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Right, so there are probably a few of these threads alive out there somewhere, but I hardly feel like trying to find them.
I'd like to start off my rant about how SquareEnix decided to allow Ballista Points to be purchasable via RoE NPC for Vouchers. Seriously? Don't put a bandaid over the issue that Ballista got kicked to the curb.
Implement an actual fix. Add something to Ballista for the competitive community for once. I understand Monstrosity is there, but look at how dead the competitive side of that is already.
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Some ideas worth mentioning that may have already been mentioned many times before:
1) Scale the rewards up
2) Add new Records of Eminence options relating to PvP
3) Leave the annoying iLv100~119 to Diorama
(Nobody wants to have a Sudden Death match for Official one)
4) Don't even need to add PvP specific gear or anything, but if you do, great!
5) It's about time we had another Ballista Royale, which Server is the better PvPer?
6) Addition of an NPC in the Diorama Ghelsba Hut area who holds gil admitions for those who want to go head to head in a 1v1 for gil
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Feel free to give me some feedback on my ideas. Also if you guys have things to share, Ballista-related, post videos, stories, or ideas here guys.
Sayomi
05-15-2014, 11:09 AM
Hi, I for one love the fact you brought up ballista, I'm still sour royale was a one time deal, I remember when diorama hit cap and so did brenner when that was released, awesome sauce indeed, so what happened? Ppl got bored of lack of variety I believe. My solution to ballista is unique items only gained through ballista, but not so easily, one would have to move up in a ranking system gradually for some kind of great prize(s) also items able to be purchased (can I haz stars cap?) yes this but also let's have More areas to rumble in or practice in, sky would be great for instance or sanctuary of zitah, let's get some life out of these unused zones and battle it out to the bitter end...of the match, hehe. I'm very passionate about the subject!
Please SE/Devs/Moderators please use the magic B word, say it all day long until we get an update, B-ALLISTA!
No but seriously, does anyone besides me get tired of killing legions of crabs bats leeches lizards, I mean c'mon, have we not outsmarted AI enough? Wouldnt you like to go against something a bit smarter, like, a human? buh? No? -rolls eyes-
I'm hoping this isn't the case, but I do recall SquareEnix saying they won't be touching anything regarding Ballista/Brenner content, which is quite a let down. I stand firm with what I said before, it's time that the competitive community. They keep giving and giving to the people who do nothing, but End-game(mind you I personally have no problem with this or that part of the community). It's just that we're all here because something in the game we enjoy. Now Ballista is gone and dead. What is there left for the competitive types? Please don't tell me Monstrosity.... Because that content flat out died not long after implementation.
As for the new PvP zones, I cannot agree more with you.... I've always wanted to cross swords with other players in the snowy lands of the Valdeaunia region, or struggle against the heat in the desert of Altep while also fending off enemy players.
We're not asking for much from SquareEnix, just some love and affection like they gave the End-game community. Create a section in RoE for PvP, give us a way to enjoy PvP while being able to progress still. Simple solution. You have hardcore player content, you have casual player content. What we lack is PvP content now.
Still shocked that a someone hasn't even given some feedback on if the Dev.Team can squeeze in some Ballista adjustments every now and then.
Sayomi
05-21-2014, 07:34 AM
Ok for all those interested, Ballista has resumed on the Quetz Server, mostly during JP hours, but I'll be making a BallistaLS that will constantly host Diorama/Brenner as well as Official cap/60 cap ballista whenever humanly possible. This is the best I can do, since devs have been so unresponsive to actual PvP and have tried to divert it into monsters killing people, and god knows what else will come rolling out, but for those just interested in beating one another to a pulp, come on over, my name is Zha, i'll be your host, <3
My Goal: to rekindle Ballista, or get Devs to pay attention, I mean honestly doesn't anyone get bored of grinding the same old mobs over and over for gear to grind the same mobs over and over? I mean I rather improve my gear to take out more people in ballista no? I guess thats just personal preferance.
Seriously Square Enix Developers, just one ballista update just One (1) UNO, you have updated mainstream content so many times, whats the worst that could happen? Another monstrosity?
Mefuki
05-21-2014, 12:23 PM
Please don't tell me Monstrosity.... Because that content flat out died not long after implementation.
It's only dying because SE has been ignoring it. There is SO much potential in Monstrosity. I've gone on at length about battle depth, MON V MON fights, MON integration into past and current content and theoretical reward systems many times on this forum. What's clear to me is all the major things that Monstrosity needs to truly explode in popularity are STILL missing 9 months later.
Events and other content only die because SE lets them. I only have to point to SE's constant resuscitation attempts of reives to show that. Even Garrison would still be "alive" if SE gave it relevant or reasonable rewards
YosemiteYogorockBlondelle
05-21-2014, 08:21 PM
It's only dying because SE has been ignoring it. There is SO much potential in Monstrosity. I've gone on at length about battle depth, MON V MON fights, MON integration into past and current content and theoretical reward systems many times on this forum. What's clear to me is all the major things that Monstrosity needs to truly explode in popularity are STILL missing 9 months later.
I've even got the fact from players minds on monstrosity that it's not rewarding, there is nothing rewarding about it and it has been said by quite a few players to me when I have done monstrosity. They basically stated doing the work of I-Level gears is way more rewarding then doing some brenner, ballista, or Monstrosity match. How about making some ballista matches that actually say past 75 - 99 or even include some I-Level gear players vs I-Level Gears player matches inside those events and who knows, you could do player + trust npc's vs. another player and there trust npc's. I wouldn't mind trying out a ballista match in like Outer Ra'Kazner or some abdoulin area's suitable for it. I do love the sky area ideas, specially for PvP Chocobo racing events too.
The other factor that can think of as to why they wouldn't want to touch it is because people would get so mad or peed off at one another by participating and FFXI-SE would get the tail end of it from those who complained about it from I assume being defeated several times in a row.
Lithera
05-21-2014, 09:29 PM
People will complain reguardless if they got pummelled all the time or not. Though part of the reason why some might and did back in the day is the gear that's good vs monsters isn't exactly good against players. That and blue mages would be stupidly over powered. Wouldn't want an event where that was possible again...
Asking for some love with PvP content is like breaking their arm or something since they tend to ignore this section of the crowd. As much as I'd love to move to Quetz. to PvP...simply just can't do it right now. If only could have a single server for PvP fans, etc. to duke it out. :/ I'm even shocked still SquareEnix refuses to give us some sort of response. This thread has been up for a month now. Are we all not entitled to get something out of the game we've supported for so many years? It can't be that much work to give Ballista something rewarding or allow the use of Ballista points to be exchanged for stuff like Plasm or Bayld or whatever....
Simply some actual fix and not a bandaid like you just used by allowing Vouchers to be exchanged for Ballista Points. Come on now, please. ~.~
Well, here I found my thread completely neglected, again! Silly Square Enix! Come on, let's get some Ballista-love!
Camate
06-05-2014, 04:00 AM
Thanks for all the feedback and discussion on Ballista.
At the moment, the battle team has been prioritizing new content and balance adjustments for PvE and has not been able to secure time to work on Ballista.
Currently no plans have been established for Ballista, but that’s not to say that we will not expand or change the content moving forward.
Apologies that we are unable to answer the requests for new Ballista elements, but PvP content-wise, the Monstrosity team is currently working on plans for group PvP using the Monstrosity system, and if you’re interested in new PvP content please be sure to keep an eye out for information on this.
Mefuki
06-05-2014, 05:22 AM
I don't mean to hijack a Ballista thread but does this mean that MON V MON and MON party play is close to completion!? Please say yes...
Alhanelem
06-05-2014, 06:01 AM
Thanks for all the feedback and discussion on Ballista.
At the moment, the battle team has been prioritizing new content and balance adjustments for PvE and has not been able to secure time to work on Ballista.
Currently no plans have been established for Ballista, but that’s not to say that we will not expand or change the content moving forward.
Apologies that we are unable to answer the requests for new Ballista elements, but PvP content-wise, the Monstrosity team is currently working on plans for group PvP using the Monstrosity system, and if you’re interested in new PvP content please be sure to keep an eye out for information on this.
Well, I'd just like to point out that if you fix up ballista to coincide with the huge changes to the game since anything at all was done to it, and offer some slightly more meaningful rewards, people might actually play it.
That being said, belligerency reallly needs some work, along with MON vs MON pvp needing to be an actual thing. But PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZE, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE do SOMETHING to ballista.
How long do its fans have to beg to even get the smallest crumbs thrown to them?
mattkoko
06-05-2014, 10:48 AM
It's only dying because SE has been ignoring it. There is SO much potential in Monstrosity. I've gone on at length about battle depth, MON V MON fights, MON integration into past and current content and theoretical reward systems many times on this forum. What's clear to me is all the major things that Monstrosity needs to truly explode in popularity are STILL missing 9 months later.
Events and other content only die because SE lets them. I only have to point to SE's constant resuscitation attempts of reives to show that. Even Garrison would still be "alive" if SE gave it relevant or reasonable rewards
Just because they have not mentioned anything about it or implemented anything on it in a while does not mean they are ignoring it. I notice a lot of people through out the threads tend to say that SE ignores everything. Camate even stated in this thread that they are working on it. It does take time to make changes and add a completely new system I am sure, and most of the stuff regarding monstrosity has been awesome (in my opinion and many others). With that being said, I would much rather them take their time and do it right rather then rush something out that is half finished, where people will then bitch about it being rushed and not finished.
Mefuki
06-05-2014, 11:13 AM
Then SE needs to keep us in the loop about what's going on because at the time of that post it had been 2 months without a Monstrosity update or any mention about what they were working on. I'm very happy to know it's still being worked on now. I was starting to get concerned that SE was seeing lowing participation numbers in Monstrosity and erroneously concluded, "Maybe we should stop updating it. No one seems to like it or wants to do it.", all the while not really doing much to keep peoples attention. i.e. no events to use Mons on, no good rewards, etc.
Thanks for all the feedback and discussion on Ballista.
At the moment, the battle team has been prioritizing new content and balance adjustments for PvE and has not been able to secure time to work on Ballista.
Currently no plans have been established for Ballista, but that’s not to say that we will not expand or change the content moving forward.
Apologies that we are unable to answer the requests for new Ballista elements, but PvP content-wise, the Monstrosity team is currently working on plans for group PvP using the Monstrosity system, and if you’re interested in new PvP content please be sure to keep an eye out for information on this.
Not that I don't like Monstrosity or anything, but if they're going to such lengths for this content, why not do the same for Ballista? What's the point of the Official Matches that are constantly trying to set up if nobody does it them? It's pretty sad when you enter Jugner Forest and see the Herald's message about Ballista, only to see it cancel anyways. Constant reminder of one of the best parts of FFXI, being ignored.
edsports1
06-05-2014, 11:46 AM
What about Salvage stuff dropping via Ballista? No expert at it at all, but if Arrapago and Salvage is that much of a server overload problem right now, why not spice up Ballista a little that way? BTW, shout to Boss Rockius back in the day for his Ballista mastery on Diabolos.
YosemiteYogorockBlondelle
06-05-2014, 08:28 PM
Not that I don't like Monstrosity or anything, but if they're going to such lengths for this content, why not do the same for Ballista? What's the point of the Official Matches that are constantly trying to set up if nobody does it them? It's pretty sad when you enter Jugner Forest and see the Herald's message about Ballista, only to see it cancel anyways. Constant reminder of one of the best parts of FFXI, being ignored.
I know the feeling and it still the same for the zones in jeuno areas or some city area's as well for Ballista Notifications.
Lithera
06-05-2014, 09:54 PM
Just because they have not mentioned anything about it or implemented anything on it in a while does not mean they are ignoring it. I notice a lot of people through out the threads tend to say that SE ignores everything. Camate even stated in this thread that they are working on it. It does take time to make changes and add a completely new system I am sure, and most of the stuff regarding monstrosity has been awesome (in my opinion and many others). With that being said, I would much rather them take their time and do it right rather then rush something out that is half finished, where people will then bitch about it being rushed and not finished.
When did not saying, or doing anything about ballista for years = a while? Besides the bit that dealt with Roe there hasn't been any ballista news besides oh we're no longer going to have ballista royals anymore. I'm just glad they didn't give us the same answer for this as to why there is no plans for a throwing ws. PvP in this game would give people something to do while waiting for groups to fill or lessen the strain on some other things if they upgraded/changed the items you could get was worth building up points for. Or people could do it for fun as a stress release after an epic faceplam of a failed event.
Heck, could make it to where we could purchase Chapters for Reforged with Ballista points and throw in RoE for PvP and would bring a bit of a crowd. Scale the rewards up a bit more to maybe Voidwatch status for exp, etc. so you get a whole merit or two from 1 match, stuff like that can bring in people who are waiting on Voidwatch shouts or Ark Angel II, etc.
So just for variety, can you remove the point cap for Ballista points and add a vendor that sells chapters/other unique equipment? Spark farming gets really old and boring, fast. Let alone no more seals personally to use for SKCNM spam and AA spam isn't much of a thing when I need to use merits for other things right now. Just saying, it'd be great for more alternatives to obtain some things that really shouldn't be such a task to get.
Maybe add Reforged materials even? (Doubt this will get thumbed up though, but it was just a thought....if anybody else has some idea, feel free to expand on this thread please!)
YosemiteYogorockBlondelle
06-18-2014, 04:57 AM
So just for variety, can you remove the point cap for Ballista points and add a vendor that sells chapters/other unique equipment? Spark farming gets really old and boring, fast. Let alone no more seals personally to use for SKCNM spam and AA spam isn't much of a thing when I need to use merits for other things right now. Just saying, it'd be great for more alternatives to obtain some things that really shouldn't be such a task to get.
Maybe add Reforged materials even? (Doubt this will get thumbed up though, but it was just a thought....if anybody else has some idea, feel free to expand on this thread please!)
Just commenting but i seen on the FFXI loadstone news that they are adding a new Player vs. player system that is like ballista/brenner combined with monstrosity like monsters {i'm assuming they're also be played by the player morphed as that monster dropped in the battle field is why I mentioned monstrosity} and they will drop great rewarding rewards for in game armors and other stuff that goes toward crafting upgrades, great food, or etcetera as fars as I can tell. I was thinking why don't they add something like this to ffxi when I saw it as well?
Lithera
06-19-2014, 10:44 PM
Na, it's just going to be random monsters in front lines. Though if they did do this for XI and included monstrosity as part of it I think it would explode people's brains. I mean could you imagine 72 people fighting each other with capture the flag elements put in and then out of no where you have this dude running around as a black mandy wrecking everyone? It would be funny as heck.
Trisscar
06-24-2014, 06:29 AM
Here's a thought, Ballista versus Monstrosity.
YosemiteYogorockBlondelle
06-26-2014, 05:02 PM
Trisscar that was kind of my thoughts on the changes that can be done to ballista/brenner or additions to it. :D