Well it looks like ffXI might be around for awhile. Maybe.

[sc4500]

Just go around all the main mmo sites see why, FF14 underestimated there users and system and well early access is a beta now. Right now There in a shell shock state. with no info or good PR buzzers. and unable deal with it and losing a lot creds and users. At launch it will be a disaster. When you can not play with your friends. Game is fun as hell if you can play it or progress.

Almost was a WOW killer. with 14.

Lets just hope it is not the end of square.

FFXI will just keep chugging along.

Hope I am wrong for the better of both worlds.

[OmnysValefor]

A lot of this is baseless.

Many MMOs on launch day have server problems, there's no effective way to coordinate server preferences and so servers end up overcrowded. They try to get open betas out there to allow them to get some stress-testing, but Square has never been very big on advertising and so a lot of people didn't realize the game was in open beta.

Warcraft was like this at the beginning of Cataclysm. Everybody knows day 1 is going to be overcrowded, everybody hopes they'll get to have more fun if everybody else realizes that and does not login. Nobody's patient enough and world's crash. Not to mention, lobby servers coordinating logins crash.

Nobody is quitting yet, and they're phenomenally stupid if they are, because they've already paid. An intelligent person would give a game some time since the money's paid. Since they don't advertise well, most the players coming to it are familiar with all the issues launch day brings.

As for a WoW-killer. No it wasn't. I'm not even gonna say anything bad about either game, but FF14 was trying to be more like WoW and you can't entice enough people to come from something to something similar. No MMO is ever going to have ELEVENTY MILLION PLAYERS again, not even WoW, or any other Blizzard product. There's too much competition.

[sc4500]

http://na.square-enix.com/us/games/final-fantasy-xiv-realm-reborn#comment-87706

just go there , and then check out the mmo sites. Like mmorpg.com.

got one month till pay the sub, and many gamers like got there money for the 2 weeks in for the game, or like f it lost the money never buy another square game for a few years , time to move on. To another game. So no subscription fee. And most the gamers never really lost much. Yet they will not buy another square game again.

These are not just server problems, they are errors that should have been picked up on the betas they had. Server problems are normal just waiting to get into the game or dc from time to time. Once your in you might got some lag , but your able to progress through the game. The bugs that showing up now are game breaking were unable to play the game.

Will say the Wow killer was little to much, but NA/EU only 3 servers were left out of the 25 , people were able to create a character since to full, but the japanese servers were at 17 still open and this before the launch of the game.

FF14 never needed the massive ads since many of the 60+ million users that play mmo's, ever major mmo site talk about the game., With the 25 million fans of final fantasy franchise they understood the game was coming out. Willing to try it out.

[Spectreman]

FF14 will fail not because of the lack of PR or servers problems, but cause its just another wow clone with FF skin. Gameplay is boring as fuck now with this wow combat system and once the fools lose the fresh scent of the launch it will be a forgotten game, or maybe always remembered as the game that broke SE.

I'm just waiting for those delicious tears to start dropping. My only concern is that you guys will return to FF11 cryong how FF14 failed you (again) and that FF11 doesnt have this or that.

[Anjou]

FF14 will fail not because of the lack of PR or servers problems, but cause its just another wow clone with FF skin. Gameplay is boring as fuck now with this wow combat system and once the fools lose the fresh scent of the launch it will be a forgotten game, or maybe always remembered as the game that broke SE.

I'm just waiting for those delicious tears to start dropping. My only concern is that you guys will return to FF11 cryong how FF14 failed you (again) and that FF11 doesnt have this or that.

While I typically don't resort to such things, but can you kindly stop talking like that? Seriously you act like a chimpanzee beating a computer tower with a stick screaming "FFXIV'LL FAIL CUZ OF WOW CLONE, OMG GONNA LAUGH AT YOU GUYS FOR WASTING MONEY" seriously whatever your problem is, stop trying to ruin it for other people, and if XIV proves to be as successful as past MMO's, what're you going to do when you're standing in SoA areas alone? Are you going to just sit there and be biased of a good game because of a few systems resembling another MMO's? Unless something really bogus occurs like what TOR did and didn't keep their playerbase occupied with new content, SE won't have an issue cranking it out, and thus it'll keep players entertained.

In short: Enjoy your time on XI, it'll be a long time, but XIV isn't going to just crumble away into dust with you-know-who spearheading it.

[Crusader81]

FFXIV has had a flawless JP launch.

FFXIV NA has had about 5-6 maintanences and a good dozen errors, between that maybe a 1/4 of My LS's 90 members can make it online.

It seems they've seriously underestimated how popular it would be for NA/EU, the servers are full and then some.

[Demon6324236]

FF14 will fail not because of the lack of PR or servers problems, but cause its just another wow clone with FF skin.Lets wait a month before we talking about how the game sucks, ok? The game has so many people trying to get on the servers cant handle it, to me, sounds like its already getting a lot of interest from people, though most MMOs I know of experience this in the first few weeks, or games in general with large populations & popularity. But the fact of the matter is that we are seeing a ton of people trying to play it, if that's the case, how can you say the game is a failure? In a month if half the people who bought the game are complaining about multiple massive issues and quitting the game saying it was a complete waste of their money, then we can sit here talking shit about the game. Till that time, really, you should just shut up, because you say this same thing in every single thread which pops up which even mentions FFXIV.

[svengalis]

why are you posting this in the xi forum?

[Demon6324236]

why are you posting this in the xi forum?Because posting it in the FFXIV forum would be just as relevant seeing as its something to do with both games. To post it in FFXIV's forum would leave those people thinking 'why do we care if FFXI is around for a while?' while people here are apparently saying 'FFXIV wont do anything to FFXI, its awesome, and FFXIV sucks' or at least, some are, others are simply saying that it wont impact FFXI much in a nicer way.

[Vivivivi]

In my opinion, FFXIV's success or failure has little to do with XI's longevity. They are separate games, and it appears with the relaunch, XIV is not being positioned as the successor to XI, but instead as another game with its own trajectory. I'm sure it matters very little to SE if your dollar goes to XIV instead of XI, or XI instead of XIV as long as it goes to one of them and not a game from another company.

XIV looks incredibly promising, and at the same time, so does XI (on its own merits! just look at the new user interface and all of the planned content).

[Spectreman]

While I typically don't resort to such things, but can you kindly stop talking like that? Seriously you act like a chimpanzee beating a computer tower with a stick screaming "FFXIV'LL FAIL CUZ OF WOW CLONE, OMG GONNA LAUGH AT YOU GUYS FOR WASTING MONEY" seriously whatever your problem is, stop trying to ruin it for other people, and if XIV proves to be as successful as past MMO's, what're you going to do when you're standing in SoA areas alone? Are you going to just sit there and be biased of a good game because of a few systems resembling another MMO's? Unless something really bogus occurs like what TOR did and didn't keep their playerbase occupied with new content, SE won't have an issue cranking it out, and thus it'll keep players entertained.

In short: Enjoy your time on XI, it'll be a long time, but XIV isn't going to just crumble away into dust with you-know-who spearheading it.


Why you keep defending this game with such passion in FF11 forums? What are you doing here anyway if you could be playing FF14? I'm not in FF14 forums saying it will fail again because it's a wow clone, i'm saying this on FFXI forums.

So the wrong one here is you.


And Anjou and Demon i respect that you like that game but i don't and seeing people come to FF11 forums talk about that pos and wanting to be heard is ridiculous. Nothing against you guys i don't even know you, it's just ridiculous to come over a game forum to complain someone doesn't like another game.

[Spectreman]

why are you posting this in the xi forum?

This.

and This.

[Demon6324236]

i respect that you like that game but i don't and seeing people come to FF11 forums talk about that pos and wanting to be heard is ridiculous. Nothing against you guys i don't even know you, it's just ridiculous to come over a game forum to complain someone doesn't like another game.To say I like FFXIV is not exactly accurate, I lack both a decent PC and PS3, the two things which are able to play the game, as such I have never played a beta, the original, or the new game. I simply hate to see someone saying a game sucks and its a WoW clone which will only crumble because if you truly think that you can make such judgments about a game of which you have never played the full version of (I can only assume, I know for a fact it was impossible to play the final version till 2 days ago and you have said things about the game much longer than that) then you are mistaken in my opinion. Your making bold statements saying things like...
Gameplay is boring as fuck now with this wow combat system and once the fools lose the fresh scent of the launch it will be a forgotten game, or maybe always remembered as the game that broke SE.

Which makes it sound like you want it to fail. In which case, if it does, it could break SE, it could make the company crumble, and its not like FFXI is magically just going to live still. I'm sure if FFXIV fails again that it will hurt SE badly, we already have people here leaving saying they will never buy another SE game, or another FF MMO at very least, this means their reputation has been hurt by this game. If another large game, especially a new one which they just put a bunch of resources into rebuilding so that it would be a good game rather than a bad one, if that fails, it could easily make a great deal of customers think twice about buying another game made by SE.

As I said, I can not say I like FFXIV, I have never played the game, but at the same time I fully and completely hope that the game does not fail, that its a success, and that the game is a big hit with a lot of players. At least if that happens, I can get some renewed faith in SE as a company. We have seen many issues with games over the last few installments of FF. FFXIII was thought of as far to linear, rather than moving ahead in numbers and simply making a FFXV, they held back, they made FFXIII-2 even though many people were against the idea, wanting to move on, and now there is Lightening Returns. They also had Versus, which was kept quiet till recently being re-announced as FFXV, and we had their constant handheld games for another popular series, Kingdom Hearts. All in all, the company is losing faith from a lot of customers, or at least many people I know both in game and in real life who are fans of their games. Even now, FFXIV and FFXV are not returning to any form of the old style FF games, rather, FFXIV is apparently similar to WoW I guess, I wouldn't know, never played either, and FFXV is adapting a KH type battle system it seems, and while I like it, many others are sure to hate it.



In the end, I play FFXI, not FFXIV, but I don't have to play FFXIV in order to defend it from criticism I feel it does not deserve. I am not here to complain about your dislike for FFXIV, I am here for a great many reasons involving FFXI, but if I see you saying the same thing in every thread which even so much as mentions FFXIV, yes, I will say something about it. Its ridiculous to come to a forum and complain on it that people on that forum do not like a different game, but it is equally ridiculous to constantly insult a game others apparently enjoy or think they will enjoy and throw it in their face every time its brought up. I am sure I am not the only person on these forums which can not play FFXIV but wants to, and is instead playing this game, its not impossible for it to be brought up. Also, since it can have an impact on this game by decreasing the player base or taking more resources from FFXI to work on FFXIV like the original seemed to, it seems like a reasonable topic to pop up here and there. After all, if it involves this game, where else does it belong?

I say again incase its lost on people, not you specifically Spectre, but anyone reading. FFXIV has Final Fantasy in its name, and no matter if you think it matters or not, it does, part of what carried this game to where it is the last 11 years was it being a Final Fantasy game, and if another Final Fantasy MMO pops up, many people who like Final Fantasy and tried this for that reason, will likely do the same thing with FFXIV. What that means, is there is reason for concern, reason to worry, and reason to care, that's why it keeps popping up. If it does nothing to this game, awesome, FFXI can continue as it is, people will still leave in time, player base will dwindle slowly, and eventually the community will be as much a skeleton crew as the Dev team seems to be. On the other hand, if it does something to this game, if it does cause a player base crash, if it does lower the income of this game enough, who knows what will happen, we could see slower smaller updates, less done than there is now, more things could be put back, and so on. Its not something to simply ignore, that's why people make threads like these. To complain they exist when they are reasonable threads, that's ridiculous.

[Anjou]

Why you keep defending this game with such passion in FF11 forums? What are you doing here anyway if you could be playing FF14? I'm not in FF14 forums saying it will fail again because it's a wow clone, i'm saying this on FFXI forums.

So the wrong one here is you.


And Anjou and Demon i respect that you like that game but i don't and seeing people come to FF11 forums talk about that pos and wanting to be heard is ridiculous. Nothing against you guys i don't even know you, it's just ridiculous to come over a game forum to complain someone doesn't like another game.

It's not that I'm not defending it with 'passion' it's just the fact that with your negativety you're downplaying a company's hard work, and deterring people from wanting to go to this game. So you're going to just bash it, and bash it, and bash it. That's cool, just keep the comments to yourself because "Omg see you guys in a few months, lol" Not only is that mean, but it makes you look ignorant of the fact that no matter what, XIV has potential to be a successful MMO. Unless you play the game yourself, I do not care about the stuff you pour out.

Put up or shut up

In this case, I wanna see you legitimately playing XIV and then giving an honest opinion, because "omg it looks like WoW, it's gonna suck" isn't good enough when judging a game, that's the most -bogus- excuse for a critique I've ever seen, and you have to -feel- it to actually get a tangible opinion.

[Camiie]

In my opinion, FFXIV's success or failure has little to do with XI's longevity.

Its success may not affect XI's future, but its failure certainly could. SE has a lot riding on XIV and if it blows up again then who knows where the chips will fall.

[OmnysValefor]

It's just one day, and there's several factors that could have been the cause, including people going back to school, but I know that server pops were about 30% lower than normal.

It very very very likely won't kill XI, but XIV will have a detrimental impact.

Even for the people who don't like XIV, some will realize that not logging into XI didn't kill them, as they suspected it might, and not come back to the game.

[AJ666]

lol, 11 will always be around untill the last person logs out for good...(and by last player i mean like when all the servers have been merged and your left with 1 server with 1 player) then SE might turn the lights out on 11, but not anytime soon, 11 will never die as long as it has a playerbase.

[Secondplanet]

lol, 11 will always be around untill the last person logs out for good...(and by last player i mean like when all the servers have been merged and your left with 1 server with 1 player) then SE might turn the lights out on 11, but not anytime soon, 11 will never die as long as it has a playerbase.

i can serious see it as what 14 was like before they started remodeling it, the only people left with be elitist in denial and RMT. I've canceled my 11 account since i don't like the direction of the game and won't trust 14 again and i've played every new beta they did, wasn't impressed.

[Volarione]

i can serious see it as what 14 was like before they started remodeling it, the only people left with be elitist in denial and RMT. I've canceled my 11 account since i don't like the direction of the game and won't trust 14 again and i've played every new beta they did, wasn't impressed.

why are you even here Then?

[Demon6324236]

why are you even here Then?In a way, I was wondering the same thing. Its one thing if you have faith in the company still and are willing to return if they swing back in a direction you agree with. But the way he sounds is that he flat out doesn't trust SE to make a game good anymore, and as such, he wont return, in which case really, that's when its pointless to post here.

[Spellcaster]

the OP have no idea of what he is commenting about/he never played ff14, every mmo have problems @ launch days but however... SE managed to fix the connection issues and login restrictions/server crashes before launch, now the game runs very smooth with no issues at all, and most of the ffxi players moved to ff14 and they find it better and refreshing

And no. ff14 wont fail, it got praised and lots of positive reviews, SE had to stop sales because they had to put new servers in order to accommodate the huge demand of people that wants to play the game because it's so good, and most of them are ffxi players. Please do some research before posting. I also notice lots of ffxi players that are on a mad denial, they get angry when someone post about ffxi being dead (it is).

Good luck, expect a server merge soon, leaving the game with just 10 or 9 servers only

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[Meyi]

I don't think FFXIV will be the death of FFXI. I think the death of FFXI will be the content that cannot be upgraded, like graphics and storylines. People want something new after 11 years of the same game. Granted SE has been doing a great job providing us with new content to explore and participate in (like Abyssea and SoA), but that doesn't fix the first four expansions before it. That doesn't change the landscape. And that doesn't change the fact that we have only sixteen models to choose from for each race (whereas FFXIV and other new games being published have a wider range of customization).

I was tempted to try FFXIV simply because of the new graphics, the new customization, the new adventure. Money is the only thing keeping me back right now. If FFXI could be completely revamped graphically while maintaining the familiarity, I think I'd fall in love with it all over again.

The honeymoon phase is over for Vana'diel. But that doesn't mean the time spent is miserable.

[Danita]

PS2 support = death of FFXI in the face of an alternative. Now that the alternative is here, death is imminent. PS2 support in 2013 is absolute madness.

[OmnysValefor]

A lot of people try to argue that with "Well they can't just make their customers upgrade".

In fact, that's what a lot of companies do. Systems that would run WoW balls-to-the-wall max-settings at release can barely/can't start it now. WoW isn't apologetic about that at all. A few other companies have done the same thing. It's just facts of the business.

[Damane]

FFXIV is fun in its own way, so is FFXI, i will play both for a while. Atm there isnt much left for me on FFXI until the next version update (ecxept for skirmish 2.0 gear), so FFXIV is a nice alternativ to bridge the time until the next FFXI version update and vice versa.

[Daemon]

I bought FFXIV when it first came out a few years ago. Horrible story to a horrible ending. However after watching Yoshi P and his vision come to life in the new ARR, watching so many vids and seen so many reviews, I decided to give it a chance and bought another collectors edition.

My issue is I hate playing off PS3. But then my computer was not built for games like 14. So rather than spend $700 on a hardcore game graphics card, I bought the PS3 version instead.

The game is different than 11. You really can't compare the 2 because FFXI is more of the traditional RPG game that I grew up playing since Nintendo era.

FFXIV is too much like today's standard MMORPG where people that don't have time can login and get things going instantly. Quests are made so you can progress fast and do stuff instantly.

In short its just too easy than what I'm use to playing.

Where as FFXI is time consuming, simple visually and requires hard work to do things.

Although today it seems Matsui is trying to give us a taste of today's standard MMORPG feel by releasing content that requires less effort giving everyone the ability to obtain higher power in the least amount of time. It's just not what I am use to playing this game for 11 years. And since Abyssea, I felt as the game started to speed up gameplay.

Anyways, FFXIV is not bad if you want to play something quick which is if you are the type of person who can only play 1-2 hours a day and expect to roam around and do stuff solo instantly then this is perfect for you. If you want amazing graphics and a variety of different choices such as highly detailed character creation etc, FFXIV offers that.

But if you want to play a game where graphics are simple, quests are harder, and doing stuff requires much more effort and time, then FFXI is the game that offers that.

[Vil]

Don't be fooled by the first few hours of XIV when it comes to difficulty. Yes its easy, but as you progress, the content becomes much harder. By level 44 you really need to know what you're doing or you won't progress.

Both games take hard work to accomplish things. It's just how much time you want to put in. XI's model requires you to drop 3hrs to form parties, while XIV's modern system facilitates grouping, eliminating that wait time. The challenges of the actual fight are golden, imo.

I will miss XI but I had some really good times on here. It still is one of my most memorable experiences game. X3

[Vivivivi]

Played XIV all weekend, came back and played 11, and you know what? I love both games.

[Daemon]

People want something new after 11 years of the same game. Granted SE has been doing a great job providing us with new content to explore and participate in (like Abyssea and SoA), but that doesn't fix the first four expansions before it. That doesn't change the landscape. And that doesn't change the fact that we have only sixteen models to choose from for each race (whereas FFXIV and other new games being published have a wider range of customization).

I don't think old content is meant to be changed. If anything they would add on top of old content to match the levels of the overall communities progress.

Certain things like salvage requiring 3 people to enter might be either a challenge or something the DEV team wouldn't want to waste valuable time working on something that's currently not relevant anymore.

DEV Team has to work on content based on where the overall population is at now. If 80-95% of the players is ilvl 120 and only a small portion of players are level 70-99 then it doesn't make sense to go back and alter that content when the main focus is the majority at ilvl 120+.

But yeah at this point of the game, DEVs are reaching the top of the ceiling and can't do more other than work around the limits preventing them to do what we want.

[Demon6324236]

Certain things like salvage requiring 3 people to enter might be either a challenge or something the DEV team wouldn't want to waste valuable time working on something that's currently not relevant anymore.Mythics are about to get upgraded to Adoulin levels here in the Fall update so far as we know, which means it will be relevant, also, the adjustment to Salvage to make it take less than 3 people, has been asked for and reasonable for as long as the level cap was at 90. Besides that, the challenge of an event should not be found in finding 2 other human beings willing to enter the event with you, if that's the challenge, or any part of the challenge, of an event, then something is very wrong.