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Inafking
02-18-2014, 10:06 PM
Since Nirvana cannot be obtained because SE refuses to fix Nyzul isle and assault restrictions, my magian staves are the only thing I have that provides me with enough perpetuation down to be useful. But this means I have to swap out my staff every 40 seconds to get enough of a damage bonus on my pet to be useful which keeps me from being able to mele. I know SE has said their official policy is that they're not going to continue magian trial weapons. That is fine in most cases, but here it has provided something you seem to have missed when introducing the item level system. I know continuing the magian staves would be opening a can of worms so we need something with perpetuation down or something we can augment with perpetuation down. (at least -6)

You could give the generic mage gear a messload of auto refresh. That would fix a lot of problems for a lot of jobs. But I know how much it pains you to give us nice things.

Selindrile
02-18-2014, 11:15 PM
Chatoyant is only -3 Perp, but that's generally plenty when you consider all the perp on the AF/Relic, that said, I'd love if they added more "Refresh+1" options for areas like Head/Feet/Legs/Hands, so that I could stop idling in level 70~90 gear.

Pawlie
02-19-2014, 11:48 AM
Hi, SMN is my main job and I dont have Nirvana. I have Balsam equipped 24/7 and my pets are free because I use other gear to keep them free and gain MP.

Selindrile
02-19-2014, 03:53 PM
Love being called an idiot, but, yeah, I have no idea what the augment list on Uffrat is, I barely play Smn, but I know quite well they've got plenty of -perp gear even though I haven't played it since the Perfect Defense nerf, mostly because I CBA to skill it up.

My main gripe, and I'll repeat myself is that not enough iLevel gear, for all mage jobs has refresh on it, there's a reason you constantly see people in Heka's+Nefer, or the hat from Legion, and Serpentes Hands/Feet, or Relic/Empy peices, etc, so you have to sacrifice an unfortunate amount of defense to keep your refresh.

So in saying that there wasn't enough iLevel gear with Refresh and Chat staff giving Perp-3 and that there was a good amount of Perp- available, what exactly was I wrong or idiotic about?

Selindrile
02-20-2014, 08:47 AM
In what way am I wrong and dumb, please? Are you even reading? lol

I idle in Heka+Nefer on most mages for the ensphere + refresh. And on Smn Caller's+Hagondes Body.... what I keep saying is that it would be nice if there was more refresh on iLevel gear so that I could idle in them for DEFENSIVE PURPOSES, and not have to have my "Change into iLevel PDT/MDT gear" macro as necessary and get hit as hard when I miss it.

Also, you're wrong, WHM and others do have a 2 Refresh head option, it's just the +1 craftable from legion (http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10408/spurrina-coif), which almost nobody has, but it's still not iLevel, so still not very defensive for idling.

Zarchery
02-21-2014, 01:06 AM
Nyzul and Assault are the things holding you back from getting a mythic? Not that silly beastmen kings thing?

Frodnon
02-21-2014, 12:41 PM
Nyzul and Assault are the things holding you back from getting a mythic? Not that silly beastmen kings thing?

Friend has been sitting in mamook for two weeks without a single sighting!

Inafking
02-22-2014, 11:21 PM
LOL so many trolls. Does not stop what I said from being true.

Demonjustin
02-28-2014, 09:21 AM
The Skirmish SMN Staves can get -perp, -5 was possible on the +1, 6 should potentially be possible on the +2.

Imakun
02-28-2014, 09:24 PM
I'm still using ye olde Bahamut's Staff for -Perp. Yes, I'm lazy (and a bit nostalgic about this thing, reminds me of my friends and my old linkshell). but all my Avatar are free/give me 1+ or more MP refresh all the same.
Perpetuation cost is really a non issue these days with all the Refresh and -Perp. cost pieces available, and you really don't need a Magian staff to achieve 0 Perp. cost. Let alone a friggin' Nirvana.
I agree on the fact that we could use more iLvl gear with -Perp on it, but I guess Reforged Empyrean will help with that.

I understand that switching weapons sucks while meleeing, but meh. Welcome to mages?

Pawlie
03-01-2014, 08:19 AM
I have -5 augmented on two different pieces, and I have the rest for my pets attack/magic atk and I do more dmg than most smn i encountered (except the ones with Nirvana, obviously).. I do NOT use any staff for -perp

FaeQueenCory
03-04-2014, 10:11 PM
One of the biggest noob mistakes on SMN is focusing too much on perp...

There's 3 stats a SMN needs to cap:
Perp
BP Ability delay
500 skill

I see random people and have LSmates who dropped millions of gil into getting a -5 perp on Hagondes Coat... And scoff at my magian staves and Caller's Doublet +2...
And yet...
Why is it that MY avatars rarely wiff.... If at all...
Yet theirs can't hit the broad side of a lv115 barn?

Oh yeah....
Because they gimped their avatars by loosing the +10 skill that Caller's has... All for all those "totes relevant and awesome" iLv stats...
That are SOOOO helpful to the SMN....
Cause...
Dat STR just... REALLY makes it breaks a good SMN.
0_0

SMN is a weird job.
iLv stuff... Has, up to now with the RFs, been worthless outside of macros... (Hagondes' pet MAB... Even though anyone can tell you that for slots where you have +%BPdmg gear... Even for magic BPs... +25MAB is nowhere near as good as a hard +5%... Or 10% if we're talking about the body.)

I have a LSmate who can't understand how I never have to rest on SMN... But have "inferior" gear than him.
Because my gear caps my BPtimer, perp AND +500 skill with little to no gear swapping.
While his "way more refesh from Hagondes" isn't keeping his MP up...
It's cause perp isn't the only thing SMNs need to max.

And that 500+ skill really makes or breaks SMN... Especially in AAs and WKRs.