Not a merge, but open migration

[Karah]

All the people commenting about server populations crashing, well merges aren't really going to fix it, a merge is a bandaid, what we need is a suture.

As far as I can tell it comes down to this;

Servers with mixed populations don't work. The jp are racist, the na are racist and there are never enough eu on the same server to do anything.

No one is willing to even try to co-operate with each other, the auto-translation system is non-existant.

What needs to be done, is do away with the fee to change servers, open *NEW* or existing servers, and allow open/free migration to them.

A place where all the jp can play with only jp and no filthy 外人 (foreigners).

Where the na don't have to shout all day long "jp y u no play with me?"

Places where there are no more language barriers, no more "Prime times" etc.

We're all thinking it, I'm just saying it. It's time.

When your server population is 500 and 300 of them REFUSE to play with you (because you speak a different language), why should you continue playing?

Am I wrong here?

[Slaxx]

We're NOT all thinking it.

You ARE wrong here.

[Karah]

When i say "all" I don't mean it literally, only the people that matter.

[Spectreman]

That will concentrate most players in Asura and Odin, leaving all other servers ghost cities. Then a merge would be required to scavenge the ghost servers into 3-4 healthy ones.

[Trisscar]

Why not just merge all remaining servers into one?

[FrankReynolds]

All the people commenting about server populations crashing, well merges aren't really going to fix it, a merge is a bandaid, what we need is a suture.

As far as I can tell it comes down to this;

Servers with mixed populations don't work. The jp are racist, the na are racist and there are never enough eu on the same server to do anything.

No one is willing to even try to co-operate with each other, the auto-translation system is non-existant.

What needs to be done, is do away with the fee to change servers, open *NEW* or existing servers, and allow open/free migration to them.

A place where all the jp can play with only jp and no filthy 外人 (foreigners).

Where the na don't have to shout all day long "jp y u no play with me?"

Places where there are no more language barriers, no more "Prime times" etc.

We're all thinking it, I'm just saying it. It's time.

When your server population is 500 and 300 of them REFUSE to play with you (because you speak a different language), why should you continue playing?

Am I wrong here?

As long as it was voluntary, I don't see why this would be a problem.

[Anjou]

One thing that would more than likely help...

Getting rid of that 90 day wait after a previous world transfer has been conducted.

Ever think that'd help?

[nyheen]

so in other words you want to make it jp eu or na server only? that would be a bad idea because we already hurting in server population, so cutting it down to jp or na would make it worst, not everyone from na,jp etc dont always play at the same time. i work around 4:00PM-1AM so if iam in a all NA server most likely it will be a dead ghost town with even less people to play with. it best to keep it mix and rarely do i ever see jp, na only stuff.
and ya merging all of the remaining servers if it possible would be a great fun idea

[Trisscar]

Agreed. I work thirteen hour shifts so a merge into Japanese or North American only servers would only hurt me as well. And what about European or Australian players? They would be simply out of luck.

[Demon6324236]

I'm against it. On the other hand, if you were to say free server changes for everyone so that if we want to we can move over to another server in order to try finding more people to play with, without the 25 dollar fee or whatever, that I would be perfectly fine with.

[Demon6324236]

When i say "all" I don't mean it literally, only the people that matter.I guess people only matter when they agree with you?

[Kriegsgott]

Why not just merge all remaining servers into one?

very bad idea no thanks!

[Karah]

On the other hand, if you were to say free server changes for everyone so that if we want to we can move over to another server in order to try finding more people to play with, without the 25 dollar fee or whatever, that I would be perfectly fine with.

That's what I'm talking about, just removal of the fee, and maybe *one* english only server and *one* japanese only server.

You can't with a straight face tell me you aren't sick of the "jp only" mentality.


I guess people only matter when they agree with you?

Not even close, most of the people I play with DON'T matter. You only matter if you have "this" and "that". If you're a noob with 1 99 and no E/M/R I couldn't possibly care less what your opinion is, and you "don't matter". Like this guy http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Slaxx (presumably).

[Demon6324236]

Oh so for your opinion to matter you must have certain things, got ya, and still disagree with that mentality.

So far as having any English or JP only servers, no, I am annoyed by people who are like that, but I am sure they are equally annoyed by the fact they are forcibly surrounded by English players. Since I think they are shitty human beings who do not deserve the comfort of their own server, they should stay around me, their shitty attitude doesn't really effect me unless they enforce it, which most cant even if they want to, but I am sure that just by being there, I annoy them, and that gives me a sense of happiness, knowing that just because I'm there, I am ruining an assholes day somewhere, somehow.

[FrankReynolds]

I don't really see how this would hurt anyone. If it were voluntary, people who don't play during xyz time would just not move to a server where everyone plays during xyz time.

[Trisscar]

very bad idea no thanks!

Any particular reason you say that?

[Anjou]

Because Triss, merging literally every single server together creates an overcrowd (Shocking but true) people will be complaining that their nm's are being overcamped, people will rage quit because no can get anything done due to this congestion. If you say maybe merge them into 3-4 servers then that I can see, but you'll still have people butthurt over 'omg I've been on this server forevers, I can't stomach the thought of moving' so how are you going to survive when XI is gone completely? Be thankful we can still play this game.

Personally I'm against the idea of a huge server movement, too many people would stay rooted on their home turf and the people who do move go into ghost towns, and eventually quit.

[svengalis]

linkshells are at fault to. i found this out greatly when i played wow. some people only play with their linkshells and noone else. you guys are separating yourselves from the rest of the community so the players are at fault to.

[Slaxx]

Hilarious. That link shows my last 10 AH transactions. Yep, must be a noob since I never registered an account on FFXIAH. Couldn't possibly have leveled more than one job to 99. Couldn't just be selling the random crap from the Mog Garden because I've not played much the last month or so. That link literally shows nothing whatsoever about my character at all, you're making a lot of assumptions based on nothing.

By the way - I don't really give a shit, both of our opinions on this subject are irrelevant. I see the likelihood of your proposal going anywhere as pretty much nil, that doesn't change the fact that I think it's a terrible idea.

[Xantavia]

They only thing I see this doing is certain people abusing the AH across servers, spending all day playing the market and world hopping to make a buck.

[FrankReynolds]

They only thing I see this doing is certain people abusing the AH across servers, spending all day playing the market and world hopping to make a buck.

As they should... As they should. I don't really see how that's a problem.

[Anjou]

tbh if they are spamming 25 dollars (Or the other currency equivalents) on server hopping, what's the problem? Unethical? Sorry but it's legit since it's not tampering, in fact it's just trading between servers. Ever heard of importing and exporting? This would fall under something like that, and it's a common practice used by companies to make better money selling their products overseas for more price than the materials they bought in the first country to make said product.

Keep the fee to change servers, get rid of the 90 day wait.

[FrankReynolds]

It probably wouldn't take very long for prices to just even out across all servers if people really started doing that very much anyways.

[Karah]

They only thing I see this doing is certain people abusing the AH across servers, spending all day playing the market and world hopping to make a buck.

I'm sorry but anyone who gives a fiddler's f*ck about gil is a total moron.

Straight up and down like six o'clock.

There hasn't been any reason to spend gil on anything but food in over a year.

Solo reive get simulcrum, do skirmish get your own stones, stop paying mercs for shit you don't deserve gimps.

[Anjou]

I'm sorry but anyone who gives a fiddler's f*ck about gil is a total moron.

Straight up and down like six o'clock.

There hasn't been any reason to spend gil on anything but food in over a year.

Solo reive get simulcrum, do skirmish get your own stones, stop paying mercs for shit you don't deserve gimps.

And yet you wonder why people don't take you seriously? At least when people tell me when I go too far I go apologize to them personally (Daemon and a few others can attest to this) -YOU- on the other hand are just a nasty individual who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to insult somebody at the drop of a hat. You're a narcissistic person, and like beating a dead horse I will repeat this: The things you say, your forum signature, and your attitude makes you pass off as -arrogant- and if you think you have a right to be arrogant at an online video game, fight another battle because life is way too short to be waving your E-Penis in front of the forum.

[Anjou]

And to cut you off on w/e retort you are preparing for me, know this: You are not a very liked individual on these forums Karah because of your aforementioned attitude, insulting me back will only prove my point further if you focus it solely on game experience. You're not insulting the ingame character, you're insulting the person sitting behind the computer screen on things that may or may not be true.

I know I'm probably going to be looked at as a psychopath, but if anyone tells me they want me to stop, by all means say so now, I'll stop posting in the thread.

Meanwhile, you'll only prove my point Karah if you keep with this attitude, and to be quite frank, judging by the posts you've received in this thread alone, I would recommend (highly) to not insult people anymore, because if you were in arms length, about 7/10 people would lynch you because of it.

(I'm not making anything to a threatening degree, I'm just merely stating that this user's foul-typing and attitude could insinuate this if all of us were in the same room)

TLDR version: We don't like your kind here anymore Karah, check it or beat it.

[Karah]

I really don't directly insult anyone. And if I do, too bad.

More than welcome to even attempt to lynch me, *internet toughguy mode* "Do you even lift" etc.

Point isn't to get off-topic, point is, the servers are waaaaaaaaaaaaay underpopulated, and simple mergers aren't good enough.

[Anjou]

That's the only option they have, do you think -a lot- (not all) of people are going to willingly jump ship? They'll have too much sentimental attachment to their server, and wih SE doing it themselves, the pain of leaving a server isn't as bad due to it.

Also I do lift, 100 pounds, get on my level >:P

[Slaxx]

I'm pretty sure this is the same Karah that got banned from the BG forums for using racial slurs (and then doubled down saying they weren't actually slurs). So yeah, as far as I'm concerned anything coming from them is just background noise.

[Soraishin]

i play on bahamut, i've noticed for a while now the server population declined drastically after FF14 release date. This past weekend there was never more than 2000 people on the server at any given time. Personally I think a server merger is needed. As for racists japs , etc , i've never noticed that problem on bahamut, i have no problem getting in parties with them or vice versa inviting them to mine for anything from assault to new skirmish content. I am however aware that the japs not inviting NA players is a real issue just not so much on bahamut, if they're not inviting you on bahamut its prolly for a good reason and you should be reevaluating your character and jobs for the content you're trying to get in to. Thats just my take on it.

[Catmato]

This past weekend there was never more than 2000 people on the server at any given time.

I don't remember the last time I saw over 1000 people on Leviathan.

[Karah]

I mean, obviously I'm racist. I keep no secrets about it. However on BG I wasn't even beginning to be racists, that wasn't even the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

But really, if it was free to change servers, you (anyone) really wouldn't? Honestly? You wouldn't move to meet new people (it's an mmo the point is to play with multiple people hurdur comment that everyone always spouts).

You wouldn't change to an EU heavy server for a week if your shift at work changed?
You wouldn't change servers where there are people giving away delve clears?

Are you mentally unstable? Are you foolish?

I would change in the blink of an eye if it didn't cost money, to a server where shout groups can actually accomplish things, it would be a godsend.

I couldn't careless what the server is called, I don't have a retard's nostalgia, even though it's a good bet I've been on the same server longer than almost every single person posting on this forum.

[Demon6324236]

Karah, I assume you have no friends, which is why I am sure you would just server hop all the time, I have a ton of friends on Phoenix, have no wish to change servers be it free and unlimited or not, I would stay where I am, why? Because the only reason I play this game is for the people I play it with, without them I would quit this shit in a heartbeat, and if they chose to leave when I didn't, I would leave the game, not the server, because my reason for staying would be gone.

[Hexadecimal]

You can't with a straight face tell me you aren't sick of the "jp only" mentality.

I can indeed tell you that I'm not sick of it, because in 10 years playing this game, I think I've encountered it once or twice. Some of my longest standing friendships in this game are with Japanese players. I won't presume to tell you what players are thinking when they elect to not play with players from other language groups in the game, but I will tell you, the problem might not be with them.

[Karah]

You guys really bore me.

You think about things, that I make abundantly clear, and you mention them like they're some big secret... makes me giggle.

But, ok, I'll be the only one that wishes they could change servers at will, it's not like it would ever happen anyway, just a thought~

Enjoy the forthcoming merges and subsequent dropping populations.

[Anjou]

You guys really bore me.

You think about things, that I make abundantly clear, and you mention them like they're some big secret... makes me giggle.

But, ok, I'll be the only one that wishes they could change servers at will, it's not like it would ever happen anyway, just a thought~

Enjoy the forthcoming merges and subsequent dropping populations.

We can change servers at will Karah, it just takes money, which shouldn't change because the pricetag makes you consider 'is it really worth moving?'

Please stop posting, this thread has degenerated into nothing more than 'take turns punching Karah' thread.

/endthread

[Kriegsgott]

Any particular reason you say that?

the reason why problems exist is because people like to make problems lots of people means a lot problems on one server too i'm enjoying doing my stuff if i want and where i want it i didn ever got my stuff so quickly done like today

[Lefein]

This may not have happened on other worlds but in 2007 or so Odin was at over 5,000 players in the normal hours. Growing to over 6,000 at peak times of the day. There were constant server messages asking people to leave Whitegate due to over crowding. Every NM Merit camp PT area Mission area .. you name it was full to bursting. Free transfers were required (the server was also completely LOCKED for 2 years almost) .. over population is a very bad thing. I doubt they'll risk it happening. Though I don't think mergers will happen soon either. I've played a long time, I've never seen us as a community as ignored as we are now. On the surface it seems like we're all in open communication, but the more I read the dev posts the more it seems like smoke and mirrors. A lot of "Here are the answers to the questions and concerns you've put to us!" Who put these concerns to you? As players we've all got concerns, but what does my r/m/e matter if I'm the only person left? I sometimes think there must be some utopian server out there where everyone speaks every language the population is a balanced and even mix of leveling people + end game LS's the AH is nice and healthy and the population is never over 3,000 and never under 2,500. It's these players who are concerned solely about r/m/e gear and the like. Most of us not invited to FFXItopia worry more about when our friends are going to get fed up and quit and leave us by ourselves staring at 10 years worth of old mission rewards gathering dust on the walls of our empty lonely moghouses.

[Karah]

This may not have happened on other worlds but in 2007 or so Odin was at over 5,000 players in the normal hours. Growing to over 6,000 at peak times of the day. There were constant server messages asking people to leave Whitegate due to over crowding. Every NM Merit camp PT area Mission area .. you name it was full to bursting. Free transfers were required (the server was also completely LOCKED for 2 years almost) .. over population is a very bad thing. I doubt they'll risk it happening. Though I don't think mergers will happen soon either. I've played a long time, I've never seen us as a community as ignored as we are now. On the surface it seems like we're all in open communication, but the more I read the dev posts the more it seems like smoke and mirrors. A lot of "Here are the answers to the questions and concerns you've put to us!" Who put these concerns to you? As players we've all got concerns, but what does my r/m/e matter if I'm the only person left? I sometimes think there must be some utopian server out there where everyone speaks every language the population is a balanced and even mix of leveling people + end game LS's the AH is nice and healthy and the population is never over 3,000 and never under 2,500. It's these players who are concerned solely about r/m/e gear and the like. Most of us not invited to FFXItopia worry more about when our friends are going to get fed up and quit and leave us by ourselves staring at 10 years worth of old mission rewards gathering dust on the walls of our empty lonely moghouses.

Excellent post.

[Kriegsgott]

This may not have happened on other worlds but in 2007 or so Odin was at over 5,000 players in the normal hours. Growing to over 6,000 at peak times of the day. There were constant server messages asking people to leave Whitegate due to over crowding. Every NM Merit camp PT area Mission area .. you name it was full to bursting. Free transfers were required (the server was also completely LOCKED for 2 years almost) .. over population is a very bad thing. I doubt they'll risk it happening. Though I don't think mergers will happen soon either. I've played a long time, I've never seen us as a community as ignored as we are now. On the surface it seems like we're all in open communication, but the more I read the dev posts the more it seems like smoke and mirrors. A lot of "Here are the answers to the questions and concerns you've put to us!" Who put these concerns to you? As players we've all got concerns, but what does my r/m/e matter if I'm the only person left? I sometimes think there must be some utopian server out there where everyone speaks every language the population is a balanced and even mix of leveling people + end game LS's the AH is nice and healthy and the population is never over 3,000 and never under 2,500. It's these players who are concerned solely about r/m/e gear and the like. Most of us not invited to FFXItopia worry more about when our friends are going to get fed up and quit and leave us by ourselves staring at 10 years worth of old mission rewards gathering dust on the walls of our empty lonely moghouses.

i couldn have it explained better awesome /cheer

[Daemon]

I think its harder at this point to please players. Back in the beginning, everything in content was already made before opening the servers. Then new people from all over the world started playing and DEVs at that point had less obstacles, more time answering people, and knowledge of how to handle situations.

11 years is a long time. The more things added to the game, the more conflicts and issues happen. Its like the majority of players are at level 1-30 and barely anyone at level 75 yet.

They knew how to answer players up til 75.

Now its like the majority is level 99 bored, unsatisfied, quick to lose interest in doing things because at 99 we all have the power to speed through content compared to back in the day when we were limited in power.

The difference also is that I see events further add the ability to play with more people than limit the events to just 6, 18 man groups.

Possibly to keep everyone included. To give everyone a chance to be part of event and to allow the majority of the community to stay together than fall apart.

There are too many trade offs in this that people don't understand.

If you limit the party to 18 people, item drop rate is more obvious. Might take 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year or more.

Difference?

We can see who gets a rare item and call it a day thinking well atleast someone got a rare.

The more people added on to the equation, the less knowledge we have about who got a rare.

Therefore everyone playing event like WR assumed just because they didnt get anything, everyone else is suffering the same experience.

Point is, conditions get more complicated now at this point because DEVs are playing cat and mouse trying to catch up to us every update.

They don't have the answer for us now but figure out the answers as we go along.

Which is why I think its harder for the community reps and DEVs to respond because instead of having the answer already, they can only answer us at the moment.

[Daemon]

Upgrading REM now might solve the problem today but eventually it will be outdated again if more content is added. That's why it's hard to make changes.

Adjust it, analyze it, readjust it. Move on. Then you have people complaining from all sides all over again.

Unless they never add more new content then items will last longer. But we playing a game that constantly adds new levels of a ladder. Until a point comes where the ladder will no longer go higher.

I see the DEV TEAM struggling as if a person is living paycheck after paycheck. They can only solve problems at the moment but can't easily solve problems long term especially when conditions are constantly changing.

Even worse when conditions change fast. Or on a massive scale like the aftermath of FFXIV release.

As for the topic in question. Imagine if you move the Knicks over to another city and combine them with another team?

Moving a handful of players is one thing. Moving an entire server or combining all servers is another.

[Lefein]

This may not have happened on other worlds but in 2007 or so Odin was at over 5,000 players in the normal hours. Growing to over 6,000 at peak times of the day. There were constant server messages asking people to leave Whitegate due to over crowding. Every NM Merit camp PT area Mission area .. you name it was full to bursting. Free transfers were required (the server was also completely LOCKED for 2 years almost) .. over population is a very bad thing. I doubt they'll risk it happening. Though I don't think mergers will happen soon either. I've played a long time, I've never seen us as a community as ignored as we are now. On the surface it seems like we're all in open communication, but the more I read the dev posts the more it seems like smoke and mirrors. A lot of "Here are the answers to the questions and concerns you've put to us!" Who put these concerns to you? As players we've all got concerns, but what does my r/m/e matter if I'm the only person left? I sometimes think there must be some utopian server out there where everyone speaks every language the population is a balanced and even mix of leveling people + end game LS's the AH is nice and healthy and the population is never over 3,000 and never under 2,500. It's these players who are concerned solely about r/m/e gear and the like. Most of us not invited to FFXItopia worry more about when our friends are going to get fed up and quit and leave us by ourselves staring at 10 years worth of old mission rewards gathering dust on the walls of our empty lonely moghouses.



i couldn have it explained better awesome /cheer



Excellent post.

/bow Thank you thank you ( ^ - ~; )