What is the best DD?

[Puddings]

I want to be the strongest DD there is. Please tell me what job is strongest and why so I can be the best DD.

[Michaeluk]

It's not puppet master that much i can tell you :P

[Henihhi]

Hmm with a good player playing them, almost any job can be a great dd in abyssea.Hell even subpar dds w/ good atmas can pump out decent damage. Overall though i would have to go with war- because they can proc the most while still putting out great damage. MNK isnt too far behind on that list though so ya it is a hard choice. Outside of abyssea though I have always been partial to SAM, even though i never bothered to lvl it lol. BTW- love the sig- We need more bacon mages!

[wish12oz]

If you're compairing perfectly geared max level jobs with equal buffs and no consideration for how quick they die. Great axe war/sam with hasso up will out damage everything else.

[Lordskoll]

I want to be the strongest DD there is. Please tell me what job is strongest and why so I can be the best DD.

I correctly geared whm/nin with a KC is the best dd in the game

[Nvr]

Why even buy into this thread. He is just trying to stalk a big pointless debate.

[Syntex]

It's BRD singing bieber songs because it kills everyone within earshot.

[Cream_Soda]

Well, according to Byrth's math, it's Mythic drg vs Emp war.

Mythic drg ahead by 5% w/o looking at wyvern, but also not looking at retaliation (because can't rly model that when the mob should be swapping targets when both reach enmity cap)

[lowkey]

Hulk is strongest one there is!

[Auredant]

i say drg...my wyvern has outperformed other DD at times. ><

[RichardNixon]

DRG is the #1 dmg dealer on the block

[Puddings]

What about a ranger they used to be the best

[Cream_Soda]

Trololololol

[RichardNixon]

or DRK cause souleater is sick and they can get a 6-hit easy

[Haldarn]

Hey, don't discount us RDMs! Now that we have Enspell II and Haste and Chante du Cygne and Banish, we're real contenders for top DD.

[Byrth]

Mythic DRG and Empyrean WAR were just the only two I modeled because someone asked. I don't know if there's another job that's better than either.

I'd guess that the "best theoretical DD" is going to depend heavily on buffs and whether or not you're in Abyssea.

[TearValerin]

It's true though, Mythic drg and Empyrean war are the top dogs, I'd say mnk and nin are a good tie for second, Hi and VS are pretty deadly too. Though, OAT high damage weapon with a huge % boost in damage to our best ws is pretty scary.

[RichardNixon]

the 6.9k there shows how good drg is really

[Cream_Soda]

the 6.9k there shows how good drg is really
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't that mob take a lot more damage than normal?

[Ramsos]

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't that mob take a lot more damage than normal?

Ive broken 10k on that mob as blu, does that mean the blu > drg?

[Zeroe]

I would say DRG or DRK. Played right, either of them hit big numbers.

[Boldheart]

I have seen BLM's doing 9k damage Tornadoe's and 5k Blizzard V all day in Abyssea.

My vote BLM, SAM, WAR, MNK, DRG. SAMs are probably the fastest DD's.

[Ramsos]

I would say DRG or DRK. Played right, either of them hit big numbers.

Inside abyssea drk is a weaker DD than brd or whm. Outside its still weaker than drg/war/nin/mnk/sam/blu/pup/thf/dnc (not in any particular order).

[Nidhogg]

While I don't play the game much, just once every 4 days or so, I tend to find a bunch of Warriors and Samurai around when I'm playing.

But Black Mages really get on my bad side when they try and sneak attack trick attack Burst II along with Paladins with Flash... My eyes will never be the same.

[TearValerin]

Ive broken 10k on that mob as blu, does that mean the blu > drg?

It has 50% resist to polearms, only 12.5% resist to swords, magic is another story. Wish12oz made the same mistake in another thread when bragging about his blade:hi.

[RichardNixon]

DRK is still top dog in/outside of abyssea if you play it right, i have out DD'd MNKs with my torcleavers. just gotta sub thf and save to 300TP then BOOM 6.7k WS

[Ramsos]

It has 50% resist to polearms, only 12.5% resist to swords, magic is another story. Wish12oz made the same mistake in another thread when bragging about his blade:hi.

Should put a disclaimer on your sig then.

[Michaeluk]

While I don't play the game much, just once every 4 days or so, I tend to find a bunch of Warriors and Samurai around when I'm playing.

But Black Mages really get on my bad side when they try and sneak attack trick attack Burst II along with Paladins with Flash... My eyes will never be the same.

I vote this guy Nidhogg for the best dd :D

[Zeroe]

drg/war/nin/mnk/sam/blu/pup/thf/dnc
True maybe some of those, but drk with a sub or war can use stacked statistics to make major damage.

[pheare]

BST Is the most powerful. They are so powerful plus you have really powerful pet that gets atmas too. If you add both of them up they would do the most damage out of any job!!

[Greatguardian]

I want to be the strongest DD there is. Please tell me what job is strongest and why so I can be the best DD.

You want to be the very best?

Like no one ever was?

[Auredant]

BST Is the most powerful. They are so powerful plus you have really powerful pet that gets atmas too. If you add both of them up they would do the most damage out of any job!!
I would put a top geared drg and his pet against a top geared bst and his anyday

[RichardNixon]

I would put a top geared drg and his pet against a top geared bst and his anyday

DRK would win with souleater

[pheare]

I would put a top geared drg and his pet against a top geared bst and his anyday

Yes and no.

I think that without pets DRG would outdamage a BST.

From what I've seen though, wyverns are pretty weak pets.

If you choose the right jug pet the total damage of BST+PET would win by a fair amount.

[Porcius]

10k fudo, end of thread

[wish12oz]

It has 50% resist to polearms, only 12.5% resist to swords, magic is another story. Wish12oz made the same mistake in another thread when bragging about his blade:hi.

Actually I was stating it was a bad blade hi and I used a terrible weapon for the jin, you should learn how to read.

[Ramsos]

It has 50% resist to polearms, only 12.5% resist to swords, magic is another story. Wish12oz made the same mistake in another thread when bragging about his blade:hi.

Actually, doesnt mictlantecuhtli take 200% physical damage when casting? Even with losing 50% you would still be doing 150% extra damage. I can do 7k on neutral mobs with drakes and I dont even have a relic/mythic/emp.

[wish12oz]

Actually, doesnt mictlantecuhtli take 200% physical damage when casting? Even with losing 50% you would still be doing 150% extra damage. I can do 7k on neutral mobs with drakes and I dont even have a relic/mythic/emp.

I would be willing to bet that when it takes extra damage it cancels all damage type mitigation myself.

[TearValerin]

I would be willing to bet that when it takes extra damage it cancels all damage type mitigation myself.

Bad Hi or not, its still doing 37.5% more damage unresisted, +% damage taken does not remove the natural resistances a mob has in place already. It'd be like if we tried to WS a skeleton that had -25% damage from slashing/pierce, but still had +100% damage taken, it isnt going to be an automatic +75% damage taken, it's going to be +100% after the resistance is calculated.


Actually, doesnt mictlantecuhtli take 200% physical damage when casting? Even with losing 50% you would still be doing 150% extra damage. I can do 7k on neutral mobs with drakes and I dont even have a relic/mythic/emp.
I call BS, no drg can average more than 3.5-4.5k with drakes, random 5-6k spikes maybe on lucky triple attacks, but no way in hell you are hitting 7k on nonpiercing weakness mobs.

[Greatguardian]

Bad Hi or not, its still doing 37.5% more damage unresisted, +% damage taken does not remove the natural resistances a mob has in place already. It'd be like if we tried to WS a skeleton that had -25% damage from slashing/pierce, but still had +100% damage taken, it isnt going to be an automatic +75% damage taken, it's going to be +100% after the resistance is calculated.

So, are you this guy? http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Aisubeki

[wish12oz]

Bad Hi or not, its still doing 37.5% more damage unresisted, +% damage taken does not remove the natural resistances a mob has in place already. It'd be like if we tried to WS a skeleton that had -25% damage from slashing/pierce, but still had +100% damage taken, it isnt going to be an automatic +75% damage taken, it's going to be +100% after the resistance is calculated.

Can you prove that? Or is how you know super secret like your characters name?

[MarkovChain]

Well, according to Byrth's math, it's Mythic drg vs Emp war.

Mythic drg ahead by 5% w/o looking at wyvern, but also not looking at retaliation (because can't rly model that when the mob should be swapping targets when both reach enmity cap)
If you go the AM3 mythic road it could be pup seing as stringing pummel + kenkonken is not too far from verethragna with just AM1. The problem is that AM3 is unusable 100% of the time.

[TearValerin]

Can you prove that? Or is how you know super secret like your characters name?

It's common sense, it isn't going to be subtracted from amplified damage, that would be just plain stupid.

@ GG, nope, aint me.

[Neofire]

It's BRD singing bieber songs because it kills everyone within earshot.
Lmao, 20 points for that one lol. On top though, in abyssea its War/Sam outside of it I think blu/thf is.

[Greatguardian]

It's common sense, it isn't going to be subtracted from amplified damage, that would be just plain stupid.

@ GG, nope, aint me.

Don't believe you.

Regardless, Haste/Slow work the same way (50% haste + 25% slow = 25% haste), so it's not implausible that DT is additive instead of multiplicative. In fact I'm fairly sure it's additive.

[TearValerin]

Don't believe you.

Regardless, Haste/Slow work the same way (50% haste + 25% slow = 25% haste), so it's not implausible that DT is additive instead of multiplicative. In fact I'm fairly sure it's additive.

Believe whatever you want, that person is a low level female taru that runs around on whm. Make a mule on Asura and look, I run a mithra.

[wish12oz]

Don't believe you.

Regardless, Haste/Slow work the same way (50% haste + 25% slow = 25% haste), so it's not implausible that DT is additive instead of multiplicative. In fact I'm fairly sure it's additive.

I think its more like the effects of the spell slow and haste. Having haste (+damage) cast on you while you have slow(-damage) would overwrite and cancel out the slow.

Again I ask, can you prove how it works? Saying it's common sense is not proving that's how it works.

[Greatguardian]

Believe whatever you want, that person is a low level female taru that runs around on whm. Make a mule on Asura and look, I run a mithra.

So it's someone's mule? That or I managed to piss off someone playing a low level female taru on Asura, talking about damage numbers and e-peening, who seems to grasp basic mechanics well enough to have decent "what if" sets. I don't think such a person exists :(

Edit: I also cannot run and look at your character on Asura if I do not know your name :(

[Byrth]

If you go the AM3 mythic road it could be pup seing as stringing pummel + kenkonken is not too far from verethragna with just AM1. The problem is that AM3 is unusable 100% of the time.

Also, Kenkonken AM3 only procs once per round (not once per fist).

[Andylynn]

So it's someone's mule? That or I managed to piss off someone playing a low level female taru on Asura, talking about damage numbers and e-peening, who seems to grasp basic mechanics well enough to have decent "what if" sets. I don't think such a person exists :(

Edit: I also cannot run and look at your character on Asura if I do not know your name :(

tear is just some poser, olfar is the one and only relic spear owner on asura to date, unless some JP has one and gone unnoticed. i can tell because that editted buzzfly crap was mine. dude must've just googled and photoshopped damage. let me look for the original.

[wish12oz]

tear is just some poser, olfar is the one and only relic spear owner on asura to date, unless some JP has one and gone unnoticed. i can tell because that editted buzzfly crap was mine. dude must've just googled and photoshopped damage. let me look for the original.

orly? （´・ω・｀）

[Andylynn]

orly? （´・ω・｀）

yes rly. look http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/_hinata/dfgds.jpg
he stole my picture, and editted out my name.

[Greatguardian]

yes rly. look http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/_hinata/dfgds.jpg
he stole my picture, and editted out my name.

Oh. My. Bacon.

[Andylynn]

i would suggest just ignoring him, that sig of his currently looks totally bad as well. #1 the spacing is off, #2 the numbers in the damage are formatted incorrectly.. i could go on, but it looks like a hackjob in MS paint.

[RichardNixon]

ROUND 2






FIGHT!

[Miera]

It's not puppet master that much i can tell you :PDOWN WITH THE PUP HATERS!!!

[wish12oz]

yes rly. look http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/_hinata/dfgds.jpg
he stole my picture, and editted out my name.

ωωωωωωωωωωωωωωω

Honestly I was thinking his current sig looks off too, but I doubt anyone would believe me if I tried to point it out, plus you could just say its obviously photoshop'd (blurred out name) and they saved at low quality (which they did) and that's the reason for discrepancies. It's kind of sad.

[magnius]

Oh. My. Bacon.

That's mine. You cannot use.
Oh. My. Bacon.™

While we're at it, RichardNixon's sig looks shopped too. I can tell by looking at the pixels.

[Puddings]

So let me get this straight, dragoon is the best photoshop? Gutler bst being the best real DD.

[wish12oz]

If you want a serious answer, war/sam is best as long as you don't care about dieing.

[casual]

Kclub WHM is the best DD because you can hit 64 times on Hexa Strike.

[Kuishen]

Posting in an epic thread. Forging an e-peen. Awesome.

[Andylynn]

If you want a serious answer, war/sam is best as long as you don't care about dieing.

ryuno drg/sam is probably better than war/sam. huge chunk of war's DD comes from retaliation, if they aren't going off, bye bye DD chunk. along with 15% drakesbane boost, and a ridiculously high DA aftermath, its tp phase can match if not out parse an empy war on a good day.

[wish12oz]

I have been seeing the mythic drg is better thing a lot recently, I don't know if I believe it honestly, but if nothing else, for the average person, war is going to be better, because mythics are obnoxious to acquire.

[Miera]

BRD is obviously the best DD.

[wish12oz]

BRD is obviously the best DD.

Only if you count the increase it gives everyone else as damage it does.

[Andylynn]

I have been seeing the mythic drg is better thing a lot recently, I don't know if I believe it honestly, but if nothing else, for the average person, war is going to be better, because mythics are obnoxious to acquire.

rhongo drg, and corseca+2 drgs arent bad as well, they would probably be on even terms with war w/ ukon. i was just throwing out under perfect conditions on paper.

[Yugl]

Kclub WHM is the best DD because you can hit 64 times on Hexa Strike.

That sounds like an elitist statement. Using all that complicated math and stuff.

[Harpalina]

If you want a serious answer, war/sam is best as long as you don't care about dieing.

Lawl. I remember fighting spiders in Vunkerl Inlet [A] and I died every other battle...I spent more time on the sidelines than I did meleeing <.< And even then I still melee'd when I was weakened...it's boring watching other people kill things o_o

[Jar]

DRK is duh

[Yarly]

Kclub WHM is the best DD because you can hit 64 times on Hexa Strike.

No way, that's only the MAX number of hits you can do on hexa strike!

Remember kraken club is OCCASIONALLY attacks 2-8 times. I don't know how to do the math but each hit has only a CHANCE to hit up to 8 times.

We shouldn't be doing the math anyway, none of that elitist crap on here. These forums are clean.

[Puddings]

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?

[Jar]

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?


hell yeah and you can even equip that cane shotgun from house to your polearm and get a few shots in for a 67hit weaponskill.

[Puddings]

Does epona's ring add chance to triple on each of those 67?

[Jar]

Does epona's ring add chance to triple on each of those 67?

damn right it does.

[Yarly]

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?

only 24hits, actually

[Auredant]

So would a mythic dragoon offhanding a kclub do 64 hit drakesbanes?
I guess...if u could figure out how to equip a 2hnd pole and 1hnd club at the same time >.>

[Puddings]

sub dancer?

[Manicora]

Isnt it Obvious Rdm/nin with enspell and KC can do it all Heal/Nuke/DD/Run away

[Puddings]

Last time I checked enspell only does like 15 damage... Theres a dragoon here than can do 8500 all in one shot that has to be much better.

[Miera]

MOAR LIEK A RNG AND A KC.

lol Capslock {Do you need it?}

[Alkimi]

damn right it does.

But what if you're level 88 and dual wielding Octave and Kraken Club?

[Puddings]

Then you are the strongest

[Ilax]

THF are crazy DD in abyssea. ~6k Evis, super quick TP, triple damage often, high evasion/parrying, decent Subtle Blow. Me and my friend kill Glavoid <5 min (2x thf)

I saw crazy ninja too with Emp. weapon, they probably leading as best DD. :P (they Subtle Blow V + Myoshu: Ichi = Amazing) I saw a ninja solo kill Bennu.... and i was shocked, Bennu did max 1 WS the entire fight lol

(Again depend how you see BEST DD) if is only BEST Peek DMG then i guess BLM (saw SS with 13k+ dmg)

I base Best DD with: Survivability, DoT, WS dmg

[Puddings]

Thanks for that lovely information

[Jar]

THF are crazy DD in abyssea. ~6k Evis, super quick TP, triple damage often, high evasion/parrying, decent Subtle Blow. Me and my friend kill Glavoid <5 min (2x thf)

I saw crazy ninja too with Emp. weapon, they probably leading as best DD. :P (they Subtle Blow V + Myoshu: Ichi = Amazing) I saw a ninja solo kill Bennu.... and i was shocked, Bennu did max 1 WS the entire fight lol

(Again depend how you see BEST DD) if is only BEST Peek DMG then i guess BLM (saw SS with 13k+ dmg)

I base Best DD with: Survivability, DoT, WS dmg

ima burst you bubble and tell you that you can get to capped subtle blow on thf too because it caps at 50 and 50 is 50% so he was still feeding half the TP he was.

[TimeMage]

Also, Kenkonken AM3 only procs once per round (not once per fist).

I'm not sure, maybe they fixed that in the same update that fixed the same issue with the OA2/OA3 magian weapons. But now that I think of it, SP can only get an additional 1 fTP from the aftermath since it's already a 7 hit WS and there's the 8-hit cap per round (6 hit WS+the extra hit for being H2H, if I'm not mistaken).

Then again, the automaton would gain DA too, and with the RNG automaton, that's a lot of additional 2K Armor Piercers...

[Ilax]

ima burst you bubble and tell you that you can get to capped subtle blow on thf too because it caps at 50 and 50 is 50% so he was still feeding half the TP he was.

hehe don't ask me how... but Bennu was not using TP move, i said it in my post, i got shocked, he had weird sub job also, i can't remember maybe something like /mnk, his only source of healing was temp item. [keep in mind Bennu have a terrible Terror move] You won't see often a nin attempt to solo this NM, and chance you see one success is probably rare as win a kclub lol.

[Rambus]

depends on gear and such but war/sam with emp GA is prob the best DD in abyssea.

outside?
no clue

[casual]

So, he brewed it and you are too stupid to realize this is what I'm seeing.
ediit: Also there is absolutely no way a THF is regularly doing 6K evis, sorry.

[Ilax]

depends on gear and such but war/sam with emp GA is prob the best DD in abyssea.

outside?
no clue

As much i would like to argue on this, i just can't =/ I see a tons of people saying how WAR with Emp GA is the crazy DD, but never saw one in action :(

What about Survivability? (because all i know is WAR used to be a paper tank.)

Of course i do feel cleave on my war, is fun to see bunch of mob dropping like fly, just hope is not reason people say WAR best DD -.- (in some sense they are for CHEST burn, EXP burn)

[Ilax]

So, he brewed it and you are too stupid to realize this is what I'm seeing.
ediit: Also there is absolutely no way a THF is regularly doing 6K evis, sorry.

Nope, 3.5~6k is what i do constant (I have lol-mandau lv90) Was talking about peek dmg on Evis, my average is ~4k

[Vinc]

What are you averaging 4k on, I find that to be incredibly unbelievable. Are you eyeballing?

[Rambus]

As much i would like to argue on this, i just can't =/ I see a tons of people saying how WAR with Emp GA is the crazy DD, but never saw one in action :(

What about Survivability? (because all i know is WAR used to be a paper tank.)

Of course i do feel cleave on my war, is fun to see bunch of mob dropping like fly, just hope is not reason people say WAR best DD -.- (in some sense they are for CHEST burn, EXP burn)

retaliation cure bomb me,
sword/sheild in PDT, that hurt? lol

[Ilax]

What are you averaging 4k on, I find that to be incredibly unbelievable. Are you eyeballing?

nah just have very good gear... Is kinda sad too, can ask anyone that know me... I can only WS if mob @ 100% HP >< or it end to be ruby light, kinda only part that piss me off, and even with mob @ 100% i managed many time to 1 shot it... For NM then the story is just a little bit different, but not that much, i still average very high on WS, again depend what NM, no worry Evis fail again undead mob... doubt i learned you anything new here.

[wish12oz]

ima burst you bubble and tell you that you can get to capped subtle blow on thf too because it caps at 50 and 50 is 50% so he was still feeding half the TP he was.

Pretty sure the ninja spells myoshu and yurin let you break the cap, but don't quote me on that.

[Vinc]

nah just have very good gear... Is kinda sad too, can ask anyone that know me... I can only WS if mob @ 100% HP >< or it end to be ruby light, kinda only part that piss me off, and even with mob @ 100% i managed many time to 1 shot it... For NM then the story is just a little bit different, but not that much, i still average very high on WS, again depend what NM, no worry Evis fail again undead mob... doubt i learned you anything new here.

Do you mind posting or linking me to your Evisceration set, and perhaps giving me an example mob: i.e. decent challenge birds in Misa. Coast, what buffs do you usually have, etc?

[Ilax]

main "Mandau"; (Lv90 full upgraded)
sub "Triplus Dagger";

ring1 "Thundersoul Ring";
ring2 "Rajas Ring";

ear1 "Hollow Earring";
ear2 "Kemas Earring";

feet "Rager Ledelsens";
Legs "Tumbler Trunks"; (Too bad no heca.sub+1)
back "Atheling Mantle";

hands "Raid. Armlets +2";
body "Loki's Kaftan";
waist "Shadow Belt"; (also using Anguinus Belt)
neck "Shadow Gorget";
head "Aias Bonnet";
range "Raider's Bmrng.";

[Shakuzen]

:P

If you want to be the 'best DD' you don't ask the player base; everybody will, naturally have some very strong opinions.
www.ffxiclopedia.org
I'd say do research on every job. Thoroughly. After which, decide which job you think you could do the best damage on
and play it. Get the best gear and stuff and off you go.
On that note I'd have to say mythic DRG and emp WAR at the moment. Although you can never tell with SE, they might bring out a weapon for BRD 2 months before they shut the servers down permanently...
'DMG: 250 Delay: 1
Additional effect: 1000 points of damage upon a successful hit.
Occ. attacks 2-10 times
Jobs: BRD'
(Couldn't think of a name xD)
But hey, it's all opinion...

[Ilax]

Best DD is the guy that turned off all server, he one shoted over 500k player, all NM/Mob from all zone.

His main weapon: Finger
TP move: Snap the breaker.

Imagine if he would get his sword out!!

[Manicora]

So, he brewed it and you are too stupid to realize this is what I'm seeing.
ediit: Also there is absolutely no way a THF is regularly doing 6K evis, sorry.
I agree with you
I only do 1500-3500 Evis on thf, I'm not well geard but most ive seen is 6k with Top WS gear.
1 Ls mate has lvl 85 relic and he cant break 2k most times with Str atma. so umm Video it plz if you hit anything above 4k

[Manicora]

ok, Haste + Doub/trip att+ Store Tp = Monk then nin then thf for how fast they can WS. Emp Weapon max ive seen on a Nin is 6k Max on a monk @ 90 is 9k Max ive seen on a WAR is 7k check youtube vids for "War solo Sedna" for exact numbers but War isnt best 1 on 1, there best at Fell cleave. and for over all Damage Level Blue mage 10k damage in 10 sec.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Max Ukko's I've seen posted was 11-12k iirc? Was versus Glavoid, all crits +DA/TA to be sure. Max Jishnu's I've seen posted is 9.8k I believe, don't know if someone posted higher.

[Khajit]

Why is there no mention of bacon mage damage?
After BCN it's probably war/sam though.

[Valaris]

out of the sam, war and drk that i have drk seems to do the most dmg per hit ranging from 300-400 per hit and 700-800 on a crit in abyssea but my war has the hardest hitting WS out of the 3.

[NightDagger]

I correctly geared whm/nin with a KC is the best dd in the game

agreed, can be best DD in game if geared correctly & has KC.

[Harpalina]

Why is there no mention of bacon mage damage?
After BCN it's probably war/sam though.

Oh my goodness Bacon Mage has such a huge following lol...

[Puddings]

Should have made it clear best dd aside from bacon mage

[Morgantisthedon]

Depends on the situation and mob you are fighting realy. I love warrior personaly FC is ubber aoe killer along with blu and blm but when you can take 5 bsts and beat up kirin with out help in non zurg format in less 10 mins.... Its hard to tell. Each job has its ups and downsides or soloablity. Play how you want and enjoy the game thats what matters :) knowing your job and how it is used always rember skill > gear also :)

[Puddings]

Bacon > skill > gear

[Willowrose]

I can assure you all that the war/sam that comes and pumps out massive damage the first 5 seconds of a fight, isn't going to end up being the highest DD in the group by the end of the fight. Know why? Cause he's dead after that first weapon skill and my whm butt is over here trying to keep the party alive. I don't have time to raise him mid fight. So he got off one awesome weapon skill, and the taru brd over there swinging a dagger out damaged the war at the end of the fight. Speaking as a 7 year whm veteran, I can assure you, those people that think just cause they can pop out one 6 k weapon skill and then spend the rest of the fight dead or hiding in a corner weakened means they are ubber are definitely not ubber. Pretty fail if you ask me. Blms are the same freaking way. You don't start a fight out with Firaja and expect to live through it. Trust me, I'll take a sam pumping out 2k weapon skills regularly and surviving the fight over a 6k weapon skill and then death any day of the week.

[Kazen]

Going to go ahead and call that a lie, or at the very least extremely misguided information. The emp group I'm in consists of war, sam, whm, thf and guess who the tank normally is? With 4 people we have no issues killing anything in abyssea.

[Jar]

yeah i have WHM and i have to literally let someone die unless it 1 shots them..

[Kazen]

Maybe it's also because me and the war aren't retarded; we both have PDT and MDT sets.

[Yarly]

I can assure you all that the war/sam that comes and pumps out massive damage the first 5 seconds of a fight, isn't going to end up being the highest DD in the group by the end of the fight. Know why? Cause he's dead after that first weapon skill and my whm butt is over here trying to keep the party alive. I don't have time to raise him mid fight. So he got off one awesome weapon skill, and the taru brd over there swinging a dagger out damaged the war at the end of the fight. Speaking as a 7 year whm veteran, I can assure you, those people that think just cause they can pop out one 6 k weapon skill and then spend the rest of the fight dead or hiding in a corner weakened means they are ubber are definitely not ubber. Pretty fail if you ask me. Blms are the same freaking way. You don't start a fight out with Firaja and expect to live through it. Trust me, I'll take a sam pumping out 2k weapon skills regularly and surviving the fight over a 6k weapon skill and then death any day of the week.

All I can see is a whm who doesn't know how to cast cure spells.

[Greatguardian]

All I can see is a whm who doesn't know how to cast cure spells.

This. The WAR should have a PDT set. Maybe they only have 1/6 Abyssites of merit or something equally bad. Regardless, it's still not looking good =/

[Jar]

This. The WAR should have a PDT set. Maybe they only have 1/6 Abyssites of merit or something equally bad. Regardless, it's still not looking good =/

yeah unless it one shots them no way a war will die

[Genjo]

PDT? Not familiar with this particular stat.

[Jar]

PDT? Not familiar with this particular stat.

Physical Damage taken*

Also love your location lmao

[Puddings]

Why would you want to take extra physical damage?

[Jar]

Why would you want to take extra physical damage?

because your a DRK and it helps your emo

[Harpalina]

it helps your emo

LAWL. Yeah I guess that would be a valid point...

[Genjo]

Good one lol!

[Jar]

so this thread going to die now? i dont know how i can top that one.

[Puddings]

Is ridill still the best for war

[Greatguardian]

Is ridill still the best for war

Only if you are fighting Pork and offhand Bronze Skillet +1.

Occasionally slices 2-3 times.

[Harpalina]

Your Bacon Mage sig is so distracting...almost hypnotizing, even...

[Puddings]

I worked hard on my sig

[Jar]

I worked hard on my sig

metoo took almost 5 min to google it. QQ

[Puddings]

I had to google all the parts and make it in paint. Rough.

[Atomic_Skull]

It's not puppet master that much i can tell you :P

You'd be amazed at the damage Stringing Pummel does in Abyssea with RR etc. It's a much better WS for RR than Ascetics Fury.

I've seen PUPs brewing Rani do 8-12k Stringing Pummels (Don't mention Jinpu or any other magic WS, those are a big no-no on Rani)

[Ritsuka]

Blm has been and prob well always be the best DD in the game. I'm not a blm but its been like that sense day 1. It can do damage in or outside of Aby area's period.

[Andylynn]

wow this thread derailed fast over my nap.

1. the max you can hit is 8 swings per round, weaponskills included.hexa + KC is not going to do anything but give you awful damage because of KCS low dmg.

2. PDT/MDT sets practically hurt emp war's DD potential badly, they rely on a pretty picky set up in order to max gear haste and retain a 5 hit after ws.

3. drg has a similar af3 set bonus to war, at it gives you extra % dmg proportional to your wyvern hp, so @ 100% you get 2x damage strikes occasionally, which can stack with rhongomiant's aftermath, making it a plenty scary DD within its own right (since mythic drg is going to be beyond rare.)

i really think this thread comes down to ukko's vs drakesbane, similar wsc weaponskills, each with potential to do dasterdly damage. personally i love how drg makes all these ukon wars get out their calculators. much better than the whole loldrg scene few years ago.

[Kazen]

2. PDT/MDT sets practically hurt emp war's DD potential badly, they rely on a pretty picky set up in order to max gear haste and retain a 5 hit after ws.

You don't seem to understand... you only put the gear on for a split second for physical ws or magic depending. It's still loldrg when you compared Drake to Ukko but drg isn't a bad dd.

[Andylynn]

It's still loldrg when you compared Drake to Ukko but drg isn't a bad dd.

lolwat? drakesbane has pretty much the same potential damage cap as ukkos on perfect conditions. fights where it matters, drg is going to be swinging faster anyways, and out DDing you in the TP phase, (jumps can proc triple attacks and are affected by aftermaths from what i'm told, i've done a 2.1k ta jump before with contus.) those jumps can be equivalent to a free 100% tp bar inorder for a 2x light soloing with camlann's->drakes->drakes. etc. drg is no laughing stock compared to war and those who think otherwise are just plain ignorant.

[Gunit]

Does your drg not have a PDT/MDT set for some reason?

[Gunit]

lolwat? drakesbane has pretty much the same potential damage cap as ukkos on perfect conditions. fights where it matters, drg is going to be swinging faster anyways, and out DDing you in the TP phase, (jumps can proc triple attacks and are affected by aftermaths from what i'm told, i've done a 2.1k ta jump before with contus.) those jumps can be equivalent to a free 100% tp bar inorder for a 2x light soloing with camlann's->drakes->drakes. etc. drg is no laughing stock compared to war and those who think otherwise are just plain ignorant.

I play drg and not war. DRG is not really lol but compared to a ukkon war your not going to keep up with it that easily if at all.

[Andylynn]

I play drg and not war. DRG is not really lol but compared to a ukkon war your not going to keep up with it that easily if at all.

i really doubt that. people act like ukko's is some god send, whereas the best war on asura said he only average's 4-6k, not much different from my average geared drakesbane. i'm pretty sure FFXIAH users have heard of solara, pretty bad arse war from asura. pretty valid source to me.

[Jar]

wow this thread derailed fast over my nap.

1. the max you can hit is 8 swings per round, weaponskills included.hexa + KC is not going to do anything but give you awful damage because of KCS low dmg.

2. PDT/MDT sets practically hurt emp war's DD potential badly, they rely on a pretty picky set up in order to max gear haste and retain a 5 hit after ws.

3. drg has a similar af3 set bonus to war, at it gives you extra % dmg proportional to your wyvern hp, so @ 100% you get 2x damage strikes occasionally, which can stack with rhongomiant's aftermath, making it a plenty scary DD within its own right (since mythic drg is going to be beyond rare.)

i really think this thread comes down to ukko's vs drakesbane, similar wsc weaponskills, each with potential to do dasterdly damage. personally i love how drg makes all these ukon wars get out their calculators. much better than the whole loldrg scene few years ago.

cute you where actually thinking we where not making lul posts ...

[Gunit]

so the best war on Asura sucks? and again does your drg not have PDT/MDT sets for some reason?
Again I am not saying DRG sucks or is lol just saying war can out dmg it.

[Kazen]

You can doubt it all you want but Ukko's Fury is superior and I'm not even an Ukon warrior.

[Andylynn]

so the best war on Asura sucks? and again does your drg not have PDT/MDT sets for some reason?
Again I am not saying DRG sucks or is lol just saying war can out dmg it.

of course i have one, not that i use it often, my drg only tanks low tier nms for LS when seal hunting, and seigan usually eliminates the need for it.

solara's ws- http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/190886
tp - http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/37972
5hit restraint, and pretty decent ws set up, dude knows what he's doing.

[Gunit]

no zerg up/down build?
you have proof that you are out dmging him or keeping up with him?

[Robm]

I'm pretty fond of Ukon WAR myself

[Andylynn]

I'm pretty fond of Ukon WAR myself

cool story bro. drakes and VS can do the same thing with brew.

[Gunit]

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/16588/noob-sam-seeking-advice#1019161

One and the same?

[Kazen]

Nice SAM ws gear you got there... and by nice I mean terrible.

[Andylynn]

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/16588/noob-sam-seeking-advice#1019161

One and the same?

old account, old gear, from december, when i came back to FFXIAH from wotg days, had no idea what had gotten better since.

[Gunit]

old account, old gear, from december, when i came back to FFXIAH from wotg days, had no idea what had gotten better since.

Not tryin to hate or anything but I hope you have came ALONG way from there to think your on par with a ukkon war.

[Andylynn]

Not tryin to hate or anything but I hope you have came ALONG way from there to think your on par with a ukkon war.

oh, i have, my sam's in AF3+2 now, and almost done with masamune. it doesn't look as incredibly nooby as much by comparison.

[Gunit]

you have proof that you are out dmging him or keeping up with him?

You might have missed this.
Was more just wondering cause i just find it hard to believe without math to back it up.

[Andylynn]

You might have missed this.
Was more just wondering cause i just find it hard to believe without math to back it up.

i never said i out damage him personally, i said:


i really doubt that. people act like ukko's is some god send, whereas the best war on asura said he only average's 4-6k, not much different from my average geared drakesbane
drakes vs ukko's isn't much a difference:
2.25 ftp 2x hit 60% str vs 4x hit 1.0 ftp 50% str. they both have similar capped potential on an empyrean drg or war, the only major gamebreaker is the 15% damage boost on mythic, that might set drg ahead, but mythic drgs are beyond rare.

[Gunit]

ok so you're not saying your on par with a ukkon war. Sorry for misunderstand your post.

[Andylynn]

ok so you're not saying your on par with a ukkon war. Sorry for misunderstand your post.

yeah, i have alot of gear to improve before i am, such as finishing my +2 AF3, and rhongomiant, then i might be able to claim that easily. currently, no. my point was, ukkos isnt that much better than drakes to begin with.

[Coldbrand]

cool story bro. drakes and VS can do the same thing with brew.

Stop making Dragoons look bad. You're supposed to be a knight. Behave like one.

[Andylynn]

Stop making Dragoons look bad. You're supposed to be a knight. Behave like one.

saywat? FFs only example of a drg was kain in FF4, and he was a traitorous, backstabbing SOB. if anything im far from that poor excuse of a drg!

[Coldbrand]

Dragoons are also known as Dragon Knights (do the impulse drive quest) but the point is spouting out dead and tired /v/ memes affects community perception of a job as a whole (especially when you have giant sigs flaunting your job choice.)

[MarkovChain]

Does your drg not have a PDT/MDT set for some reason?

Mdt is a bit old fashioned. We are in abyssea and play the easy mode game. Cure VI spam go, invo -10. Not to mention that atmas of the easy mode allow you to cap a given element's magic evasion, if not all all at the same time for elites, if needed. Pdt is still useful for cleave.

[Cupofnoodles]

well you have to ask your self best dd over time or spike damage

[Kazen]

Mdt is a bit old fashioned. We are in abyssea and play the easy mode game. Cure VI spam go, invo -10. Not to mention that atmas of the easy mode allow you to cap a given element's magic evasion, if not all all at the same time for elites, if needed. Pdt is still useful for cleave.

Completely incorrect if you want to be efficient in any way. PDT/MDT sets will never become obsolete.

[Jalserba_Darkwood]

WHM DD FTW

[Kimble]

Mdt is a bit old fashioned. We are in abyssea and play the easy mode game. Cure VI spam go, invo -10. Not to mention that atmas of the easy mode allow you to cap a given element's magic evasion, if not all all at the same time for elites, if needed. Pdt is still useful for cleave.

Or you can have a MDT set and use useful atmas.

[MarkovChain]

Or you can have a MDT set and use useful atmas.

In which case it means that you can afford taking 50% more damage which means that reducing magic damage is useless ? Just for your info you can easily macro single element meva and paired with the appropriate barspell from a whm you will easily sit at 250+ at which point you have 50% resist rate at worst and 25% mdt from shell which destroys your lol mdt set. Stop trying to find excuse for having a mdt set. Either it saves little magic damage (200 damage is nothing, not worth the invo +10) in which case both meva and mdt are retarded, either magic damage is a threat in which case single element meva is THE way to go. There is no inbetween. Except maybe multiple element nukes, but that's when you can use multiples atmas for little damage speed sacrifice.

[Kimble]

With as much storage we have now, really no reason to not have a mdt set esp since it doesnt take that much to cap on a job like say MNK.

Using 2 Atma just for resist is going to cut into your DD output a lot. And I really hope you wouldnt use 3 Atma for resists.

[RaenRyong]

that's when you can use multiples atmas for little damage speed sacrifice.

Are we playing the same game?

Also why are you complaining about "invo +10" (which btw is a huge exaggeration) for a multielement MDT set while advocating single element meva gear? That's a lot more of an inventory leech...

[Jar]

bacon mage is the best

Any monster that would like to eat you can easily be distracted by your bacon magic

[MarkovChain]

Are we playing the same game?

Also why are you complaining about "invo +10" (which btw is a huge exaggeration) for a multielement MDT set while advocating single element meva gear? That's a lot more of an inventory leech...

Why are you complaining about element sets ?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Are you seriously trying to advocate 8 element resist sets and bad atma over MDT gear which isn't even 10 spaces and good atma? Seriously Pimpchan? I thought you knew better.

[Kimble]

How much inventory would you use for meva gear? Would you have one for each element or only a few?

[Tamoa]

Are you seriously trying to advocate 8 element resist sets and bad atma over MDT gear which isn't even 10 spaces and good atma? Seriously Pimpchan? I thought you knew better.

I sincerely hope that's sarcasm?...

Any DD/tank with a bit of a brain should have a -MDT and -PDT set. When you duo/trio NMs that cast high tier elemental magic, a -MDT set is essential. In this day and age, it's separate meva (wtf @ that abbreviation btw) gearsets that's obsolete, and not -MDT. Not to mention the fact that those really hurt your inv!

And ffs Andy, stop making Solara look bad by putting words in his mouth.

[hiko]

KC drk souleatering with HP atmas and a whm keeping him @max HP

[Andylynn]

I sincerely hope that's sarcasm?...

Any DD/tank with a bit of a brain should have a -MDT and -PDT set. When you duo/trio NMs that cast high tier elemental magic, a -MDT set is essential. In this day and age, it's separate meva (wtf @ that abbreviation btw) gearsets that's obsolete, and not -MDT. Not to mention the fact that those really hurt your inv!

And ffs Andy, stop making Solara look bad by putting words in his mouth.

putting what words in? he specifically said he averages 4-6k, clear as crystal. ukko's is not as godly as people like to claim it is.

[Tamoa]

Andy, you lost whatever credibility you may have had with this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3718-Andylynn-TearValerin-Not-sure-where-to-put-this

[Andylynn]

Andy, you lost whatever credibility you may have had with this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3718-Andylynn-TearValerin-Not-sure-where-to-put-this

and any idiot with a brain can see my photobucket album: http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/DScythe99/

[Tamoa]

and any idiot with a brain can see my photobucket album: http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/DScythe99/

Funny, when I right click on your signature and then copy picture url, this is what I get: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/_hinata/dfg.jpg

or: http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad265/Tamoa_photos/andylynnsig-1.jpg

and when I do the same on TearValerin's sig, this is what I get: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/_hinata/asdsfghj.jpg

or: http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad265/Tamoa_photos/TearValerinsig-1.jpg

Looks like the same Photobucket account to me.

[TearValerin]

He's had that same photobucket for years, almost 6 now. I know him IRL, assumed his character name from PWI, and used it to pretend to be something better than I was not, which was stupid to begin with. You can run a simple google search on my screen name, it goes back to another MMO called Perfect World, his Wafflechan account on FFXIAH is based on his archer on it as well. I am a thief, and a liar, and a pervasive abuser of my friend. My screw up, my photobucket, not his. I host some of his images due to having PB pro, and he doesn't thus sigs eat his bandwidth usage.

[Andylynn]

and there you go :P.

[wish12oz]

So you logged on your other account to defend yourself and we're suppose to believe that?

[Andylynn]

and i can log in and post instantaneously within seconds of someone else posting, really?

[TearValerin]

Let them believe what they want, I'm the liar, and the screw up. Not going to do much to repair/defend now.

[wish12oz]

ukko's is not as godly as people like to claim it is.

If Ukkos is not that good, why are you trying so hard to get an ukon and get people to level your war for you?
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/18892/looking-for-trade-off-ls-deal/

[wish12oz]

and i can log in and post instantaneously within seconds of someone else posting, really?

I have a partition in my hard drive, all I would need to do is DL firefox onto both, then open it from both and I could log into 2 accounts on these forums at the same time., then type out 2 messages, then click 'post message' on both within a second. Try harder.

And for the record I have 2 accounts for FFXI as well, and this is the method I use to play both at the same time on my PC.

[Tamoa]

Unfortunately, I can't submit posts consisting of 3 letters only.

LOL

Thanks for giving me one damn good laugh Andy.

[Andylynn]

I have a partition in my hard drive, all I would need to do is DL firefox onto both, then open it from both and I could log into 2 accounts on these forums at the same time., then type out 2 messages, then click 'post message' on both within a second. Try harder.

a partition on your hard drive wouldnt do jack. multiple windows would share the same IP for one. on top of the fact you can only have one account per POL account. also, what does a dumb post made over a month ago have to do with anything? do retarded people even read/check the date before they just randomly reference old posts? where in that post does it show me 'begging' to get an ukon or anything for that matter? stupid people fail at reading comprehension and just assume one wants everything handed to them, when i clearly stated it was something i could do for your LS, not me. but nooo people online cant read.

[NightDagger]

If Ukkos is not that good, why are you trying so hard to get an ukon and get people to level your war for you?
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/18892/looking-for-trade-off-ls-deal/

yeah that seems like a great deal >.>

Who would play an MMO & then ask for someone to level it for him?

[TearValerin]

Andy has the attention span of a kid with ADD. One minute he wants to work on Empyrean drg, next he wants to level war to 90, then ninja, back to drg, then Masamune, then pld, and it always changes every other day. He ended up getting the war to 70 and got bored >.>.

[NightDagger]

a partition on your hard drive wouldnt do jack. multiple windows would share the same IP for one. on top of the fact you can only have one account per POL account. also, what does a dumb post made over a month ago have to do with anything? do retarded people even read/check the date before they just randomly reference old posts? where in that post does it show me 'begging' to get an ukon or anything for that matter? stupid people fail at reading comprehension and just assume one wants everything handed to them, when i clearly stated it was something i could do for your LS, not me. but nooo people online cant read.

So they lvl your job for you (cause you do not understand how to play it?) and you make them gear? Best part would of been your war getting lvl'd and account getting jacked, strip & sold.

You have lost all your credibility by that post from over a month ago. Who would even want to have there name associated with yours now?

Say what you want, but i smell a thieving, gil buying, useless player!

[wish12oz]

a partition on your hard drive wouldnt do jack. multiple windows would share the same IP for one. on top of the fact you can only have one account per POL account..

If you can't do it because they share the same IP, use a proxy for one. Seriously, stop trying to be cool, we all know both accounts are you.

[Andylynn]

So they lvl your job for you (cause you do not understand how to play it?) and you make them gear? Best part would of been your war getting lvl'd and account getting jacked, strip & sold.

You have lost all your credibility by that post from over a month ago. Who would even want to have there name associated with yours now?

Say what you want, but i smell a thieving, gil buying, useless player!

irrelevant post is irrelevant? what did i steal, where has any mention of gil buying been stated? stupid post is stupid?

[TearValerin]

Acting cool? There is no reason to act 'cool.' I already messed things up, and came clean, nothing more to it.

[Tamoa]

Andy, you should stop posting (from both forum accounts). Stop trying to save face. It's not working.

[NightDagger]

If you can't do it because they share the same IP, use a proxy for one. Seriously, stop trying to be cool, we all know both accounts are you.

yes i agree it is the same person. Andy did not make a post or respond to any for 20 minutes. But 1 min. after Tear make a defense statement Andy responds?

Seems to me he was just sitting there writing with 2 accounts ^^

[Andylynn]

Andy, you should stop posting (from both forum accounts). Stop trying to save face. It's not working.

andy has no face to save. i'm not the liar here.

[NightDagger]

Acting cool? There is no reason to act 'cool.' I already messed things up, and came clean, nothing more to it.

Oh and another note. I love your avatars, you plan to choose the same?

[Andylynn]

yes i agree it is the same person. Andy did not make a post or respond to any for 20 minutes. But 1 min. after Tear make a defense statement Andy responds?

Seems to me he was just sitting there writing with 2 accounts ^^
your point? tamoa didn't make a response to my original rebuttal until 20 minutes, later. why do you think there was a gap to begin with, why not mind your own business, fail troll.

[wish12oz]

yes i agree it is the same person. Andy did not make a post or respond to any for 20 minutes. But 1 min. after Tear make a defense statement Andy responds?

Seems to me he was just sitting there writing with 2 accounts ^^

It's funny how yesterday as soon as Andy started posting Tear disappeared, and today they started posting at the same time. Also that Andy said Tear was a stupid person, and today they're suddenly BFFs.

[Andylynn]

It's funny how yesterday as soon as Andy started posting Tear disappeared, and today they started posting at the same time. Also that Andy said Tear was a stupid person, and today they're suddenly BFFs.

BFF my ass, dude is a freaking liar and a thief. why do you think i called him on his BS?

[TearValerin]

It's funny how yesterday as soon as Andy started posting Tear disappeared, and today they started posting at the same time. Also that Andy said Tear was a stupid person, and today they're suddenly BFFs.

Wouldn't you be ashamed if someone keeping your secret exposed you for a fraud?

[Andylynn]

Wouldn't you be ashamed if someone keeping your secret exposed you for a fraud?

well if you werent a lying ass, maybe i wouldnt have had to.

[TearValerin]

well if you werent a lying ass, maybe i wouldnt have had to.

What about trust, aren't friends supposed to have that to begin with? I asked you to do something, and you couldn't even do something so simple.

[Shiriokumo]

irrelevant post is irrelevant? what did i steal, where has any mention of gil buying been stated? stupid post is stupid?

you need to put a troll in your sig so you can troll while trolling.

[Andylynn]

What about trust, aren't friends supposed to have that to begin with? I asked you to do something, and you couldn't even do something so simple.

pot calling kettle black, seriously, i dont want to hear it.

[wish12oz]

Wouldn't you be ashamed if someone keeping your secret exposed you for a fraud?

I would never pretend to be 2 people and make up this crazy story you're attempting to get away with, so I have no reason to be ashamed.

[NightDagger]

It's funny how yesterday as soon as Andy started posting Tear disappeared, and today they started posting at the same time. Also that Andy said Tear was a stupid person, and today they're suddenly BFFs.

Yeah I have been getting a good laugh out of this thread. Been reading it daily since it started & thought that Andy was a joke all along. Just for him to prove it by having his 2nd character take the blame to save face for his main character is to funny. I would never come online and change my opinion like that for a friend. I tell it how it is and I have family & RL friends that play.

[Greatguardian]

He's had that same photobucket for years, almost 6 now. I know him IRL, assumed his character name from PWI, and used it to pretend to be something better than I was not, which was stupid to begin with. You can run a simple google search on my screen name, it goes back to another MMO called Perfect World, his Wafflechan account on FFXIAH is based on his archer on it as well. I am a thief, and a liar, and a pervasive abuser of my friend. My screw up, my photobucket, not his. I host some of his images due to having PB pro, and he doesn't thus sigs eat his bandwidth usage.

Oh. Okay. Andylynn is the guy (read: imflammatory namecalling) who made this gem of a thread:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/20057/greatguardian-do-you-know-him/

Ironically, this is when I was talking to TearValerin about how his sig was horrid damage! My gosh it's like you two are almost the same person.

[TearValerin]

I would never pretend to be 2 people and make up this crazy story you're attempting to get away with, so I have no reason to be ashamed.

I was tired of being a nobody on a place full of jerks, I thought I could be something here if I could retain anonyminity amongst the crowd, until my ego got the better of me.

[Tamoa]

He's been caught and he knows it. Just doesn't want to admit it.

And yes, please explain this post lol:


tear is just some poser, olfar is the one and only relic spear owner on asura to date, unless some JP has one and gone unnoticed. i can tell because that editted buzzfly crap was mine. dude must've just googled and photoshopped damage. let me look for the original.

because when reading this post, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever:


He's had that same photobucket for years, almost 6 now. I know him IRL, assumed his character name from PWI, and used it to pretend to be something better than I was not, which was stupid to begin with. You can run a simple google search on my screen name, it goes back to another MMO called Perfect World, his Wafflechan account on FFXIAH is based on his archer on it as well. I am a thief, and a liar, and a pervasive abuser of my friend. My screw up, my photobucket, not his. I host some of his images due to having PB pro, and he doesn't thus sigs eat his bandwidth usage.

[Shiriokumo]

I was tired of being a nobody on a place full of jerks, I thought I could be something here if I could retain anonyminity amongst the crowd, until my ego got the better of me.

http://tinyurl.com/4k5j2ax

[Greatguardian]

Oh and this gem:


No, I don't know what a Wafflechan is either.

[wish12oz]

I was tired of being a nobody on a place full of jerks, I thought I could be something here if I could retain anonyminity amongst the crowd, until my ego got the better of me.

If that was even remotely true, you wouldn't be saying this. It's out of character.

[TearValerin]

Well believe what you want, that's just how it is, regardless what you want to call it. I screwed up, so I'm packing up shop and heading out of here.

[Andylynn]

Well believe what you want, that's just how it is, regardless what you want to call it. I screwed up, so I'm packing up shop and heading out of here.

good, go away, drama starting bunghole.

[Haldarn]

Wait, are you telling me that ALL THE POSTS ON THIS FORUM ARE WRITTEN BY THE SAME PERSON?!?!

That would explain why there are so few ppl available in-game to do Garrison these days.

[Greatguardian]

Wait, are you telling me that ALL THE POSTS ON THIS FORUM ARE WRITTEN BY THE SAME PERSON?!?!

That would explain why there are so few ppl available in-game to do Garrison these days.

Naw just those two. When people realized there's no way he could have a Gungnir, he came in with his non-sock account to save the day. It's pretty B-A.

[wish12oz]

Well believe what you want, that's just how it is, regardless what you want to call it. I screwed up, so I'm packing up shop and heading out of here.

Take your other 2 accounts wafflechan and adynlynn with you please.

[Haldarn]

Naw just those two. When people realized there's no way he could have a Gungnir, he came in with his non-sock account to save the day. It's pretty B-A.
I'm afraid I don't believe you GG. Or should I say... Andylynn!!! :P

[NightDagger]

I'm afraid I don't believe you GG. Or should I say... Andylynn!!! :P

LOL

very nice ^^

[NightDagger]

I was tired of being a nobody on a place full of jerks, I thought I could be something here if I could retain anonyminity amongst the crowd, until my ego got the better of me.

so you are stating that you are dual boxing this thread & have been busted so will just give up & try this on a different forum?

[Andylynn]

so you are stating that you are dual boxing this thread & have been busted so will just give up & try this on a different forum?

dunno what he's doing, im staying here and posting whatever i feel like.

[hiko]

lot of stuff
lol. so with your post in footwork thread that sum to
using an elem atma
+ using footwork and shoulder tackle
+ gearing with subtle blow+50
+ using an agi atma for dAgi
= a little dmg speed sacrifice?

[NightDagger]

dunno what he's doing, im staying here and posting whatever i feel like.

good idea. So you wouldn't happen to have Spharai finished on your mule would ya? or is it the Verethragna?
doing 10k+ dmg on lvl 99 rabbits in East Ron.?

[Andylynn]

good idea. So you wouldn't happen to have Spharai finished on your mule would ya? or is it the Verethragna?
doing 10k+ dmg on lvl 99 rabbits in East Ron.?

mnk was mentioned where? you have a knack for the irrelevant.

[Rie]

His mule is dual-wielding them, clearly. He has two hands after all.

[Ilax]

omg why did i read the last 6 page =(

[Rie]

omg why did i read the last 6 page =(

Trainwreck effect.

[Greatguardian]

mnk was mentioned where? you have a knack for the irrelevant.

I wonder if posting with sock accounts is a mod-able offense. It is in pretty much every FFXI forum worth a crap. I'd bet it was simply overlooked when the forum was created that players may actually have active POL IDs on two different SE Accounts.

[Cenz]

Last time I checked enspell only does like 15 damage... Theres a dragoon here than can do 8500 all in one shot that has to be much better.

Lol ya but that drg's dmg was forged! I wouldn't put down the power of a monk with verethagna even outside of abyssea .... mnk/war is pretty sexy dot and holds its weight with ws. On piercing mobs Drg is gonna hold high no matter what .. i wish they would let me upgrade Valks fork that shit is sexy!

[Cenz]

http://tinyurl.com/4k5j2ax

wow i want that to be my sig lol can i steal it! that Sh*t is funny!

[MarkovChain]

Are you seriously trying to advocate 8 element resist sets and bad atma over MDT gear which isn't even 10 spaces and good atma? Seriously Pimpchan? I thought you knew better.

You are the one complaining about inventory issue, big surprise ! Cause when it comes to mdt all of a sudden, no invo problem. Sorry for trying to be efficient when taking magic damage damage. If you would rather stick to having 10 inventory slots for -25% mdt it means two things :

(1) You don't give a **** about the last 50% (or you would use meva sets) meaning you don't care about taking magic damage at all which is another way to say that you worked hard for your mdt gear and try to find excuse for using it.
(2) If 10 invo is worth -25% mdt then *I think* that 13 invo for -99% is worth it, but who knows, apparently you can't do basic maths.

And no you don't have to sacrifice atma, it's just that you are trying to find excuses (again) to justify an mdt set.

[MarkovChain]

lol. so with your post in footwork thread that sum to
using an elem atma
+ using footwork and shoulder tackle
+ gearing with subtle blow+50
+ using an agi atma for dAgi
= a little dmg speed sacrifice?

I don't "gear" myself towards 50 SB, it's like this even if I try not too. I don't use agi atma, agi is here (cruor buff, gnarled horn, lalala). And you are mixing 2 things I think, in two different threads. In one thread I talk about stun locking a mob (on monk) and in another about minimizing magic damage taken. I mean you can stun lock a mob that doesn't cast magic and you can minimize magic damage while not being a monk. //facepalm.

[Kimble]

You are the one complaining about inventory issue, big surprise ! Cause when it comes to mdt all of a sudden, no invo problem. Sorry for trying to be efficient when taking magic damage damage. If you would rather stick to having 10 inventory slots for -25% mdt it means two things :

(1) You don't give a **** about the last 50% (or you would use meva sets) meaning you don't care about taking magic damage at all which is another way to say that you worked hard for your mdt gear and try to find excuse for using it.
(2) If 10 invo is worth -25% mdt then *I think* that 13 invo for -99% is worth it, but who knows, apparently you can't do basic maths.

And no you don't have to sacrifice atma, it's just that you are trying to find excuses (again) to justify an mdt set.

Now im generally curious. Could you share with me the sets you use then for meva?

[Neisan_Quetz]

You are the one complaining about inventory issue, big surprise ! Cause when it comes to mdt all of a sudden, no invo problem. Sorry for trying to be efficient when taking magic damage damage. If you would rather stick to having 10 inventory slots for -25% mdt it means two things :

(1) You don't give a **** about the last 50% (or you would use meva sets) meaning you don't care about taking magic damage at all which is another way to say that you worked hard for your mdt gear and try to find excuse for using it.
(2) If 10 invo is worth -25% mdt then *I think* that 13 invo for -99% is worth it, but who knows, apparently you can't do basic maths.

And no you don't have to sacrifice atma, it's just that you are trying to find excuses (again) to justify an mdt set.

I don't have inventory problems, it takes 7 pieces or less depending on darkrings to cap MDT with capped shellra V, 8 with Rdm/Sch Shell V, and you are the one advocating elemental resist sets which are going to eat way more than 13 pieces especially if you're building them for each element you're commonly going to encounter, so no, I'm not the one with the math problem.

[MarkovChain]

Your only argument is that, for some reasons, you want

(1) CAP magic evasion
(2) CAP it on ALL elements

1) First, there are very little mob that are dangerous enough to care about damage taken that cast different spells elements. (which ?)
2)Second, out of those that cast several magic elements, some are dangerous ; for those you use 1 +100 element atma, 1 or two +INT atmas, 1 barspell from whm pr rdm, 2 carols. (which NM?). You can also only use one elemental atma and two DD atmas like for dragua, but I don't have info on other NMs yet to be certain I don't need more. This one cast one element but you get the idea. 3 element atma one barspell makes you immune to 4 elements, 2 carol and specific gears for the last 2.

Inbefore : lol nub you sacrifce double march and 3 atmas lolz. Seriously if you can kill it with -50% mdt total it's a pussy, check point 1).

3) NMs with dangerous spells based on 1 element : WTF would you use mdt ? For melee it's 13 gears at worst, for mage it's maybe 4 piece of gear which is MUCH less than mdt. There is this wonderful stat called INT. For those you can DD all out with 3 atmas.

4) On an IT mobs at 90, 300-330 ish is required to cap. Therefore 210-240 is only required to resist 50% of the time which in essence means that :
* barspell from a WHM (~150 ?)
* addle (30 ?)
* int from cruor above ~90 (30 ?)
is already enough to resist ~50%-70% of the time. Let's say you need those 210 meva for 50% rate. The mob's landing rate is therefore p=0.5 (50%) and you take
full damage : p=0.5=50% of the time
1/2 damage : p*(1-p) of the time
1/4 damage : p*(1-p)^2 of the time
1/8 damage : (1-p)^3 of the time
When you sum up it works as if you take 67% of the maximum damage, which you pair with shell5 for about -25% which ends up being equivalent to : 50% mdt.
Any piece of meva gear from there is a lot more performant that mdt, not even talking about the waste of invo called mdb.

If you bump your meva with just 2 earrings and one belt ( 50 total) in a macro which costs 3 inventory slots and is much less than mdt, and doesn't exclude it either btw, those extra 50 meva mean that before shell is accounted for, the mob now has 25% magic landing rate or equivalently p=0.25 which implies that you average 43% of the maximum damage, and after shell is acounted for it gives 32% which is equivalent to -68% MDT. This where I lol at your mdt build because my 2 earrings and my belt, totalizing 3 inventory slots, beat the crap out of your 10 inventory slots entirely designed to reduce damage to -50%. Also if you are a monk : byakko/genbu/susazu, belt and 2 earrings totalize 100 meva and they put you at cap. FOUR inventory slots, -86% mdt. additional effect : immune to slow paralyze petrify etc.

This what people call game mechanics.

[RaenRyong]

I can't say I understand the thought process behind most of that. You seem to be arguing for and against magic damage reduction gear at the same time while you've been advocating it in your past posts and ugh I hate pchan posts I'm just going to stop

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: Raen covered most of it, also no one brings Rdms because they're not wanted for lowman. I already said you don't need 10 slots, you're just being silly now.

[Alkimi]

Your only argument is that, for some reasons, you want

(1) CAP magic evasion
(2) CAP it on ALL elements

1) First, there are very little mob that are dangerous enough to care about damage taken that cast different spells elements. (which ?)
2)Second, out of those that cast several magic elements, some are dangerous ; for those you use 1 +100 element atma, 1 or two +INT atmas, 1 barspell from whm pr rdm, 2 carols. (which NM?)


So you want to DDs to sacrifice:

15% Triple Attack
Auto-RR3
Occasional chainspell
50 DEX
50 STR
21% haste
30% crit rate
30% crit damage
10% double attack
2/tic regain

All that to maybe take less damage from at the most 3/8 elements. Spells which are completely managable by a competent DD and healer even with a half-arsed MDT set.

Ok then, have fun hitting Rani for 0 damage.

Also, what's this 4 pieces of MDT gear nonsense. Assuming for PDT you have good dark rings, twilight torque, askar feet you can cap MDT with 1 more piece of gear (Avalon Breastplate assuming you can wear) if you have merited shellra V on.

[MarkovChain]

Rani is a ****. And the fight is anything but a question of DDing or maximizing damage output. Inbefore brew.

[Valefor4life]

MDT>MDB>ME

[Kimble]

Rani is a ****. And the fight is anything but a question of DDing or maximizing damage output. Inbefore brew.

Whats the lowest you done Rani with without a brew? What was the set up?

[wish12oz]

4) On an IT mobs at 90, 300-330 ish is required to cap. Therefore 210-240 is only required to resist 50% of the time which in essence means that :
* barspell from a WHM (~150 ?)
* addle (30 ?)
* int from cruor above ~90 (30 ?)
is already enough to resist ~50%-70% of the time.


Let's say you need those 210 meva for 50% rate. The mob's landing rate is therefore p=0.5 (50%) and you take
full damage : p=0.5=50% of the time
1/2 damage : p*(1-p) of the time
1/4 damage : p*(1-p)^2 of the time
1/8 damage : (1-p)^3 of the time
When you sum up it works as if you take 67% of the maximum damage, which you pair with shell5 for about -25% which ends up being equivalent to : 50% mdt.


So Pchan,
basically what youre saying is that my MDT set with bar spells reduces damage to
67%*0.5 = 33.5%?

OR
I can carry around 4 pieces of gear for each element to resist magic down to taking 14%?
lets see, 6 elements, 4 pieces of gear, 20 EQ slots? well I guess we subtract earrings for half of it, since theres 2 elements on each earring, so 16 spots? 14 spots?

THEN since theres no light/dark bar spells you would have to carry around your MDT set anyway for those? or another 10 pieces of gear to have enough to resist them?

This is assuming of course your math is anywhere near correct. I think I'll just stick with my 4 pieces of gear I require beyond my normal DR gear to cap MDR, instead of 4 for each element+whatever for light/dark, only taking 33.5% of the damage is good enough for me, I dual box my own whm after all, and 15% isn't really all that much.

[Greatguardian]

Rani is a ****. And the fight is anything but a question of DDing or maximizing damage output. Inbefore brew.

Says the guy who refuses to believe Briareus can be done with less than 6 people.

Oh Pchan, you so funny.

[wish12oz]

I killed Bria by myself at 85 playing nin/war+whm/blm, it's so weak. lol

[Yarly]

After 25 pages, have we found out what job is reigning champion yet?

[Greatguardian]

After 25 pages, have we found out what job is reigning champion yet?

Ukonvasara WAR/SAM is a safe bet. Ryunohige DRG/SAM is a potential contender, but I do not know if one of those even exists. Buff levels can make a difference as well, as even inside Abyssea getting full Haste buffs will cause NIN's potential to plummet compared to WAR and MNK (as DW forces them to artificially cap delay reduction and thus lose out on the benefit of added haste). At high buff levels, Verethragna MNK/WAR is a safe third behind Ryunohige and Ukonvasara. The rest just sort of fall into place after that.

[Siviard]

It's not puppet master that much i can tell you :P

It's not Michaeluk that much I can tell you :P

[Yarly]

Time to buy alexandrites before drg find out they're top tier dd with mythic lance!!!!!

[Dart]

Ukonvasara WAR/SAM is a safe bet. Ryunohige DRG/SAM is a potential contender, but I do not know if one of those even exists. Buff levels can make a difference as well, as even inside Abyssea getting full Haste buffs will cause NIN's potential to plummet compared to WAR and MNK (as DW forces them to artificially cap delay reduction and thus lose out on the benefit of added haste). At high buff levels, Verethragna MNK/WAR is a safe third behind Ryunohige and Ukonvasara. The rest just sort of fall into place after that.

for the love of god this, can we end this silly thread? lol

[Willowrose]

Yeah sure blame the whm when the war doesn't know how to gear himself. The only one I've ever seen obviously didn't. First hit he took was nearly a one shot. Hard to save him when he's taking that much damage at a time. I'm not a war. If you guys say there is gear to reduce the damage he takes, great. I'll be sure the next time I see one die in two hits that he needs to find that gear.

[Henihhi]

Why in almost thread do i see whms complaining it is hard to keep dd alive? with cureskin, almost unlimited mana and 2500+ hp ffs just toss the cures you aint gonna pull hate and die- unless of course said dd is too gimp to hold hate, then just aquaveil yourself and tank for them by self curing lol. <aquaveil is that nifty little spell that everyone seems to forget exists>

[Valefor4life]

Why in almost thread do i see whms complaining it is hard to keep dd alive? with cureskin, almost unlimited mana and 2500+ hp ffs just toss the cures you aint gonna pull hate and die- unless of course said dd is too gimp to hold hate, then just aquaveil yourself and tank for them by self curing lol. <aquaveil is that nifty little spell that everyone seems to forget exists>

Haven't you heard it's because the DD are blinking too much and ppl who don't know how to use macros.