Can we haz a merge

[AJ666]

Asura is feeling seriously deserted lately on average only 1k people, how about other servers?

You know Asura is the place to be best server ever! :D:D

[lllen]

Yeah, my server at times has 600-700 people up to 1400, you know a lot of them are mules and people afk.

[Kristal]

Heh.. FFXIV was released earlier this week... and they had to close all the NA/EU servers due to overcrowding after a day...

[nyheen]

school time & FFXIV came out around the same time. it will be back to normal soon

[Elvyn]

school time & FFXIV came out around the same time. it will be back to normal soon

Wish I had your optimism! lol

Cerb has failed to reach 1.5k since I came back from a break two weeks ago. Today was the lowest I have ever seen the game in the 8 years iv been playing (600 players) and that's not taking into account the mules,bots, elite statues etc...

I hate to think there's a chance Cerb might be closed down and its population moved after we were lucky enough to survive the last round with Hade's added to us. However its to the point now that unless your in a stable endgame(ish) ls there's no point in trying to gain good gear etc...

[OmnysValefor]

I'm jealous of anything consistently over 1000.

[Tickmeoff]

Valefor is pretty dead, I don't check it every day but it's pretty normal to see ~600 people in the afternoon.

I'm sure the server populations are so low now that they could be consolidated into 2-4 servers total.

[Meyi]

No thanks... I like my name and don't want to lose it. u-u; And over half of the servers have a Meyi on them already.

[Tohihroyu]

Think they'd shut down low populated servers and merge low populated ones together so XIV has more space?

[Sapphires]

under 600 on valefor yeah, we can't even fill delve bossrun shouts with appropriate jobs or spend hours shouting.
They will probably have to merge or people will just unsubscribe out of lack of anything to do because SoA gear made all old content pointless.

[Xerius]

Give it a month or so. People will leave XIV after they're first free 30 days are up. I don't mean everyone but the game just doesn't have enough to it yet to hold a very large population.

[Mefuki]

1764 on Fenrir right now. Seems fine to me.

[Spectreman]

1300+ on Asura right now, weekday work/school time still. Seems perfectly fine.

[Taint2]

Its been 600-650 on Cerberus during NA time the last week. I bet 400+ are AFK or mules. My LS alone has 20 some mules online.

[detlef]

under 600 on valefor yeah, we can't even fill delve bossrun shouts with appropriate jobs or spend hours shouting.
They will probably have to merge or people will just unsubscribe out of lack of anything to do because SoA gear made all old content pointless.Yeah, even during JP time, Valefor gets pretty empty. It's no wonder that it took our NA linkshells so long to win at Delve, what with the depleted player pool.

[FrankReynolds]

Its been 600-650 on Cerberus during NA time the last week. I bet 400+ are AFK or mules. My LS alone has 20 some mules online.

I can attest to that. I've been on a few times recently where its less than 750 and most of them are in town.

[svengalis]

20+ mules LOL I wander how many people actually play this game.

[Minikom]

700ish during week days on Quetz up to 1200 or 1300 on weekeneds

[Daemon]

Yeah FFXIV servers are so packed, its almost impossible to even login. Me and a friend had to make characters on other servers together just to play.

The game itself is different. I'm sure people who love FFXI will come back. Especially those who have played so long and accomplished many things in 11.

The way I see FFXIV? It's too easy. Too fast pace. Instant gratification and omg annoying Gilsellers spamming yell in game non stop. Through YELL!!! Not even private PM!!

I don't see myself playing FFXIV and possibly come right back to 11 for the fact that its easier to process looking at the screen and doing what you want.

14 is just too much visuals that it makes it hard to do stuff. Maybe I feel this way because I'm use to playing 11 on PC and then trying to play 14 on the PS3. I'm not thrilled over 14 as much as I thought I'd be.

So yeah after a month when free subscription runs out, I'm sure FF11 fans will come back after realizing the game is totally different than 11.

Personally I don't like easy games. I like games that actually take time to gain power, earn items, do stuff with people without wasting so much time trying to see and comprehend what's going on through the screen.

Too much visuals, menus, ugggh. I like 11 for the simplicity of the visuals.

[Daemon]

Btw I probably wasted several hours trying to understand simple controls. It's not easy playing off PS3 controller. Games too complicated. Can't even select a person easy and can't select a monster without running up close to it. Oh yeah if 2 monsters are in the way?? You have to move over and hope you can select it..

So simplicity in visuals and simplicity in FFXI controls is why I would come back to 11.

And you can actually login and play!! Without hoping you won't get the instant sorry server is full try again later screen.

Lol I made a character on Balmung, couldn't login so I erased it and tried to make a new character and now I get a message saying I can't even create one because the maximim character creation for that world has reached its limit...

Then if you are lucky, just maybe you'll get in a "77 people are in queue waiting to login" and can afk until the server loads you in...

So yeah FFXI FTW...

[Daemon]

Seems like you have to be level 30+ in game to use the forums. And you need to be high level to even use the auction house. But still doesn't prevent people from selling Gil lol..

So yeah those are also turn offs in 14. And I didn't even have to read the quest and figure anything out other than glance at where I have to go and who I have to talk to. They put the locations on the map and show you where to Go lol...That's how easy quests are.

Which I think defeats the purpose of playing a real RPG. Too easy sucks.

Point is hardcore gamers who are accustomed to FFXI might come back to this game.

FFXIV to me just looks too eye candy.

[Riggs]

It would prove hard to do a merge as i bet if you logged in during JP prime time the numbers would be 2k plus at least they are on my sever

[FrankReynolds]

It would prove hard to do a merge as i bet if you logged in during JP prime time the numbers would be 2k plus at least they are on my sever

I stay logged in 24/7. I work at a computer. It's never over 1,500 on Cerberus. It's usually a lot less.

[Spellcaster]

It have been like this for a while now. Not just because ff14, Lakshmi barely reaches 800+ players online for almost a year. Half of that number are afks/mules. the only days that have 1k+ is on weekends

[Mirage]

Think they'd shut down low populated servers and merge low populated ones together so XIV has more space?

Do you think they use the same server hardware for FF11 and FF14? Do you think each FF11 world is on a single server dedicated for only that world?

[Edyth]

Original post deserves 100+ likes.

[FrankReynolds]

Do you think they use the same server hardware for FF11 and FF14? Do you think each FF11 world is on a single server dedicated for only that world?

If they were smart, all this crap would be running on hundreds of Virtual machines at some giant data center that provides physical and network security, redundant power company connections, Generators, connections to multiple top tier fiber providers, fire / flood alarms systems and off site redundancy.

Knowing SE though, it's probably on some old Dell tower servers in a basement somewhere.

[Rekin]

Seems like you have to be level 30+ in game to use the forums. And you need to be high level to even use the auction house. But still doesn't prevent people from selling Gil lol..

So yeah those are also turn offs in 14. And I didn't even have to read the quest and figure anything out other than glance at where I have to go and who I have to talk to. They put the locations on the map and show you where to Go lol...That's how easy quests are.

Which I think defeats the purpose of playing a real RPG. Too easy sucks.

Point is hardcore gamers who are accustomed to FFXI might come back to this game.

FFXIV to me just looks too eye candy.
Stop spreading false information.
To use the forums you simply have to be registered on the lodestone. To use the auction house you only need to finish the 2nd tutorial main story mission where you are told how it functions along with how to use npc vendors.

Even if you can find the npc the real part of the quest is completing their request instead of fruitlessly running around for hours, their requests can involve killing x creatures to searching for well hidden objects.

The game is purposely easy in the beginning to allow leeway for players to get used to the game's systems; from how quests work, to dodging AoEs, to understanding the various mechanics of their jobs and using tools such as medicines to survive. Such quest is the level 15 main story battle in which not using an antidote to cure the poison makes it extremely easy for most players to lose.

End game there is various challenges that are by no means easy but are fun, rewarding and challenging but most of all fair whilst all abiding by the rules established early in the game.

[Rekin]

If they were smart, all this crap would be running on hundreds of Virtual machines at some giant data center that provides physical and network security, redundant power company connections, Generators, connections to multiple top tier fiber providers, fire / flood alarms systems and off site redundancy.

Knowing SE though, it's probably on some old Dell tower servers in a basement somewhere.

Actually in a dev post over at FFXIV news page the head producer explained that they are indeed using computers as their servers. So yeah you were right on target.

[Afania]

school time & FFXIV came out around the same time. it will be back to normal soon

It'd at least recover a bit if fall update:

1. Fix REM properly.

2. Introduce next tier of delve boss that offers 10 times more challenge than current delve boss content.

3. Bring back sense of accomplishment for everything you'd do in this game, and keep players motivated, want to stick around, with their close friends and LS.

If they continue to give players crap boring easy content like skirmish2 that has nothing to do with epicness nor excitment, and REM stays dead, I'm done with this game, and I expect a lot of other players disappointed with current game direction would quit too.

[FrankReynolds]

548 people on Cerberus right now... 4:00pm PST

[Tickmeoff]

594 online on Valefor at this moment. Been crafting all day because there has not been a single shout for any relevant content the entire day.

[Siviard]

1250 on Shiva at 10:30am CST (12:30am JST) so JP Prime Time is just winding down.

[Jepenepe]

To all the idiots out there that say it will be too many people during JP prime. When I started playing in 2004, there were consistently 3k people on sometimes 3500 or more. So the servers can definitely handle the load.

In all honesty, if there isn't a merge announced soon I will probably be done with the game all together. I have taken various breaks over the years but I always came back. This time, if I leave it's the end, because chances are if I ever do decide to come back, the game will have been shut down by then.

Abyssea has killed the game, it has created nothing but unskilled tards who have no idea how to play their jobs properly.

[FrankReynolds]

Abyssea has killed the game, it has created nothing but unskilled tards who have no idea how to play their jobs properly.

That explains you.

[Siviard]

Shiva: 653 as of 2pm CST (8pm GMT) Euro Prime Time.....yeah....

[lllen]

Well we are at 735 around 2pm Est. This is getting rediculous, we couldn't make skirmish without the support of my LS, see shouts for Plasym farming...takes forever. WKR's hours to get a group to go in, its not lack of interest its just lack of people.

[Demon6324236]

950 on Phoenix right now. Not as bad as others, but lower than normal, used to see 1.3~1.4 or so at this time of day.

[Spectreman]

If Asura merges with another server i hope it doesnt merge with remorans that merged with another server.

[Anjou]

If Asura merges with another server i hope it doesnt merge with remorans that merged with another server.

Nice way to treat your fellow players Spectreman, that's the reason this game is dying.

Remora merged into leviathan, which has a much better reputation for being player-friendly then Assura.

[Demon6324236]

I assume it might be because Asura is at the top, anyone impatient or who just doesn't give a crap, probably just picks it, not that everyone there is like that, but I assume most people who are like that, pick it, I would have after all if it weren't for my friend who got me started on FFXI being on Phoenix.

[Daemon]

Stop spreading false information.
To use the forums you simply have to be registered on the lodestone. To use the auction house you only need to finish the 2nd tutorial main story mission where you are told how it functions along with how to use npc vendors.

Even if you can find the npc the real part of the quest is completing their request instead of fruitlessly running around for hours, their requests can involve killing x creatures to searching for well hidden objects.

The game is purposely easy in the beginning to allow leeway for players to get used to the game's systems; from how quests work, to dodging AoEs, to understanding the various mechanics of their jobs and using tools such as medicines to survive. Such quest is the level 15 main story battle in which not using an antidote to cure the poison makes it extremely easy for most players to lose.

End game there is various challenges that are by no means easy but are fun, rewarding and challenging but most of all fair whilst all abiding by the rules established early in the game.

Learn to read correctly. If I said:


Seems like you have to be level 30+ in game to use the forums.

Obviously it means I wasn't sure. If you need me to post why I assumed you had to be 30+,

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63381-Forum-Design-and-Features-Update-%28Aug.-22%29?p=1015217#post1015217


Thread Creation Forum Posts
Level 1-14 Unable to create new threads Unable to make a post
Level 15-24 Can post up to three posts per day
Level 25-39 Can create one thread per day Can post up to five posts per day
Level 40-49 Can create up to three threads per day Can post up to 10 posts per day
Level 50 Can create up to five threads per day Can post up to 20 posts per day


Is why..

[Rekin]

Learn to read correctly. If I said:



Obviously it means I wasn't sure. If you need me to post why I assumed you had to be 30+,

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63381-Forum-Design-and-Features-Update-%28Aug.-22%29?p=1015217#post1015217


Thread Creation Forum Posts
Level 1-14 Unable to create new threads Unable to make a post
Level 15-24 Can post up to three posts per day
Level 25-39 Can create one thread per day Can post up to five posts per day
Level 40-49 Can create up to three threads per day Can post up to 10 posts per day
Level 50 Can create up to five threads per day Can post up to 20 posts per day


Is why..

Well done addressing one thing I called you out on,(p.s. use better wording, when one reads "you have to be level 30+ in game to use the forums." they might think you can't even access it) now address the other things I've mentioned.

[Daemon]

Well done addressing one thing I called you out on,(p.s. use better wording, when one reads "you have to be level 30+ in game to use the forums." they might think you can't even access it) now address the other things I've mentioned.

Uhg, if I were going to say you can't access it, then I'm sure I would have made it clear. "Use" the forums is exactly what it means. Can't post, can't create a thread, and can't reply to anyone's comments.

"Accessing" forums and "Using" the forums are 2 different things.

It doesn't make sense if I'm commenting things I read from FFXIV forums if I can't access them.

Gee no wonder there's barely any people left..

Why do you feel the need to call people out on things is what I'm wondering. This isn't a war over who is right and who is wrong.

You could have just said there is another way around it.

It's as if people come to the forums to prove their word is right over someone else's only to bash them for more "likes."

More comments for the community reps and translators to weed out and ignore and then others wonder why they take so long to respond to feedback.

As for the Topic in question yeah servers are slow. FFXIV like many other new games that hit the market and are new tend to draw players from every game.

It's not only FFXI that is suffering. I work at a cybercafe part time during the day repairing, configuring computers, networks. Even WoW severs were slow.

FFXIV has too much hype right now but eventually after the first month FREE sub runs around, some might stay, quit, come back to FFXI etc.

Its just right now School starting, FFXIV is the hot game at the moment that happen to be in the spotlight because how long WoW, FFXI, and most other MMORPGs have been out?

If a server merge happens, I would imagine it would happen later after the hype of 14 dies down.

[Spectreman]

Nice way to treat your fellow players Spectreman, that's the reason this game is dying.

Remora merged into leviathan, which has a much better reputation for being player-friendly then Assura.


Oh Remora had the worst players ever. Poor people from Bismark. Honestly... it was the official Brazilian server.

[Komori]

What are you talking about poor people from Bismarck? First 1) We merged with Seraph. 2) It's not like things are bad on this server, we're definitely not as bad off as others in this topic.

[Daemon]

What are you talking about poor people from Bismarck? First 1) We merged with Seraph. 2) It's not like things are bad on this server, we're definitely not as bad off as others in this topic.

Phoenix merged with Titan. Then we had idiots spamming yell 24/7 claiming our server sux, Titan FTW, Titan Pwn All blah blah.

Literally we all felt so many immature people got merged with us. Then too many self gain, selfish people destroyed our server.

You know the ones that get their items and leave? Never help anyone? Use people for their pops to get what they need?

Before the merge people were kind, helpful, patient, considerate. Mature.

Every server is different. Once an attitude starts it tends to ward off people who don't like it, and those that fit the same interest stay with those groups which makes it the way it is.

Sort of like Brooklyn accent, Country accident, America accent gets evened out.

Except in this case it deals with attitudes.

So its not that any server is bad. Of course there are bad players on every server. But it's impossible to single out 1 server and say that everyone is bad.

But id think about it before wanting a server merge as a last resort. It might sound like a good idea that could turn for the worse.

[Calatilla]

We had that when Pandy merged with Asura, for the first week or so all you got were shouts about how Pandy is better than Asura, with replies of, so that's why they shut you down and not us, back and fourth lol.

I can see a merge in the near future, numbers are similar to back when they did the first lot, but I don't really want one.

[Daemon]

that's why they shut you down and not us, back and fourth lol.

Lol... That's why I use to say "Yer on our server now deal with it."

[Jepenepe]

That explains you.

seeing as you aren't even on my server you have no frame of reference here jackass. I've been playing since 04 and I know how to play each of my 99 jobs, because most of them I leveled to 75 the real way back in the day when skilled players played. Now everywhere you go you just run into undergeared idiots that don't even know what half of their job abilities even do or how to use them.

[Daemon]

seeing as you aren't even on my server you have no frame of reference here jackass. I've been playing since 04 and I know how to play each of my 99 jobs, because most of them I leveled to 75 the real way back in the day when skilled players played. Now everywhere you go you just run into undergeared idiots that don't even know what half of their job abilities even do or how to use them.

People have it backwards here. They think old school players dunno what skill is because experience doesn't matter and because the game is "different" today than it use to be.

You can have 11 years of experience and everyone will dawg you for taking a month off and tell you off as if you need a phd to know what your talking about.

It's funny because I know exactly what you are talking about. Back in the day when we had to actually learn how to use all skills and had hours in exp parties to work as a team and listen to each other.

We never had to group 18 people to kill a level 15 skeleton and we actually had to farm Gil and choose wisely what gear to buy because it took so long to earn it.

And even if you spent over 8 hours a day practicing solo macros swapping, reflex, spell casting, kiting, dodging, and all other things on a level 80 boss. You are considered here as inadequate and under skilled and experience and practice has no meaning.

[Thorbean]

Well done addressing one thing I called you out on,(p.s. use better wording, when one reads "you have to be level 30+ in game to use the forums." they might think you can't even access it) now address the other things I've mentioned.

Best thing you can do is:
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/veitchy1986/Capture_zpsbf83794f.jpg

I no longer risk losing IQ points trying to find an actual point in his posts other than "Pay attention to me." Any thread page he is a part of, no longer looks like a 300 page novel with 99% descriptive text and I no longer feel like I'm reading his personal biography when I decide to browse a topic.

The only problem is, if someone quotes him, I have 30 seconds of unbridled fury welling up inside of me when I accidentally read his nonsensical, uneducated, under-researched garbage. The number of dead kittens scattered outside my house is getting into the hundreds due to this. There's no point asking him to address something you wrote, because he didn't even bother reading what you posted. He skimmed it until he disagreed with you, then went on a rant. The most you can expect is 10 paragraphs on his personal life.

[Daemon]

Best thing you can do is:
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu271/veitchy1986/Capture_zpsbf83794f.jpg

I no longer risk losing IQ points trying to find an actual point in his posts other than "Pay attention to me." Any thread page he is a part of, no longer looks like a 300 page novel with 99% descriptive text and I no longer feel like I'm reading his personal biography when I decide to browse a topic.

The only problem is, if someone quotes him, I have 30 seconds of unbridled fury welling up inside of me when I accidentally read his nonsensical, uneducated, under-researched garbage. The number of dead kittens scattered outside my house is getting into the hundreds due to this. There's no point asking him to address something you wrote, because he didn't even bother reading what you posted. He skimmed it until he disagreed with you, then went on a rant. The most you can expect is 10 paragraphs on his personal life.

And this is the kind of people we have in our community. Sorry but I don't need to bring myself to your level.

Which is quite low.

[Demon6324236]

seeing as you aren't even on my server you have no frame of reference here jackass. I've been playing since 04 and I know how to play each of my 99 jobs, because most of them I leveled to 75 the real way back in the day when skilled players played. Now everywhere you go you just run into undergeared idiots that don't even know what half of their job abilities even do or how to use them.Yay, you played a long time, and you leveled up your jobs in a slow, boring, and repetitive way, I forgot how that made you better at the game or how it gives you the right to talk down to others. I have only played for 4 or so years and yet I am better than quite a few people I know who played since the beginning & CoP days, I leveled more than half my jobs in Abyssea but thanks to the fact I'm not stupid, I could learn how to play them after leveling them & understand things just the same when having access to everything the job is capable of.

How about instead of making the blanket statement of idiocy that Abyssea somehow ruined the game by making people level faster, you try to actually assist those people who you think are 'unskilled tards' and make them better players? Oh no, wait, no one actually does that, instead they try to claim everyone sucks because of an add-on in the game rather than admitting the fact that the players of the game cant be bothered to actually help one another improve anymore.

[Daemon]

Yay, you played a long time, and you leveled up your jobs in a slow, boring, and repetitive way, I forgot how that made you better at the game or how it gives you the right to talk down to others. I have only played for 4 or so years and yet I am better than quite a few people I know who played since the beginning & CoP days, I leveled more than half my jobs in Abyssea but thanks to the fact I'm not stupid, I could learn how to play them after leveling them & understand things just the same when having access to everything the job is capable of.

How about instead of making the blanket statement of idiocy that Abyssea somehow ruined the game by making people level faster, you try to actually assist those people who you think are 'unskilled tards' and make them better players? Oh no, wait, no one actually does that, instead they try to claim everyone sucks because of an add-on in the game rather than admitting the fact that the players of the game cant be bothered to actually help one another improve anymore.

Yeah but DJ this is the problem with people here on the forums. His statement doesn't necessarily mean everyone sucks. It just means he sees more people these days lazy like (FC to 99 and clueless)

Which is why people argue and put me down all the time. They take my words or cut out pieces of a comment to criticize me for a part of a sentence that changes the entire context to their liking. Which is why I had to defend myself too many times.

It's like if I say: "I assumed you have to be 99."

And then they turn around and say you are spreading false information by saying "You have to be 99"

Then people generalize a comment and assume you are talking about everyone which leads to these back and forth war of words that turn into pointless 100 page debates.

And still to the very end they think you are the bad guy. Well yeah after people jump in halfway and don't actually read the previous comments. Building up others to hate you after your words were taken out of context.

Just because people only want to look at the glass from their angle instead of realizing others look at it from a different angle than you.

[Demon6324236]

I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly. Don't want to come off as an ass and be treated like an ass, then start out better, simple as that. He started an ass, so I will treat him as though he is an ass until shown otherwise.

As for you, I'm done arguing with you, you argue with everyone here, nearly no one agrees with you except Umichi so far as I have noticed which is one of the people I almost always disagree with in terms of what should be done because he often acts as though SE is infallible. In all honesty your getting to that point too, except you don't act like they can do nothing wrong, you act like they do things wrong and deserve an eternity to fix it all, which isn't much better.

[Daemon]

I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly. Don't want to come off as an ass and be treated like an ass, then start out better, simple as that. He started an ass, so I will treat him as though he is an ass until shown otherwise.

As for you, I'm done arguing with you, you argue with everyone here, nearly no one agrees with you except Umichi so far as I have noticed which is one of the people I almost always disagree with in terms of what should be done because he often acts as though SE is infallible. In all honesty your getting to that point too, except you don't act like they can do nothing wrong, you act like they do things wrong and deserve an eternity to fix it all, which isn't much better.

People will always judge others regardless. Except the way I see it, I've been defending myself the entire time only to have more people jump on hate with the rest of the people judging.

Which is the same as bullying. Seriously? Read my comments. People are too busy jumping in midway only to side with people like yourself.

Up until this point I have not disrespected you. And I have shown people here that I respect them until they disrespect me.

It gets to the point that once a person starts hating 1 person, more people start to agree with the hater and join until they destroy the person who is defending themselves.

At this point, I don't tolerate that. You can hate all you want but I'm not going to sit here and let people destroy me. I didn't come to the forums for that. You people can convince more people to jump in and hate all you want but you are only showing everyone what kind of community North America really is.

I don't care if the same people hitting the like button to every comment you make continues to help you soak up your superiorness because its most likely the same exact people hitting the like button everytime which I'm pretty sure by now I know who those people are.

This game is not ruined by the DEV TEAM. It's ruined by bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people who have nothing better to do but play all day and take out their depressed suppressed stressed out anger on others and that's why I see too many people move on and go somewhere else.

As for people not backing me up? Those people probably left the forums long time ago.

[Demon6324236]

People will always judge others regardless. Except the way I see it, I've been defending myself the entire time only to have more people jump on hate with the rest of the people judging.People judge based on what they see from you. If you come off as an arrogant person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off as a kind person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off acting as though you more than them while many things you say don't add up or check out with what's already known, people will call you out on it, and assume its part of who you are. Yes, people judge others, but based on what they already see of someone, as they say, first impressions are the most important, and its because everything you do at the start helps shape someone's opinion of who you are.


Which is the same as bullying. Seriously? Read my comments. People are too busy jumping in midway only to side with people like yourself.Which is part of why I stopped posting in threads arguing against you unless I am certain of where the argument is. I am not about to waste my time reading 60 pages of a single thread in order to understand where an argument has been & gone, no, I'm not stupid enough to do it, hell with my memory I probably wouldn't remember half of what I even read by the time I caught up.


Up until this point I have not disrespected you. And I have shown people here that I respect them until they disrespect me. Never said you did, I said he did, you are different people so far as I know, do not confuse what I said about different people.


It gets to the point that once a person starts hating 1 person, more people start to agree with the hater and join until they destroy the person who is defending themselves.This is what happens when your opinion is the minority, not when people say 'Hey, someone is hating someone else, lets join in on it!', which is the case here, you defend SE, the majority have determined SE is not worthy of community defense and that their actions must be their defense. It is for that reason you find massive opposition on most topics, you praise that which we have determined is not worth such a thing. Now, you could say that people only agree with complaints at SE because its hating on SE, but then I guess no ones opinion would be valid if it disagrees with SE, because we either all hate SE, or we all hate people supporting SE, SE does no harm.


At this point, I don't tolerate that. You can hate all you want but I'm not going to sit here and let people destroy me. I didn't come to the forums for that. You people can convince more people to jump in and hate all you want but you are only showing everyone what kind of community North America really is.Yes, its all us evil NA people, not opinions, and not you being on the minorities side of it all, agreed, we are just horrible bastards.


I don't care if the same people hitting the like button to every comment you make continues to help you soak up your superiorness because its most likely the same exact people hitting the like button every time which I'm pretty sure by now I know who those people are.If you really think that matters one damn bit to most people here, that's sad, or at least if you think it matters to me, I'm here to share my views, and my views conflict with yours, in order to help you see 'the light' I argue my points against you, and in many cases you seem to show ignorance to other's arguments, which causes an actual argument that derails threads and causes issues.


This game is not ruined by the DEV TEAM. It's ruined by bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people who have nothing better to do but play all day and take out their depressed suppressed stressed out anger on others and that's why I see too many people move on and go somewhere else.Yes, again, SE is infallible, they do no wrong, however, us evil people of the community are fucking it all up. No, in some cases I agree, forcing gear requirements on people, yeah, that's mostly players, but many... many other fucking things are on SE, not us, and yet you seem to ignore that and act as though the almighty people at SE are brought to tears because we are just assholes we just have to hate on everything and tell SE they suck because were all haters.


As for people not backing me up? Those people probably left the forums long time ago.Maybe its because your opinion is unpopular.

[Daemon]

I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly.

Come off as arrogant? Then what does this comment come off as?

You assume everyone is arrogant the moment people say sonething you don't agree with. Then automatically judge someone based off 2 posts.

Whatever I say you will never agree even if I'm right. Continue on destroying people until they leave only to jump onto the next person.

These forums is like a lions den full of people hungry and ready to jump onto the next person.

And then you wonder why there is only so many people left. Honestly? It's not worth it to stay here. I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be part of this community.

[Daemon]

People judge based on what they see from you. If you come off as an arrogant person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off as a kind person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off acting as though you more than them while many things you say don't add up or check out with what's already known, people will call you out on it, and assume its part of who you are. Yes, people judge others, but based on what they already see of someone, as they say, first impressions are the most important, and its because everything you do at the start helps shape someone's opinion of who you are.

Which is part of why I stopped posting in threads arguing against you unless I am certain of where the argument is. I am not about to waste my time reading 60 pages of a single thread in order to understand where an argument has been & gone, no, I'm not stupid enough to do it, hell with my memory I probably wouldn't remember half of what I even read by the time I caught up.

Never said you did, I said he did, you are different people so far as I know, do not confuse what I said about different people.

This is what happens when your opinion is the minority, not when people say 'Hey, someone is hating someone else, lets join in on it!', which is the case here, you defend SE, the majority have determined SE is not worthy of community defense and that their actions must be their defense. It is for that reason you find massive opposition on most topics, you praise that which we have determined is not worth such a thing. Now, you could say that people only agree with complaints at SE because its hating on SE, but then I guess no ones opinion would be valid if it disagrees with SE, because we either all hate SE, or we all hate people supporting SE, SE does no harm.

Yes, its all us evil NA people, not opinions, and not you being on the minorities side of it all, agreed, we are just horrible bastards.

If you really think that matters one damn bit to most people here, that's sad, or at least if you think it matters to me, I'm here to share my views, and my views conflict with yours, in order to help you see 'the light' I argue my points against you, and in many cases you seem to show ignorance to other's arguments, which causes an actual argument that derails threads and causes issues.

Yes, again, SE is infallible, they do no wrong, however, us evil people of the community are fucking it all up. No, in some cases I agree, forcing gear requirements on people, yeah, that's mostly players, but many... many other fucking things are on SE, not us, and yet you seem to ignore that and act as though the almighty people at SE are brought to tears because we are just assholes we just have to hate on everything and tell SE they suck because were all haters.

Maybe its because your opinion is unpopular.

You see this is exactly what I'm talking about. Read your own words. I don't have to prove anyone anything.

You already set the example for yourself. This reply alone shows how judgmental you are. Assuming the worst as if you think you know what kind of person I am.

Then people who don't see the entire conversation read this and see the other bitter people who agreed with you automatically assume you are right.

This is what I mean by bullying, taking words out of context to ones liking and then judging the person.

"Maybe you are this, its because you did that, because you do this and this and that and that."

If you were not so busy judging then people wouldn't be thinking I'm the person you made me out to be to begin with.

Here look at this again.


I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly.

You make the person out to be this and eventually everyone turns against them believing you.

Hatred attracts hatred and because you are so popular people can't defend themselves. Wolves ready to devour anyone.

This is probably why people watching our conversations don't intervene. For 1 person who steps up to agree with me, you and the others will jump on them too only for them to go through the same thing as me.

Taking words out of context?



Yes, its all us evil NA people, not opinions, and not you being on the minorities side of it all, agreed, we are just horrible bastards.

You took my comment and automatically assumed I'm talking about ALL NA PLAYERS.

Then people read your comment and assume you are right and I'm some horrible person.

I said:

This game is not ruined by the DEV TEAM. It's ruined by bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people who have nothing better to do but play all day and take out their depressed suppressed stressed out anger on others and that's why I see too many people move on and go somewhere else.

Where does it say ALL YOU NA PLAYERS?
Where does it say ALL YOU NA PLAYERS?
Where does it say ALL YOU NA PLAYERS?

And this is why people assume I'm some horrible person because after every reply, you guys over exaggerate my words, take them out of context and rephrase them, and make me out to be someone I'm not.

And then people like Thorbean jump in and make me into something even more worse than the start.

That's all I see in most comments, complaints, anger, bitterness, hatred, disgust, putting others down to give you an instant moment of pleasure because 5-6 people hit your "like" button.

Now go back and read all my replies carefully and then look at others replying to my comments and see how horrible people made me out to be.

"Oh you think you are right and no one is right! Oh you think you are this, or that!!!! You are this and this and that and that!!"

Ok, if you say so.

If that's the person you want me to be and everyone to believe I am that way, what can I do?

[Demon6324236]

Come off as arrogant? Then what does this comment come off as?Judgmental.


You assume everyone is arrogant the moment people say sonething you don't agree with. Then automatically judge someone based off 2 posts.No, I assume he, not everyone, is arrogant the moment he came off as though he was better than others and had a right to judge them based on nothing more than an era of which they played, or a way in which they leveled. As seen here...
Abyssea has killed the game, it has created nothing but unskilled tards who have no idea how to play their jobs properly.Which implies that Abyssea killed the game, and now unskilled retards are the majority. Its also seen here...
I've been playing since 04 and I know how to play each of my 99 jobs, because most of them I leveled to 75 the real way back in the day when skilled players played. Now everywhere you go you just run into undergeared idiots that don't even know what half of their job abilities even do or how to use them.These are the words & statements of an arrogant person in my experience, again I say, first impressions. If he wishes to prove me wrong, simply don't be an ass, and my mind will change.


Whatever I say you will never agree even if I'm right. Continue on destroying people until they leave only to jump onto the next person.Yes, I have no opinion or reasoning for my posts Ulti, I only hate for other people wherever I can.


These forums is like a lions den full of people hungry and ready to jump onto the next person.Your hopeless it seems.


And then you wonder why there is only so many people left. Honestly? It's not worth it to stay here. I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be part of this community.I am ashamed to find people in this community who still think this game is great and SE is not at fault for many of its issues.

[Demon6324236]

Where does it say ALL YOU NA PLAYERS?
At this point, I don't tolerate that. You can hate all you want but I'm not going to sit here and let people destroy me. I didn't come to the forums for that. You people can convince more people to jump in and hate all you want but you are only showing everyone what kind of community North America really is.

This game is not ruined by the DEV TEAM. It's ruined by bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people who have nothing better to do but play all day and take out their depressed suppressed stressed out anger on others and that's why I see too many people move on and go somewhere else.Seems directed at a certain group seeing as you earlier mentioned how the NA community seems to be horrible.

[Daemon]

Seems directed at a certain group seeing as you earlier mentioned how the NA community seems to be horrible.

And that means I said North America is that way? I said you are only showing people what North America really is.

As in we set ourselves to be an example to others.

Since you are generalizing communities all the time. Shall I go back to your older posts and show you? JPs this, EU that.

You see? You only cut the part you want to hear and ignore the rest of what I said which changes the overall meaning of what I meant to begin with.

[Daemon]

Judgmental.

No, I assume he, not everyone, is arrogant the moment he came off as though he was better than others and had a right to judge them based on nothing more than an era of which they played, or a way in which they leveled. As seen here...Which implies that Abyssea killed the game, and now unskilled retards are the majority. Its also seen here...These are the words & statements of an arrogant person in my experience, again I say, first impressions. If he wishes to prove me wrong, simply don't be an ass, and my mind will change.

Yes, I have no opinion or reasoning for my posts Ulti, I only hate for other people wherever I can.

Your hopeless it seems.

I am ashamed to find people in this community who still think this game is great and SE is not at fault for many of its issues.

Judgemental? More like defensive. So you are attacking me first and because I'm defensive I became judgmental right?

You are only showing how single minded you are when others state an opinion. So those people have no right to state an opinion and be part of these forums?

Seriously DJ. Now I can tell you are having a bad day or in one of your moods. Everything I say you are taking it negative.

[Demon6324236]

Since you are generalizing communities all the time. Shall I go back to your older posts and show you? JPs this, EU that.I would like you to actually show me a generalization I made concerning EU players. I know I do with JP players, but that's for obvious reasons, between all SE games from Final Fantasy to Kingdom Hearts they have shown JP favoritism. Since most of our replies are not direct replies, but rather translated posts that were in reply to a JP comment or complaint, yes, I believe they are treated better.


You see? You only cut the part you want to hear and ignore the rest of what I said which changes the overall meaning of what I meant to begin with.I do see, I saw you make a generalized statement which seems to be directed to what you believe the treatment is that you receive from the majority of people here. At the same time you made a statement claiming that its not SE's fault, but rather the fault of the 'bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people' which I again assumed, was meant to be the people who are against you in most topics. I connected the dots between them which appeared to be there.

[Demon6324236]

Judgemental? More like defensive. So you are attacking me first and because I'm defensive I became judgmental right?I assumed you meant my comment, not yours. Your comment comes off as foolish, as you continue to repeat meaningless arguments which I explained already.

You are against the majority with your opinions, everyone is not jumping at you saying your an idiot because that's what they do, they are doing it because experience with SE suggests that they suck most of the time and take forever to fix issues which need fixed, or never do them at all like VW, and yet you contend we should simply wait.


You are only showing how single minded you are when others state an opinion. So those people have no right to state an opinion and be part of these forums?People have a right to share an opinion when its not completely ignorant and is backed up by some sort of reason or facts. In the majority of the arguments I see you making, I cant honestly find those things, do I say you have no right to your opinion? No, I attempt to explain mine, and why yours sounds stupid to me in many ways, rather than accept that, you instead have been arguing in threads with people and acting as though they are harassing you.

Look at the post you made in response to someone with the very same face as me, you did not look at their name, you saw the face, assumed it was me, and made an argument based on the fact it was me. To me, that says something about your arguments you make too, you made a post much more personal it should have been because you thought it was me, rather than responding to the points properly. I would be lying if I didn't say I pull my punches when arguing with you, because I do think of you as a friend still.


Seriously DJ. Now I can tell you are having a bad day or in one of your moods. Everything I say you are taking it negative.Could talk more about it if you were on, but you still haven't been at all even though you said you would be from what I have seen.

[FrankReynolds]

PRO TIP: If it takes you 11 years to figure out a video game... You are not smart.

[Daemon]

PRO TIP: If it takes you 11 years to figure out a video game... You are not smart.

You see? You have it backwards and are throwing it in my face. People here were telling me I'm not experienced enough to comment on anything.

I said I've been playing 11 years. I think by now I know the game already.

[Daemon]

I assumed you meant my comment, not yours. Your comment comes off as foolish, as you continue to repeat meaningless arguments which I explained already.

You are against the majority with your opinions, everyone is not jumping at you saying your an idiot because that's what they do, they are doing it because experience with SE suggests that they suck most of the time and take forever to fix issues which need fixed, or never do them at all like VW, and yet you contend we should simply wait.

People have a right to share an opinion when its not completely ignorant and is backed up by some sort of reason or facts. In the majority of the arguments I see you making, I cant honestly find those things, do I say you have no right to your opinion? No, I attempt to explain mine, and why yours sounds stupid to me in many ways, rather than accept that, you instead have been arguing in threads with people and acting as though they are harassing you.

Look at the post you made in response to someone with the very same face as me, you did not look at their name, you saw the face, assumed it was me, and made an argument based on the fact it was me. To me, that says something about your arguments you make too, you made a post much more personal it should have been because you thought it was me, rather than responding to the points properly. I would be lying if I didn't say I pull my punches when arguing with you, because I do think of you as a friend still.

Could talk more about it if you were on, but you still haven't been at all even though you said you would be from what I have seen.

I worked 19 hours straight Thursday, got 2 hour sleep and then worked another 12 hours Friday.... And you still asking why I'm not logging on to the game.

I'm tired of dodging bullets.

People have the right to state an opinion when they are not completely ignorant? How can people share an opinion when you assume people are ignorant?

Words can mean a million things and people here take words they read and understand them from their side of the angle.

You've played with me in the game long enough to know I'm not an ignorant person.

This is the difference between talking to someone and reading words.

Because you can only write so many of them on a limited space here on the forums, people tend to write a quick comment only for people to take words the wrong way and start a war.

And when a person becomes caught up between one judging and the other defending themselves, others who don't understand the entire conversation jump in and attack the person defending themselves making that person look worse.

I never disagreed on everything you people complain about except when suggestions like "Rare items should drop 100%." Are being made. Which I explained how I see it from different points of view than your own.

Then again I don't agree that people should trash the DEV TEAM over certain mistakes generalizing and making an assumption that THEY NEVER ADDRESS EVEREYONES CONCERNS when in reality THEY ARE ADDRESSING CONCERNS.

Just not the ones YOU EXPECT THEM TO.


EXAMPLE

(Others)
Why they don't address WR? I can't get my item because it takes 10 hours to kill the boss that drops what I want and all I got from drop are pebbles and ores???

(ME)
Well they just did previous update, and they just made adjustment to colonization Reives so the other players coming from Abyssea could play SoA a little easier.. I'm sure they were busy focusing on that.

(Others)
Ok but DEV TEAM are lazy! They never do their job! They always ignore everyone!! And you are just cheer leading for the DEV TEAM!!! You are ignorant!! And people here on the forums hate you!!

(ME)
I can't even share an opinion without 5-6 others hounding me as if in the bad guy...

(Others)
Well its because you make yourself out to be that way!!!

As for being ignorant? You guys never admit when someone is right and always ignore the good comments and continue to feed onto the negative ones.

When you go back and read my previous comments. I admit when people are right. I admit when I'm called out on something.

I've even gone to the extreme of getting a group of haters attention so I could sort out our differences and make things right between them.

I always apologized to others when I made a mistake and assumed something wrong. Which happens a lot.

And I've always stated "I agree or disagree" when someone shared an opinion.

I just never disrespected anyone unless they disrespected me first.

Proof is seen in my comments to others.

Why do people weed out all of the good things people do only to aim for something they don't like about them and use that as a reason to call them out?

It's as people on these forums dig though your comments and look for a reason worthy of putting you on the spot so they can judge you and earn them a small boost of pleasure from others who agree to your negativity.

Instead of earning "likes" for your feedback, people come here to earn "likes" for how well you can trash someone else.

[detlef]

In all fairness, the way you describe game mechanics is not how the game has been played in a long time. When was the last time you used PLDs for a fight for anything other than holding things? For me, it was about 5 years ago when we were killing JoL. Everything since then has not needed PLDs. What's the best way to kill Bahamut v2? Zerg it. Kirin? Zerg it. JoL? Zerg it. AV? Zerg it. Voidwatch? Zerg it. Legion? Zerg it. Delve? Zerg it. Odin v2? Zer- well maybe this one is a little different. That's why I feel like you're out of touch when you talk about game mechanics that are not even used anymore. If you don’t understand Tojil mechanics, you don’t understand the best way to clear any alliance-based content in the last 5 years.

You gave an example of fighting KB, wiping, and then grabbing it after another group wipes. What does that have to do with anything? People kiting KB to avoid Meteor doesn't mean you are old-school and understand game mechanics better than somebody who just started playing in the last 5 years.

Soloing Sky NMs on RDM, soloing Voidwrought on SCH, soloing whatever WoE it is you always brag about on BLU or whatever, those things are worthy of respect. However, they don't automatically mean you know everything. Just like playing for 11 years isn't a guarantee of anything.

I'm pretty sure you're the guy who advocated full timing Hvergelmir and got very defensive when somebody mathed out that you are more MP efficient switching other weapons in. I don’t remember how that thread ended but I hope you acknowledged that you still have things to learn. We all do, even those of us who’ve been playing since 2002.

[Daemon]

In all fairness, the way you describe game mechanics is not how the game has been played in a long time. When was the last time you used PLDs for a fight for anything other than holding things? For me, it was about 5 years ago when we were killing JoL. Everything since then has not needed PLDs. What's the best way to kill Bahamut v2? Zerg it. Kirin? Zerg it. JoL? Zerg it. AV? Zerg it. Voidwatch? Zerg it. Legion? Zerg it. Delve? Zerg it. Odin v2? Zer- well maybe this one is a little different. That's why I feel like you're out of touch when you talk about game mechanics that are not even used anymore. If you don’t understand Tojil mechanics, you don’t understand the best way to clear any alliance-based content in the last 5 years.

You gave an example of fighting KB, wiping, and then grabbing it after another group wipes. What does that have to do with anything? People kiting KB to avoid Meteor doesn't mean you are old-school and understand game mechanics better than somebody who just started playing in the last 5 years.

Soloing Sky NMs on RDM, soloing Voidwrought on SCH, soloing whatever WoE it is you always brag about on BLU or whatever, those things are worthy of respect. However, they don't automatically mean you know everything. Just like playing for 11 years isn't a guarantee of anything.

I'm pretty sure you're the guy who advocated full timing Hvergelmir and got very defensive when somebody mathed out that you are more MP efficient switching other weapons in. I don’t remember how that thread ended but I hope you acknowledged that you still have things to learn. We all do, even those of us who’ve been playing since 2002.

Edit: first time I erased an entire post due to being a repeat of the same thing.

I never said I don't have anything else to learn. But I also never said I had all of the best.
You can prove what's best on paper. Having every single item would make you the best statistically. But does that make you the best skillfully?

Why do you need the best for everything if what you are doing doesn't need it? You need to be a masters degree in computer science to do something a high school student can do?

Do I need WR gear and delve weapons to beat VW?

The outcome of my argument over Hvelgamir. Our party was already netting 9k plasm. I didn't need 50% cure potency to conserve MP. Plenty of refresh options and my MP was fine. You should read the ending of that conversation. Then maybe you will learn that some people don't need to learn more about mechanics to accomplish the same goal. In fact people arguing then realized that I "could" full time Hvelgamir because I was in a good party with skilled team.

I'm not impressed by zerging bosses with more people. Why do you need more people to kill something?

The same as why you need 18 people to kill a level 15 skeleton in gusgen mines? >.>

The challenge is not there. If you were on the street, you gonna get 25 people to beat up a person?

That's the problem today. People assume events are only mAde to win with more people, less quality. As long as 100 DDs are attacking, 25 noobs to die for you to have more time to deal damage... Seriously?

I don't play for that.

I try to party with least amount of people so we can figure out how things can be won strategically than hire massive amounts of people to heal and Zerg all the way til death.

This is not Warcraft 3, diablo and any other game you just gang bang stuff for instant gratification.

I've led too many groups and have played in too many events low manning stuff to accomplish wins that joining these groups with massive amounts of people makes it out of control to the point you can't use strategy because no organization is possible.

This is the difference between how you play the game and how I like to play the game.


The reward for you might be winning fast.

The reward for me is winning something people thought was impossible.

[FrankReynolds]

You see? You have it backwards and are throwing it in my face. People here were telling me I'm not experienced enough to comment on anything.

I said I've been playing 11 years. I think by now I know the game already.


There's a big difference between saying it doesn't take 11 years to figure out FFXI and saying "you don't know what your talking about because you have never done the event and even if you had, you don't any more so your opinion is of no value".

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just hope that instead of being that silly, that you realize that there is a huge difference and are just bringing this up in a futile attempt to win a debate that even the participants are only mildly interested at this point.


What was the purpose of those examples? To tell you that you don't need a PHD to know how ALL EVENTS WORK and that fighting is fighting.

Regardless if the conditions have been altered every event has the same concept.


Kill boss, earn reward.

It doesn't matter how long it takes to kill a boss or what reward drops. The point is, all monsters implemented offer a way to win.

And regardless whether a level 50 boss is weaker than a level 100 boss.

Back when everyone was level 50 and bosses were considered end game. Your gear was capped to a certain power just the same as we are capped now.

Same concept regardless.

I don't need higher education to know how to beat a boss or win a fight.

At this point of the game the balance is tipped on depending on more people to win than back at level 50 when bosses could be done with less people.

Big deal. That's what happens as you gain higher level. Monsters have higher HP and more higher levels require higher conditions.

A fight is a fight. Conditions of the fight might be different but it doesn't mean you need to be almighty in knowledge to overcome the obstacle.

All rollercoaster have different turns, swirls, designs. But in reality its the same thing... A ROLLERCOASTER.

Do I need special knowledge to know what a rollercoaster is if I've seen many of them in 11 years?

Broad over generalizations will not win the debate. sorry.

[Daemon]

There's a big difference between saying it doesn't take 11 years to figure out FFXI and saying "you don't know what your talking about because you have never done the event and even if you had, you don't any more so your opinion is of no value".

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just hope that instead of being that silly, that you realize that there is a huge difference and are just bringing this up in a futile attempt to win a debate that even the participants are only mildly interested at this point.



Broad over generalizations will not win the debate. sorry.

And you are automatically assuming I "never" done the event and that's why you are still going on judging me after every reply.

Why would I comment on something I "never" done? Then again 11 years of experience playing the event 1 time is enough to understand how the event works.

Boss fight, has set conditions. Requires certain strategy. Requires the basic formula of tank, Damage dealers, buffers, debuffers, healers.

Meaning find the right amount of people and the right jobs.

Does it have a set timer or infinite time to kill it?

Win or lose

Result? Items drop or no drop from failure.

Same concept every event.

What adjustment could the DEV TEAM possibly make that would be impossible for me to figure out and defeat the objective is what I want to know.

Then again some servers have 600 people, others have 1,500-2k.

Your server might not have enough players while my server might have enough.

You guys talk as if every single player and server is suffering the same experience and then call me out as if my word has no value just because I stopped playing an event I already did.

Some claim it took them 10-27 hours. Did they have enough people? The right jobs? What time of day did the event happen? When servers were slow? JP peak time?

So just because you still play the event I need to be there to to understand how the event works?

How many times do I need to fight WR bosses to be considered up to your level in knowledge?

How does it work now that FFXIV was released?? Therefore your almighty knowledge is far more superior than mine still?

When I knew already this would happen. I observe stock market to know that you don't base your judgements on hype and can do perfectly fine by looking at the charts if you are experienced enough to know how it works. And you can fairly predict the outcome of certain events.

People thought apple shares would go up after announcing the iphone 5C and 5s. Charts showed before the announcement it wasn't going anywhere. Then stops fell after the disappointment. Watching the company for several years tells the story.

Mr computer programmer. How many times does it take for you to format and reinstall windows to know how it works if a new version of windows comes out?

Do you need to install a million times more to know its the same concept??

That's like telling a computer IT who went to collage, earned a bachelor, a masters degree to learn something a high school student can learn and tell that person they don't know what they are talking about all because they only did it once and its not enough regardless of how smart you are or how much experience you have, 1 time is not enough to know the process of installing windows on a computer.

Do I need to be a genius to read over discussions of how others beat and won a boss? After doing this for every boss for many years I'm sure by now I know how to read, what jobs to hire, and win.

But this doesn't help me if the members in the group are not able to follow. You speak as if you know more than me as if you killed the boss alone and never depended on the other people in your group to help you.

I've played every single boss in WoE, won to the point I made and led WoE parties, had enough people to cycle through every flux many times per day for hours.

Done ADL religiously every week with JP LS low man groups. Odin, limbus, salvage.

And still I took the time out to continue soloing bosses in Abby to continue keeping up my skills.

You cannot blame or judge my experience and knowledge based on not playing an event long enough. Unless its a boss that I can solo by myself and haven't won yet.

[AJ666]

And you are automatically assuming I "never" done the event and that's why you are still going on judging me after every reply.

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Who knew a server merge post would turn into a pissing match....

Well I agree with the guy i quoted, and fully back him up.

[FrankReynolds]

And you are automatically assuming I "never" done the event and that's why you are still going on judging me after every reply.

Why would I comment on something I "never" done? Then again 11 years of experience playing the event 1 time is enough to understand how the event works.

No, 1 time isn't enough. Everything you said in the other thread pointed towards a lack of basic knowledge about the event. It took some of the best players with some of the best hacks and some of the best gear considerably longer than one run to figure the event out and there are still some unknowns. Nice try.


Boss fight, has set conditions. Requires certain strategy. Requires the basic formula of tank, Damage dealers, buffers, debuffers, healers.

Meaning find the right amount of people and the right jobs.

Does it have a set timer or infinite time to kill it?

Win or lose

Result? Items drop or no drop from failure.

Same concept every event.

Great. Thank you for pointing out all those things that can be different in each event. It really drives home the point that you don't know what you are talking about in regards to the ones you have no experience with.


What adjustment could the DEV TEAM possibly make that would be impossible for me to figure out and defeat the objective is what I want to know.

Probably lots of things. How many times did you beat AV before the level cap increase?


You guys talk as if every single player and server is suffering the same experience and then call me out as if my word has no value just because I stopped playing an event I already did.


It does have no value. Case and point: You are in the wrong thread to discuss this. Go back there.


Some claim it took them 10-27 hours. Did they have enough people? The right jobs? What time of day did the event happen? When servers were slow? JP peak time?

It doesn't matter. If it sucks it sucks. Telling people it doesn't suck won't change their mind. They don't like it in it's current state and they pay the bills.


So just because you still play the event I need to be there to to understand how the event works?

No, you need to mind your business. Do you know why you aren't allowed to vote in elections in other countries? Because you don't know wtf your talking about and you have no business trying to dictate how they live. Sure, you could over generalize like you do in this thread and say "well I've been able to vote for 11 years and all countries have humans with arms and legs and heads, so what else is there to know? Me for president!", but you would still be wrong. Same concept applies here and well pretty much everywhere else in life. Consider this a free life lesson.


How many times do I need to fight WR bosses to be considered up to your level in knowledge?

Enough to realize that you have wasted your time and it sucks.


How does it work now that FFXIV was released?? Therefore your almighty knowledge is far more superior than mine still?

I don't have a clue what you mean by this, but it sounds like a compliment. Thanks :D


When I knew already this would happen. I observe stock market to know that you don't base your judgements on hype and can do perfectly fine by looking at the charts if you are experienced enough to know how it works. And you can fairly predict the outcome of certain events.

People thought apple shares would go up after announcing the iphone 5C and 5s. Charts showed before the announcement it wasn't going anywhere. Then stops fell after the disappointment. Watching the company for several years tells the story.

Who thought it would go up? Historically, It drops after every announcement. Why are we talking stocks now? Are you drunk?


Mr computer programmer. How many times does it take for you to format and reinstall windows to know how it works if a new version of windows comes out?

Do you need to install a million times more to know its the same concept??

Maybe. What kind of installation? Is there a custom image server? is it being installed in a VM? Does it need to be installed from an image with custom drivers and applications? How are you installing it? From a windows disk? PXE? A thumb drive? Will it be on a raid array? Do you have your raid drivers handy?

Yeah, probably a million times.


That's like telling a computer IT who went to collage, earned a bachelor, a masters degree to learn something a high school student can learn and tell that person they don't know what they are talking about all because they only did it once and its not enough regardless of how smart you are or how much experience you have, 1 time is not enough to know the process of installing windows on a computer.

It isn't enough. The guy who was my manager before I took over had a BA, MCSE, MCITP Comptia A++, Net++ and a slew of other certs and he still ran into crap he didn't know and had me look it up all the time. That is why I now have his job. He knew a lot of stuff that didn't apply to what we needed to do and I learned the stuff we did need faster.


Do I need to be a genius to read over discussions of how others beat and won a boss? After doing this for every boss for many years I'm sure by now I know how to read, what jobs to hire, and win.

Just about everything in life has been documented on the internet these days. Most people are smart enough to know that simply reading about them in a forum does not make them an expert of give them the right to dictate what is good / bad in said fields.


But this doesn't help me if the members in the group are not able to follow. You speak as if you know more than me as if you killed the boss alone and never depended on the other people in your group to help you.

So the problem isn't that the event is botched, the problem is the people yeah? Okay, so should we change the game to match the players? Or just cancel all the subs and get new players to match the game?


I've played every single boss in WoE, won to the point I made and led WoE parties, had enough people to cycle through every flux many times per day for hours.

Done ADL religiously every week with JP LS low man groups. Odin, limbus, salvage.

And still I took the time out to continue soloing bosses in Abby to continue keeping up my skills.

You cannot blame or judge my experience and knowledge based on not playing an event long enough. Unless its a boss that I can solo by myself and haven't won yet.

Yes I can.


This is wildly off topic. If you want to reply to this, please copy / paste it into the correct thread.

[Daemon]

Voidwatch... Same proc system as Abyssea. Dyna has the same concept.

Does it really mean I need to play all of them a million times to learn that its the same concept?

Nyzul, NNI, Delve, Salvage, Limbus, Einherjar, Meebles. Based on time limit. Same concept different conditions. Do I really need to play these a million times to know this concept is based on time???

Answer that for me please.

Until you've spammed every single boss in all 15 conflux 8-16 hours a day leading the events everyday then come back and tell me if I need more experience and knowledge to understand WR.

Especially if I've already played it once to know that its unfinished,
Needs adjustments and that bothering with it after a new expansion release would be pointless until the DEV TEAM implements everything according to their vision which is obvious when DEVs start slacking off and stop adding things.

Seeing this after every expansion throughout 11 years of playing FFXI. I've seen it enough times to know what I'm doing.

But you wouldn't know that because you are playing for the moment and not willing to be patient and wait it out to see the finished product.

Instead of waiting until all the rewards and quests are implemented you'd rather waste 10 hours a day doing an unfinished event and complain how miserable you are because its lacking.

And I'm just sitting here waiting and analyzing the pain you are going through trying to comfort players like yourself but rather than see that you'd rather call me out on things and argue the problem making things worse playing war of words of "who knows better."

You would rather stay on the problem than figure out how to defeat the problem and move forward. That should be enough to tell you what kind of player I am.

As for the stocks example. Don't base your judgement at the moment (as in hype) but look at the overall situation of how events work. That analyzing how SE has implemented things in the past allows the ability to predict how events are made.

Meaning look at the overall big picture than base judgement from your side of the glass.

Was VW perfect at the beginning or lacking? Did they not add things and build on top of that?

Implementing content is like writing a book. You put down the main idea, build on top of it. Proof read, edit, double check it, then print.

The difference though is that books can but thrown out finished without making adjustments. Since MMORPG is a live crowd 24/7 interest of a player can change at any given moment. Which is why DEVS would have to continue making adjustments overtime unless they decide to just kill it and move on.

Otherwise they will have to adjust everything all the time.

What you feel at this very moment I heard you already since the beginning. But regardless of what you feel and adjustment becomes made will never stay permanent forever.

Its why I said the example about REM. If SE adjusted REM "BEFORE" SoA vision is complete. They might wasted time only for REM to become irrelevant again 1 month later. Then how was the problem solved?

[Daemon]

As for the OP this may not seem like all of this discussion is on topic but it infact does have an impact on the server population. You are just taking a look at hardcore details as to how we think the game is which ties down to overall interest in why we play. People want to ignore the fact that there are players like me who play FFXI.

I know I give a hard time with my debates but community reps, DEV team only know the point of view of players who exist on the forums. Not the overall actual feelings of every player on the servers.

There are many people i know who think the same as me and agree with me when I bring up these discussions in LS but don't participate in the forums and its us who gets screwed when adjustments are made to benefit a certain group of people who share the same interest as each other and not the same interest as the group of people like me.

This is why I gave the example of WoE and the aftermath of how the event turned out.

I find it highly insulting that people play ignorant and act as if players like me don't exist.

People like me do exist. You just haven't heard their side because they never come to the forums and share it.

Our opinion should matter just as much as yours.

As for server merge, these arguments should tell you how people from different servers think differently.

One persons judgement might be based on a server with 200-500 people which in reality would be hard to enjoy the game while another persons judgement could be based on playing a server with 1,500-2k which changes the overal experience of how a person plays the game.

[Daemon]

It took some of the best players with some of the best hacks and some of the best gear considerably longer than one run to figure the event out and there are still some unknowns. Nice try.

Ok now I can stop taking you seriously. Best players DON'T USE HACKS!

This tells me what kind of experienced player I am arguing with.

Nice try though, really.

Anyone who thinks you need a hack to win is not considered a best player in my book.

[nyheen]

Voidwatch... Same proc system as Abyssea. Dyna has the same concept.

Does it really mean I need to play all of them a million times to learn that its the same concept?

way off. done abyssea, dyna many many times and trying VW proc.. i still dont understand well.

now back to "can we haz a merge"?!

[FrankReynolds]

Ok now I can stop taking you seriously. Best players DON'T USE HACKS!

This tells me what kind of experienced player I am arguing with.

Nice try though, really.

Anyone who thinks you need a hack to win is not considered a best player in my book.

I'm not going to give you anymore logical responses to the subject while you post in this thread. Figure out how to copy / paste into the correct forum, or enjoy the oncoming stream of nonsensical responses, memes and off hand insults. You know where to post. You know I will respond in kind. Stop crapping up this thread.

[Crusader81]

My server is consistently over 7000 active players :/ God Behemoth/Odin spawns suck lol


Hyperion on XIV that is.
We have a 2hr maintenance, thought I'd come over and see how things are going >.>

sorry to hear it.

[Spectreman]

Yea we need a merge.

[Hayward]

500 total on Cerberus, no one on the LS. It's plainly depressing more than anything. Whatever the developers have planned won't mean anything if too few people are around to care.

[Zumi]

Should merge servers I see 700 people on usually.

[Afania]

Bump, because I think addressing server population issue is more important than anything else atm.

This game is nearly unplayable without enough players per server, that made more players leave the game, even if they're not interested in 14. I have a couple of friends told me they're quitting 11 due to lack of ppl to do anything at all. Even if they want to stay in 11, it's just not possible to.

My server had 1k ppl on NA prime time when 14 lanuched, now only 700k left. 14 population actually decreased after free period for 1.0 players over. So it's not cuz everyone left for 14, but they left due to lack of ppl.

If there are no server merge coming soon it's going to be drop even faster that even Nov update can't save this game.

[Soraishin]

my guess is that they'll wait till the RME november update to see the populations since people will come scrambling back from 14 to see the new shiny stuff before they make any official mergers, well that's what i would do but what i can't understand is why not release everything in the october update, the october update is pretty small and not that great honestly, everything should be released together