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Makenshi
08-11-2013, 04:59 AM
I was just thinking about this yesterday and it left me wondering.

1. How do Galka's increase there numbers? Galkas reproduce through some sort of reincarnation. No one knows exactly how it works, but when a galka dies of old age he is born new.

So what about when they die in battle or die from disease? Surely over time one day they would all die out.

2. Do all Galka really come from Kuzotz? For a whole race its really not that big. Mithra have some place in the south that i would assume is bigger and the Elvaan are said to have an empire in the west (the far west i guess as Adoulin is no Elvaan empire).

Bearstar
08-12-2013, 03:18 PM
1. They will eventually. Once a Galka dies that's it.

2. I'd doubt it. As Quicksand Caves stretches across the entire island, I've always thought of it as a capital city.

svengalis
08-12-2013, 05:22 PM
Mithras are only females so they are in the same boat. How do they reproduce?

Duelle
08-12-2013, 05:53 PM
1. They will eventually. Once a Galka dies that's it.I think that's why KingFury suggested the thing with a curse placed on the Galka.

Tohihroyu
08-12-2013, 06:02 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/jess55598/ee50a952094a43c1d7e2bbf407a42f1e_zps110b9809.jpg

There be your answer.

But in all seriousness hers some lore.

Galkas were the first among the enlightened races to exist and create a civilization (on Zepwell Island). 600 years before the game.

1. *Headcanon* but what if there is a secret tribe of female Galka on the islands around Altepa? I mean if reincarnation didn't work out... Though what about the Galka in Audolin? unless I dunno Gratzeigg keeps a few locked up somewhere...

2. Well lore says they are, but I think maybe they are a descendant of the tribe of giants that where at the south of Quon (can't be Gigas they are from the North like Orcs, so...)


Originally a member of a tribe of giants (the Titans) who lived in the south of the Quon continent. The tribe was in conflict with the people of a neighboring city over the ownership and utilization of a forest. Despite their great physical strength, the Titans were eventually overwhelmed by force of sheer numbers. However, one day, a little girl called Daemdalus was looking for a runaway lamb in the forest. She stumbled upon what looked like the corpse of a Titan. It turned out that it was still alive, and, overcoming her fear, Daemdalus showed him compassion by tending to his wounds.

The Titan befriended the little girl, but it wasn't long before the inhabitants of the city found out what was going on. They captured the Titan and brought him back to the city. Daemdalus threw herself in front of him in a desperate attempt to stop him from being executed. Seeing her efforts, Altana took pity and called both their souls to the heavens. She transformed Titan into the Celestial Avatar of Earth. Daemdalus is the name of the brightest, yellow-colored star of the Titan constellation. And where is Cloister of Tremors? Altepa.

Daemon
08-12-2013, 06:14 PM
You guys never played FF7 or see the movie spirits within?
http://www.ffshrine.org/scholar/1_the_gaia.php

That pebble you threw away might be your friend D: or maybe a moogle delivered you on the doorstep of your Mog house..

Then again if you MPK'd that person and didnt get a raise, maybe came back as someone else evil full of rage..

Makenshi
08-12-2013, 06:55 PM
Mithras are only females so they are in the same boat. How do they reproduce?

Mithras are not only females. Males just don't go out into the world and stay at the mithra homeland. You see one of the males in WOTG.

Duelle
08-12-2013, 09:47 PM
1. *Headcanon* but what if there is a secret tribe of female Galka on the islands around Altepa? I mean if reincarnation didn't work out... Though what about the Galka in Audolin? unless I dunno Gratzeigg keeps a few locked up somewhere.Following the curse idea, my approach to it would be that the Galka once had males and females, and as civilizations tend to do, crushed an enemy species/empire in their rise to power. Before they vanished into the sands of time, this enemy cast a curse on the whole Galka race, slaying the females and limiting the race to only males, dooming them into extinction. After some time, the Galka found a way to preserve some semblance in the cycle of life: a pseudo-reincarnation that places the old galka's soul into a new body. This would not help them create new members of their species, but would preserve them as a people for as long as possible, all while searching for a way to break the curse (which is a detail they as a people are not too comfortable sharing with outsiders).

The only real snag in the idea is how would the talekeeper play into this. I never did the Bastok storyline, so I don't know if Raogrimm's role in galka society was explained to have come about after they left Zepwell when they lost it to the Antica or whether it was part of their societal structure all along.

Deifact
08-12-2013, 10:58 PM
Galka are sexy

Rustic
08-13-2013, 01:27 AM
This is what happens when people stop doing the older storyline stuff.

Galka never had "females" and perpetually renew their numbers by reincarnation. How do you get more Galka?

Well, every now and then a spirit that should have gone into one of the other crystals ends up in the Galka mothercrystal and...bang. "New" Galka.

Makenshi
08-13-2013, 05:35 AM
You mean they just pop up?

Rustic
08-13-2013, 06:10 AM
You mean they just pop up?

Basically, yes. They literally respawn, though in a "young" form that doesn't always remember everything at first.

Spectreman
08-13-2013, 07:18 AM
Galkas and Mithras are born when a developer puts them into the game and give them name. Hope it answered your question.

Tohihroyu
08-13-2013, 07:28 AM
Following the curse idea, my approach to it would be that the Galka once had males and females, and as civilizations tend to do, crushed an enemy species/empire in their rise to power. Before they vanished into the sands of time, this enemy cast a curse on the whole Galka race, slaying the females and limiting the race to only males, dooming them into extinction. After some time, the Galka found a way to preserve some semblance in the cycle of life: a pseudo-reincarnation that places the old galka's soul into a new body. This would not help them create new members of their species, but would preserve them as a people for as long as possible, all while searching for a way to break the curse (which is a detail they as a people are not too comfortable sharing with outsiders).

The only real snag in the idea is how would the talekeeper play into this. I never did the Bastok storyline, so I don't know if Raogrimm's role in galka society was explained to have come about after they left Zepwell when they lost it to the Antica or whether it was part of their societal structure all along.

There will be spoilers here so be warned!

Thats a Good thory too, but so far in Audolin those Galka have zero clue who the middlelands Talekeeper is, and rather then a Talekeeper they just follow the philosophy of "Talekeeperism" but I have a strange feeling Gratzeigg could be the Talekeeper Zeid talked about that "Could not handle the responsibility heaped upon him, and disappeared...never to be seen again." I'll post the whole thing


Zeid: When a Galka senses his death, he sets out on a journey to climb a high mountain and await his final moments. There, guided by a magnificent light, he gains a new body, and with that body climbs down from the mountain.

Zeid: However no one has ever seen this miracle take place. It may just be simple folklore.

Zeid: All we Galka see is one of our brothers setting off on a journey. Then, less than a year later, a new Galka child arrives in our camps.

Zeid: If they carry something with them from their previous life, they may be given their old name, but other than that, no reborn Galka have any recollection of their former selves.

Zeid: That is, all except one--one every generation.

Zeid: That one we call the Talekeeper.
After proving he truly holds two hundred years of memories, he is then appointed new leader of the Galka.

Zeid: Tradition binds this keeper of memories to his new position, and it is this tradition that the Galka have blindly followed for generations.

Zeid: This tradition is a great burden for those who must bear it. As you may already know, not one Talekeeper has ever lived long enough to set out on his journey of rebirth.

Zeid: One suffered from the fear that one day, he would lose hundreds of years of memories... Another could not handle the responsibility heaped upon him, and disappeared...never to be seen again.

Zeid: And one...one felt the anger of our race multiply within his heart until he could no longer control it, and finally became the Shadow Lord.

Zeid: The Galka need not be chained to this destiny. However, I feel the only one that can break these chains is the Talekeeper.

The first one if you didn't do the Dark Knight storyline is Gerwitz, the second I have the feeling is the Peacekeeper's leader: Gratzeigg (lol I probably keep spelling his name wrong) and the last is of course Raogrimm. Ether way I don't think *all* Galka ran for the middle lands during the antica invasion. (plus later on in missions you find out some Galka fled thru Kuftal Tunnel instead of Korlokka Tunnel, could have had a ship ready and took a long trip to Audolin)

Makenshi
08-13-2013, 08:24 AM
I wonder why Altana decided one race should have such a strange life cycle. Assuming every other race including the beastmen do it the normal way......oh god i wonder what a female Gigas looks like..........{Run Away}

Metaking
08-13-2013, 08:49 AM
she did not there souls cannot reach the mother crystal there linked to, like all the other races can when they die.

Duelle
08-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Thats a Good thory too, but so far in Audolin those Galka have zero clue who the middlelands Talekeeper is, and rather then a Talekeeper they just follow the philosophy of "Talekeeperism" but I have a strange feeling Gratzeigg could be the Talekeeper Zeid talked about that "Could not handle the responsibility heaped upon him, and disappeared...never to be seen again."The reason I mentioned the tale keeper was because if the tradition of following a tale keeper has been part of Galka society since the beginning of time the curse theory would simply not hold. If it is something that came about after they lost Zepwell or sometime before as a discovered side effect of their reincarnations, you have a hole in the lore for the curse theory to seem somewhat plausible.

FaeQueenCory
08-13-2013, 09:37 PM
I was just thinking about this yesterday and it left me wondering.

1. How do Galka's increase there numbers? Galkas reproduce through some sort of reincarnation. No one knows exactly how it works, but when a galka dies of old age he is born new.

So what about when they die in battle or die from disease? Surely over time one day they would all die out.

2. Do all Galka really come from Kuzotz? For a whole race its really not that big. Mithra have some place in the south that i would assume is bigger and the Elvaan are said to have an empire in the west (the far west i guess as Adoulin is no Elvaan empire).
The idea is that there's only ever X amount of Galka. They "reproduce" via reincarnating.
Why there are varying numbers of Galka is that the "missing" ones are "in transit" into being reincarnated.
As to needing to die peacefully.... that's not true. Otherwise... Raogrimm would never have reincarnated as Gumbah. The long delay in the Talekeeper's reincarnation is due to Raogrimm's soul being "stranded" due to his hate for humes (and presumably elvaan, mithra, and taru too).... but therein lies an little "quirk" because it's not that Raogrimm's soul is stranded... exactly... it's that he reincarnated into the Shadow Lord.
Thereby making it ???>>Raogrimm>>ShadowLord>>Gumbah.
So it's wasn't truly that his reincarnation was delayed.... it's that the Talekeeper was reincarnated in a place outside of Galka. (this could also mean that all Kindred are hate-filled Galka, as the sin of the Galka IS anger... but this is unlikely given that Diabolos is possibly a "true" Kindred of the Perfect World... Unless of course, Diabolos is different from his imperfect-world cousins... thereby making him no Kindred at all.)

Personally.... I like the idea that the Kindred are hate-filled Galka... and that Raogrimm, being the Talekeeper, became a super-Kindred (Shadow Lord) because of him basically being a "super" Galka. (all that extra spiritual baggage)
And the reason why Diabolos is not, is the same reason Cabuncle isn't a rarab.
Taken from Platonic thought, these two would be the Ideal in which all the "real" similar things take their distorted form from.
Continuing in that vein, Diabolos is a True Kindred... the Kindred we know are only imitators of the species that is Diabolos. (which then allows them to be Galka)
This is much the same that Phoenix is a True Bird. Carbuncle is a True Rarab(?). And Fenrir is a True Wolf.
Anything in Vanadiel is just a pale imitation/reflection of these True Ideals... hence, while in Vanadiel, They are Gods.
(and why if Carbuncle's plan were to work.... they'd become just the normal random encounter mobs.)

Rustic
08-14-2013, 12:51 AM
Of course, Odin was powerful enough to temporarily pull the Galka that was Raogrimm out of the "circuit" to end up in the Shadow Lord's body. It wouldn't be the first time he's made the deal, as the ToAU expansion showed. But yes, Galka don't go through the normal "recycle" of spiritual essences the other races do when they die.