was added in... what like 2005? - this is a game BASED on old gear maintaining value because of gear swaps... Also, there is always something that's "best in slot" so having it be thaumas - why would that be a problem?

[Tennotsukai]

I am all for upgradeing AF/Relic/empy gear that are job exclusiv/job defining, but for god sake can we let old gear just die slowly without the need to carry it around for 39203923 years? let them release new gear.

I totally understand your point, but can you see them making any new gear better than thaumas coat? Might as well update it so we can keep ourselves from dieing so fast in tp gear.

[Arbalest]

I totally understand your point, but can you see them making any new gear better than thaumas coat? Might as well update it so we can keep ourselves from dieing so fast in tp gear.

I don't see a whole lot of value in TPing in the coat outside of specific situations, because if you lack the evasion, magic evasion, and stat vomit against most of Adoulin's content you usually die horribly.

[Essence]

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

Nah. As someone has already, Thaumas is the best TP piece in the game. It's also situational. I prefer it that way. It's already level 99 so there'd be next to no point in making it iLevel all of a sudden.

Let that sort of gear be an optional path instead of one that we glue ourselves to.

[GoltanaBuukki]

Use Thaumas if you're fighting fodder or your acc is capped. Otherwise, stick to Qaaxo, and stop complaining about everything becoming iLvl. Yeah, I have Byakko's Haidate (aug), an Osode, a BUNCH of sky gear and tons of other content gear I would have loved to see 119 (Ogiers set comes to mind), but give it a rest, will ya?

You already attack non-stop as it is. What the hell man.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

How about we take a different approach or route on what we all would like to see implemented for the added/reforged stat's of empyreon-abyssea gears rather then complain and fight about the past\past reforged gears or battlefields instead, Huh!? Why Not? {I have spaced it out to make it easier for some of you to read, who may not be able to read long combined paragraphs)

I originally posted the ideas I had on the abby gears being reforged under another thread for the Mavi Blue Mage Reforged Gear Sets and your welcome to take a look at it if you would like to with this link (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/39839-Blue-mage-Job-adjustments) but it already should be close to what I'm writing under this fourm on the reforged abyssea gears topic but not matchingg all intirely. To be honest to a response into a previous post here, I have never done or entered into the Legion battlefields yet but also I haven't seen anyone doing them and not even sure if you can even solo legion battlefields as of yet or even call fourth your alter egos + adventure Fellows into that particular Battlefield.

Now when they finally do the Reforging coming out for Empereon/Abby armor sets and weapons some time in the future and specially for the blue mages Reforged Mavi set. I would like to see them put quite a bit of refresh and regen on each piece of the gears as well as upgrades to the Blue Magic Casting Time minus -0% and Recast Delay -0%{Minus Number of percentage down-time} and also have haste% and some where fast cast as an additional on the gears that could be nice too. well i'm assuming magic evasion has to be included in order to use them against Seekers of Adoulin monsters/bosses or mega bosses.

Now the only gears of the mavi set that never got covered with an upgrade such as the mavi tathlum and the mavi earring getting a +1 and +2 would be nice as well as maybe include it in the reforges would be good too. well I know a few like to see blue mage gears get double attack and enhances dual wield effect on them as well!

In my opinion the mavi earring, mavi tathlum and if there was such a thing mavi neck, mavi back piece and gear's like it for other jobs should have been given the abbey upgrades, just like the rest of the main counter part gears where given a long time ago into +1 first then next +2. So at least then they would have been all on the same storage slip instead of constantly being stuck to 2 different slips to save even more time pulling them back out again. they should have done it quite a few years ago for those gears and way before the reforges had rolled around the corner but now they should be included as part of the reforged armor too. I will post at a later date on the stat's I'd liked to see being placed on them or to be included for the mavi earring, mavi tathlum, and etcetera for the gear's like it after I get some feed back on the community here! ;)

what would you see implemented into the blue mavi gear reforges??

[Babekeke]

A lot

TL;DR. Sorry

Since most people who do adoulin content and HLC on difficult+ have a 'TP' set and an 'acc' set now, it's fairly irrelevant. Thaumas goes in your TP set, which you use for VW, dyna, salvage, farming, RoE, etc. and your ilvl equivalent goes in your Acc set.

It's that simple.

[PlumbGame]

Whatever floats your boat. And I am not expecting anything significant to come out of FFXI. Just not the recycle-fest that is happening now.



Yes, clearly I imagined the whole ilevel system when I overdosed on reality. Clearly horizontal progression hasn't changed....sorry, I stopped reading after this.

lawls, your arrogance and ignorance shines again.

[Zeargi]

Personally, I'd also like to see some of the JSE/EMP accessories also find a way to be upgraded too. The Thief's Knife replacement is awesome, but there are a lot of other things out there that haven't had that chance. I play a SMN for the most part, and it's what I know best. But my Evoker's Ring hasn't ever come off (Unless you count those perverted Mobs that like to strip you... Yeah, I'm talking to you Lamias and Ironclads.) It'd be nice to see it upgraded to the Summoner's Ring(ilvl109), and then maybe the Caller's Ring (ilvl119). The Caller's Pendent is is nice with the Regain and powered up version of that would be pretty sweet. And I'm sure that there are other jobs with accessories that are just as good, and worth keeping.

On a completely side note, I'm surprised that there hasn't been an Extreme Mode for the Avatars. The did have some nice items from the Regular and Hard Fights back in the day.

[Protey]

i wish empyrean armor wasn't getting upgraded. i don't want to go back to putting on empy mnk body when impetus is up and taking it off when it is down. not unless they make the body so awesome that you can always TP in it.

[Demonjustin]

i wish empyrean armor wasn't getting upgraded. i don't want to go back to putting on empy mnk body when impetus is up and taking it off when it is down. not unless they make the body so awesome that you can always TP in it.Doesn't the RDM Empyrean kinda make up for that? D:

[Damane]

i wish empyrean armor wasn't getting upgraded. i don't want to go back to putting on empy mnk body when impetus is up and taking it off when it is down. not unless they make the body so awesome that you can always TP in it.

sorry to break your heart, but if gearswaping isnt a thing for you, you are playing the wrong game :X. XI was allways about gearswaps and sidegrades.

[Shirai]

Personally, I'd also like to see some of the JSE/EMP accessories also find a way to be upgraded too. The Thief's Knife replacement is awesome, but there are a lot of other things out there that haven't had that chance. I play a SMN for the most part, and it's what I know best. But my Evoker's Ring hasn't ever come off (Unless you count those perverted Mobs that like to strip you... Yeah, I'm talking to you Lamias and Ironclads.) It'd be nice to see it upgraded to the Summoner's Ring(ilvl109), and then maybe the Caller's Ring (ilvl119). The Caller's Pendent is is nice with the Regain and powered up version of that would be pretty sweet. And I'm sure that there are other jobs with accessories that are just as good, and worth keeping.

The same could be said about the level 30 ring that's still used in several TP sets, but so far accessoires have also been kept out of the whole iLevel deal and I think that's great.
To be fair, I don't think that one needs an upgrade. So far I have had no problems flooring my perpetuation, and by adding enough refresh gear I have a near permanent upkeep paired with refresh, Elemental Siphon and Convert.

And the pendant gives 25 TP per tick (new count), that by itself is also overpowered as hell from melee perspective.

Right now I am a bit reluctant about upgrading my Summoner Artifact and Relic gear because when it was released the Empyrian armor was fantastic.
Considering the stats on the current 119 pieces are only marginally better than Empyrian right now I am expecting that the 109 and 119 Empyrian pieces will blow some of those pieces out of the water again.


On a completely side note, I'm surprised that there hasn't been an Extreme Mode for the Avatars. The did have some nice items from the Regular and Hard Fights back in the day.

I would be all for that, and a new Bahamut fight with a sweet new shiny staff while I am still working on my Nirvana would be groovy as well.

[Lambtor]

I'd actually like to see a 119 maat fight for empyrean upgrades.

[Dawezy]

I miss the set procs from my empy +2 ;_;

Reforged +1 is good and all, but its missing that little edge that Empy equipment has.
(aside from being stupidly powerful stat wise lol)

[Olor]

I still use my emp +2 set for bard. Really isn't a lot to replace it. Looking forward to the reforge so I am less likely to get blasted to bits while singing songs in range.

[Protey]

sorry to break your heart, but if gearswaping isnt a thing for you, you are playing the wrong game :X. XI was allways about gearswaps and sidegrades.

overgeneralize much? I have no problem gearswapping when WSing, buffing, and the like. It's the time dependent swaps i don't like.... like swapping gear just because it's a certain time of day.

[Lordkyron]

Some of the abbysea pieces look good. Thief and ninja look greath

[Damane]

overgeneralize much? I have no problem gearswapping when WSing, buffing, and the like. It's the time dependent swaps i don't like.... like swapping gear just because it's a certain time of day.

ah yeah, i can agree on you then, this day of time/moonphase/wtfdirection gear is definitly something i dont like to see, and it has recently started to come up a bit. (Tenzen ammo, various other hardmode or delve 2.0 drops)

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

Yeah, i'm starting to wonder myself when this will be implemented for the reforged gears since I have been on pause of upgrading relic or even the artifact gears to my blu or whm while still wearing my Abby Plus 2 body, hands and head along with the rest of the NQ other area sets to the blu gears which was never handed an option to be upgraded in the abby areas of the past. Camate Have you stopped by this thread lately? ;-)

[Stompa]

The theory is that Empyrean armor set-bonuses needed extra time to calculate on a 109-119 setting, and this is why reforged AF & Relic armors popped up really quickly but Empyrean is taking longer.

[Mizuno]

Worse, 20 colorless souls per piece, for 109, then 100 Heavy Metal Plates for 119.

http://forum.exotics4life.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11022&d=1337906794

If this happens, I won't even bother working on empy armor

[Dragomair]

Honestly I'd be happy if they either add role-specific stats to new armor for reforged empyrean or add role-specific stats to any new ilevel adoulin gear.
(Examples; Healer gear with Healing cast time-, cure potency, fast cast, haste, mnd, etc.
pet job gear with damage taken- and pet: haste/acc/atk
Non-sam dd gear with decent stp and stats that make using it possible.
Reforged versions of current idle gear. (Basically anything that currently only has hp/mp/dt-/etc gets normal stats on top of it))

[Janethetaru]

Yes please. But let's not get carried away reforging everything willy-nilly. people are QQing for reforged salvage gear and sky gear and abj gear, forget that. You're not seeing the big picture. the JSE sets are supposed to be integral to their jobs and need to be kept current. Reforging non job-specific gear is irrational. I know people liked those sets, so what say you calm down and be patient and maybe SE will have a return to that content like they've done with the high-tier battlefields and NNI etc. Sky V2? yes, please. I don't support reforging all the old 75 cap gear. I would however, be in favor of 75 cap content. Change ballista 60 to 75. Introduce 75 cap dungeon crawls that earn ilvl 119(+?) rewards. There is a huge untapped nostalgia market with 75 cap content. I saw a thread someone asking for an "old server to play on" talking about 75 cap content only. That isn't a good idea, but some 75 cap dungeon crawls or ballista is.

[Janethetaru]

The theory is that Empyrean armor set-bonuses needed extra time to calculate on a 109-119 setting, and this is why reforged AF & Relic armors popped up really quickly but Empyrean is taking longer.

That's very likely. Besides it taking longer, the set bonuses could potentially break the game and render the AF119 and Relic119 armors obsolete or macro pieces at best in a hurry. I know all you power players have full 119 sets of both for multiple jobs, but some casual players (i'm not talking about myself) still don't have any 119 anything. It's way too soon for 119 empy gear. SE already releases new content faster than casuals can keep up with. I'm looking forward to the completion of seekers and them giving us a year or so to let the casuals catch up.

Also, we "lifers" who started this game when it came out (october 2003 in the US) are getting older, and more and more of us are having kids, which doesn't leave a lot of time for gaming. Kids who game all day don't stay on old games either. Pretty much everyone I know on FFXI is old. All the kids bounce to whatever is new. Can't wait til they all bounce off FF14 so it will fail like EQ2 and we get some of our staff back.

[Ramzi]

Yes please. But let's not get carried away reforging everything willy-nilly. people are QQing for reforged salvage gear and sky gear and abj gear, forget that. You're not seeing the big picture. the JSE sets are supposed to be integral to their jobs and need to be kept current. Reforging non job-specific gear is irrational. I know people liked those sets, so what say you calm down and be patient and maybe SE will have a return to that content like they've done with the high-tier battlefields and NNI etc. Sky V2? yes, please. I don't support reforging all the old 75 cap gear. I would however, be in favor of 75 cap content. Change ballista 60 to 75. Introduce 75 cap dungeon crawls that earn ilvl 119(+?) rewards. There is a huge untapped nostalgia market with 75 cap content. I saw a thread someone asking for an "old server to play on" talking about 75 cap content only. That isn't a good idea, but some 75 cap dungeon crawls or ballista is.

I disagree with this. What about people like me who aren't hardcore, but not totally casual either, but still have limited resources to upgrade? I've been largely holding off upgrading a ton of AF/Relic waiting on the Empy pieces. The stats on them destroy the other sets, and if not for the lack of stat vomit and evasion/magic evasion bonuses, they would be better than relic/AF upgraded already. So yes, once they receive the 109/119 treatment, they will likely be better than anything available right now. Why is it a bad thing though? Only sucks for brand new people or people too dumb to take advantage of the free seals and +2 upgrade items they've been giving us in the login campaigns. Thanks to those, I've completed 10 sets up to +2 and I'm really close on a few others.

[MDenham]

I may have an idea of why it's actually taking so long:

They intend to include it with the first raise in the iLevel cap.

The delay makes more sense if NQ reforged Empy is going to be, say, 115 or 117, with the HQ at 129 instead.

[Lithera]

It's the reason most of my mage jobs dont have any or very little ilv parts due to knowing emp reforge is happening. I wish they would give us a hint as to when so fence sitters can then choose. Another big reason for me is I've been stuck on whm since it hit 70 back when Sky LSes were still a thing. So everything but whm hasn't gotten much attention.

[Raydeus]

overgeneralize much? I have no problem gearswapping when WSing, buffing, and the like. It's the time dependent swaps i don't like.... like swapping gear just because it's a certain time of day.

Not many do those swaps though, only the most OCD.

[Pixela]

I thought they would of gone the route of sky/sea gear upgrades before Abyssea.

[Olor]

I may have an idea of why it's actually taking so long:

They intend to include it with the first raise in the iLevel cap.

The delay makes more sense if NQ reforged Empy is going to be, say, 115 or 117, with the HQ at 129 instead.

Higher ilevel? No thanks. I'd like some more horizontal progression. I am strongly disliking the vertical progression as it just fragments the playerbase. I miss having a lot of ways to get to a reasonable level of power.

[Pixela]

Higher ilevel? No thanks. I'd like some more horizontal progression. I am strongly disliking the vertical progression as it just fragments the playerbase. I miss having a lot of ways to get to a reasonable level of power.

FFXI is a vertical progression MMO now, just gotta deal with that.

[MDenham]

Higher ilevel? No thanks. I'd like some more horizontal progression. I am strongly disliking the vertical progression as it just fragments the playerbase. I miss having a lot of ways to get to a reasonable level of power.They've said higher iLevel is coming in the future. (I believe it was mentioned in conjunction with RME weapons, if that helps you find the post where they mentioned it.)

[Demonjustin]

FFXI is a vertical progression MMO now, just gotta deal with that.I disagree. A year ago it was becoming a vertical progression and we complained to the point they put a swift stop to it. Voice our disdain for future vertical progression and we may very well be able to prevent that from ever happening, or at least lessen the severity to which it occurs.

[Pixela]

Once you add a vertical progression system and your players get used to that system you can't just go back to horizontal progression.

Players need a prod to do content, stronger gear is the prod. You may not like it but like many things (solo play, casual aspects and QoL things) once you give them you can't take them away. All the old aspects of FFXI that worked for so long worked because almost all the players knew no different, that isn't the case anymore.

Old FFXI, a new piece of gear with +1 str and +5slow more than what you already had was incentive enough to do content. If you really think adding a +1 str/+5slow to a piece of gear will be enough of a lure endgamers these days you're in for a shock next update when they add 120 gear.

[Demonjustin]

For years we maintained a cap of 75. It was broken, we had a vertical climb for 24 levels, and it flattened out at 99. It stayed at 99 for a nice two to three years if I remember correctly, and people did content as it came out provided the gear was worth obtaining. This is where I had most of my experience so I'll actually say something about that. Pieces like those found in Nyzul, Salvage, and Voidwatch were highly sought after, mistakes were made with some content such as Legion and Meeble Burrows with undesirable gear that made the content unpopular. Making gear worthwhile isn't exactly hard, in fact I could give you a list of things from 99 that are still missing 119 variants today which they could make to continue having incentive for players to do new content. In either case they broke the 99 cap to 119 and it stopped there thanks to our complaints and has stood there for a year.

To say once you add one you can't just go back isn't quite true, it's what they already did. Them breaking the cap again would be more flip floppy than anything, as they've already changed from vertical back to horizontal right after Delve was released last year and complaints flooded the forums like no other time in my history on here. This means to break the cap would be changing it yet again, flipping back to vertical for a short time and likely going right back to horizontal at another static number such as 128 or 129, leaving it there for another year. That year would allow content like Delve and Salvage to catch up in item levels, them to add new gear, increase the levels of our JSE, and add new events, only to then break the cap once more later on.

The problem with this is it's not necessary. I mean both for the players and for SE in general the best way to do this would be to let 119 last as long as possible because players already showed a demand for horizontal progression rather than vertical and at the same time they've still things to do at 119. An example of this is Empyrean gear. Currently the theory seems to be that Empyrean will be introduced after the level increase, thus allowing players to have Empyrean gear already at the new cap rather than having to upgrade it to 109, 119, then finally the new cap. The thing is it'd actually be better for SE to do it now and have us do that. It creates more content for 119, it allows them more content to later potentially recycle or at least to keep the players busy, and it by itself would be an update many players would participate in the content for without a doubt since Empyrean gear for almost every job would be amazing. The only flaw is if they left it with chapters being the requirement, which would mean most players would already have the pieces finished on day one outside of crafting materials.



The main problem I see with vertical progression in general is this playerbase. People think that increasing the cap every few updates will make people want to do the content more because they need to keep up with the gear, they need to go do that new content for that amazing body with 10 more STR! But here's the thing, what do we have to do to get that gear? It's an important question. I personally for instance am one of the people who never invested much gil into my Skirmish gear, not because of a lack of need, I mean RDM getting +30 MAB on each piece would be amazing, but with the constant overpowered gear released I had no want to spend my time on something like that. Why spend my time doing content for days, weeks, or months, spending millions upon millions of gil or hundreds of hours doing content for items that will in a month or two be taken down a peg by a piece of gear that for all I know will cost me 100,000 Plasm that I can pick up in under a hour in a shout group? In the end it's really a matter of how hard we work for the items in this game. If every item were easy to get and it got outdated, then sure, I'd not care much if they raised the cap every little bit and tried a vertical progression system, but that's not FFXI. FFXI has always been a game that absorbs a ton of time for minimal reward. If that minimal reward can be outdated by a simple update adding an extra 10 levels to a bunch of gear and those levels bringing with them inflated stats that have no equal, then why do the long term content in the first place? I myself think too many things are far too long term in this game, such as Mythics, but there are too many people who oppose changes to those things vehemently so I doubt it will ever change, and if they don't change, the horizontal design shouldn't either, as a vertical design with extremely high amounts of work required to obtain the rewards only serves to dissuade players from participating, not persuade.

[Sasaraixx]

And the pendant gives 25 TP per tick (new count), that by itself is also overpowered as hell from melee perspective.

Avatars don't weapon every 1000 TP and don't accumulate tp as fast as melee players. It's far from overpowered.

I would be all for extreme avatar fights though! It would be nice if there was new content that encouraged fighting the avatars for new equipment or possibly spells, abilities, stats or other job specific bonuses.

[MDenham]

An example of this is Empyrean gear. Currently the theory seems to be that Empyrean will be introduced after the level increase, thus allowing players to have Empyrean gear already at the new cap rather than having to upgrade it to 109, 119, then finally the new cap. The thing is it'd actually be better for SE to do it now and have us do that. It creates more content for 119, it allows them more content to later potentially recycle or at least to keep the players busy, and it by itself would be an update many players would participate in the content for without a doubt since Empyrean gear for almost every job would be amazing.The problem is that, as far as existing Empyrean gear, you could literally just slap iLevel 109 on the +2 set and call it done. (Trying to shoehorn some additional stat boosts in there is going to make it outclass pretty much everything else at 109 anyway, as well as some stuff up into the 113-115 range.)

So if they're adding in NQ/HQ reforged for Empyrean gear, there are two options that make sense:

* NQ is 113, HQ is 119; or
* NQ is 115+, HQ is 120+.

The former... is even narrower in scope than any sidegrade introduced since iLevel (and, really, is narrower than a lot of sidegrades before iLevel), while the latter basically is "and now we have to add in +2 reforged AF/relic to maintain variety" (among other things).

I just wish SE would switch over to a system more like Skirmish's for upgrading all event items - you obtain a KI in the new event, you can turn it in along with a drop from an older event to get an upgraded version - because even though that means any intermediate upgrading gets lost, it keeps gear reasonably up to date.

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

Yeah, My question is will we be getting any more news on whats going on with this thus far, Will we be hearing anything more on this anytime soon!? I wonder if anyones heard any more news on this happening and involvements in processes going on as well!? :rolleyes: {:confused: Thanks!}

[Byrth]

It would be nice if there was! Dancer's new flourish recasts and buffs are nice and useful, but they would be nicer and more useful if we had 119 Empyrean head+bodies to go with them.

[Kincard]

I know they had said a few times in a past they were hesitant to do any more "upgrade past equipment" things anymore, but I think with Empyrean Armor that should be an exception, and RUN/GEO still need those Empyrean sets we were teased for from that concept art.

I also would think it'd be kinda cool if they could make Pulse items outside of maybe one or two relevant again, but I'm sure most people would hate that because of how few people actually own those. I guess I just kinda liked looking at those.

[Spectreman]

Hello!

While I can't give you a specific implementation time at the moment, rest assured that Empyrean armor reforging is on the way!


Prob another event specific for 4-5 jobs in the game only.

[Olor]

Prob another event specific for 4-5 jobs in the game only.

I sure hope not. That might be what is taking so long. I HOPE they realize that ALL JOBS really need empy armor. Would be nice if we could all participate in the event dropping the needed items. A new voidwatch would be nice, would simultaneously create more supply of cinders, dross and plates while also giving everyone the opportunity to participate.

[Glamdring]

Prob another event specific for 4-5 jobs in the game only.

I'm hoping they stay with the current mechanism. I've been stockpiling rather than using my chapters in anticipation of this, especially for the bard set. As Olor said before not really any great JSE off AF or Relic for that job. and even the stat vomit as others call it is nice, because trying to perform at peak without 20 levels worth of that leaves us lacking, it doesn't add a lot but it does add to skills, so for example it might help me land Frazzle off brd/rdm without needing a threnody 1st on boss mobs, handy if you don't have a rdm main in the group and other casters have better things to do, like healing the tank.

[Atomic_Skull]

The problem is that, as far as existing Empyrean gear, you could literally just slap iLevel 109 on the +2 set and call it done.

Not the Raider's, even the Eminent set outclasses it massively.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100919205133/ffxi/images/3/3e/Raider%27s_Bonnet_%2B2.png

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101218160220/ffxi/images/a/a4/Raiders_vest%2B2.png

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110216025916/ffxi/images/a/ac/RaidersArmlets%2B2CorrectTranslation.JPG

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100919205225/ffxi/images/6/60/Raider%27s_Culottes_%2B2.png

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100919205205/ffxi/images/c/c6/Raider%27s_Poulaines_%2B2.png

Then again THF-centric sets have never been good and I doubt that will change with the ilev 119 Raider's what with all the glorious evasion AGI and +steal/mug/larceny/treasure hunter they will most assuredly pile onto it at the expense of stats which are actually useful.



I'm hoping they stay with the current mechanism. I've been stockpiling rather than using my chapters in anticipation of this, especially for the bard set. As Olor said before not really any great JSE off AF or Relic for that job. and even the stat vomit as others call it is nice, because trying to perform at peak without 20 levels worth of that leaves us lacking, it doesn't add a lot but it does add to skills, so for example it might help me land Frazzle off brd/rdm without needing a threnody 1st on boss mobs, handy if you don't have a rdm main in the group and other casters have better things to do, like healing the tank.

The thing that annoys me about ilev is that you are literally better off wearing statless ilev119 gear than non or lower ilev gear with good stats. ilev > anything else basically.

[InpendingDeath]

Hello!

While I can't give you a specific implementation time at the moment, rest assured that Empyrean armor reforging is on the way!

Bump, Almost 7 months since you've stated Empyrean armor reforging is on the way, Happen to have any new/up to date information on this?

[Allestra]

would love to have this happen

Please add soon SE

many thanks ♥

[YosemiteYogorockBlondelle]

would love to have this happen

Please add soon SE

many thanks ♥


Bump, Almost 7 months since you've stated Empyrean armor reforging is on the way, Happen to have any new/up to date information on this?

I as well have started to give up in this ever happening but wanting it to still happen with all of the areas that even the minor ammo/ranged, neck, ears, back, that they cover as its considered a complete empyrean set into reforged versions and maybe rings, weapons can be a part of the set as well. Maybe Adoulin style augmenting perhaps is another method that could considered being included on to them even after they've gone through there reforged versions, if they ever come out, it would be nice to add still now. Id love to know how much closer there coming along with these even if they still cant say an exact time & date, any news would be great as to know where they are at these even if it was no time announced tid-bits of news on these would be a step forward, I think!? Speaking of weapons, I have yet to see SE come up with a reforged versions of the artifact job weapons which you have to obtain first before you can get the rest of your artifact gear's while those AF-weapons just remain on our moogle storage slips because of no longer in use or no longer useful way before 60-99 even on most all jobs. :eek:

{Just a on the Side Note}: I have recently begun to start in stopping my wearing of my blue-mage versions of the empy +2 gears now from not being any closer to hearing about them actually succeeding in being any further with it, even if they were to release small parts of the pieces to the sets, it still would be a step forward even if its at small margins at a time. :o

[Tidis]

They were a higher level but by the same token, base pieces, relic were higher level than AF.

AF: 52-60
Relic: 71-75
AF+1: 74
Relic+1: 75
Empy: 81-89
Relic+2: 90

So in actuality a fully upgraded relic piece before reforging is at a higher level than Empyrean armour.

[Mnejing]

Thank Altana its coming march update!
The blurb didn't mention GEO/RUN equivalents, is this still forthcoming as well?

[Ramzi]

Thank Altana its coming march update!
The blurb didn't mention GEO/RUN equivalents, is this still forthcoming as well?

Do you have actual confirmation, or are you just guessing at this because of the picture on the official site with the tarus wearing AF3?

Aaaaaaand I need to learn how to read lol. Right there in the message was reforged Empy armor.

[Bluestar2kx]

Now the question is....

How will it be made?
Rems chapters still?
Or some other harder method?

I doubt it will be higher then lv 119, but who knows. Maybe the long delay was setting both 109 and 119 versions at release and balancing it because some of the pieces are really awesome for their respective jobs. Didn't the relic and AF come in batches? 109 first, then 119 in a later update?

[Sapphire]

I imagine the delay was less about specific pieces and more what to do about the set bonuses - something the other JSE armor sets didn't need to deal with.

[InpendingDeath]

Do you have actual confirmation, or are you just guessing at this because of the picture on the official site with the tarus wearing AF3?

Aaaaaaand I need to learn how to read lol. Right there in the message was reforged Empy armor.

Yes It's stated it will be coming March update.

[Protey]

it's fairly certain it will be with Rem chapters, the question is what will the additional material for upgrade come from.

[Bluestar2kx]

it's fairly certain it will be with Rem chapters, the question is what will the additional material for upgrade come from.

I'm betting abyssea materials. Perhaps materials from a given zone the base item would be found in.
(NPC vendor, chest, etc..)

I do worry it will be tied to materials found in new content for Seekers though, but that might alienate a portion of the population, unless they want empy reforge to be more exclusive, but I doubt that.

[Malithar]

I do worry it will be tied to materials found in new content for Seekers though, but that might alienate a portion of the population, unless they want empy reforge to be more exclusive, but I doubt that.

For what reason do you think it being tied to SoA content would alienate people?

[Bluestar2kx]

For what reason do you think it being tied to SoA content would alienate people?

Because not everyone has seekers, or does the content, for example, if their gear isn't "up to par".
Making it more available through other content like the AF/relic materials are, is far more accommodating, because everyone can access it.

Just my thoughts anyway.

[Malithar]

Because not everyone has seekers, or does the content, for example, if their gear isn't "up to par".
Making it more available through other content like the AF/relic materials are, is far more accommodating, because everyone can access it.

Just my thoughts anyway.

Except that kinda kills the point you're making. If relic and AF reforged are so accommodating that everyone can access it, then why wouldn't they have it going into this? A good bit of it is still very good, and while you won't see 5/5 AF/Relic being part of any top end set, it's not that bad either. You make it sound as though simply being tied to SoA content would prevent people doing it since they don't have the top end gear, when nothing in this game requires anywhere near the top end gear.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm guessing new pop items that generate super hard annoying versions of abyssea or VW monsters. Or even worse, pop items that have to be purchased with job points.

[Kaeviathan]

Please let there not be any weakness trigger condition (!! !! !!).

[Dawezy]

Just make it the same as the current af/relic reforging system, please Camate. ;_;

[Atomic_Skull]

Just make it the same as the current af/relic reforging system, please Camate. ;_;

I can almost guarantee you that it won't be rems chapters.

Gonna call it now, it'll be new high level content in Abyssea and designing this new system is what has taken so long. Basically it'll be Abyssea II with timed spawns and farming pops for the low tiers and building pop sets for ilev 130+ mega bosses.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think that I am.

[Zeargi]

I can almost guarantee you that it won't be rems chapters.

Gonna call it now, it'll be new high level content in Abyssea and designing this new system is what has taken so long. Basically it'll be Abyssea II with timed spawns and farming pops for the low tiers and building pop sets for ilev 130+ mega bosses.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think that I am.

Plus side, Capacity Points in Abyssea?

[Ramzi]

My prediction is that the first wave of reforged Empyrean AF will be ilevel 119 using rems chapters, and likely VW drops. BUT... in a future patch, which coincides with the ilevel going up, they will increase the gear to i128 (just a guess) and this will involve some new content. Possibly abyssea V2 but could be anything really.

[Atomic_Skull]

My prediction is that the first wave of reforged Empyrean AF will be ilevel 119 using rems chapters, and likely VW drops. BUT... in a future patch, which coincides with the ilevel going up, they will increase the gear to i128 (just a guess) and this will involve some new content. Possibly abyssea V2 but could be anything really.

I doubt it because Empyrean gear was always upgraded via the Magian Moogles where +1 and +2 AF and Relic was upgraded by the Tenshodo NPCs in Port Jeuno. So it makes sense that the ilev 109 and 119 versions would also be handled by the Tenshodo, but it would not make sense for the empyrean gear to be upgraded in this way.

Also, people have a lot of chapters stockpiled up and my feeling is that SE knows this and doesn't want people just just go dump them into Empyrean gear on the first day, they want people to work for it.

[dasva]

I doubt it because Empyrean gear was always upgraded via the Magian Moogles where +1 and +2 AF and Relic was upgraded by the Tenshodo NPCs in Port Jeuno. So it makes sense that the ilev 109 and 119 versions would also be handled by the Tenshodo, but it would not make sense for the empyrean gear to be upgraded in this way.

Also, people have a lot of chapters stockpiled up and my feeling is that SE knows this and doesn't want people just just go dump them into Empyrean gear on the first day, they want people to work for it.

That's just because the magian trials didn't exist back then. When they did decided to make further upgrades for relic it was with magian. And I bet a lot of people had stockpiled chapters before relic upgrades too and we see they did the same thing just made it use materials from new delve and old vw.

My prediction still using the rems but they will be the least of your worries as the materials you need will be some rarish drops from the new battle content combined with something silly from old content like lol legion drops or maybe put something that drops off of higher end NMs in abyssea. Or probably just do UNMs since that seems to be their thing lately. There will even probably be an option to either go straight from +1 (maybe even NQ) that would cost a lot more of something... maybe a HMP lol. Either way we'll see soon enough

[detlef]

2 non-EX parts, 1 r/ex part from new event, and the original Empyrean +2 piece seems like a good bet. I doubt SE will be making us go back into Abyssea unless it's some future hard mode mobs. I think they are not going to require Rem's tales but we'll see.

[dasva]

2 non-EX parts, 1 r/ex part from new event, and the original Empyrean +2 piece seems like a good bet. I doubt SE will be making us go back into Abyssea unless it's some future hard mode mobs. I think they are not going to require Rem's tales but we'll see.

Hard mode shinryu! Now with less atmas and no brews

[Ramzi]

You guys think empy will follow the 109-119 formula? I think it will jump straight to 119. 109 is completely useless now, so I don't see why they would force that on us. Rem's chapters 6-10, and drops from VW/Delve/New content. Nothing too complicated.

When they raise the ilevel cap, THEN it gets complicated, and challenging.

[detlef]

You guys think empy will follow the 109-119 formula? I think it will jump straight to 119. 109 is completely useless now, so I don't see why they would force that on us. Rem's chapters 6-10, and drops from VW/Delve/New content. Nothing too complicated.

When they raise the ilevel cap, THEN it gets complicated, and challenging.I think the quote said something about adding Empyrean armor for RUN and GEO as well as a way to upgrade it which sounds like the way they handled AF and Relic. Of course now I can't figure out where I read that so maybe I just made that up.

[Ramzi]

I think the quote said something about adding Empyrean armor for RUN and GEO as well as a way to upgrade it which sounds like the way they handled AF and Relic. Of course now I can't figure out where I read that so maybe I just made that up.

I guess the reason I think they will skip the 109 stage is because literally no content we do is 109 now, unlike when AF/relic reforge first came out- people were doing content that was doable in 109 gear, but now it's useless, except maybe as a macro swap to enhance an ability.

[Protey]

My prediction still using the rems but they will be the least of your worries as the materials you need will be some rarish drops from the new battle content combined with something silly from old content like lol legion drops

Ormolu ingots. You heard it here first!

[dasva]

Ormolu ingots. You heard it here first!

My goldsmith would be so excited by that. 1. Misery loves company. 2. Maybe it might help the supply

[Artharian]

Well Empyrean-Armor-Reforging (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/46238-dev1257-Empyrean-Armor-Reforging) looks like it's 109 and 119 level and requires stuff from Vagary. Hopefully the materials will be available on the AH (and not ridiculously expensive!)

Art.

[Ramzi]

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

[Glamdring]

time sinks Ramzi, time sinks. they didn't take away the requirement of beating the level 1 fights to do AA/DM2s, I assumed they were going to make us 109 these as well.

[FrankReynolds]

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

I'm just hoping they don't do something stupid like putting "treasure hunter +4" and nothing else useful on the feet again.

[Protey]

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

it's not stupid, it's consistent. you're just lazy.

[dasva]

It also assumes that maybe not everyone has 119 already... shock and horror

[Ramzi]

it's not stupid, it's consistent. you're just lazy.

No, lazy is the implementation of this. Personal insults? Really?

[Ulth]

I gave SE too much credit I guess. Sure, make us take the completely useless step of upgrading the gear to 109 first.... just because. This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys. Stupid beyond belief.

I actually prefer it like this. This way when I get all my jse 119 they will all be +1 and have a white border. When SE raises the cap to 129 they will all be +2 and have a blue border. So on and so forth. I think it's nice they keep all the artifact relic and empy gear the same levels. I suppose they could have just not made a nq empy version but that would be a little odd, and besides everyone might not be able to do the new content to 119 empy at first and may like a nice 109 stepping stone before they can.

[Zeargi]

While I'm happy for the design for GEO as it looks more so like their traditional garbs from previous games, I've very sad that RUN is the one that ended up with that armor design.

[Crevox]

People are angry they need more chapters? It's healthy content, and they're very easy to obtain.

I think I have like 68 Chapter 8's and a little bit lower for the rest of the chapters.

[detlef]

People are angry they need more chapters? It's healthy content, and they're very easy to obtain.Agreed, the fights give us a good use for all the merits we farm.

When're you going to reduce Avatar fight costs SE? I want to do 5 at a time!

[Protey]

No, lazy is the implementation of this. Personal insults? Really?

how is the implementation lazy? you gave no justification whatsoever. And as for the accusation of a personal insult: your complaint of "This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys." is a lazy person's comment.

[Ramzi]

how is the implementation lazy? you gave no justification whatsoever. And as for the accusation of a personal insult: your complaint of "This is 5-10 extra chapters we need to farm for every piece guys." is a lazy person's comment.

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

[Ulth]

A lot of time? skcnm 20 fights take like 4 minutes to clear on difficult. You do it twice and everyone should have the 5 chapters they need for the job.

[detlef]

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.Basically what you're saying is that people who can't get 119 shouldn't be allowed to reforge their gear at all. Instead of allowing for players to obtain a solid 109 version, they should get nothing.

[Zarchery]

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

The definition of lazy is wanting something without putting in any effort to get it. Getting 5 or 10 of Rem's Chapter 1-5 takes such an insignificant amount of time and effort (you can do 6 runs with 6 random guys in Sparks gear in about an hour and be done with one piece).

[dasva]

Yeah you can solo scknms on easy fairly easily and you can just get them in sparks rather quickly. Of all the "timesinks" in the game chapters 1-5 is the least sinky there is

[PlumbGame]

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

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[Protey]

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Leviathan/Protey

I don't even know how to respond to someone who thinks the definition of lazy is not wanting to spend a lot of time playing a videogame. Congrats on your 14 REM's. I'm sure your real life is perfectly healthy as a result of the time it took you. I don't have quite so much free time, so I'd rather not undertake mundane, meaningless tasks to get to the end goal. I'm done discussing it with you. Someone who sits at their desk all day playing an MMO is calling someone lazy. Got it.

you are lazy. and from this latest post, an instant gratification person. Also, just because you have poor time management skills doesn't mean that people who have good time management skills and are able to accomplish things have a poor real life. To give you an idea, here is a sum of my life:

-got a bachelor's degree in physics
-read almost all of the classics, from Shakespeare to Dickens to Jules Verne (Billy Budd by Melville was the worst! had to look up every other word in the dictionary)
-about to retire from my career in the Army
-rappelled out of a blackhawk a couple times
-skydived a dozen times
-scuba-dived off of Maui
-placed in the top five of a dozen triathlons
-been to Jordan, and Iraq a couple times, ate lamb with a bunch of Sheiks, and fought in a battle where I was shot at for 3 hours
-been to South Korea
-went to Japan during the cherry blossom festival, saw mount fuji, tokyo tower, and visited Akihabara (highly recommend, like in japanese anime, they have Maid Cafes there where only women work there, they all are dressed in maid outfits, and act cute)
-went to China, stood on the Great Wall and Tiananmen Square
-went to Egypt, stood on the Great Pyramid, saw the Sphinx, and rode a camel in the desert
-went to UK, walked amongst the stones at Stonehenge
-went to Greece, saw the Parthenon and various islands
-went to Italy, rode a gondola in Venice, saw the leaning tower of Pisa, Michelangelo's David in Florence, the Roman Colosseum, and the Vatican
-went to France, saw the Eiffel Tower, went to the Louvre and saw the Mona Lisa and Venus de Milo
-went to Spain, did the running of the bulls in Pamplona (yes I was gutsy enough, or foolish, to grab one of the bulls by the horn; ended up with a huge bruise on my leg for a month)
-went to Easter Island, Macchu Picchu in Peru, walked above the amazon rainforest on a rope bridge, fished up piranha (cooked them and ate them, pretty tasty) on the amazon river, and picked up an Anaconda while I was there too (yes it bit me)
-last month I went to Antarctica where I did some kayaking, saw a bunch of whales, killer whales, seals, and thousands of penguins. Also was foolish enough to jump into the frozen waters with nothing but my swimtrunks on

I have done all that and yet still have accomplished all I have in this game. So yea, I think I am qualified to say the following: stop complaining. If playing the game is so much of a burden for you, stop playing.

[Raydeus]

you are lazy. and from this latest post, an instant gratification person. Also, just because you have poor time management skills doesn't mean that people who have good time management skills and are able to accomplish things have a poor real life. To give you an idea, here is a sum of my life:

-got a bachelor's degree in physics
-read almost all of the classics, from Shakespeare to Dickens to Jules Verne (Billy Budd by Melville was the worst! had to look up every other word in the dictionary)
-about to retire from my career in the Army
-rappelled out of a blackhawk a couple times
-skydived a dozen times
-scuba-dived off of Maui
-placed in the top five of a dozen triathlons
-been to Jordan, and Iraq a couple times, ate lamb with a bunch of Sheiks, and fought in a battle where I was shot at for 3 hours
-been to South Korea
-went to Japan during the cherry blossom festival, saw mount fuji, tokyo tower, and visited Akihabara (highly recommend, like in japanese anime, they have Maid Cafes there where only women work there, they all are dressed in maid outfits, and act cute)
-went to China, stood on the Great Wall and Tiananmen Square
-went to Egypt, stood on the Great Pyramid, saw the Sphinx, and rode a camel in the desert
-went to UK, walked amongst the stones at Stonehenge
-went to Greece, saw the Parthenon and various islands
-went to Italy, rode a gondola in Venice, saw the leaning tower of Pisa, Michelangelo's David in Florence, the Roman Colosseum, and the Vatican
-went to France, saw the Eiffel Tower, went to the Louvre and saw the Mona Lisa and Venus de Milo
-went to Spain, did the running of the bulls in Pamplona (yes I was gutsy enough, or foolish, to grab one of the bulls by the horn; ended up with a huge bruise on my leg for a month)
-went to Easter Island, Macchu Picchu in Peru, walked above the amazon rainforest on a rope bridge, fished up piranha (cooked them and ate them, pretty tasty) on the amazon river, and picked up an Anaconda while I was there too (yes it bit me)
-last month I went to Antarctica where I did some kayaking, saw a bunch of whales, killer whales, seals, and thousands of penguins. Also was foolish enough to jump into the frozen waters with nothing but my swimtrunks on

I have done all that and yet still have accomplished all I have in this game. So yea, I think I am qualified to say the following: stop complaining. If playing the game is so much of a burden for you, stop playing.

You did all that and you still need to justify yourself to someone on the internet? XD

[Shirai]

Ramzi tried to play the real life card, Protey just countered accordingly. (And it was super effective)

Now I'm waiting to see how Ramzi will counter, I need a good laugh.

[Atomic_Skull]

[dev1257] Empyrean Armor Reforging

Empyrean Armor Reforging
The March update will allow Empyrean Armor to be reforged to item level 109 and then further to item level 119.

Upgrading these items to item level 119 will require items only obtainable through new battle content added to the March version update.

I told you it wasn't going to be rem's chapters.

You could tell that just by looking at the new Yorcia Alluvion gear that was added last month. They're not going to add a bunch of gear comparable to the Yorium/Acro/Taeon/Telchine/Helios that's easier to obtain. If it was just throwing a bunch of easily obtained rem's chapters at it then it would have to be significantly weaker than the Yorcia gear and in that case why even bother?

[Martel]

That statement doesn't exclude the possibility of needing chapters. It just means at least one of the required items will be new and only from Vagary.

[Atomic_Skull]

That statement doesn't exclude the possibility of needing chapters. It just means at least one of the required items will be new and only from Vagary.

It won't be unless the gear is weaker than the new skirmish gear that was just added. In order to be comparable or better SE will have make it as hard or harder to obtain.

[Shirai]

You do know that chapters is still an option and the exclusive items they mention are the extra "craftables" like we need them now for our Artifact and Relic, right?

[Atomic_Skull]

You do know that chapters is still an option and the exclusive items they mention are the extra "craftables" like we need them now for our Artifact and Relic, right?

I always assume the worst because with SE 99% of the time that ends up being the case.

[PlumbGame]

I told you it wasn't going to be rem's chapters.

You could tell that just by looking at the new Yorcia Alluvion gear that was added last month. They're not going to add a bunch of gear comparable to the Yorium/Acro/Taeon/Telchine/Helios that's easier to obtain. If it was just throwing a bunch of easily obtained rem's chapters at it then it would have to be significantly weaker than the Yorcia gear and in that case why even bother?

Since when were rems tales the only item needed to upgrade gear? Also given how much SE tries to make old content relevant, it would breath more life again into SKCs and HTBs hopefully. I think you are sorely mistaken that they wouldn't use rem tales. They may not though, and we don't know for sure, but you seem overly sure of yourself with no accurate basis. The bold part of your quote is stating that there is items that will be only obtainable from that battle content that will be used. Again, you might be right, but there is absolutely no reason they wouldn't or even shouldn't use rem tales.

[Alhanelem]

I told you it wasn't going to be rem's chapters.

You could tell that just by looking at the new Yorcia Alluvion gear that was added last month. They're not going to add a bunch of gear comparable to the Yorium/Acro/Taeon/Telchine/Helios that's easier to obtain. If it was just throwing a bunch of easily obtained rem's chapters at it then it would have to be significantly weaker than the Yorcia gear and in that case why even bother?
You're still goign to need rem chapters. It's teh other materials that will come from the new content. Remember? you need two materials from two specific contents to upgrade af and relic armor?

[Protey]

"As with artifact and relic equipment upgrades, the items needed to upgrade Empyrean Armor differ based on the armor's current item level." makes me think they will still use chapters.

[Ulth]

"As with artifact and relic equipment upgrades, the items needed to upgrade Empyrean Armor differ based on the armor's current item level." makes me think they will still use chapters.

Yep probably will be how af and relic were. If your empy is +2 you need 5 chapters. If it is only +1 you need 10. NQ will probably be 10 chapters and one of the old +2 empy items like stones of ardor.

[FrankReynolds]

you are lazy. and from this latest post, an instant gratification person. Also, just because you have poor time management skills doesn't mean that people who have good time management skills and are able to accomplish things have a poor real life. To give you an idea, here is a sum of my life:

-got a bachelor's degree in physics
-read almost all of the classics, from Shakespeare to Dickens to Jules Verne (Billy Budd by Melville was the worst! had to look up every other word in the dictionary)
-about to retire from my career in the Army
-rappelled out of a blackhawk a couple times
-skydived a dozen times
-scuba-dived off of Maui
-placed in the top five of a dozen triathlons
-been to Jordan, and Iraq a couple times, ate lamb with a bunch of Sheiks, and fought in a battle where I was shot at for 3 hours
-been to South Korea
-went to Japan during the cherry blossom festival, saw mount fuji, tokyo tower, and visited Akihabara (highly recommend, like in japanese anime, they have Maid Cafes there where only women work there, they all are dressed in maid outfits, and act cute)
-went to China, stood on the Great Wall and Tiananmen Square
-went to Egypt, stood on the Great Pyramid, saw the Sphinx, and rode a camel in the desert
-went to UK, walked amongst the stones at Stonehenge
-went to Greece, saw the Parthenon and various islands
-went to Italy, rode a gondola in Venice, saw the leaning tower of Pisa, Michelangelo's David in Florence, the Roman Colosseum, and the Vatican
-went to France, saw the Eiffel Tower, went to the Louvre and saw the Mona Lisa and Venus de Milo
-went to Spain, did the running of the bulls in Pamplona (yes I was gutsy enough, or foolish, to grab one of the bulls by the horn; ended up with a huge bruise on my leg for a month)
-went to Easter Island, Macchu Picchu in Peru, walked above the amazon rainforest on a rope bridge, fished up piranha (cooked them and ate them, pretty tasty) on the amazon river, and picked up an Anaconda while I was there too (yes it bit me)
-last month I went to Antarctica where I did some kayaking, saw a bunch of whales, killer whales, seals, and thousands of penguins. Also was foolish enough to jump into the frozen waters with nothing but my swimtrunks on

I have done all that and yet still have accomplished all I have in this game. So yea, I think I am qualified to say the following: stop complaining. If playing the game is so much of a burden for you, stop playing.

Pssshhh... I did all that just this weekend. Why so lazy?

[Glamdring]

exactly, it'll be chapters + something from new content that fills the slot previously held by the delve drop item in all likelihood-excepting Rune and Geo which will no doubt be from some new quest.

[Atomic_Skull]

exactly, it'll be chapters + something from new content that fills the slot previously held by the delve drop item in all likelihood-excepting Rune and Geo which will no doubt be from some new quest.

If it is then expect it to be significantly inferior to the Yorcia Alluvion gear. SE would not make gear that is equivalent to that without also making it equally hard to get.


Yep probably will be how af and relic were. If your empy is +2 you need 5 chapters. If it is only +1 you need 10. NQ will probably be 10 chapters and one of the old +2 empy items like stones of ardor.

I don't see why considering how easy it is to get a full set of Empyrean +2 just from repeat logon points now.

[Ulth]

If it is then expect it to be significantly inferior to the Yorcia Alluvion gear. SE would not make gear that is equivalent to that without also making it equally hard to get.



I don't see why considering how easy it is to get a full set of Empyrean +2 just from repeat logon points now.

If anything is easy it's yorcia alluvion skirmish. It's just a silly minigame. There is a good chance Vagary will be something more like delve or incursion. Vagary is the new battle content for reforging from 109 to 119. You are going to need chapters and something that drops in Vagary. To reiterate, artifact was an item crafted from mats from merits fights, relic was an item from delve, empy will take something from Vagary. They will all take chapters. It's going to follow the same pattern as before please stop all this hysteria.

[PlumbGame]

If it is then expect it to be significantly inferior to the Yorcia Alluvion gear. SE would not make gear that is equivalent to that without also making it equally hard to get.



I don't see why considering how easy it is to get a full set of Empyrean +2 just from repeat logon points now.

No idea on the logic behind gear being inferior to skirmish if it uses pages, but hey! More power to you!

[Ramzi]

Thankyou for your Service. Your nation owes you a debt of gratitude, and we are all happy that you returned safely.


Back on the lazy thing, personally I don't see it as laziness so much, as "normalisation" of freebies. People have got used to getting free stuff just for log-in, free stuff from goblin, free Pells, free stuff for killing ten mobs or getting ten crystals etc. And it is a subconscious thing, we are not being lazy by default, we have just become normalised to expect free stuff all the time, because the game has bombarded us with these freebies in the last few years.

So on Rem Chapters, maybe if they had existed in 2006 or something, people would have just jumped for joy at the chance of being in a party and kill BCs to obtain them, and more of them, and more them. Because our subconscious mind back then was basically saying "the game is going to give you nothing, even if you work hard you will probably get nothing." So an event where you could get guaranteed armor upgrade items, as opposed to maybe being in line for a piece of armor eventually, maybe, this Rem system would have been adored back then.

But now, we get all these Pells, login points, gobby boxes etc. that on a subconscious level we have got accustomed to getting stuff for free. I don't think its intrinsically laziness, it is normalisation of freebies, and just if you lower the bar lower and lower and lower eventually people will complain about even having to step over it.

LOL maybe you're on to something there. Don't blame me- blame my subconscious.

But in all seriousness, it's not so much that I detest or have a problem with obtaining chapters 1-5. They aren't that hard to get, and with new content needing them, finding groups to go with would not be a problem.

My issue is that the 109 version of the gear is completely useless and irrelevant to today's content. When AF/Relic reforge was first available 109 was a decent item level, due to the special abilities of the JSE armor. 119 was obviously better, and something to strive for, but not everyone could do that.

But the game today is a different beast. No one has any excuse for not having a complete set of 119 gear already, so why would I want to waste my time upgrading something to 109? For consistency? Why have consistency without logic? It's not like people who can't beat Vagary would be able to do so in 109 Empy gear. Not sure if I'm making sense, but the gist of it is that 109 is not needed. It's a step that can be skipped at this point in the game's lifecycle, and it's essentially there for "consistency" rather than serving a point.

On a related note, I had my hopes up for Empy gear breaking the 119 barrier, and I'm kinda bummed that it didn't happen. Obvious cliffhanger leading to a future patch that allows reforge to +2 for AF, Relic, and Empy though. Stay tuned.

[detlef]

My issue is that the 109 version of the gear is completely useless and irrelevant to today's content. When AF/Relic reforge was first available 109 was a decent item level, due to the special abilities of the JSE armor. 119 was obviously better, and something to strive for, but not everyone could do that.Useless and irrelevant for who though? There are players out there who would view collecting Rem's 1-5 and farming the gil to buy the upgrade items as a challenge. And then there are players who would view that step as nothing more than a speed bump. Why not cater to both?

Also, I don't think the 109 version will be completely useless or irrelevant to anybody. A lot of that gear is gonna have some use even at 109. There are so many Empyrean pieces that have a place in your inventory even as a level 81-89 piece of equipment. We don't know how difficult it's going to be to get the 119 versions, and it'll likely be slow going to obtain pieces (especially at first). Rather than get a great 119 piece after a couple weeks worth of runs, why not also get a serviceable piece after a few days that can do the job while you grind?

I get the impression that you think the 119 pieces will be so easy to obtain that the only limiting factor will be the game day wait on Monisette. We may be in for a rude awakening.

[Ramzi]

Useless and irrelevant for who though? There are players out there who would view collecting Rem's 1-5 and farming the gil to buy the upgrade items as a challenge. And then there are players who would view that step as nothing more than a speed bump. Why not cater to both?

Also, I don't think the 109 version will be completely useless or irrelevant to anybody. A lot of that gear is gonna have some use even at 109. There are so many Empyrean pieces that have a place in your inventory even as a level 81-89 piece of equipment. We don't know how difficult it's going to be to get the 119 versions, and it'll likely be slow going to obtain pieces (especially at first). Rather than get a great 119 piece after a couple weeks worth of runs, why not also get a serviceable piece after a few days that can do the job while you grind?

I get the impression that you think the 119 pieces will be so easy to obtain that the only limiting factor will be the game day wait on Monisette. We may be in for a rude awakening.

True for some pieces, not so much for others. I guess Bards will be happy with 109 for now.

I don't think the 119 pieces will be easy to get - quite the contrary. If I was just gearing up a job or two I guess I wouldn't see it as much as an inconvenience, but I'd probably want to upgrade 10 empy sets, so that's a lot of extra farming/grinding to do so. We still don't know what items will be needed to upgrade to 109- maybe that won't be easy either, aside from the chapters.

[detlef]

The Vagary description mentions items specifically used to upgrade Empyrean Armor to 119. Whether this is worded intentionally or not, they may have purposely left out 109. So maybe the 109 upgrade doesn't even require Vagary, who knows? Reforged AF and Relic both followed the pattern of Rem's, Phoenix/Malboro/Beetle/Damascene/Oxblood, and a synthesis material. It seems like there'd be a pretty good chance that Empyrean armor follows that pattern.

I think you're selling a ton of Empyrean armor pieces short too. Aoidos set yes, but I use a ton of Savant, Orison, and Lancer pieces on the main jobs I play even now. There are also pieces that aren't quite best in slot now but would be even with with some added defense and stat vomit.

[Atomic_Skull]

I really REALLY hope that this time around they make the items for the ilev 119 versions Rare/Ex. If the stats are significantly better than the Yorcia Alluvion gear than that should not be something that you can just throw a bunch of gil at.

[Ulth]

I really REALLY hope that this time around they make the items for the ilev 119 versions Rare/Ex. If the stats are significantly better than the Yorcia Alluvion gear than that should not be something that you can just throw a bunch of gil at.

Because people aren't throwing millions of gil at alluvion skirmish stones? Anyway they are not going to be rare/ex because they will also be used for crafting superior 2 equipment. Again like with the relic item and delve. Gabbrath Horn is used for reforging relic heads to 119, but is also used for making Tati Earrings.

[Glamdring]

Because people aren't throwing millions of gil at alluvion skirmish stones? Anyway they are not going to be rare/ex because they will also be used for crafting superior 2 equipment. Again like with the relic item and delve. Gabbrath Horn is used for reforging relic heads to 119, but is also used for making Tati Earrings.

exactly. and don't forget, they have starting with the beginning of SoA offered 2 paths to obtain/upgrade almost all gear, beat the mob OR grind for points or the like so that dedicated acquisition shells can just spam boss mobs but the casual player can just kill 800+ mobs under certain conditions or the like. I don't spam AA or SKCNM fights, my stockpile of chapters is mostly from redeeming RoE points, I've never bought stones, I just live with the augments from the drops I've gotten doing skirmishes with my social LS mostly, and I have bought the delve and VW drops for the JSE I have upgraded. I still have the gear. I'm now leveling my crafting mules, as soon as each hits 99 they'll be jumping directly to 117 sparks gear and I'll do the 1 win so they can get their 119 weap from Osten with all the vouchers they accumulate/ops cleared that give beitsu or whatever, then likely Yorc alluvion for 119 armor since that is so easy to do via wing drops, all very casual friendly.

[dasva]

So need stuff from vagary to upgrade. Vagary access requires trading a certain item from a certain monster to an Odyssean Passage in Leafalia. Odyssean Passage's already exist elsewhere and are used to enter the lobby of monstrosity...

Therefore SE is clearly about to revive monstrosity by making it required to get the item to enter new content for 119 af3 :p

[Protey]

Therefore SE is clearly about to revive monstrosity by making it required to get the item to enter new content for 119 af3 :p

I applaud your effort good sir.

[Ulth]

So need stuff from vagary to upgrade. Vagary access requires trading a certain item from a certain monster to an Odyssean Passage in Leafalia. Odyssean Passage's already exist elsewhere and are used to enter the lobby of monstrosity...

Therefore SE is clearly about to revive monstrosity by making it required to get the item to enter new content for 119 af3 :p

There are 3 entrances, and the event is for af3, 3 x 3 = 9

to equip 119 armor you need to be level 99.

99 / 9 = 11

illuminati confirmed.

[dasva]

There are 3 entrances, and the event is for af3, 3 x 3 = 9

to equip 119 armor you need to be level 99.

99 / 9 = 11

illuminati confirmed.
Actually there are 4 entrances and from the sounds of it 5 after this update.

Oh so close you almost had it

[Ulth]

Actually there are 4 entrances and from the sounds of it 5 after this update.

Oh so close you almost had it

I was talking about the gates to Vagary

[dasva]

I was talking about the gates to Vagary

Damn tricky illuminati

[Atomic_Skull]

Because people aren't throwing millions of gil at alluvion skirmish stones? Anyway they are not going to be rare/ex because they will also be used for crafting superior 2 equipment. Again like with the relic item and delve. Gabbrath Horn is used for reforging relic heads to 119, but is also used for making Tati Earrings.


The final bosses will drop materials crucial for synergizing item level 119 and Superior 2 equipment, as well as items necessary for reforging Empyrean Armor to item level 119.

It sounds like these will be different items.

[FrankReynolds]

True for some pieces, not so much for others. I guess Bards will be happy with 109 for now.

I don't think the 119 pieces will be easy to get - quite the contrary. If I was just gearing up a job or two I guess I wouldn't see it as much as an inconvenience, but I'd probably want to upgrade 10 empy sets, so that's a lot of extra farming/grinding to do so. We still don't know what items will be needed to upgrade to 109- maybe that won't be easy either, aside from the chapters.

On the other hand, there's stuff will likely only be worth upgrading to 109 for a macro piece and not worth bringing to 119 for the extra stat vomit.

[dasva]

On the other hand, there's stuff will likely only be worth upgrading to 109 for a macro piece and not worth bringing to 119 for the extra stat vomit.
I doubt it would be that many pieces. For that to happen it would either have to have some other valuable macro stat added on at 109 that wasn't on the af3+2 but increase the value of it at 119 or it would have to increase one of the already macro stats on the af3+2 but not increase it more at 119. Which I don't think they have done on the af/af2 pieces. My prediction 99% of anything you'd want to bring from +2 to 109 you'll want to bring to 119 though maybe not enough to justify the cost. While some will only be worth 119ing (assuming you have decent 119 sets for that job as is)

[Olor]

It also assumes that maybe not everyone has 119 already... shock and horror

Yeah... none of my jobs are in full 119 yet... and 109 empy actually will be better than what I have in some slots/jobs, given at least it has some nice job specific stats on it. Heck, can't wait to have even 109 for my whm and bard since I still use a lot of empy on both of them. Will be nice to have slightly better than a wet paper bag defense on my bard...