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Makenshi

11-05-2013, 08:02 AM

I'm not that in the know when it comes to gear.(i also havent played since FF14 came out, although i recently quit).
How much does it seem like these will be worth using? For at least pre-delve which i never get into.

Looking at the stats i know i will be after the SMN gear, but i'm not sure about the others.

FaeQueenCory

11-05-2013, 08:21 AM

SMN is great. (or at least the horn and pigaches are... empy+2 body is still better... even if the +BPdmg% is the same +10%... the pants don't beat Ngen Seraweels or the Empy+2... and the hands still can't touch relic+2 bracers...)
It's pretty much the same for all the others I'd imagine... Though I've only looked at WHM and DNC... And DNC because the empy set isn't anywhere near fa~bu~lo~us enough for me...
1-2 pieces that might be used... mostly mage oriented jobs will use them over the skirmish or even bayld gear.
But overall from the three I looked at, very nice.
Which shouldn't be all that surprising because GEO and RUN's 109AF1 sets were very well designed.

But it sounds like getting the "seals" to get the pieces you want... is gonna be crappy.
From what I gather, it's X of a certain numbered Memoir for a certain piece. X is less for a AF1+1 piece

This is very tentative and likely to be wrong... but with what I got now.. this is how it be.

noirin

11-05-2013, 09:09 AM

according to the NPC for the new AF armor, upgrading a normal AF piece requires 10 memoir pages from the new BCNM fights. Upgrading from +1 requires the AF, 2 extra upgrade items, and 5 pages.

FaeQueenCory

11-05-2013, 09:35 AM

according to the NPC for the new AF armor, upgrading a normal AF piece requires 10 memoir pages from the new BCNM fights. Upgrading from +1 requires the AF, 2 extra upgrade items, and 5 pages.
+1 requires MORE items than starting with the base?? >_> That's bizarre.

It also seems that the the BCNMs that you get these from are for 20 Sacred Kindred Crests...
AND it seems that they drop certain memoirs dependant on the area. eg: Throne Room BCNM drops the "seals" for body pieces.

So... it's not so bad...
10 pages/piece
The pages are a guaranteed drop depending on the difficulty... 1-4/BCNM
200 Sacred Kindred Seals per AF piece is a BIT on the steep side... BUT that's doing the BCNM only at the easiest level. (which will probably be the only real way to do it solo after this week when everyone has gotten their full 109AFs)
Dunno how hard "Very Difficult" is... but for 4 pages (gah I keep typing seals, damn abyssea)... It's probably very doable and easy enough.

Now I'm wondering what the other two things are for +1>>>109... Probably drops from the BCNMs too.
It might work out easier to just redo the acquisition quests and 109 from there. Or it might just be faster lol

Well... Good.
I don't envy REM updates... at least the AF looks like it could be fun...
(and those of us with abysmal luck at random drops aren't boned... I'll actually get the ones I need!! Instead of the 8 full stacks of 99 feet pages... That is the bad luck random drops I get...)

Stompa

11-05-2013, 12:39 PM

I like the PUP set because its got loads of Pet:Haste+ on it. None of the other sets interest me much tbh.

FaeQueenCory

11-06-2013, 02:44 AM

Having looked them all over... The only one that I look at and say "why didn't you do the obvious X thing" is probably THF.
"we wanna add more TH options"
"we wanna make it so that THF isn't gimped by TH demand"
"we are updating the AF1 sets to 109"

Perfect opportunity for more TH gear.... missed.
Though.... I imagine that the iLv relic and empy gear is gonna have it.
So it might just be a calculated move on their part...
Or maybe I'm just overthinking things...

>_>
If RUN and GEO have 71-75 relic and 80-89 empy sets....

I'mma eat my cat.
(not really. Jaspers is too awesome to eat.)

ALSO: SE, when you decide to make the >/=109 relic and empy sets....
Dear god...
Just use what we already have.
Use these memoir pages for the "+3" versions...
Just... don't make ANOTHER new seal/crest with more BCNMs with new upgrade items to burn on the first week and then never do again.

Also, I look forward to seeing what levels the relic and empy sets will be... 109 and sideways to AF1? Or perhaps keeping with tradition and having them be higher level? (119 empy+3! make that happen!)

Edyth

11-06-2013, 03:20 AM

FaeQueenCory

11-06-2013, 07:13 AM

It's 5 items for AF+1 to upgrade, and 10 for normal AF to upgrade. It's confusing though because the NPC assumes you have the +1 and talks about that first, then tells you about the normal version as an afterthought.

I think this system looks great. Abyssea seals were a huge hit, and this is basically the same thing, but without staggering and with guaranteed drops for each player.
I actually have grown to like it... I am against super grinding in all it's forms... (I blame the smn magian staff trials... Arka III... Go kill yourself, Carbuncle... Can't wait for Cait Sith...)
But the bold of your statement is why I'm fine with it now.

And the underlined part is why I don't like the REM update.
Which... kinda makes me wonder why they thought BCNMs with guaranteed yours only drops was a good idea for AF update... but... random drops that aren't guaranteed yours... yeah...

Abyssea seals were a huge hit because they didn't require full alliances... or even full parties most of the time...
AND you could also make the NMs drop the seals you needed (or at least get a better chance) by procing it...
This BCNM way is only a pain because I know some people don't have over 1k seals that they've been sitting on for years to convert to the new seals to get the 10pages they need.
(I have... so many seals/crests.... you have no idea.... pretty sure getting the 109AFs I want will eat them up though lol)

Twille

11-06-2013, 07:39 AM

From what i hear you can't convert the other seals/crests into the new Sacred Kindred Crests you need, essentially making this a dead event until enough people farm the new Crests. And even then I anticipate more people using these Crests for the BCNMs with RME upgrade items rather than AF upgrades.
I haven't heard a single person express any interest in AF upgrades on my server yet.

Zumi

11-06-2013, 07:57 AM

From what i hear you can't convert the other seals/crests into the new Sacred Kindred Crests you need, essentially making this a dead event until enough people farm the new Crests. And even then I anticipate more people using these Crests for the BCNMs with RME upgrade items rather than AF upgrades.
I haven't heard a single person express any interest in AF upgrades on my server yet.

RME upgrades and AF upgrades both drop from the same bcnms

Twille

11-06-2013, 08:08 AM

RME upgrades and AF upgrades both drop from the same bcnms

Ah, I see that now, thank you. I should have read more carefully.

FaeQueenCory

11-06-2013, 08:44 AM

From what i hear you can't convert the other seals/crests into the new Sacred Kindred Crests you need, essentially making this a dead event until enough people farm the new Crests.
0_0

I pray to all divinities that this is an oversight...
Because that's just as BS as the requirement to forge a mythic allowing 99 Mythics be turned into 119 Mythics.
We can trade all other seals for any of any...

This needs to be patched... because I don't feel like burning all my login pts in campaign 5 on these new seals...
They are stupid expensive. 100pt/S.Kindred Seal...
That's 2000pt just for a single pop... >_>

This needs to be fixed... I got so many crappy low level seals and crests.... Why do I have 452 kindred seals? BECAUSE I NEVER USED THEM!
Before that one campaign a bit ago... I was gonna use them for utsusemi ni and phalanx farming...
Now I had planned on AF upgrade farming....
But if I can't trade them...........
>_>

PrettyShambolic

11-14-2013, 11:57 AM

Hi guys,

Sorry if someone has already linked to the details, but I'm totally lost with all this new AF. Is there a list somewhere that shows the new pieces and where do I start the quest to upgrade?

detlef

11-14-2013, 12:40 PM

It's not a quest, but you can see a list of the items here:

http://www.ffxiah.com/new-items/2013-11-04

Demon6324236

11-14-2013, 12:43 PM

Reforged Armor (http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Reforge_Armor)

Draylo

11-14-2013, 02:13 PM

Okipuit

11-15-2013, 05:16 AM

Clou777

11-16-2013, 09:56 PM

SMN feet BP dmg boosts is only about 4-5%

Sapphires

11-19-2013, 12:25 AM

Some items are good, some are bad. There are many sidegrade gear and direct upgrades. This is a step towards the old model people wanted to have back, so now you have progress towards that in XI. I think its a good thing and I liked most AF1 looks anyway (BLU!)

I'm totally happy with this, the new AF is great for letting players look like the jobs they play instead of the ugly and generic skirmish/delve gear that ruined job identity from a visual standpoint.

Camate

12-05-2013, 04:02 AM

Greetings,

We wanted to let you know that we will be removing the “rare” aspect of the materials needed for artifact armor upgrades that can be obtained from Limbus, and we will also be making them stackable up to 12.

While it wasn't mentioned in the overview of the December version update, I'd like to update you that the above adjustment has been finalized and will take place during the December version update. :D

Sapphire

12-05-2013, 07:02 AM

Wonder what will happen to all the pieces I have living in dbox limbo...

noirin

12-05-2013, 09:52 AM

Speaking of the AF upgrades, i noticed on the December list that we will be able to convert older beast seals into Sacred Crests.Any chance there is any info on what the conversion rate is going to be?

Ravenmore

12-05-2013, 08:50 PM

Kimjongil

12-05-2013, 09:30 PM

I hoping 20 bs = 1sck. 10 ks or 5 kc or 3 hkc = 1. Or people will spam this event to death.

Ravenmore

12-05-2013, 10:08 PM

I hoping 20 bs = 1sck. 10 ks or 5 kc or 3 hkc = 1. Or people will spam this event to death.

Not happening. They are giving them out in the next login campaign SKC for 30 points and BS for 10.

Zarchery

12-09-2013, 02:46 AM

I'm totally happy with this, the new AF is great for letting players look like the jobs they play instead of the ugly and generic skirmish/delve gear that ruined job identity from a visual standpoint.

I'll say. I went to a Wildkeeper Reive last week and everyone there was draped in identical red crap.

lllen

12-11-2013, 12:23 AM

Remember when everyone and I mean everyone was in either blue, pink or white from Abyssea. The Red gear is good with stats, but nothing really to boost a particular job. Some pieces have job related stats, but its not like the af v1,2,3 which is geared to your job. It is all situational gear, pick what helps the job. Your wardrobe has just gotten bigger, I'll be happier can't tell a whm from a rdm from a blm from a smn from a blu.

FaeQueenCory

12-11-2013, 02:56 AM

Not that anyone was really surprised about it... but looks like the Ark Angels and Divine Might will be where the 119 "papers" or whatever they are are dropped from.
Though it seems like RUN and GEO are not in the 109AF and 119AF slips...
Probably just an oversight... Cause weren't they getting their AF1 119ified this update too??

Not sure how I feel about merit points being used to make the pops...
On the one hand: finally a use for merits points.
On the other: bluh. that's a lot of merit points. (100 to clear the 5 solo, which look like it's needed for the Divine Might? which takes 30 more... looks like the exp parties will be back in full... they've been kinda spotty lately.)
On the other hand: at least it's not Sacred *High* Kindred Crests.... >:[
So overall: good idea!

I look forward to not only seeing the stats of the 119 (dear god... that PLD body) but also the exact mechanism behind it all...
And will there be suppanomimi+1? That's the real question.
;p

Okipuit

12-11-2013, 05:11 AM

Greetings,

Below is a comment from Akihiko Matsui in regards to artifact armor upgrades.

Matsui here.

As previously promised, artifact armor can be upgraded even further.

In the December version update, the items required to upgrade artifact armor can be obtained via the higher-tier mission battlefields.

Essentially, you can obtain them from all levels of difficulty, and you’ll have an opportunity to acquire these when defeating enemies as well as clearing the content. The rewards for clearing the content will be given to all participants, while the items dropped from bosses will be placed in the treasure pool.

The main method for obtaining these items will be challenging the higher-tier mission battlefields; however, we’ve also prepared a supplementary method of obtaining them through Records of Eminence.

Umichi

12-11-2013, 05:29 AM

Hopefully obatining these slips wll be equivalent of sorts to the effort of doing the new missions. that s all I ask for!

FaeQueenCory

12-11-2013, 11:55 PM

Hopefully obatining these slips wll be equivalent of sorts to the effort of doing the new missions. that s all I ask for!
I'm betting it's duplicitous to the SKC BCNMs.
In other words: 5 types of pages, 5 Ark Angels, each Ark Angel drops a specific type of page. (With Divine Might II... dropping randoms? no clue yet, haven't done it.)

And with the Eminence stuff... the 20/30 Merit Point demand.... is actually pretty low.
You don't even need burn pts anymore...
So...
Even more good job, SE, for utilizing a pre-existing resource that had no use after a certain point for this.