73 Beitetsu

[Inafking]

I have 73 of these things. They do me no good because everyone has so many. Let me get this straight, you're bending over backwards go give jerks who are exclusive about inviting people to their events things they need to upgrade their exclusive weapons but regular players can't even get a break on making the base items? What kind of crap is this?

Relics are unobtainable because of the ridiculous restrictions of dynamis that make it impossible to get enough zone wins/currency to make them.

Mythics are unobtainable because of all of the ridiculous restrictions of assault that make it impossible to climb nyzul isle and get enough materials to make them.

Emps are unobtainable because to get through abyssea content you still need at least 3 people to properly proc/kill something.

I think I'm going to take these 73 Beitetsu and feed them to a moogle. I hope he chokes on them.

[Renaissance2K]

I think I'm going to take these 73 Beitetsu and feed them to a moogle. I hope he chokes on them.
Oh, sure. Blame the Moogle.

[Demonjustin]

Relics are unobtainable because of the ridiculous restrictions of dynamis that make it impossible to get enough zone wins/currency to make them.What? Since when was a Relic unobtainable? Since when did Dynamis have impossible restrictions that make it impossible to get currency? You can farm 300+ currency solo on a few jobs I believe, at 300/day you are looking at roughly 2 months to make a Relic, that may be time taking or annoying but it's far from impossible.


Mythics are unobtainable because of all of the ridiculous restrictions of assault that make it impossible to climb nyzul isle and get enough materials to make them.I agree with this to some extent, the Kings are not mentioned even though they are one of the largest issues, but Assaults are the second largest and then comes Alexandrite which I am surprised weren't mentioned either, in either case, I agree they need changed some.


Emps are unobtainable because to get through abyssea content you still need at least 3 people to properly proc/kill something.Abyssea has nothing to do with the true difficulty when it comes to Empyreans, it's all about the Voidwatch, Heavy Metal, Riftcinder, and Riftdross, if you think Abyssea is a roadblock then you have no idea what sort of hell awaits anyone attempting to create an Empyrean weapon and take it to 119.

[detlef]

What? Since when was a Relic unobtainable? Since when did Dynamis have impossible restrictions that make it impossible to get currency? You can farm 300+ currency solo on a few jobs I believe, at 300/day you are looking at roughly 2 months to make a Relic, that may be time taking or annoying but it's far from impossible.Well he's right that getting Xarcabard access isn't that easy.

[Vivivivi]

Relics are very obtainable. Soloable if you want to buy your marrows even.

Mythics while time consuming, are now soloable (for the most part) as well. While you might get unlucky with Nyzul if you try that, chances are someone else either needs tokens or blue magic that will help. The HNM part may be the most challenging thing about this.

Depending on the emp, this is also soloable, or at the very least duoable. I do agree that either procs need to be adjusted or key items made a guarantee, when I'm pulling 10k+ victory smites on Orthus... on puppetmaster, the content can hardly be called unobtainable.

Remember, R/E/M are supposed to be legendary weapons. I think SE has given us pretty good viable alternatives like wkr, skirmish, delve, and roe weapons with merittable weaponskills, plus the ability to unlock mythic ws and now empyrean.

At least you can theoretically sell beitetsu... I wouldn't recommend feeding them to a moogle ,_.

[dasva]

Well he's right that getting Xarcabard access isn't that easy.

Not easy but a bst can solo to xarc. Seen blu do it too. And people go in there killing enough it's pretty easy to shout up a couple of jobs

[Inafking]

Relics are very obtainable. Soloable if you want to buy your marrows even.

Mythics while time consuming, are now soloable (for the most part) as well. While you might get unlucky with Nyzul if you try that, chances are someone else either needs tokens or blue magic that will help. The HNM part may be the most challenging thing about this.

Depending on the emp, this is also soloable, or at the very least duoable. I do agree that either procs need to be adjusted or key items made a guarantee, when I'm pulling 10k+ victory smites on Orthus... on puppetmaster, the content can hardly be called unobtainable.

Remember, R/E/M are supposed to be legendary weapons. I think SE has given us pretty good viable alternatives like wkr, skirmish, delve, and roe weapons with merittable weaponskills, plus the ability to unlock mythic ws and now empyrean.

At least you can theoretically sell beitetsu... I wouldn't recommend feeding them to a moogle ,_.

Releics are not soloable. Wins in dynamis are impossible to solo because of instant death and there is no way to gather that much currency unless you spend years. There is no way to make money to buy items because all the items worth selling take a party to acquire.

You can't unlock Mythics without climbing nyzul isle. It is impossible to climb because of lamp floors. Daily assault restrictions also hinder this and the alexandrite.

the equipment you're talking about to get that WS damage and the WS itself are impossible to solo.

beitetsu can not be sold because no one wants to buy them. the market has been flooded with help for players who are assholes while people struggling to get by are ignored.

[Inafking]

Not easy but a bst can solo to xarc. Seen blu do it too. And people go in there killing enough it's pretty easy to shout up a couple of jobs

I have been playing FFXI over 9 years. Shouting has not helped me assemble a winning party. Ever. I have not had a party that filled when I shouted for over 3 years. So no, shouting does not work.

[Vivivivi]

Dynamis wins are soloable. On pet jobs or rune fencer- I have in fact soloed Dynamis Lord on rune fencer. It doesn't mean I recommend it- the game is always more fun with other people, I'm just saying if push comes to shove, you can solo a relic (including buying some of your currency). I casually worked towards making an aegis and it took one year, farming currency a few times a week, and by doing other Gil generating content like void watch, salvage, and delve (when airlixirs were profitable).

[Caradog]

Relics - easily soloable and have been since pre-Adoulin, practically all 75 wins are easily soloable, possibly with the exception of Beau (chainspell+death could be tricky...), any pet job will rip the other bosses apart or any job /dnc to stun the death spell, as for farming currency, these are supposed to be the pinnicle of weapons, getting them with a week of effort really wouldn't fit.

Mythics - Only issue I see here is the six-man requirement on einherjar & possibly the spawn time on kings. Assaults/Salvage are all pretty much soloable now.

Empyreans - Not sure what you mean by needing three exactly, only issue I have with these is the plate/cinder requirement, which is only an issue as long as people aren't doing voidwatch, perhaps SE need to do something to make voidwatch more appealing to the playerbase once again. As for the farming abyssea, I've personally got six emps and solo'd them almost in their entirety as Paladin, so "requiring" three people really isn't an issue (this was actually prior to adoulin, so I'd reckon its more of a joke now than ever).

[Vivivivi]

^

With merit points being the way to enter the new BCs, VW has even picked up again, so heavy metal is slowly returning to the market. One thing I noticed the OP say...


I have been playing FFXI over 9 years. Shouting has not helped me assemble a winning party. Ever. I have not had a party that filled when I shouted for over 3 years. So no, shouting does not work.

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[Xantavia]

Releics are not soloable. Wins in dynamis are impossible to solo because of instant death and there is no way to gather that much currency unless you spend years.
I don't know why you think it would take years to gather that much currency. I decided I wanted to make a Mandau and have recently begun to farm currency for it. THF/DNC wearing sparks gear I have been averaging about 150 pieces a run. I need about 140 100-pieces (if I count on getting a loan for the last 30). If I was dedicated, I could have it done in a few months. I have taken a few days off here and there so I don't burn myself out, but I think it is possible to have the level 75 version of it by the middle of summer.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I have in fact soloed Dynamis Lord on rune fencer.

How about Angra Mainyu?

One has to get to Dynamis - Xarcabard before one solos anything in there.

[Demonjustin]

Releics are not soloable. Wins in dynamis are impossible to solo because of instant deathWith the MEVA of today and the ease of access to pet jobs, and the fact that so far as I know not all of them use death, and they crumble super fast so they can hardly get TP or MP to cast at you, the list goes on, they are not that bad, if you are really having such a hard time it seriously tempts me to make a character on Carby just so I can solo your wins and show you its possible.


there is no way to gather that much currency unless you spend years.I spent 6 months making Excalibur, not 6 months of daily farming mind you, I mean 6 months of going only every 2~3 nights, on RDM/NIN rather than BST/DNC or DNC/nothing or THF/DNC all of which were heavily favored by others. Since that time I can now do DC mobs rather than EP mobs without a problem, where I used to do easier mobs since they died faster and RDM could gather them very easily. Now days its easy to farm any dream zone, do DC mobs, and walk out with 300 currency. Your average Relic is a total cost of 18,000 currency, 1 10,000, 80ish 100s, so if you math it out then 18,000/300=60, assuming you buy no currency, use spark gear, average 300 a day which isn't that hard with most jobs /DNC in Dynamis with this gear, and you farm daily, you can get a Relic in 2 months, that is quite a shorter period of time than years.

[Demonjustin]

How about Angra Mainyu?

One has to get to Dynamis - Xarcabard before one solos anything in there.I can't say from personal experience but RUN with Darkness Runes, BST, SMN, PUP, and a number of other jobs should be able to solo him with great ease now days, just need to /DNC and tank the dragons while your pet works its magic.

[dasva]

I have been playing FFXI over 9 years. Shouting has not helped me assemble a winning party. Ever. I have not had a party that filled when I shouted for over 3 years. So no, shouting does not work.

I've made 3 last year shouting for my mules...one of them was shouting while in zone lol. Doesn't really take much to get an easy win. 1 kite/popper and 2 decent DDs. I've triboxed it with 2 bsts and a brd no meleeing. Was kinda hard since I don't have anything to help me control 3 characters at once and you can't run too far or you leave area but it can be done

[Inafking]

Dynamis wins are soloable.

No they are not. Instant death makes them impossible.

Currency collection takes years because there is no way to make gil to buy extra currency.

[Inafking]

I'm done responding to the "nuh uh" trolls. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you're too stupid to reply to my thread so please stop.

[Vivivivi]

No they are not. Instant death makes them impossible.

Currency collection takes years because there is no way to make gil to buy extra currency.

Yes they are lol. And here is how (speaking from successful experience):
For the bosses that cast death (to my knowledge none insta-cast death)– you have at least two options. Using a pet job like BST. Let the pet do all the work, sub dnc and have steps ready before you pop it. If you see it casting death, use violent flourish. If you don't stun it in time, you can likely finish it off and/or resummon a new pet.

Option #2: Rune Fencer with 3 dark runes up– I personally haven't cleared the towns on Rune Fencer solo, only NQ Dynamis Lord, but again, subbing dnc and being ready to stun death is ideal, and the likelyhood you'll straight up resist it is pretty good, especially with gear that increases resistance to death (I believe there are one or two pieces that can be sold on the AH in addition to the gear DL drops himself).

@Ziyyigo-Tipyigo: I haven't tried soloing beaucidine, but I might tonight on pup. Last time I helped a friend clear it we didn't have any trouble with three people (bst, whm, thf).

As far as making gil, here are some viable suggestions:
#1 Salvage. You can easily solo Arrgapogo Remnants II on a variety of jobs. I've personally done it on Puppetmaster, Blue Mage, Ninja (though I think on NIN I wasn't able to defeat the armored chariot quickly enough). I even have a friend who regularly solos it on WHM/NIN (no joke). Even if you don't bother to farm all of the gears and just go straight for the HQ Boss, you'll get between 60-100 alexandrite, and people are buying those like candy. On my server, average going rate is 12K each.

Do salvage casually, say, three times a week, you're looking at making 2.1M-3.6M a week, or 11.4M per month, or 136.8M in one year (again, that's only going 3 times a week).
If you're willing to pay 8k for single dynamis currency, buying the currency for an excalibur will cost you 143M gil.

Other gil generating activities that can be done solo:
Moblin Maze Mongers. Check if your server has mazes available to do the NMs (mine does). You can go in on nearly any job and solo these, and they drop items required for reforging AF gear often times. These can be hundreds of thousands of gil.

Crafting! Again, with the way AF armor is reforged, crafters are back in high demand. Consumable items are always in demand as well. I personally don't have a super high level craft, but my cooking is high enough to make pet food and biscuits that generate a nice chunk of change.

Selling Aht Urhgan currency (yes people still buy this on the AH). Doing some Besieged will get you a lot of points now.


So assuming you do some dynamis farming here and there, and just one of the activities in additon to salvage you can legitimately create a relic in about one year without being a hardcore player.

[Inafking]

First new troll added to ignore list. Anyone else?

[Demonjustin]

If anyone who disagrees with you is instantly labeled a troll then please, don't bother with this, because at that point your post seems like nothing more than ignorantly complaining without any wish for a true resolution besides changing the game itself even when people are actually disproving your points with either facts, experience, math, or multiple/all of the above.

As for your comment about people being too stupid to reply to your thread in the event we don't understand, I believe you are the one who fails to understand, or fails to explain yourself properly, because everything that has been said to you thus far to my knowledge is accurate and yet even when people are answering you, you have done nothing but ignore it, tell us we're wrong, and now you are going so far as to ignore us entirely? I believe if someone should be labeled a troll, perhaps it is not those who are receiving such a judgement from you, and perhaps you should reevaluate how you are acting yourself.

[Inafking]

Troll previously identified. Next?

[Vivivivi]

First new troll added to ignore list. Anyone else?

I was actually offering you legitimate suggestions and strategies if you truly wanted to work towards a relic, but if you see that as trolling I'll just ignore the rest of this thread.

[Zarchery]

No they are not. Instant death makes them impossible.

Currency collection takes years because there is no way to make gil to buy extra currency.

Years? I did it in 4 months. Do you not realize that you have to get all time extensions and stagger the mobs to get good drops? Otherwise you get like 20 currency an hour.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

For the bosses that cast death (to my knowledge none insta-cast death)

@Ziyyigo-Tipyigo: I haven't tried soloing beaucidine

I specifically mentioned that one because it casts Death repeatedly for the duration of its Chainspell.

[Dreamin]

If you have played this long and by now cannot solo dynamis zones, maybe you have some other issues (i.e. friends or lack of knowledge/skills) that perhaps you shouldn't be thinking of making a relic?

Let me help you, /add ignorelist. Thanks.

[Caradog]

Apparently anyone who disagrees is a troll. Interesting the mental acrobatics people will do in order to stop themselves from facing their own inferiority.
As for the inability to form parties, I'm beginning to see why you may be having issues there. Personally wouldn't want to be associated with you either.
Good day to you sir.

[Inafking]

2 more added, anyone else?

[Vivivivi]

I specifically mentioned that one because it casts Death repeatedly for the duration of its Chainspell.

Good point, now I'm curious to try it.

Apparently a Blue Mage can take it down from full health with a self skillchain which I presume doesn't leave much time for it to chainspell death.

[Feary]

Releics are not soloable. Wins in dynamis are impossible to solo because of instant death and there is no way to gather that much currency unless you spend years. There is no way to make money to buy items because all the items worth selling take a party to acquire.

You can't unlock Mythics without climbing nyzul isle. It is impossible to climb because of lamp floors. Daily assault restrictions also hinder this and the alexandrite.

the equipment you're talking about to get that WS damage and the WS itself are impossible to solo.

beitetsu can not be sold because no one wants to buy them. the market has been flooded with help for players who are assholes while people struggling to get by are ignored.

you sir need a new hobby. you obviously dont get this game and what its about.

[Crevox]

Make 300 Beitetsu = 1 Mythic

:) :) :)

[Camiie]

I have 73 of these things. They do me no good because everyone has so many. Let me get this straight, you're bending over backwards go give jerks who are exclusive about inviting people to their events things they need to upgrade their exclusive weapons but regular players can't even get a break on making the base items? What kind of crap is this?

Relics are unobtainable because of the ridiculous restrictions of dynamis that make it impossible to get enough zone wins/currency to make them.

Mythics are unobtainable because of all of the ridiculous restrictions of assault that make it impossible to climb nyzul isle and get enough materials to make them.

Emps are unobtainable because to get through abyssea content you still need at least 3 people to properly proc/kill something.

I think I'm going to take these 73 Beitetsu and feed them to a moogle. I hope he chokes on them.


Rather than asking for RME to be made more obtainable, it would be better for the game as a whole for SE to continue to produce viable alternatives. That way you and I don't have to worry about how difficult they are to make, because we won't NEED to make one.

[Karbuncle]

Ive yet to see a single shout requiring RME these days, if anything I see shouts requiring a certain Item level (117 or 119 gear being most common).

I haven't even partied with an I.lv119 RME yet, and win events just fine. I think people are over quantifying the need for a RME at this point, which in itself could be an issue since shouters could come to think this is necessary. I think the only job that I believe is frequently questioned on having a relic or not is something like BRD or RNG, but even those I'm finding are more oft than not invited without... Just yesterday I did two events on BRD, I think it was Ark Angel HM (D), with 2 songs. (Well, 3 toward the end wit our new 2hr).

Still, the lack of these events in my anecdotal evidence is not proof of the lack of these requests, and in that I say fight the ignorant. There have been several times people would ask for some absurd quality in shout, and I'd simply say "Look, I got this/this/this, I'm better than most idiots you'll find, we'll win" or something to that effect, and with this tactic I've even been invited as SMN by explaining the strat and showing proof of concept, and yes, we won the event. This won't always work of course, but its worth a shot.

I'm not saying SE shouldn't ease up on RME Requirements for obtaining the 75/80 version, theres another whining thread here somewhere where I commented specifically on that, look it up cause im too lazy to bring it up.

Regardless, Inaf are you trolling mang, How are you straightfaced saying Relics are impossible to obtain, I obtained mine through a strong portion of soloing, I'm proof of concept they are in fact not impossible for someone soloing. If you can't get Xarc access, I suggest shouting for help. CRAZY SHIT RIGHT SHOUTING FOR OTHER HUMAN BEINGS IN AN MMO WTF IS THIS MADNESS, Find 2-3 people and do a run where the focus is winning. Win the zone, then go back to farming. Hell you might even get away with reserving the currency and find people who really just want the win.

Mythics and Empyrean (Voidwatch related) stages can rightly go f**k themselves and their requirements, but relics are an obtainable goal.

[detlef]

Rather than asking for RME to be made more obtainable, it would be better for the game as a whole for SE to continue to produce viable alternatives. That way you and I don't have to worry about how difficult they are to make, because we won't NEED to make one.Exactly, the game is best that way. One person puts in hundreds of hours and has a weapon that's a little better than yours. You put in whatever work you need to do to get a weapon that's not quite as good, but still gets the job done. Everybody's happy.

[Camiie]

Ive yet to see a single shout requiring RME these days, if anything I see shouts requiring a certain Item level (117 or 119 gear being most common).

I meant to type "feel the NEED to make one." And I did say "continue to produce viable alternatives." Now if only the shield and instruments wouldn't be seen as must haves.

[Karbuncle]

What are you particularly referring too? I'm not sure if you thought i was addressing you, but I was not addressing any of your points specifically, so the reply makes no sense to me. I'll be happy to reply if you explain which post this is referring too :).

I know its easy to think I'm being sarcastic but I'm really not, the internet has a way of making things seem worse than they are.

[Crevox]

has a weapon that's a little better than yours.

This is not the case for some classes (Summoner, and from what I hear Puppetmaster as well). The weapons are far superior to anything else.

And why should someone be rewarded for grinding hundreds of hours solo, doing easy content? That's what player power is gauged by now? How many tedious, annoying, boring tasks you're willing to complete?

[detlef]

This is not the case for some classes (Summoner, and from what I hear Puppetmaster as well). The weapons are far superior to anything else.

And why should someone be rewarded for grinding hundreds of hours solo, doing easy content? That's what player power is gauged by now? How many tedious, annoying, boring tasks you're willing to complete?Yes. That is what FFXI is.

[Crevox]

Yes. That is what FFXI is.

And you think that's a good thing?

[detlef]

And you think that's a good thing?I can live with it. This niche content exists for a small, but dedicated group of players. I like that it gives you something big to work for. Mythics are only a tiny fraction of the game's content and aren't necessary to complete any event or defeat any enemy.

I know you as someone wants full access to everything immediately out of the box. What changes would you propose? Would you want it to be so easy that a player could reasonably obtain all 20 Mythic weapons?

[Zarchery]

Rather than asking for RME to be made more obtainable, it would be better for the game as a whole for SE to continue to produce viable alternatives. That way you and I don't have to worry about how difficult they are to make, because we won't NEED to make one.

You mean like Eminent weapons? Or Delve weapons? Or Wildkeeper Reive weapons? There are plenty of RME alternatives, but SE can't do anything about a player who thinks he needs and intrinsically deserves these weapons.

The whole point of things like RME weapons is that it gives more serious players something to do and strive for. The point of thing like sparks gear is that it gives more casual players something to use without committing a huge amount of time to.

[Zarchery]

This is not the case for some classes (Summoner, and from what I hear Puppetmaster as well). The weapons are far superior to anything else.

And why should someone be rewarded for grinding hundreds of hours solo, doing easy content? That's what player power is gauged by now? How many tedious, annoying, boring tasks you're willing to complete?
What do you mean "now"? That's what it's always been. What do you want?

[Crevox]

I can live with it. This niche content exists for a small, but dedicated group of players. I like that it gives you something big to work for. Mythics are only a tiny fraction of the game's content and aren't necessary to complete any event or defeat any enemy.

I know you as someone wants full access to everything immediately out of the box. What changes would you propose? Would you want it to be so easy that a player could reasonably obtain all 20 Mythic weapons?

Looking at getting a Mythic weapon... it's not even worth trying. It's not a goal, it's an unfathomable dream. The problem with MYTHICS is that they take an exponential amount of time compared to the rest of these things, offer zero enjoyment while you do it (at least while doing Chains of Promathia, even though I was doing tons of annoying fetchquests, I got to see a nice story), and pretty much cost tons and tons of gil, unless you want to spend a year working on it.

That's simply just not happening. Even IF I did start, it is extremely unlikely that I would finish or even have the gil to finish it in a reasonable amount of time. Beyond that, I couldn't justify spending the gil on it either, as I would rather spend the gil helping and gearing my friends rather than going full selfish mode on a weapon I'm probably not even going to finish due to the ridiculous requirements. The worst part of it all is the time gated-ness of it; I can't just go hardcore and grind it out (though even if I did, it would still be absolutely ridiculous). Some of the steps I can't even do with friends without dragging them along and getting them absolutely nothing in return (if I take the items for the mythic, they get nothing). So, basically, I'm forced to play by myself, can't play with my friends, every day for months on end, to work on the strongest weapon in the game. Going further than that, none of that is even FUN to do, and yet I have to pay real money monthly to do it.

What's the point of a Mythic if only a couple people are going to bother doing it? You just want to keep it super special for those people only at this point? The weapons are cool, the lore behind them is cool, the weaponskills that come with them are cool, and most of all, some of them are EXTREMELY GOOD for their class. However, people don't go and get them. Why? Because, you're playing a game to work instead of having fun. All for a weapon.

What are my suggestions? Either reduce the requirements to get the Mythic drastically (lower the required item amounts, remove some of the other things like the assault, etc) or add a new way to obtain them. Something you can do with your friends. In an MMORPG. A goal, you can all work towards together. Something REASONABLE, something FUN to do. Something you can work on while you do OTHER THINGS. It can be a long term goal that isn't like this. The requirements are just stupid at this point in 2014.

[detlef]

There are actually a lot of people with Mythics now. Well, not a lot but many more than you would think. People just put in the work and finished, that's all there is to it.

Now, I agree that some of the requirements are terrible. The Beastmen King lairs should not be blocked by keys that need to be farmed, should not be tied in to Besieged, and should have much more favorable spawn conditions. It's the first step in a long quest, it shouldn't be the headache it is. Also, Assault tags should probably not be one per day anymore. Not unlimited, but 2 per day isn't that unreasonable. Einherjar should probably not require a 6-man PT in this day and age. But I'm totally okay with 30k Alex, 150k tokens, and 100k ampoules. I think this provides a suitable balance between Mythics and the other two legendary weapons in terms of effort/reward.

With all that said, as the quest currently stands, it's still doable. Completing one even to 75 is a significant accomplishment. It's definitely more work than play though, and if you're playing the game just for fun it's definitely not worth it. Other people play to accomplish things even if it's not fun the whole time, and for those people, the effort may be worth it.

[Kote]

I used to farm Xarc but the math showed I'd take most of the year to get all the currency for a Relec, start to finish. So I only farmed it for relecs, relec exp trial, and Hope. With that said I also only recently soloed all the nightmare zones on pup last September.. Skirmish gear helped but it wont protect you from really bad breath. Treasure hunter is not needed unless your trying to farm, pops, relecs, accessories, -1, and forgoten parts. Even in Xarcabard you can duo/micro party the stronger demons on the cliff for more currency and upgrades or pet pull them to the ramps.

Between Relec/Mythic/Emp weapons.. Relec is generally the easier and cheaper of the three if you spend the time to farm the currency. Time spent is going to dynamis daily for about 3.5 months. In the end you could have about 50% of the currency left over to finish a second Relec or you could just sell the hundreds off for gil.

Mythic on the other hand, isnt just the 10k alex, theres: Duties Tasks and Deeds quest. Before that quest you need to have climed to floor 100 in nyzule, unlocked the weapon skill, and then make it to captain rank. Only then would you need to redo every assault mission once as captain (including rescue the impereal agent). Not to forget gaining titles by destroying all the chariots once, defeat Odins Chamber, Kill all three beastmen lords in Ahturgan, then buy really expensive items using special currency from Einerjar, Salvage and Assault. Only then you can begin trading 10k alexandrite, and hopefully you were collecting them while farming gear, currency and chariots in salvage. Finally you can take it to the BC and battle a NM in a story line battle to unlock the final lv 75 stage.

So apart from getting to captain rank and redoing every assault missions again. The Devs did recently make it so you can enter and solo Salvage, Nyzule, and Assault. Those mobs are still capped around lv 80 ish. In a way farming up a Mythic might take much longer than a Relec..

As for Emps, the only restriction was access to the nm's. You had to be in a alliance of some sort to farm pop sets then the NM's that droped the items needed. Then there was figuring out a way to split the loot in the end. This would require more friends helping each other than the previous two. Also they were increassing level caps at this time, so mobs were much stronger. That's why the weapons only started getting good once you got to lv 80 and the Emp gear started to really increase damage and the functions of various job abilities. Void Watch/Walk was all intergrated with with magian trials for Abyssea expansions.

In a way the weapons paths were reflective of the current gaming environment. When levels were increased to lv95, that's where many people just threw their hands up in the air with Emp weapons. The majority of emps were left at 90 as the universal average for their function. While the hard core bought, fought, and farmed for all 1500 Hmp despite the low drop rate. Then they did it again for the lv 99 upgrade and then afterglow/aftermath. Those who already had relecs went and upgraded them to 95 and many gil farmed so they could buy the marrow to go to lv 99... Infact one could say that by design its harder/restricted to farm 5 marrow for a lv 99 relec than it was to farm 1500 hmp in that game environment. Today its the reverse, farming ADL is more like farming Emp to lv90 than farming HMP to get Emp's to lv95. Hopefully all while farming hopes, currency, etc to fill in the down time in dynamis.. Meanwhile those who had mythics went and slowly farmed those up to 99..

Now with the iLev reforging: Plu,Rif, Beitsu are at the same drop rate. However more people had relecs at lv 99 than mythic and Emp. More people had lv 99 Mythics than lv 99 Emp. More people had Lv 90 Emp's than people with lv75 Mythics and Relecs. Farming HMP is slow and if you dont get max lights for loot it'll take even longer. That is why Plutons cost more, while the only folks buying Beitsu and Riftborn Boulders were those who already had Mythic and/or Emps at lv 99. Otherwise they're so saturated on the bazars. The M/E upgrades are starting to go for 10k and 20k and still move slowly.

Therefore the only work around on Emp's since Dynamis and Mythic requirements have already been re-adjusted, is to either lower the HMP/Riftdros cost or increas the means to aquire them. Considering the link of VoidWalk/Watch to Abyssea and Walk of Ecoes. One would assume HMP or Riftdross would be added to the higher teir walks. Like FLux 15 or the one with that one dragon. It would be efficent and a quick and repeatable means of farming with out the need to form large perfect parties. While expanding single HMP to Ironclads and Chariots in WoE and Abyssea, with Riffdross on the Cature's in aby and flux 15 in WoE. The drop rate could still be the same despite having more than one path to farming them. Then you can have pouches of hmp found only in VoidWalk/Watch (howabout making it easier remember which is which).

[Inafking]

One new troll added but a surprising amount of interesting conversation.

EDIT:
BTW I now have over 100 of each 3. Thought about selling the Plutions but I think I'm going to hang on to them just to rage about how many I get.

[Selindrile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thbkc7Q1gEY <-- ARCH Dynamis Lord Solo

I've personally soloed many of them myself, I do imagine beaucedine could be tough but is totally easy to do with 2-3 people.

When you start to think everyone on the forum is trolling you, it's time to realize, you're the troll.

[FaeQueenCory]

When you start to think everyone on the forum is trolling you, it's time to realize, you're the troll.
LOL

But for reals, OP, Relics are pisseasy to get ahold of. There's only 2 real obstacles in the way currently: ADL for the 99, and Xarcabard access.
And if you think that PUGs = impossible to win Beaucedine.... um.... nope. Especially not now.
I was all by my lonesome for about a year... and in that year I joined every zone boss shout for the base dynamis areas... got all the wins 1x each.
As for currency... just farm the CoP areas' Nightmare mobs. They're better for currency anyways.
But thanks to iLv gear... these ZBs should be even more a cakewalk than they were at the 99 cap when I did them.

Empys suffer from the last 90>100 push.... those trials are just.... lame.
1500 HMP? Sure it's "doable".... but "ain't NOBODY got time for that."
And this is especially so given how Adoulin killed VW... which is probably WHY they allowed for the Empy WSs to be unlocked.... But maybe not. Just speculating.
But the base>90 version? Nah, even at the 99 cap... was petty easy. I helped a couple LSmates get theirs... and all I really did was just serve as a pop holder.

Mythics however....
It's like I always say:
"You buy a Relic.
You spend time for an Empy.
You sell your soul for a Mythic."
But.... these are supposed to be "the ultimate weapons for your job"... even though a bunch fall short of that... They still are super weapons.
Basically: a LOT of work, for a LOT of payoff. (Especially if you're a SMN.)
Sure, there's some things that's a bit redic when it comes to Mythics... buuuuut... I'm willing to put up with them... seeing as how these are supposed to be "godmode" weapons...
That being said, I wouldn't be opposed if they made the requirements a bit easier... at least in terms of the Beastmen leaders and the numerical values of the required items. (I mean, they've already removed the assault demand... so... they are a lot easier now... if only comparatively.)
And then there's that dark cloud on the horizon with RUN and GEO's "Mythic-equivalent weapon"... if the ease at which the "relic-equivalent" set was gotten is any indication.... the comparison to the effort and time the other jobs have to put in to make their Mythics is... gonna be sickening.

And here's the great news, OP....
You don't need a REM anymore.

Thanks to iLvs.... there's a plethora of iLv119 weapons that function as equivalent to a REM.
There's the soon-to-be-six Delve MegaBoss weapons. (Logic: March update has +1 to the other two relic slots. Each +1 relic slot requires a Delve MegaBoss item which was made to drop 100% now. Ergo: March update will contain at least 2/3 nakuaals in their Delve form.... and they'll be 119, since that's the cap for a while.)
There's the Ark Angel 119 weapons.
And now there's even the capability to make the 105 skimish weapons all the way up to 119!!
And before you say "bluh bluh bluh I need those to do that bluh bluh"... Everyone agrees that the 115s from the WKRs and the 117 RoE weapons are serviceable weapons until you get a 119. And certain jobs have 0 benefit from a 119 weapon. (WHM... um... ok. Just sorta WHM.)

And seeing as how you can unlock the Mythic and Empyrean WSs... AND do that solo.... The only benefits to having a REM these days is: 1) status and 2) +30% WS damage... which with the REMs generally having a slightly lower DPS than the other 119 weapons... it all balances out.

[Monchat]

How about Angra Mainyu?

One has to get to Dynamis - Xarcabard before one solos anything in there.

soloable by SAM before the 99 cap: meikyo shisui skill chaining one shots it. Also, not sure what's the stress about xarcabard access. You will need it for your last stage, but xarcabard is not the best way to get coins, its dreamlands dynamis, which only require CoP diabolos clear.

[Monchat]

Seriously, SE has released plenty of alternatives to RME even in the latest update... Why are people still complaining. Why do some people still think they deserve RME in their delivery box?



Relics are unobtainable because of the ridiculous restrictions of dynamis that make it impossible to get enough zone wins/currency to make them.


There are thousands of relic weapons, according to the last vanadiel census... I'm not sure what "ridiculous requirements" you're talking about. Dynamis wins, lol? They were cokblockers at 75, but I did them NP for mules, you just need 1 DD 1 healer, and several jobs can solo them, including beaucedine.





Mythics are unobtainable because of all of the ridiculous restrictions of assault that make it impossible to climb nyzul isle and get enough materials to make them.


you can do all of that solo now.... well except einherjar. Yeah ok good weapons can take time to get. I know we are in the "Everything now" generation, but in RL rewards still require lots of work. and it's fun too. If you want everything now, go play FFXIV or WOW. Its more suited to players like you.


I made 4 mythics in the last 2 months, on my own (one 4-different characters obviously). The alexandrite part is the quick part actually, 10 dynamis runs iis enough to gather the money.



Emps are unobtainable because to get through abyssea content you still need at least 3 people to properly proc/kill something.

I think I'm going to take these 73 Beitetsu and feed them to a moogle. I hope he chokes on them.

The hell? Ninja can get 14/15 of the red procs..... Empyrean used to be the #1 popular weapon, but voidwatch requirement maade them rare at lv 95+.

[Dreamin]

Let me welcome Monchat to Inafking "troll club". I think we need to start charging to this club admission.

[Vivivivi]

For the record I want to say a Blue Mage with a Buramenk'ah can 2-shot every dynamis zone boss besides shadow lord (not exaggerating).

[Hercule]

If you can't solo a relic nowadays (and at least get 1 or 2 friends to get a dyna win), mean you just don't deserve it, it's as simple as that

And when i see your general attitude in this thread I want to thanks SE for that minimum requirement

[Demonjustin]

One new troll addedJust leave the forums. Everyone is a troll to you here anyways, no one agrees with you, so what in the hell is the point in even being here?

[Dreamin]

serious people, I'm starting to take admission fee to join this elite 'troll club'. for the special introductory period time only, it'll be 1gil per person. Now, pay up!

[FaeQueenCory]

For the record I want to say a Blue Mage with a Buramenk'ah can 2-shot every dynamis zone boss besides shadow lord (not exaggerating).
Well to be fair... that DOES require a Delve win....
On the other hand... SMN's been able to do that for forever now... (One time I got a max Blood Boon proc from the 99 era... 1shot the bastok ZB... I was helping a friend with his wins... and he was speechless at it lol...)
And with the advent of iLv gear... it's even easier to beat the 4 ZBs needed for making relics. (though that ahriman in Beaucedine is still "difficult")
So it's not just BLU that can solo ZBs... most jobs can now.


If you can't solo a relic nowadays (and at least get 1 or 2 friends to get a dyna win), mean you just don't deserve it, it's as simple as that

And when i see your general attitude in this thread I want to thanks SE for that minimum requirement
While I find your statement.... a bit rude...
I can't help but agree with the principle: if you don't want to put in the work for something, you should be content without the reward.

I don't have any relics, but it's because I don't want any atm... when I get off my butt being lazy/busy with other content, I'll probably go and make an Aegis, Apocalypse, and a Claustrum. (Because I want to be one of the 40ish people who have one! ... Claustrum is soooooo baaaaaaaaad... 99.99% vanity weapon...)

And the best part of Matsui's current design setup... which Vivivivi indirectly pointed out:
You too lazy to make a REM?
You too busy?
You just don't care for the look/feel of those weapons?
Well good news!
You don't need one anymore!
REMs: iLv119
Delve: iLv119
Skirmish: iLv119

This is the era of the DREMS: more "the best weapons" for more people.
(there's also the AA and Bowie and bro's 119 weapons too! .... but I haven't made that acronym yet... DREMSA? DAREMS? What will the Zilartian Brothers' junk be? Z? J for Jeuno? bluh! There's so many options now!)

[Karbuncle]

(II know it seems like it, but I'm not really talking directly to you Fae, but more to the general public, just saying it before hand. :D)

I don't find Hercule's statement rude, more blunt. Its perfectly accurate as you pointed out. Its like that in the real world as much as it is in the gaming world. Worlds need rules, using "Its just a game" doesn't displace the fact that game or not, it needs rules, otherwise we get chaos, mostly boring unrewarding chaos. Except in the game world its much more fair than real life most times. I won't cite any examples cause you know in you brain its true, rather you chose to acknowledge or accept it is another point entirely. The reason these large challenges exist is because of the rules of that world, challenge and reward, effort to accomplishment. REM Systems are one of the few things that have a steady ratio of effort to reward, mostly Relics anyway.

Now, Empyreans and Mythics? They need adjusting bad. Empyreans were given a break now that SE is trying to shove us into Voidwatch with their stupid Synth mat grab for Relic, but 1,500 Plates is still a ludicrous goal when most server populations are under between 500~1.5k and voidwatch, even with 119 relics, makes up a small portion of the player-bases time.

I'd normally have gone on a rant about the generation of "Participation medals" being lead to believe everything in the world is achievable for them and if its not then its the thing thats wrong no them or the effort they're putting into it, or lack there-of, but I'm sure you've all thought the same thing when reading many MMO official forums.

Regardless, wanting something made easier in itself is okay if the task is truly unreasonable, but the sheer amount of relic weapons in existent show that the task is accomplishable, and even if you're like me and hate dynamis, can still be done... it'll just take half a year of on and off playing :D which isn't a long time if you consider the games 12+ year old age.

[FaeQueenCory]

Yes, the HMP and Dross is ridiculous... even with the "revival" SE wants for VW...
And the Beastmen Leaders spawn times are.... well... they're just plain stupid. "We don't want you to stop work/school/friends/family"... Except that's a bold lie, SE... you TOTES want that with the dumb spawn times for the Aht Urghan leaders...

But these are problems that are actual problems...

Relics on the other hand....
You can buy a relic.
100% no work other than whatever you did to get gil.
Just buy all the currency, all the random items, all the whatever...
And you're gold up until you need to actually go kill a NM or whatever.

But even that is made HELLA easy now with all the iLv shenanigans.

The only barrier is getting zone wins.... and.... that takes nothing nowadays.
If you can't solo it, shout for a bit, and I'm sure you'll get SOMEONE who either needs it too or will help you with it.

And if the 95 and 99 trials for empys weren't so.... redic...
They too would have 0 problems.

Heck, even if the Beastmen Leaders has a 100% 1hr respawn time... the sheer amount of work that Mythics entail would still make them "high effort, high reward"... while being just a touch easier on people...

The REMs are easier than ever to not only make the base 75, but also bring it up to 99 and 119.
(And if I were in charge, I'd drop the HMP and dross requirements down to something like 150 and 30 or something like that... something reasonable. Relics need only 5 marrows... why do empys need SO MANY things when Mythics don't even need that much! And I'd have the leaders 100% pop EVERY 24hr EXACTLY after their death. Why not 1hr? Because with 24hrs there's at least a bit of "epicness" to the encounter... especially if you're just there randomly for something else.)

[Kari]

Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, apparently.

You're complaining about how hard it is to solo 75/99 content with access to easily obtained 117 and 119 gear.
You can solo relic easily, you've been given many options that you've ignored without a valid reason for why they wouldn't work.
Mythic can be mostly solo'd. Yeah, you need a few people now and then. The biggest one is Einherjar. Ein is not difficult with ilvl gear. I've never joined a T3 Ein shout that didn't wipe the floor with all of the mobs in mere minutes.
Empy can be solo'd as well. I've done many. I've sold many.

You also do not need any of these. Most people do not have 119 RME. Pre-item level, a ton of people required Empy to join events because they were easy as hell to get and increased your power a ton. Not many get past the HMP stage, so they aren't flooded anymore because ilvl weapons will beat them.

[Inafking]

New Trolls added. Keep 'em coming.

[Demonjustin]

New Trolls added. Keep 'em coming.Seriously just get the fuck outta here.

[Inafking]

Aww, only 1 old troll, I am disappoint.

[Selindrile]

Aww, only 1 old troll, I am disappoint.

Inafking is right about there being only one troll, only time will tell how long it takes for him to realize that it's him.

[Demonjustin]

Inafking is right about there being only one troll, only time will tell how long it takes for him to realize that it's him.What's funny is his post about there being only 1 troll was in itself a trolling post, not just his actions overall, but that very post itself just specifically sticks out.

[Kaiichi]

The way I see it, its that there wasn't any real balance considered with the stone to weapon ratio. the stones are just too common.

[dragmagi]

Do you want some cheese with your whine?