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darkShirou
03-08-2011, 07:03 PM
Drop rate on that egg, OMG! I can't believe it's still camped as much as it is, and it's so unfair having to put up with entire linkshells that come out just to overkill it. I wish more people would be helpful and do the KS99 :(

Sometimes having a linkshell is so useless... Diabolos needs a group to band together and spam that KS99!!

Draylo
03-08-2011, 07:28 PM
Requires about 4~6 people to do the actual fight. Two DD for skillchain, one healer, two blms should do the trick at 90. Initiative! Or save up 2m and buy it from the LS that keep killing.

darkShirou
03-08-2011, 07:36 PM
They don't want to sell it, since everyone and their mothers are leveling monk just for abyssea they have no qualms with just farming up black belts for everyone, even those that don't even play monk. Diabolos is filled with them, and it's sad. And not having a linkshell that's worth a damn to go and do it is somewhat annoying.

Draylo
03-08-2011, 08:31 PM
That really blows but your only other alternative is to join a linkshell or start shout groups. Do you not have any friends that can help you out? Try to shout then, not hard to do your orb your drop when its only 5 people. Will take maybe 2 hours max to complete.

Kyoshin
03-08-2011, 08:40 PM
Back when I did HNM actively still I was starting to get asked, "Hey Kyo, wanna go level MNK? No one wants these BB items."

I'm sure there are Linkshells out there like that. Just have to find them!

Usukane
03-08-2011, 08:50 PM
It seems as though with the rise in the Monk job, it would be appropriate to present the idea to the development staff in even more ways to acquire the necessary items for the black belt quest.

Perhaps they could take existing Notorious Monsters that aren't camped anymore and add a blackbelt item to their agenda.

For example, Vrtra. No one even thinks about this wyrm anymore, but I bet people would if a Wyrm beard was among the drop pool. =)

Cream_Soda
03-08-2011, 08:59 PM
It seems as though with the rise in the Monk job, it would be appropriate to present the idea to the development staff in even more ways to acquire the necessary items for the black belt quest.

Perhaps they could take existing Notorious Monsters that aren't camped anymore and add a blackbelt item to their agenda.

For example, Vrtra. No one even thinks about this wyrm anymore, but I bet people would if a Wyrm beard was among the drop pool. =)
That'd be more of a taunt than anything else, lol. Even at today's standards, I don't see the majority of the player base being able to defeat Vrtra.

That being said, I think this is a wonderful idea, as it would provide me many lulz.

Rowland
03-09-2011, 12:19 AM
For example, Vrtra. No one even thinks about this wyrm anymore, but I bet people would if a Wyrm beard was among the drop pool. =)
I agree with this. Or even, what's the difference between an Adamantoise Egg and a Chukwa's Egg? How is the NPC really supposed to know the difference? :P

There could be a lot of ways to make black belt more accessible to the ever growing monk population, yet still a challenge to obtain. Or at least reduce the timer on these NMs so they are spawning more than once an Earth day.

SP1CE
03-09-2011, 12:30 AM
the point of bb is not making accessible to every1, if u rly want one u need to camp/shout/beg/save for it.

Dameshi
03-09-2011, 12:32 AM
Even the KS99 doesn't like to drop the egg. We need to force it to mate...

Dinh
03-09-2011, 04:22 AM
It is more of a status thing, but if you are a career MNK then it is almost a necessity. Don't confuse this with a casual game, if you do not have the time to figure out a way to get it, then you pretty much aren't.

That being said, has anyone noticed that the Key Item "Monarch Beard" is actually a Wyrm Beard?

Kyte
03-09-2011, 04:28 AM
I do think they should change the drop rate in the KSNM, though. It should be no worse than 30% (ideally 100%).

Barber
03-09-2011, 03:22 PM
The bottom line is it is quite difficult to get the items now for the wrong reasons. The fights are easy. Assembling people (even 3-5) for the fights is not. The reason is that the egg/beard/tongue are the ONLY items worth anything that drop off kings or the KS version of kings. You aren't going to be able to buy them since EVERY camper is there for those items now. There is zero incentive for non monks to help. And with a 15% drop rate if everyone is forced to use their own seals since EVERYONE doing the ks fight will be lotting bb items (because the other items are worthless) you are looking at 2100ish kindred seals to complete a black belt.

The best alternative is just to make a better belt. Haste 10%, Str 7, SB 5, Store TP 5 (or something like that). 12% haste is overkill with the current ideal gear so a 10% haste belt with better peripheral stats would fit the bill. Put it in WOE or somewhere else that is challenging. But be sure you give other jobs incentive to do the BC or it will be difficult for the wrong reasons instead of the right reasons.

botaut
03-10-2011, 12:19 AM
Turtle is easy and soloable. get a th6 and have him solo it and pray you get drop. LOL i have done it a bunch. If they add another belt like that. An upgrade to BB to a +1 would be a nice addition for those mnks who already have.

Barber
03-10-2011, 02:42 AM
From the JP forums, I reckon we will get this at some point today:

Thanks for posting!

Black Belt for the mitigation plan does not get. This is due to release due to the relative level cap, because it is a relief to some extent at present.

It seems that it is considering equipment higher than the black belt, when it appeared, could have some kind of adjustment is made.

Sounds like they are keeping things as is. So I'll be one of those gimps who has Vere and rocks the brown belt. Oh well, its only 1-2% haste depending on other gear. I just not about to camp against 4 other groups to have a 25% chance at claiming then a 10% chance at getting 1/3 of a black belt. That's a 2.5% chance per night of being 1/3rd of the way done. So on average about 100 days of camping to get it done, most of those coming when people are at work or asleep. Not happening. Not when people can do 1-2 more emps in the same amount of time.

Mojo
03-10-2011, 03:30 AM
Asking for the best (non weapon) melee item that exists in the game to be handed out without much effort is a little bit too much. KS99 fights are not difficult by any means. A decent MNK and RDM can handily duo the KS99 Behemoth. The Fafnir one is a bit difficult, perhaps, but I did it with only 6 people at 75 cap so it's really not that bad. The turtle one may require some Black Mage friends, but is otherwise easy as long as you don't screw it up. If so many people are interested in these items then you shouldn't have any problems getting shout groups to go.

Barber
03-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Of course they are not difficult. But on average you will spend 2100 Kindred Seals to complete a black belt. With everyone leveling in abyssea now Kindred Seals practically don't exist. Go ahead and farm up 2100 seals and say the path the BB is 'easy'. The only way to do it is to leech off someone else's seals or to camp. And like I said earlier, 100 days of camping (not counting hq claims) just isn't worth it when you can get 1-2 emps during that same span.

Cream_Soda
03-10-2011, 11:41 AM
You don't even need KS.

/shout for KSNM. invite people who aren't after black belt items.

You don't need your own seals to organize a group.

darkShirou
03-10-2011, 01:34 PM
This assuming these random people you shouted for have an interest in doing the same KSNM you wish to do, and have an interest in something other than BB items, which if that's even the case they won't be doing the BB KSNM's anyway since there's not much else value in them.

Cream_Soda
03-10-2011, 01:47 PM
Untrue. I see people shouting for wyrm and turtle quite frequently in the past couple of weeks. I went to the turtle and got myself a pair of striders.

And the pt filled up rather quickly as well. The guy shouted for maybe 20 mins?

Before inviting someone just ask whether or not they need BB item. If they do, then get someone else.

Though, you do increase your chances w/ your own seals since you get to do more runs at once, but having your own seals are in no way shape or form required.

darkShirou
03-10-2011, 02:12 PM
Just because it works for your server doesn't mean it can be generalized for every server, because frankly there are 0 shouts and 0 interest on Diabolos for these, which is a pain to deal with. Maybe things will change once the server merge happens, but now that's been pushed back further...

Cream_Soda
03-10-2011, 02:14 PM
0 shouts? Should be one minimum before you complain. Your shout. Go shout and when you can't make a group, then complain. 0 shouts means you're not trying.

Charismatic
03-10-2011, 02:26 PM
Tiger Woods 2011, droppin' that wisdom.
Basically everything the Cream is putting out there is knowledge you need to be soaking up. Go out there and put in the legwork.

darkShirou
03-10-2011, 02:52 PM
0 shouts? Should be one minimum before you complain. Your shout. Go shout and when you can't make a group, then complain. 0 shouts means you're not trying.

I seem to recall also writing that there is "0 interest" as well. Self shouts produce nothing when there is 0 interest, which is why there are hence 0 shouts in general. Don't assume your idea is something so new that it's never been tried, because I'm tired of trying and getting the apathetic response from the general player populace.

facepalm.jpg

Cream_Soda
03-10-2011, 03:00 PM
Well if you put half the effort into the black belt as you do into complaining, you may have one.

Just saiyan

Barber
03-10-2011, 05:54 PM
There is zero reason to do KS other than BB items now. Zero.

Cream_Soda
03-10-2011, 05:55 PM
There is zero reason to do KS other than BB items now. Zero.
Not at all. Some people are still interested in gil.

Zetonegi
03-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Well if you put half the effort into the black belt as you do into complaining, you may have one.

Just saiyan

I have to disagree with you Cream. He needs to spend more time complaining. He just needs to complain to people he knows in game. Honestly, that's how I got my egg(and subsequently BB), I put forth effort in complaining at people who could help me, not complaining on forums where I couldn't get help. Although I suppose that means I agree with the spirit of your statement...

Swords
03-11-2011, 02:31 AM
I don't think adjusting the drop rates would be the best anwser, however I do think coming up with more ways to obtain said BB items would be a drastic improvement. I'm not saying it has to be some sort of drop off a monster or BCNM (Though allowing a Wyrm Beard to drop off other Wyrms would be a reasonable idea.), but SE could have BB items as a random reward for a difficult but soloable-repeatable quest/s. If SE would make it where it could only be done solo, it would prevent people from just getting a random group togeather and plowing through it allowing for balance.

The concept would allow people who are willing to put effort into getting their BB without having to go through the trouble of gathering a group, waiting 3 hours, and competing for weeks/months on end with other shells.

Zumi
03-12-2011, 12:48 PM
I would just get the egg from the KS99 its like 50% drop rate or so and its really easy too.

Protey
03-12-2011, 07:34 PM
I would just get the egg from the KS99 its like 50% drop rate or so and its really easy too.

this is so untrue. I've killed KSNM99 turtle about 25 times and have seen only one egg drop. Yes, it is random, but 50% is waaaaay off.

Yes, ksnm99 turtle is easy. all you need is a mnk tank and say a sam to make darkness, a few blm, a whm, a brd and/or cor, and a rdm for a 2nd curer just in case. With this many people (7-8) it is really easy. It can be done with less than a full party though.

I got tired of soloing adamantoise and spamming ksnm99 since i never got an egg (the one went to someone else) and just bought it off a LS for 2 mil that killed Aspid. Either way... do what you have to do. Farming gil and buying it will probably be the least amount of time spent for all options.

Martinius
03-13-2011, 05:32 AM
this is so untrue. I've killed KSNM99 turtle about 25 times and have seen only one egg drop. Yes, it is random, but 50% is waaaaay off.

that's like a crafter who goes 1/10 on a tier 2 synth and says "well clearly tier 2 is only 10% HQ rate."

you had bad luck, i promise. the last time my ls a round of ksnm99s for our newer mnks, we went 4/5 on eggs, 3/4 on tongues. i know we didn't get a ton of beards, but not anywhere near low enough for me to think we had anything more than a run of lousy luck on wyrm.

Kyte
03-13-2011, 08:47 AM
Even so, it's definitely not a 50% drop lol

Panthera
03-13-2011, 03:00 PM
In addition to updating more ways of getting the items for Black Belt, maybe there should be a follow-up quest?

After all, the Black Belt is a LV 70 accessory, and soon players will be level 99. There should be a new challenge for the new level, using the Black Belt series of quests as a prerequisite.

Captain
03-14-2011, 12:51 AM
In addition to updating more ways of getting the items for Black Belt, maybe there should be a follow-up quest?

After all, the Black Belt is a LV 70 accessory, and soon players will be level 99. There should be a new challenge for the new level, using the Black Belt series of quests as a prerequisite.

GOLD BELT, I just had to.

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 01:10 AM
so you say their is no interest on your server for the KS99 well sounds like you need some friends to help you then. If your friends wont help you then find some new friends, friends help friends, if your so called friends in game wont help you then they sound more like associates. Happy hunting!

Manicora
03-14-2011, 01:49 AM
4 man with x2 blu Rdm and Whm, 2/4 on Egg from Ks99, can solo NQ turtle if u claim Duo HQ with Thf and rdm Provided they have gear/skill to even try.

SheKicksHigh
03-14-2011, 10:09 AM
if you cant be bothered to camp that turtle maybe you should play another job, just sayin
not that bb is needed with al lthe haste options availible in abyssea now

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 10:27 AM
why does everyone only think about the haste from black belt? PDT, subtle blow, hello

Denabond
03-14-2011, 10:31 AM
why does everyone only think about the haste from black belt? PDT, subtle blow, hello
Because haste is sexy?

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 10:43 AM
and so is the PDT, subtle blow, and STR from the black belt. My point is people always saying now "with all the haste gear there is for monk now you can hit haste cap without blackbelt, blah, blah and forgetting about the other stats blackbelt bring to the table.

Blackbelts an awesome gear piece because not only of the haste but the other stats it brings. Alot of jobs have to swap belts for things like haste, ws, PDT, etc. where blackbelt has a nice mixture of alot of useful things

Musahashi
03-14-2011, 10:57 AM
Same on all servers then... my BB hopes are dwindelling. I was seriously considering a swap just to get my BB.

I've seen LS's kill fafnir/nidhogg over and over, and Adamantoise has never been seen within a reasonable GMT timezone...

So far I've spent 500 KS on those KSNM's and not seen a drop, so yeah, getting the BB hurts, especially when someone has it, and your in the same pty, and they don't even know how the job works. Seriously, I've met a 90MNK with a BB and yet his gaurd skill wasn't even over 100... may Enix have mercy on us all.

Denabond
03-14-2011, 11:03 AM
Same on all servers then... my BB hopes are dwindelling. I was seriously considering a swap just to get my BB.

I've seen LS's kill fafnir/nidhogg over and over, and Adamantoise has never been seen within a reasonable GMT timezone...

So far I've spent 500 KS on those KSNM's and not seen a drop, so yeah, getting the BB hurts, especially when someone has it, and your in the same pty, and they don't even know how the job works. Seriously, I've met a 90MNK with a BB and yet his gaurd skill wasn't even over 100... may Enix have mercy on us all.
In his defense, Guard doesn't do much to begin with, so even if its low it doesn't mean hes a bad mnk. Now if the rest of his gear is horrible, then we would have a problem.....

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 11:14 AM
Same on all servers then... my BB hopes are dwindelling. I was seriously considering a swap just to get my BB.

I've seen LS's kill fafnir/nidhogg over and over, and Adamantoise has never been seen within a reasonable GMT timezone...

So far I've spent 500 KS on those KSNM's and not seen a drop, so yeah, getting the BB hurts, especially when someone has it, and your in the same pty, and they don't even know how the job works. Seriously, I've met a 90MNK with a BB and yet his gaurd skill wasn't even over 100... may Enix have mercy on us all.

if you basing a good monk on their guard skill i >< at that. We all know guard skills up very slowly for one, for two its proc rate is so low might as well not even have guard. Guard skill dont make the monk my friend.

Cream_Soda
03-14-2011, 11:18 AM
Lol at comparing guard skill to monk competence.

Musahashi
03-14-2011, 11:18 AM
Surely guard counts for alot, as I got to at least 160 gaurd just getting some semi-decent gear, the rest I did because I wanted to. I'm sure every decent player has got the same in their own skills?

Or am I missing the point that since abyssea, every new monk has gone up 30-90 via abyssea, and then had all their gear obtained via LS's and the other jobs they have...

Looks like monk is going to become the new ninja isn't it...

Cream_Soda
03-14-2011, 11:24 AM
Guard doesn't count for anything.

When I leveled monk, when I hit 75, it was 96? A year or two later, I skilled went out and actively skilled it. When I started that, it was still only 120-130 tops when I started skilling.

So yea, a naturally leveled mnk dinging the natural way to 75 and only 96, lol.

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 11:26 AM
Lol at comparing guard skill to monk competence.

^^

"hey whats your guard skill"
"150"
"oh you a bad mnk then"

Denabond
03-14-2011, 11:28 AM
Having higher guard doesn't mean your a better mnk, it just means you have been tanking more then him. It doesn't directly increase how much damage you do. I will also point out that when i dinged 75 on mnk years ago, i had like 100 Guard skill. I was still a good DD, but i just avoided getting hate as much.

Musahashi
03-14-2011, 12:03 PM
Having higher guard doesn't mean your a better mnk, it just means you have been tanking more then him. It doesn't directly increase how much damage you do. I will also point out that when i dinged 75 on mnk years ago, i had like 100 Guard skill. I was still a good DD, but i just avoided getting hate as much.

Who said guard had anything to do with damage? lol!

I'll clarify what I meant by my post.

All decent semi/decent gear for monk is obtained through NM's, events or crafting. I solo'd pretty much everything getting the semi/decent gear I have now, and in doing so, my guard got to 160 before I decided to actively skill it up.

What Im taking from your posts, Is you either got spoon fed your gear, didn't bother with it, or had full alliances to help you all the time. Monk was never a loved job before abyssea, and I spent far too much time doing things solo or duo-ing because no sane whm would ever want a mnk in the pty.

So yeah, solo or at least duo everything up to the 80's for gear, and you'll find that if your guard skill started out under 100, it won't stay that way.

Cream_Soda
03-14-2011, 12:06 PM
Nah, it still doesn't mean you were spoonfed anything.

Some people may have done their gruntwork on another job or something, who knows. I know I did a lot of the work my 6 non mnk jobs on all mnk and it doesn't mean I'm not good on any of those other 6 jobs.

Edit: Like for my Sam, I'm working on Massamune.

I'm doing all of the work between my war and my mnk. I won't even be on sam again as a job until after Abyssea is over.

Denabond
03-14-2011, 12:13 PM
Or in my cause, I had more then just mnk lvled. I forgot the exact year I started playing FFXI, but it was before WoTG came out. In order to get my mnk gear up to date I lvled thf to help farm the gil I needed. Once WoTG came out, i lvled sch to be more then just a TH whore. Not everyone just lvls one job.

Musahashi
03-14-2011, 12:30 PM
Or in my cause, I had more then just mnk lvled. I forgot the exact year I started playing FFXI, but it was before WoTG came out. In order to get my mnk gear up to date I lvled thf to help farm the gil I needed. Once WoTG came out, i lvled sch to be more then just a TH whore. Not everyone just lvls one job.

Nope your right there, but If I am leveling a job, I tend to get everything I need for it, while doing the actual job. I guess I'm just an old generation gamer.

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 12:31 PM
Nope your right there, but If I am leveling a job, I tend to get everything I need for it, while doing the actual job. I guess I'm just an old generation gamer.

but your original statement was you basing a persons monk performance on having low guard skill which if you ask majority of mnks will tell you it aint all that and definitely dont make the monk

Musahashi
03-14-2011, 12:40 PM
but your original statement was you basing a persons monk performance on having low guard skill which if you ask majority of mnks will tell you it aint all that and definitely dont make the monk

But thats because I rate my ability, on my skills and accomplishments. If I'm out their leveling a new job, and it needs gear, I don't go changing job just to get it, whats the point? I'd be wasting opportunity to get some skill+ exp and a little bit of experience on how to actually play the job. It's what makes the majority of players different to people who play a job to jump on the bandwagon.

If the rest of you don't, thats fine with me, it just means I'm more thorough in the way I play. It more than likely takes me twice as long to get a job to a high level, but thats how I've always played, it's made me the player I am, and probably the reason why I spend 80% of my time helping people out instead of doing what I planned, because people want me to go mash things to pieces.

I might be blowing my own trumpet here, but I don't care. You wanna be a good player on a job, you have to play it, you have to practice with it, and you will eventually succeed where you've failed, and for that reason you'll become a better player.

So in relation to the low guard skill and going out to get gear, well, I got my guard skill from getting out there and playing the job, learning what I needed to be better, and how to improve my playing style. So if your guard skill is anything to go by, it tells you how much you have practiced the job, how much you've learnt, and how good you probably are.

I don't care if I'm right or wrong because you all have wars and drg's that you used, but seriously, no 2 jobs play the same way, so when it's all said and done, practice is practice.

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 12:53 PM
again, if you proud yourself on having capped guard and all that grats. I will agree having capped guard takes time and effort to get, but again your original post was rating a monk a bad monk cause his guard skill was not capped. So thats like saying any job that can parry if their skill aint capped they are a bad nin,sam,thf, <insert jobs with high parry skill>, etc.

That is the point we are trying to make here.

Now if we would have been talking warrior here and you said this guy was a bad war because he didnt have his weapons capped i would see your point, but then again i would ask "well are his weapons high enough to get red procs in abyssea" and if they were then it wouldnt be a big deal to me. Now if you then said his GAxe skill was way under capped then yeah we could have a problem, but then again maybe he's a warrior who likes to dual wield axes, well it's not my choice of weapon on war but he, he is he and i am me.

Henihhi
03-14-2011, 03:57 PM
I really don't get all these "hand me free gears please SE" threads. MNKs have been getting black belts for years, it is a reward for putting time and effort into achieving it. Just because a ton of people decided to leech their mnks to 90 in abyssea doesnt mean SE should change what it takes to get a superior piece outside of abyssea.

Superchicken
03-14-2011, 04:00 PM
I really don't get all these "hand me free gears please SE" threads. MNKs have been getting black belts for years, it is a reward for putting time and effort into achieving it. Just because a ton of people decided to leech their mnks to 90 in abyssea doesnt mean SE should change what it takes to get a superior piece outside of abyssea.

cheers! Its like the debate in the bst forum over someone wanting jugs and pet food to be buyable from an NPC since on his server the crafters dont keep the ah stocked with what he wants.

I want a hachiryu body from PW, SE make this so i can buy it from the NPC cause its not fair i can't get anyone to go fight PW or build a PW pop set for that even!!!

FFXI is so unfair i swear!

Protey
03-15-2011, 02:15 AM
his guard isn't capped, look at his sig, it's only 207.

SNK
03-15-2011, 03:45 AM
Nah, it still doesn't mean you were spoonfed anything.

Some people may have done their gruntwork on another job or something, who knows. I know I did a lot of the work my 6 non mnk jobs on all mnk and it doesn't mean I'm not good on any of those other 6 jobs.

Edit: Like for my Sam, I'm working on Massamune.

I'm doing all of the work between my war and my mnk. I won't even be on sam again as a job until after Abyssea is over.

This. I just finished my Farsha stage 1 and I did all of my work not on my war or bst but on either my WHM or THF to get my 50 Fistule Discharges.

Barber
03-15-2011, 10:22 AM
I really don't get all these "hand me free gears please SE" threads. MNKs have been getting black belts for years, it is a reward for putting time and effort into achieving it. Just because a ton of people decided to leech their mnks to 90 in abyssea doesnt mean SE should change what it takes to get a superior piece outside of abyssea.

The difference is that for 5 years Black Belt items were one of the least wanted items from mobs that everyone did everyday. Lets face it, after 3 or 4 Wyrm Beards a linkshell was generally done with them but continued to camp fan/nid every day for the other gear. This allowed BB items to continue to flow into the system, many times to people who had no intention (at the time) of leveling monk.

Fast forward to a time where that other gear is worthless. Now the ONLY reason to camp them is for the BB items. That means 1) You won't be buying them anymore. Period. 2) Your linkshell won't be camping anymore. Period. In that regard BB items have gotten much more difficult to obtain despite the level cap increase. You can't get one as a 'side benefit' of camping kings because nobody does it.

BB items are in a rather unique position at the moment. It is, no doubt, the most highly desired item from the days of the 75 cap but the events to obtain them hold no rewards for anyone other than monk. Kings don't drop good gear anymore (other than 2 d. rings a year). KS99's use triggers that players don't renew anymore (kindred seals don't drop in abyssea and farming 99 of them would take 10ish hours minimum). It is in that regard very similar to the PUP attachments found in the ashu talif. Sure the event is easier because of the cap, but who (other than the person who needs the bb item/attachment) wants to do it? Nobody. Not when you can make more gil selling razed ruins or minikin. Not when instead of 20 KS fights you could have done 50 Amuns.

Mojo
03-15-2011, 10:39 AM
I solo'd Nidhogg the other day. The mob was up unclaimed when I got there. BB items aren't hard to get.

Henihhi
03-15-2011, 11:12 AM
I solo'd Nidhogg the other day. The mob was up unclaimed when I got there. BB items aren't hard to get.

Exactly- people just dont want to camp or compete because SE has been handing out gear like crazy. And it's not like theres even much competition now compared to when it was 75 cap. Yes it is still one the most sought after pre- abyssea pieces. You know what that means? It requires some effort and time to get it. Here's a novel idea, while camping the turtle, farm some seals between windows. Or, if you're really lazy go to abyssea, farm gold chests, make gil and buy it. You dont need an entire ls to camp kings anymore and the lses that still bother to camp them often do sell the bb items, thats why they camp them. If someone chooses to do 50 amuns instead of trying for their BB, they shouldn't be whining they don't have a BB. It's their choice whether to put the effort in or not.

Martinius
03-15-2011, 02:31 PM
I really don't get all these "hand me free gears please SE" threads. MNKs have been getting black belts for years, it is a reward for putting time and effort into achieving it. Just because a ton of people decided to leech their mnks to 90 in abyssea doesnt mean SE should change what it takes to get a superior piece outside of abyssea.

quoted for great truth.

Henihhi
03-16-2011, 01:29 PM
Lol thank you martinius. This whole "gimme gimme" attitude of ffxi lately has just blown my mind. Wonder how many mnks here dont know how to gear swap etc as has been proposed in general forums? I have seen mnks solo turtle at 75 and if you are crying about it at 90 you are just sad and need to lvl a different job. Every job forum i see is nothing but whining to se to give them more drops or JAs. Get over it learn your job and you wouldn't be whining here for freebies. Black belt is not hard to get, was never hard . quit your whining and do the quest like thousands before you. Or be gimp and use twilight LOL cuz you have brews and apparently thats the only way this "new breed" can kill anything even with atmas

Corwin
03-16-2011, 11:16 PM
I went 0/0 to 3/3 within a week of camping Kings. Turtle and Behemoth are a joke to solo. Fafhogg and other HQs you can easily duo/trio with a mediocre group. 75% of the time I was camping without competition.

And I'm under 100 Guard. Crazy that such a terribad MNK is able to get a BB!

And following Cream's advice I went from chump to champ within a few weeks. I've crushed most of Abyssea while afk. I've straight tanked Jormy like a boss. I've tanked Dyna blindfolded. Hell I even climbed Parradamo Tor without breaking a sweat. All this and more can be you today if you heed the wisdom that Cream Soda puts down.

Musahashi
03-17-2011, 09:05 AM
I went 0/0 to 3/3 within a week of camping Kings. Turtle and Behemoth are a joke to solo. Fafhogg and other HQs you can easily duo/trio with a mediocre group. 75% of the time I was camping without competition.

And I'm under 100 Guard. Crazy that such a terribad MNK is able to get a BB!

And following Cream's advice I went from chump to champ within a few weeks. I've crushed most of Abyssea while afk. I've straight tanked Jormy like a boss. I've tanked Dyna blindfolded. Hell I even climbed Parradamo Tor without breaking a sweat. All this and more can be you today if you heed the wisdom that Cream Soda puts down.

...lol!

What server are you on? I'm gonna come get my black belt.

But guys... It's not beating the NM's/HNM's thats troubling everyone, it's getting the claim, and being awake when the mob pops.

I'm on Lakshmi server, I have my Tongue, but have never been able to claim Fafnir/Nidhogg due to competition from a well known LS on the server that uses a claim bot in order to establish the claim on any NM. (This was proven as one of the LS members actually warped into the Behemoth pop zone and got claim, GM as normal, can never prove anything).

This LS camps Fafnir/Nidhogg everyday, they charge people gil to get a BB item, god knows what they do with the gil.

As for Adamantoise/Aspidochelon, I've been awake around it's pop times about 5 times in the past 3 months, purely due to server maintenence, and then as always, it dips into late PST time-zone, early JP time-zone, hows anyone around the GMT time zone ever meant to get that?

So yeah, i've completely given up trying to compete w/ cheats and people in the wrong timzone, I'm farming KS, and it's taking forever, but at least it's possible.

Corwin
03-18-2011, 07:15 AM
Well, at worst it'd be 3M for a beard. I can make that much in six days of moderate fishing. 2-4 days of selling pop items. Less than a day selling Abyssea gear. Egg is whacking Adamantoise for the off-chance of a drop while waiting for Aspid.

All it takes is a little motivation. Being awake for five pops out of 90 and QQing over some botshell selling drops doesn't show much of it.

Greever
03-19-2011, 11:36 PM
...lol!

What server are you on? I'm gonna come get my black belt.

But guys... It's not beating the NM's/HNM's thats troubling everyone, it's getting the claim, and being awake when the mob pops.

I'm on Lakshmi server, I have my Tongue, but have never been able to claim Fafnir/Nidhogg due to competition from a well known LS on the server that uses a claim bot in order to establish the claim on any NM. (This was proven as one of the LS members actually warped into the Behemoth pop zone and got claim, GM as normal, can never prove anything).

This LS camps Fafnir/Nidhogg everyday, they charge people gil to get a BB item, god knows what they do with the gil.

As for Adamantoise/Aspidochelon, I've been awake around it's pop times about 5 times in the past 3 months, purely due to server maintenence, and then as always, it dips into late PST time-zone, early JP time-zone, hows anyone around the GMT time zone ever meant to get that?
So yeah, i've completely given up trying to compete w/ cheats and people in the wrong timzone, I'm farming KS, and it's taking forever, but at least it's possible.

U dont own an alarm clock? lol. Just set the time for about 30 min before window opens, wake up, claim/track ToD when it dies, go back to sleep.

U have to be willing to do w/e it takes to get a BB. Took me about 3 months to get mine. camping nid/faff was out of the question for me. So what did i do? researched the KS99, built a full fire resist set for pld and took some friends to get the beard. Tounge, camped and did the KS99 for. Egg same as tounge.

BB is not for the faint of heart. even back before the level uncap, it took alot of effort to obtain if u werent in an HNM LS. Here's an option for the KS99, offer to pay ppl for their orb. 100k per orb, if egg drops on ur orb 500k. easy, simple. Or if you have ToD hire merc's. 100k if no drop, 500k if it dose.

There are ways around anything. U just have to be willing to do what it takes.