DD Brd with Trust NPC Brds

[VoiceMemo]

Before the elimination of the overwrite timers, the BRD Trusts could not overwrite the longer songs of main brds. Now this is not the case and I'm finding that the brd npc is overwriting my marches and ballads.

SE Please change it so that either we can set the songs that they sing, or that in the case of main being brd, that they wait till the main brd sings songs first before figuring out which songs they should sing.

This problem only exists at the moment for main brds who use trusts, but come the 6/17/14 update will apply to any multi brd party.

In player made parties this issue doesn't usually pop up because we coordinate songs already. There is no way at the moment to coordinate songs with Trust brds.

[Creelo]

I've encountered this problem as well. Before the song update, it was never a problem, but now in reives and with a vast majority of other players using Brd Trusts, it really screws with my own songs. Tenuto can solve the problem for yourself, but your DD trusts are still screwed and having to constantly use Tenuto on yourself is extremely annoying.

A third tier March would help at least when it came to marches since Trust Brds would presumably not have access to it. Another solution could be to make it so weaker songs (no Song+) wouldn't be able to overwrite actual Brd's who sing with song+ (Gjallarhorn, AF3, etc). Otherwise, I don't really see an easy fix for this.

Edit: Or you could just switch jobs off Brd... but screw that! :mad:

[Olor]

I like the overwrite changes (makes it easier to bard) but yeah, this unintended consequence is annoying. That said I wouldn't call a bard trust when I am on Bard cause I've already got 3 songs and I'm much better at Bard then they are.

[Creelo]

I like the overwrite changes (makes it easier to bard) but yeah, this unintended consequence is annoying. That said I wouldn't call a bard trust when I am on Bard cause I've already got 3 songs and I'm much better at Bard then they are.

Much agreed. I don't summon Brd trusts either; it just mostly is an annoyance in reives. Main reason for me came about from once farming some col. reives solo with SV songs up. Somebody rolled up with Joachim out and immediately I went into panic mode, and sure enough, he soon overwrote my SV Victory March... >.<

[Camate]

Greetings,

Moving forward we plan on making adjustments to alter egos so that their behavior improves; however, we do not plan on introducing a feature that will allow you to indicate specific actions or give orders to your alter egos.

If you are playing as a bard, we encourage you to select alter egos with different jobs or to select songs that better match the actions taken by the alter ego you summon.

[Olor]

Greetings,

Moving forward we plan on making adjustments to alter egos so that their behavior improves; however, we do not plan on introducing a feature that will allow you to indicate specific actions or give orders to your alter egos.

If you are playing as a bard, we encourage you to select alter egos with different jobs or to select songs that better match the actions taken by the alter ego you summon.


The problem is that other people's bards can overwrite your songs in wildskeepers etc.

[VoiceMemo]

The easiest fix in my opinion is that the highest potency song should remain. Similar to how before the highest duration song took precedence when the same song was sung.

[Zhronne]

The easiest fix in my opinion is that the highest potency song should remain. Similar to how before the highest duration song took precedence when the same song was sung.
NO, this would make the situation more complicated for buffs.

A good solution would be to change the way /ignoretrust or that other command* works


*just woke up, can't remember the name. It's a command that prevents any buff/healing on you coming from anybody outside your alliance

[Lithera]

/block aid is the command

[VoiceMemo]

How would the max potency take precedence be an issue? The way I envision it is that the check only applies when the same song is sung, not for when trying to overwrite one song with a different song.

Ignore trust isn't a total fix because I had a 2nd brd in my VW party and they overwrote my SV march, minuet x3 with normal songs. So song precedence is needed in other places too.

Before with the duration rule the longest song remained, IE a Carnwenhan brds songs could not be overwritten by other brds less the song duration elapsed low enough. The removal of the minimum overwrite time remaining rule removed the rule that the longest song takes precedence.

This could also be solved by having the longest song take precedence with no rule for minimum time left on overwrite.

[Babekeke]

How would the max potency take precedence be an issue? The way I envision it is that the check only applies when the same song is sung, not for when trying to overwrite one song with a different song.

Mainly it would only be when your SV songs are about to wear off. Especially if you used Clarion Call, too. Since CC extra song never wears if you recast songs before they wear, you need to recast your SV'd songs before they wear too. With your proposal, the only way to do this would be to sing 'dummy' songs first before then singing the 4/5 new songs that you really want.

[VoiceMemo]

AH that is true, I had not considered the case of when SV then overwrite of songs to keep all up.

[VoiceMemo]

Guess SE is reading brd forums, but would have preferred an answer to the status of Massacre Elegy over this trust issue.

[Babekeke]

Once haste 2 is in the game, there's every chance that we might see massacre elegy, but not before.

My guess is, that they will monitor the situation with geo/rdm/cor being used for events and decide if BRD can receive any more buffs without pushing all the other support jobs out of favour again.