Coming back!

[Sigynh]

Greetings, fellow Dancers:

I left the game right after the level cap got raised from 75. I used my disappointment from the thought of grinding again to get on with some RL stuff.

That being said, I think I'll come play the game a bit, and come back.

Now, what should I do first, assuming that I have all my gear back including full af2, full af, Ermine's Tail, and Jambiya +1?

Appreciate all suggestions and help!

[Kaeoni]

Welcome back~!

First thing i'd do is get Abyssea, so you can start building your stones, get to level 90 dnc then like... you honestly have the ability to solo all or near all your charis +1 AF3, if you so choose. Happy hunting d=.

[Frost]

Greetings, fellow Dancers:

I left the game right after the level cap got raised from 75. I used my disappointment from the thought of grinding again to get on with some RL stuff.

That being said, I think I'll come play the game a bit, and come back.

Now, what should I do first, assuming that I have all my gear back including full af2, full af, Ermine's Tail, and Jambiya +1?

Appreciate all suggestions and help!

Magian Daggers.
Get 2 Evasion Daggers and you'll be a god in Abyssea. There isn't much you can't solo in abyssea if you got the right settup.

And don't worry about leveling right away, get in touch with your old friends and try to get atmas first. If your friends have more than two braincells, they'll know which ones to get you immediately. Once you get the good atmas, everything else is not only easy, but fun, including leveling.

[Sigynh]

Magian Daggers.
Get 2 Evasion Daggers and you'll be a god in Abyssea. There isn't much you can't solo in abyssea if you got the right settup.

And don't worry about leveling right away, get in touch with your old friends and try to get atmas first. If your friends have more than two braincells, they'll know which ones to get you immediately. Once you get the good atmas, everything else is not only easy, but fun, including leveling.

Are you referring to wind-based dakini when you say evasion daggers?

Also, I'll need to read up on atmas (no idea what they are), but what do you suggest off the top of my head which ones I should get?

Thanks for the responses!

[Anethia]

Are you referring to wind-based dakini when you say evasion daggers?

Also, I'll need to read up on atmas (no idea what they are), but what do you suggest off the top of my head which ones I should get?

Thanks for the responses!

x2 Eva Kila+2, twilight knife (but that comes later), auric dagger(enhances DUAL WIELD effect 5%), charis necklace (enhances dual wield effect 5%), charis feather (dex+4, increases critical hit rate) and any charis +1/2 you can get your paws on (+1 body gives 7% dual wield effect, +2 body gives 10% I think. Plus bonuses to pretty much every other stat, trait, and JA you'll use).

atma of the voracious violet (enhances double attack: major, TP regain: major)
Atma of razed ruins (dex increase: major, increased critical hit rate: major, increased critical hit damage: major)
Atma of the sand emperor and/or atma of cloak and dagger (effects are similar accuracy and evasion: major)

Those are good ones to start with. There are other atmas you will learn more about, but these are great ones to focus on if you're just concerned with melee and evasion.

[Alkalinehoe]

x2 Eva Kila+2, twilight knife (but that comes later), auric dagger(enhances DUAL WIELD effect 5%), charis necklace (enhances dual wield effect 5%), charis feather (dex+4, increases critical hit rate) and any charis +1/2 you can get your paws on (+1 body gives 7% dual wield effect, +2 body gives 10% I think. Plus bonuses to pretty much every other stat, trait, and JA you'll use).

atma of the voracious violet (enhances double attack: major, TP regain: major)
Atma of razed ruins (dex increase: major, increased critical hit rate: major, increased critical hit damage: major)
Atma of the sand emperor and/or atma of cloak and dagger (effects are similar accuracy and evasion: major)

Those are good ones to start with. There are other atmas you will learn more about, but these are great ones to focus on if you're just concerned with melee and evasion.
Few errors with your post:
1. Charis neck is 3% DW.
2. Charis Feather is increases critical hit damage by 5%
3. Not sure, but every source I've read states that Charis Body +1 gives 5% DW, +2 gives 10%. So he may be better off using Rapparee harness if he isn't capping haste.
4. Gnarled Horn atma should be a higher priority than SE/C&D.

I would also recommend to get Ballerines as they are better than +1 Charis Feet.

[Anethia]

Few errors with your post:
1. Charis neck is 3% DW.
2. Charis Feather is increases critical hit damage by 5%
3. Not sure, but every source I've read states that Charis Body +1 gives 5% DW, +2 gives 10%. So he may be better off using Rapparee harness if he isn't capping haste.
4. Gnarled Horn atma should be a higher priority than SE/C&D.

I would also recommend to get Ballerines as they are better than +1 Charis Feet.

I don't know what gnarled horn does. Never bothered with getting it, eva and acc is better than anything IMO. And my charis info was strictly memory based on 8 month old info. Yes its 3, 5, and 10% respectively, doesn't negate the fact they are still good.

[Alkalinehoe]

I don't know what gnarled horn does. Never bothered with getting it, eva and acc is better than anything IMO. And my charis info was strictly memory based on 8 month old info. Yes its 3, 5, and 10% respectively, doesn't negate the fact they are still good.
Gnarled Horn is: 30% Critical Hit Rate, 50AGI and Counter: Minor. The 50AGI essentially gives you 25 EVA as well as giving you added "subtle blow" from capping AGI mod. Far better to use than the two you listed.

Edit: With RR, crour buffs and decent gear you should have no problems with ACC except for the rare highly evasive mobs, which food will most likely fix anyways.

[Sigynh]

Thanks for all the great tips.

I think I'm going to try to get as far as I can on the dakini/kila work, which should give me some decent XP in the meantime, and then go from there.

I've obviously have never been to Abyssea, but am looking forward to it.

Are there any suggestions on any new 75-76 gear that I should pick up in the meantime that is new and exciting?

[Anethia]

Thanks for all the great tips.

I think I'm going to try to get as far as I can on the dakini/kila work, which should give me some decent XP in the meantime, and then go from there.

I've obviously have never been to Abyssea, but am looking forward to it.

Are there any suggestions on any new 75-76 gear that I should pick up in the meantime that is new and exciting?

75-80 aurore doublet set. Which can be purchased from abyssea cruor prospectors. (cruor dropped off abyssea mobs is abyssea currency )

[Sigynh]

I saw the aurore set.

What are all the cool kids wearing for throwing items, rings, and earrings these days?

Still using my plectrum for healing, Ulthalam's/Raja's, and Suppa/Brutal

thanks!

[Alkalinehoe]

Charis Feather, Rajas/Heed (or Rajas/Epona's if you can get one) and earrings stayed the same.

Aurore is ok, but don't full time it or TP in the full set. Dusk Gloves>Aurore Hands, W. Turban>Aurore Head, etc.

Aim for your AF3+1! With your abyssea you should shoot from 75->90 very quickly.

[Anethia]

Charis Feather, Rajas/Heed (or Rajas/Epona's if you can get one) and earrings stayed the same.

Aurore is ok, but don't full time it or TP in the full set. Dusk Gloves>Aurore Hands, W. Turban>Aurore Head, etc.

Aim for your AF3+1! With your abyssea you should shoot from 75->90 very quickly.

Fulltiming the full set is just fine, you actually don't gain anything from turban and dusk besides 2 haste and 5 att (which is better reserved for ws, but is ultimately a waste of inventory), you lose 2 acc, 4 evasion and 4 store TP. It's just not worth it. The earrings and rings I can say that whatever you use at 75 will hold you over til 90+, though there is better stuff out there. I full time raja ring and still use sniper ring (which I will switch with epona's if I can get it). Earrings I full time suppanomimi and brutal. Throwing, get your hands on charis feather soon as you can.

Passed 80 you wanna get af3+1. You can full time the aurore body. A lot od people will still swear by SH and SH+1, but the acc and Eva stats are exactly the same, and with aurore doublet you gain 2% double attack that sh and SH+1 don't have. Back: amemet +1 and boxers mantel (ws and eva set, get atheling mantel first chance you get as a TP/ws piece it is one sexy item).

I could could go into my set up but I have 3 sets of gear I macro through. If you would like more tips I'll post em after I get off work.

[Alkalinehoe]

Fulltiming the full set is just fine, you actually don't gain anything from turban and dusk besides 2 haste and 5 att (which is better reserved for ws, but is ultimately a waste of inventory), you lose 2 acc, 4 evasion and 4 store TP. It's just not worth it. The earrings and rings I can say that whatever you use at 75 will hold you over til 90+, though there is better stuff out there. I full time raja ring and still use sniper ring (which I will switch with epona's if I can get it). Earrings I full time suppanomimi and brutal. Throwing, get your hands on charis feather soon as you can.

Passed 80 you wanna get af3+1. You can full time the aurore body. A lot od people will still swear by SH and SH+1, but the acc and Eva stats are exactly the same, and with aurore doublet you gain 2% double attack that sh and SH+1 don't have. Back: amemet +1 and boxers mantel (ws and eva set, get atheling mantel first chance you get as a TP/ws piece it is one sexy item).

I could could go into my set up but I have 3 sets of gear I macro through. If you would like more tips I'll post em after I get off work.
No, if you aren't capping haste (and you aren't if you are tping in full Aurore) then Turban and Dusk win. Rapparree should also beat out Aurore body when DDing and most of the time I tank in charis Body +2 which doesn't have EVA on it, so you really don't need Aurore Doublet unless you need the Evasion.

I'm not sure how many times i have to say this, ACC is a moot point in Abyssea, stop bringing it up lol. So the real comparison is between 6% Haste Vs. Store TP+4. Yeah, don't fulltime aurore.

[Dawnn]

Yeah lets please NOT advise new/returning dancers to TP in full aurore -.-

[Anethia]

No, if you aren't capping haste (and you aren't if you are tping in full Aurore) then Turban and Dusk win. Rapparree should also beat out Aurore body when DDing and most of the time I tank in charis Body +2 which doesn't have EVA on it, so you really don't need Aurore Doublet unless you need the Evasion.

I'm not sure how many times i have to say this, ACC is a moot point in Abyssea, stop bringing it up lol. So the real comparison is between 6% Haste Vs. Store TP+4. Yeah, don't fulltime aurore.

And you seem to forget there is more in the game than just abyssea, ranpare harness is pretty much useless inside abyssea as well. Full time aurore if you want, 2% haste is not that important with fully merited haste samba and a 7-9% DA build. Stacking a multi attack build > haste both inside and outside abyssea, with or without atma. I.e. Aurore doublet 2% DA, brutal 5%, twilight belt 2 or 3% (I dont remember right off the top of my head) and 7% haste. Heck even with just a swift belt you are nearing delay cap with merited haste samba along with all the DW- equipment we get with charis body +1/+2, suppanomimi, charis necklace, and auric dagger.

I agree with charis+2, I'd full time that if I had it.

[Dawnn]

And to contribute~

for your charis head seals, Berstuk and Gieremund are easily soloable

I solo'd berstuk without any eva atmas, hell all I had one was RR and VV i think, i dont remember the second atma, just stun the purulent ooze or whatever. If you have your Charis casaque, i highly recommend macroing it in!

Gieremund is easier than berstuk, if you wanted to just throw up fan dance, and basically afk for 5 mins. With any sort of evasion atma he isn't much of a threat

Also if you have a few blm/blu/nin/brd friends try to get them to tag along. Yellow weaknesses cause an increased drop rate of seals (I'm not sure if you know anything about abyssea weaknesses but you can find it on wiki on the main abyssea page)

[Dawnn]

Haste vs Double attack?

really?
If you want a multi-attack build then grab this WONDERFUL atma called Voracious Violet or Atma of the Apocalypse
as for outside abyssea (not sure what there is to be fighting at the moment) I'd still use full haste

Also if i remember correctly Saber Dance makes your DA rate unaffected by gear, which would make stacking DA gear useless, and in return, make stacking haste much more important

[Alkalinehoe]

And you seem to forget there is more in the game than just abyssea, ranpare harness is pretty much useless inside abyssea as well. Full time aurore if you want, 2% haste is not that important with fully merited haste samba and a 7-9% DA build. Stacking a multi attack build > haste both inside and outside abyssea, with or without atma. I.e. Aurore doublet 2% DA, brutal 5%, twilight belt 2 or 3% (I dont remember right off the top of my head) and 7% haste. Heck even with just a swift belt you are nearing delay cap with merited haste samba along with all the DW- equipment we get with charis body +1/+2, suppanomimi, charis necklace, and auric dagger.

I agree with charis+2, I'd full time that if I had it.
How is Rapparree useless in Abyssea? Ok first off, you are not telling me that stacking DA is superior to stacking Haste, because it isn't. Why do you bring up other pieces of gear? We were talking about body slots. Ultimately, it's 4% Haste Vs. Store TP+4 (When you don't need the ACC or EVA), Rapp wins. When you need the EVA, obviously you should use Aurore. But there is no reason you should be full timing it.

Also, how you are "nearing" the delay cap?

1. Assuming you're full timing aurore set with that Swift Belt, you're only hitting 15% haste, Still missing 11% haste to cap. If you're using Twilight, that's 18% Haste, still missing another 7%. Now, Rapp+W Turban+Swift+Dusk Gloves will give you 17% haste w/ Swift, 20% with Twilight. Still no where near gear haste cap.
2. You do realize Auric Dagger is a shitty dagger to begin with? It's only real use is for Subtle Blow, which is pretty easy to cap now a days without anyways. It's low damage and high delay really aren't worth it for 5% delay reduction, especially when you can cap delay reduction without it.
3. Dual Wield is not superior to haste. They both make you attack faster but DW lowers the amount of TP gained per hit, haste does not. Capping gear haste should be your priority.
4. Haste benefits get larger as you add more haste, Double/Triple attack do not. Stacking haste is better.
5. I don't full time Charis body+2, don't put words into my mouth. I swap when necessary, but most times when tanking the EVA isn't necessary, especially when you have a WHM.

[Dawnn]

lol pretty much what he said ^

also if you want some real GOOD advice Ninian is an awesome dancer and good at explaining pretty much everything
I'd definetly take the time to read the guide

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15518/ninians-dnc-guide/

[Frost]

And you seem to forget there is more in the game than just abyssea, ranpare harness is pretty much useless inside abyssea as well. Full time aurore if you want, 2% haste is not that important with fully merited haste samba and a 7-9% DA build.

The truth is, the more haste you add, the more each additional piece of haste is even more valuable. (See Below)


Stacking a multi attack build > haste both inside and outside abyssea, with or without atma. I.e. Aurore doublet 2% DA, brutal 5%, twilight belt 2%[...] and 7% haste.

First, you can have both.... Just because you use haste in your body slot doesnt' mean you can't use Brutal earring. They way you present your information is a false dichotomy; it's not either/or. You're sacrificing 4% haste for 2% Double attack. Period.

As stated above, the more haste you add, the more value haste has. Where Double Attack suffers form diminishing returns.

Best illustrated in extremes:

100 hits:

25% DA = 125 hits.
25% Haste = 133 Hits.

50% DA = 150 hits.
50% Haste = 200 hits.

75% DA = 175 hits.
75% Haste = 400 Hits.

80% DA = 180 hits.
80% Haste = 500 hits.

It's not intuitive, but haste is a reduction in the time between actions, not an increase in the amount of actions.

At 50% haste, you're removing 1/2 the delay, meaning, you're able to do 2 actions in the same time.

At 80% delay reduction(capped, reference for below), you've reduced the time between actions to a mere 20% of the original, meaning you can do 5x as much in the same time.

And you can see, the difference between 75% delay reduction and 80% is a 100% increase in hit rate. That's only 5% haste. Rapparee COULD be that 5%.


Heck even with just a swift belt you are nearing delay cap with merited haste samba along with all the DW- equipment we get with charis body +1/+2, suppanomimi, charis necklace, and auric dagger.

No.


I agree with charis+2, I'd full time that if I had it.

The only accurate advice in your entire post.

[Glamdring]

jinx discus, love it, ranged curse if your throwing skill is worth anything. granted, it's that crappy curse players get, not the cool curse that mobs get that takes off a chunk of HP, MP, gives gravity and slow, but still it ain't useless.

[Jesterking]

lol... Advocating full Aurore. Such silliness.

[Sigynh]

So here's what I'm thinking to shoot for an everyday build (am 77 now, almost 78)

Head: W. Turban
Neck: <unknown yet>
Earrings: Brutal/Suppa
Hands: Dusk Gloves
Body: Rapparee
Rings: Raja's/Ulthalam's
Back: Boxer's
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Aurore Brais
Feet: Aurore Gaiters

Then I'll start working on WS builds and specialties. I can swap in AF and AF2 pieces as needed for waltz's, steps, etc.

[Sigynh]

lol pretty much what he said ^

also if you want some real GOOD advice Ninian is an awesome dancer and good at explaining pretty much everything
I'd definetly take the time to read the guide

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15518/ninians-dnc-guide/

Thanks for the guide, wow! this is great!

[Dawnn]

no prob ^^