Suggestions: Quality of Life Stuff and other suggestions

[Alhanelem]

I'm not upset. you are reading way too far into it.I will absolutely wave the idea that people are getting "resentful" over someone earning extra points. The whole point of this mechanic in this content is to ensure and reward active participation.

I'm not here to "butt heads." I'm sorry you don't like my posts but you don't get to "hand wave" them away as "useless" either.

Anyone feeling resentment over this mechanic is aboslutely taking it way too seriously. I cannot support someone suggesting that everyone recieve maximum reward for minimum effort. If the content is such drudgery, so unfun and so otherwise useless that you only care about the points and you're terribly inconvenienced by taking any extra time to cap out your points and resent people getting bonuses, there are much bigger problems to look at. May as well just give people the points for logging in and remove the battles.

[Alhanelem]

I said that there is no reason why EVERYONE can't just do one dragon and be done instead of 2 people max, This desire seems mutually exclusive with the maximum reward minimum effort thing. But I'm open to being told how I'm misunderstanding this. But it seems to me that if everyone can just do 1 dragon and be done (where currently, some people can and some people can't), then people can participate/contribute less while still being fully rewarded. And in general terms, I don't like seeing content trivialized by the elimination of needed effort to receive rewards. It's for the same reasons I generally oppose the rather common suggestion for content that wasn't designed for alliances to have the playercount limit set to 18 without making any other changes. Alliance content should be designed to need alliances, otherwise it doesn't need to be alliance content.

As far as people being selfish- okay? Why do you feel bad about not liking people being selfish? That's a completely normal response. But it still doesn't justify the change you propose. Maybe consider attacking this problem from another angle and offer more bonus opportunities on an individual basis such that they can't be "hogged."


You come in here and flame people with your passive-aggressive attitudeI'm neither flaming anyone nor being passive aggressive. How exactly did I flame you, and where exactly did you feel I was passive-aggressive? Truly honest question.

But it seems like you need to practice what you preach-


Burn in hell. Extremely inappropriate and disproportionate response. Who's flaming who now?

I'm truly sorry that I upset you, but this is not the way to respond to such situations.

[Catmato]

Please make Domain invasions give 100 points regardless of attendance level or bonuses. I'm sick and tired of resenting people for being greedy and grabbing both bonuses whether they are ignorant of what they have done or not. The game should not be fostering resentment towards other people and I really don't see the point in making people wait another 10 minutes to cap off their points for the day. This does not mean I want the brew effect removed though, that is important for people on low population servers who may not be quite strong enough to solo the dragon otherwise.

Take the extra 15 minutes it takes to do a second run, or get some LSmates to go with you so you get the group size bonus. It's not that serious.

[Shuramura]

I'm my opinion waiting another 15 minutes just to get the 20 points you're missing is not meaningful gameplay, it's just a time sink at that point.

[Alhanelem]

I'm my opinion waiting another 15 minutes just to get the 20 points you're missing is not meaningful gameplay, it's just a time sink at that point.
I mean we could argue the whole content isn't meaningful gameplay, but as long as the content exists, giving everyone the bonus (aside from it not being a bonus anymore) disincentivizes people from participating to their fullest since they will get fully rewarded regardless. And the last thing a content where -- in some cases, tons of people can be there and make it lag badly -- needs, is people present and not doing much to contribute to its completion.

[Catmato]

I'm my opinion waiting another 15 minutes just to get the 20 points you're missing is not meaningful gameplay, it's just a time sink at that point.

If it's not worth your time, then don't do it. DI points aren't THAT valuable anyway.

[Alhanelem]

If it's not worth your time, then don't do it. DI points aren't THAT valuable anyway.
I'll be honest, I've been ignoring DI for quite some time, unless someone calls for help with mieru or something. It's hard for me to understand why someone would care about this so passionately as to be jaded about someone hogging the bonus. Glad I'm not alone here. (And no, I've never done that)

You don't even have to max out your points every day. Why is this that big a deal?

[Catmato]

Why is this that big a deal?

I don't question why people like to do stuff. Some people just find more enjoyment out of some things than others. Hell, I'll go do campaign battles sometimes for the hell of it.

[Alhanelem]

I don't question why people like to do stuff. Some people just find more enjoyment out of some things than others. Hell, I'll go do campaign battles sometimes for the hell of it.
Well yeah, some people enjoy them. But I'd argue if you're mad that you missed out on 20 points and you need to do another DI, that you aren't there because you enjoy the content. If you enjoyed doing it, I don't think someone would be bothered by needing to do another one.

[Rinuko]

I'll be honest, I've been ignoring DI for quite some time, unless someone calls for help with mieru or something. It's hard for me to understand why someone would care about this so passionately as to be jaded about someone hogging the bonus. Glad I'm not alone here. (And no, I've never done that)

You don't even have to max out your points every day. Why is this that big a deal?

When I fairly fresh 99 many years ago when DI was still new and hot, I'd use it for making gil and get Escha gear/weapons since I wasn't capable of getting it myself or find people to help me. Nowadays, I don't bother at all unless like it was stated, if Mireu pops.

[BobbinT]

In a way, guess I felt that. Still doing DI whenever back from return home campaigns. Even Bahamut server did lose bonuses few years ago, but since ppl still spamming it, mostly bead farms for aeonics.

Also, recommended to just put a certain person in ignore list, so you don't get distracted. These 2 pages long debates felt wholly unnecessary, & this is for QoL suggestions, & so far from what I read, the debates doesn't even accounts for new players or those only plays during return home campaigns, hence their stance of ignorance due to their already higher-geared mainly from being more subbed.

[Alhanelem]

Also, recommended to just put a certain person in ignore list, so you don't get distracted. These 2 pages long debates felt wholly unnecessary, & this is for QoL suggestions, & so far from what I read, the debates doesn't even accounts for new players or those only plays during return home campaigns, hence their stance of ignorance due to their already higher-geared mainly from being more subbed.

It's much more reccomended that you let people come to their own conclusions instead of trying to smear people while dancing around the rules by not naming them directly. Reported.