ATTN DEVS: WE WANT NEW WEAPONS FOR 99 NOT RELICS AND MYTHICS

[Bahamut]

Post on this if you do not want mythics and relics to be the best 99 weapons in game.

Do you remember how hard it was getting people to help you get your AF 1 set of gear the first time around? It was bloody hard. Then at 75 all of that gear became second rate to wear, making its way to macro'd use because AF2 and +1 gear was the norm for lvl 75.

Relics by far was the most expensive, cut throat, drama, and painful thing in the game to get. Was it a faiir value of time compared to reward? Most definatly not. Even back in the early days of FFXI it wasnt worth (time spent = reward) getting because of the cost, and all that drama that surrounded getting one. But some people thought, since they want to have the best of the best gear, they would bow before the SE devs and prove they could get one. Your reward was you got to walk around with the best weapon in the entire game while you were 75.

The level cap was not raised for well over 8 years. Which is very rare for any mmo to not have a level increase in that amount of time. You were able to run around a game being the best of the best for that long depending on how early after release you got it. You had atleast a years warning that the level increase to 99 was going to happen. So if you chose to get your relic during that time, you had a fair warning that your weapon was going to be obsolete in one year, and you should try for it at your own risk.

Farming for O-hat was a pain in the butt. It would usually take days to get, then you had to get someone to craft your eyeballs, and an entire alliance to help you kill a monster for it. It was a pain in the butt to get everyone together to do it, but those who decided that they wanted to be the best of the best for head gear, went through all that trouble just to get the O-hat. Thier reward was being able to have the best head gear in the game for as long as they were 75.

The list could go on with every item that SE said lets make the (time spent = reward) so far out that it wasnt worth the time spent. SE did this with almost every aspect of the FFXI game. emp hairpin, lizzy boots, back in the day or when gil sellers would farm your sky spawn items making it weeks for average shells to obtain.

Things were not fun all the time to get and I really do feel your pain if you did not buy gil or step on people to get these items. I think what every relic holder should be happy about, is that these days of timespent does not equal reward are over and happy weapons like emps exist. That xp got easier to obtain. That people can have more haste easier now. That more people can be good geared and better hitting without spending years to get to this point.

If SE decides tommarow to make the best lvl 99 weapon in game accessable to everyone with only 1 or 2 months of farming mobs, whats so wrong with that? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in the game is happy and can help you fight things and missions with great weapons and gear? Do you have to be the only people who are better then everyone else based on an old system of time spent does not equal reward system? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in a shell is rewarded as euqally as you are?

If you want to take relics and say because of time spent wasnt worth the reward and apply it to experience points, well then by all fairness I should be asking SE to give me Ten Jobs for free because I leveled one Job to max lvl the slow time spent way.

I'm glad we moved past these days where time spent did not equal the reward and moving to a more time spent = the reward. I do not feel the need to ask for my time spent in those days to be rewarded in the days that are now going to be much much more worth time spent = reward.

[Dakota]

Your post makes absolutely no sense, the same as most of your other posts.

[RaenRyong]

I agree with some of this but ...


Do you remember how hard it was getting people to help you get your AF 1 set of gear the first time around? It was bloody hard. Then at 75 all of that gear became second rate to wear, making its way to macro'd use because AF2 and +1 gear was the norm for lvl 75.

On the whole, most AF1 gear was useless the second you obtained it. A lot of it even for macro purposes.

AF1: generally terrible
AF2: generally bad but the majority of new job (BLU/PUP/SCH/DNC) AF was really good
AF3: generally amazing, not sure there is one bad piece. WHM body is probably the closest you'll find.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I would love to see some new tp tier lv99 weapons and armor for level 99, and I am sure there will be, but we are only at 90 right now, so just give it some time.

[Henihhi]

I don't know where all these people get this time spent does not equal reward thing. Most shells i joined were point system so the more time spent= better rewards. I guess we just had it really good on seraph and LSes with dkp so if you did your time you did have the best of the best. And why i wouldn't be happy with someone thats only played 1-2 months having a top weapon? Because unless they researched the proper way to use said weapon, it is useless in the hands of an idiot so therefore they would not be much help in any fight.I am happy they are making things easier to obtain, don't get me wrong, but there is a point where you need to start checking the total package before inviting people to anything because everything is so easily attainable.

[Alhanelem]

Attention bahamut: One thread on this subject is enough.

Please, for the love of anything holy, stop the trolling. Your wants are not representative of the community as a whole.

[Khajit]

I don't know where all these people get this time spent does not equal reward thing. Most shells i joined were point system so the more time spent= better rewards. I guess we just had it really good on seraph and LSes with dkp so if you did your time you did have the best of the best. And why i wouldn't be happy with someone thats only played 1-2 months having a top weapon? Because unless they researched the proper way to use said weapon, it is useless in the hands of an idiot so therefore they would not be much help in any fight.I am happy they are making things easier to obtain, don't get me wrong, but there is a point where you need to start checking the total package before inviting people to anything because everything is so easily attainable.

The trick was(if you're the leader) to base what was killed on what you (& some friends)want and not what the people earning the most points want. That way if the points leaders want something they're stuck hanging around for you to kill whatever they actually care about. If some lesser item drops that they want they're forced to pick between keeping dkp for an item they should have had several weeks(and yes even months) before and upgrading their character with a different piece of gear. It's a win/win situation for the leader since if they bid on the less wanted item after get tired of waiting you open up the item they really want for your friends to get the drop from as they can now beat the previous points leader. If the points leader doesn't bid then you still have a person slaving away for nothing while you can snatch up drops. Then when you finally cant avoid giving the points leader the item they want you just skip the lesser items they wanted because everyone else in the ls has em so you can pretend they aren't important anymore. And so the cycle continues.

[Macrom]

Most pointless post ive seen.

I dont understand why there is an argument over what weapon is gonna be the best at 99

1. we are not even able to get to 99 yet
2. even if relic / mythic is a the best at 99 whats wrong with that?

Not bashing you but enough is enough already.

[Selzak]

CAPS LOCK MEANS I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE

[TearValerin]

Even at work I cant resist the urge to post here... NO ONE in their right mind wants this, you have two topics, and two posts of the same iteration, one was enough. Your crazy idea is not wanted by the community.

[Auredant]

Even at work I cant resist the urge to post here... NO ONE in their right mind wants this, you have two topics, and two posts of the same iteration, one was enough. Your crazy idea is not wanted by the community.
This anti-relic campaign is starting to border on absurdity

[wish12oz]

The only people who want relics to be the best are those who have them. Everyone else doesn't care or wants them inferior, and people without grossly outnumber people with. You people need to stop thinking everyone wants relic to be the best thing in the game.

[Michaeluk]

The only people who want relics to be the best are those who have them. Everyone else doesn't care or wants them inferior, and people without grossly outnumber people with. You people need to stop thinking everyone wants relic to be the best thing in the game.

It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.

[Auredant]

The only people who want relics to be the best are those who have them. Everyone else doesn't care or wants them inferior, and people without grossly outnumber people with. You people need to stop thinking everyone wants relic to be the best thing in the game.
That's not true..i don't have a relic but am working on it. And I don't think most people necessarily want them to be the best, they just don't want them to be useless.

[Henihhi]

I don't have a relic, and i still thinks it is retarded that SE has outdated them with this stuff. I wish i had a link to the press spacebar to win game, that seems to be what most people that post on these forums want FFXI to turn into. And please Bahamut, quit using "we" in your titles like you speak for everyone in the community. Because you do not.

[Joslyn]

With the redo of Dyn coming I think they should make it a bit easier to get Relic weapons, One way is to lessen the amount of ancient currency is required to upgrade, this will make it easier for people that want to get Relic weapons( I myself would love to get some then), With the way people set the price of the 100 piece currency and if your like me that doesnt really have a dyn ls that can go after what ya need it'll be much quicker and It would keep players happy.

Thats just my 2 cents...

[wish12oz]

It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.

I have better things to do with my gil then gain 5% on a parse, esspecially now with them being useless, sorry you wasted your time.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.

uuummm making a choice not to spend all that gil on a relic is not really "failing the game"

Would I like a relic? yes, and now that Dynamis is about to be more accessible, I might try and get one. But no way in hell was I wasting all that time for one weapon, I had other things to do ;p

[Futan]

That's not true..i don't have a relic but am working on it. And I don't think most people necessarily want them to be the best, they just don't want them to be useless.

This. I fully expected Empyrean to be better, albeit I also expected them to not be something you and your friend do over the weekend. But nonetheless, I'd be content if they were simply comparable.

[Michaeluk]

I have better things to do with my gil then gain 5% on a parse, esspecially now with them being useless, sorry you wasted your time.

Isn't wasted till we see what happens at 99. :D

Even if it is at least i know i had something you never did or could get and to me that speaks volume about you nothing but a silly little jealous scrub with a axe to grind because you couldn't get one boo hoo.

Done with this thread now aswell so bicker away all you want. Good day.

[Neofire]

Most pointless post ive seen.

I dont understand why there is an argument over what weapon is gonna be the best at 99

1. we are not even able to get to 99 yet
2. even if relic / mythic is a the best at 99 whats wrong with that?

Not bashing you but enough is enough already.
The problem with relics and mythics being the best weapons at 99 is that it shuts almost all the casual players out of the part of the lvl 99 content and that isn't fair because casual players enjoy the game just like everyone else. SE needs to give more variety instead just putting in "complete everything in the game" type of rewards.

[wish12oz]

Isn't wasted till we see what happens at 99. :D

Even if it is at least i know i had something you never did or could get and to me that speaks volume about you nothing but a silly little jealous scrub with a axe to grind because you couldn't get one boo hoo.

Done with this thread now aswell so bicker away all you want. Good day.

I never required a relic to outparse scrubs who acquired them. Don't believe me? Ask people who know me in game since you seem to know me.

[lorzy]

relics and mythics being the best weapons != relics and mythics being the only weapons

[Neofire]

It's only people like you with empyreans only who don't want relics to be the best @ 99 simply because you guys never got one, sorry you failed at the game.
[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).] Most people want to enjoy upgrading there weapons not having to wait 2 years begging people to help you. That's Why' relics do not need to be strongest weapons in the game.

[TearValerin]

The problem with relics and mythics being the best weapons at 99 is that it shuts almost all the casual players out of the part of the lvl 99 content and that isn't fair because casual players enjoy the game just like everyone else. SE needs to give more variety instead just putting in "complete everything in the game" type of rewards.

SE has previously stated they intended it to be that way, they dont want everyone to own one. They want only the most dedicated players to have one.

[Auredant]

The problem with relics and mythics being the best weapons at 99 is that it shuts almost all the casual players out of the part of the lvl 99 content and that isn't fair because casual players enjoy the game just like everyone else. SE needs to give more variety instead just putting in "complete everything in the game" type of rewards.
since when does not having the best equal being shut out of the game? why does everyone want the best of everything easy? Relics are not the impossible thing to obtain that they once seemed. With the changes in dyna upcoming and the faster and easier means of accumulating gil even casual gamers can get one...it will just take them longer. And since "ideally" the emp and relics would be comparable, you wouldn't have to.

[Rambus]

I agree with some of this but ...



On the whole, most AF1 gear was useless the second you obtained it. A lot of it even for macro purposes.

AF1: generally terrible
AF2: generally bad but the majority of new job (BLU/PUP/SCH/DNC) AF was really good
AF3: generally amazing, not sure there is one bad piece. WHM body is probably the closest you'll find.

SCH emp legs are horrible. ( this af3? i am not good with people using such terms, I am used to people saying af 1= first quest, af2 = second quest, af3 =last quest).

WHM body a lot better then sch legs lol, sch legs +2 is not worth the time of doing them.

A lot of AF where macros and became a lot more useful with af+1
relic and relic +1 where minimal improvement but some did have upgrades but still small.

full timing emp +2 is not smart, they are good, but not that good.


ATTN DEVS: WE WANT NEW WEAPONS FOR 99 NOT RELICS AND MYTHICS
Post on this if you do not want mythics and relics to be the best 99 weapons in game.


I don't. I think I can post if i disagree on something like how others do.

relics and mythics being the best weapons != relics and mythics being the only weapons

i take it that means =/= too?

anyways what this says, no reason for a 4th set.

unless you want emps to be weak and have some new weapon overpwerform emps but not mythics/ relics

[Bahamut]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).] Most people want to enjoy upgrading there weapons not having to wait 2 years begging people to help you. That's Why' relics do not need to be strongest weapons in the game.

Well said.

[TearValerin]

SCH emp legs are horrible. ( this af3? i am not good with people using such terms, I am used to people saying af 1= first quest, af2 = second quest, af3 =last quest).

WHM body a lot better then sch legs lol, sch legs +2 is not worth the time of doing them.

A lot of AF where macros and became a lot more useful with af+1
relic and relic +1 where minimal improvement but some did have upgrades but still small.

full timing emp +2 is not smart, they are good, but not that good.



I don't. I think I can post if i disagree on something like how others do.


i take it that means =/= too?

anyways what this says, no reason for a 4th set.

unless you want emps to be weak and have some new weapon overpwerform emps but not mythics/ relics

AF1 = artifact gear, from quests in 50s
AF2 = relic armor sets, like Saotome or Wyrm sets
AF3 = empyrean armor set.

[wish12oz]

Why don't you fuck off. I've been saying this since the first relic threads popped up when the forums first came up you fool. Another no mark scrub who couldn't make a relic so has to try to rubbish other peoples achievements thats all you are.

youmad?

Edit: Also: thought you were done posting here?

[lorzy]

i take it that means =/= too?

yes, it means not equal. i don't see at all how whether or not relics and mythics are the best weapons affects the casual player.

so the casual player won't have the BEST weapon in the game. why do they care, if they're a casual player?

i like empyreans. but i certainly won't be sad if they are still powerful, but not the best weapons. why? they didn't actually take that much effort. to me, ideally relics and mythics will be sidegrades or close (for damage; for other jobs they can be very different), and empyreans will be a bit behind.

[Rambus]

yes, it means not equal. i don't see at all how whether or not relics and mythics are the best weapons affects the casual player.

so the casual player won't have the BEST weapon in the game. why do they care, if they're a casual player?

i like empyreans. but i certainly won't be sad if they are still powerful, but not the best weapons. why? they didn't actually take that much effort. to me, ideally relics and mythics will be sidegrades or close (for damage; for other jobs they can be very different), and empyreans will be a bit behind.

I was tryin to ask that in all the other anti relic threads and never got an answer.
I can say this why it should be there, people that have more time need something to do

[Bahamut]

lol thats like the tenth time Michaeluk has told someone to F off, easy bud. Did you know the people who are the most unhappy are the most addicted to the game, research has found. That should be reason enough for SE to rethink this whole relic thing. Look at the people you empowering with best weapons. If you need help with your game addiction here is a link to go to. It'll help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1T9ZumALk

[Rambus]

lol thats like the tenth time Michaeluk has told someone to F off, easy bud. Did you know the people who are the most unhappy are the most addicted to the game, research has found. That should be reason enough for SE to rethink this whole relic thing. Look at the people you empowering with best weapons. If you need help with your game addiction here is a link to go to. It'll help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1T9ZumALk

umm fact/ opinion?
Where is the proof if fact?

see lorzy this is what I mean, dogged the question again

[lorzy]

umm fact/ opinion?
Where is the proof if fact?

see lorzy this is what I mean, doged the question again

uh i think he was joking lol

[Michaeluk]

lol thats like the tenth time Michaeluk has told someone to F off, easy bud. Did you know the people who are the most unhappy are the most addicted to the game, research has found. That should be reason enough for SE to rethink this whole relic thing. Look at the people you empowering with best weapons. If you need help with your game addiction here is a link to go to. It'll help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1T9ZumALk

At last you make a funny post /calp fellow galka.

I'd only ever tell someone that who was asking for it, after all did you see his inital hostile post to me, so i returned the favour and spoke to him like a piece of crap.

[Rambus]

uh i think he was joking lol

oh, i see, I dont know how to see joke/ real statement here><

[TearValerin]

yes, it means not equal. i don't see at all how whether or not relics and mythics are the best weapons affects the casual player.

so the casual player won't have the BEST weapon in the game. why do they care, if they're a casual player?

i like empyreans. but i certainly won't be sad if they are still powerful, but not the best weapons. why? they didn't actually take that much effort. to me, ideally relics and mythics will be sidegrades or close (for damage; for other jobs they can be very different), and empyreans will be a bit behind.

That's how it should be in my eyes, but a lot of people seem to disagree for some unknown reason.

[Bahamut]

oh, i see, I dont know how to see joke/ real statement here><

Rambus is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok

You remind me of this guy Rambus.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Why don't you fuck off. I've been saying this since the first relic threads popped up when the forums first came up you fool. Another no mark scrub who couldn't make a relic so has to try to rubbish other peoples achievements thats all you are.

your acting like a relic is so hard and special to make, its not..... it just takes alot of gil and time.

[Michaeluk]

your acting like a relic is so hard and special to make, its not..... it just takes alot of gil and time.

You are right they do take a lot of gil and time a lot more time and effort to make than a empyrean so what is your point ?

[Snaplin]

Why every time I come on these forums there's a new thread started by complete retards like this OP...

[lorzy]

Why every time I come on these forums there's a new thread started by complete retards like this OP...

because they're all the same OP

[Snaplin]

because they're all the same OP

haha might be true!

[wish12oz]

Why every time I come on these forums there's a new thread started by complete retards like this OP...

I'd bet money on lulz as the correct answer.

[Macrom]

Why every time I come on these forums there's a new thread started by complete retards like this OP...

wait for it....


because they're all the same OP

LOL.... BOOM!

[Unctgtg]

Bah is just trying to get his posts up

[lorzy]

You are right they do take a lot of gil and time a lot more time and effort to make than a empyrean so what is your point ?

while i don't completely disagree with everything you say, i think you're getting a little too defensive. people don't "fail the game" simply because they didn't make a relic, and when you say things like that it hurts your credibility.

[TearValerin]

Bah is just trying to get his posts up
As a relic drk, you should be shutting the OP up with his bs claims.

[Bahamut]

A comedy, parody from the movie "NETWORK" on this whole issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok

I dont have to tell you relics are bad, everyone knows relics are bad, its abyssea, everyones lvling up over night, getting gil like candy, emps are a weeks worth, punks like Bahamut are posting, 75 gear is worthless, and no one anywhere knows what to do about it. Everyone is acting like 10 75s is normal and double xp is the way its suppose to be. Its like everytthing is going crazy, we do emps and say please, give us our upgraded relics and mythics, and please just leave us alone in our computer rooms. We'll I'm not going to leave you alone, I want you to get mad... I dont want you to protest, I dont want you to write to the devs, I wouldnt know what I want you to write, Idk what to do about abyss, emps and all the double xp... but first you got to get mad. You got to say I HAVE A RELIC GDmit, MY RELIC HAS VALUE!!!

So I want you to post now, I want all of you to post now, open up the post window, and stick your relic out, and yell, I'M AS MAD AS HEL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!

[Kailea_Nagisa]

woh.... *takes a step back*

[lorzy]

I dont have to tell you relics are bad, everyone knows relics are bad, its abyssea, everyones lvling up over night, getting gil like candy, emps are a weeks worth, punks like Bahamut are posting, 75 gear is worthless, and no one anywhere knows what to do about it. Everyone is acting like 10 75s is normal and double xp is the way its suppose to be. Its crazy, we do emps and say please, give us our upgraded relics and mythics, and please just leave us alone. We'll I'm not going to leave you alone, I want you to get mad... I dont want you to protest, I dont want you to write to the devs, I wouldnt know what I want you to write, Idk what to do about abyss, emps and all the double xp... but first you got to get mad. You got to say I HAVE A RELIC GDmit, MY RELIC HAS VALUE!!!

So I want you to post now, I want all of you to post now, open up the post window, and stick your post out, and yell, I'M AS MAD AS HEL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok

so you admit you're just trying to annoy everyone?

[Bahamut]

so you admit you're just trying to annoy everyone?

You got to admit, your all taking this whole relic/mythic thing too seriously.

[Auredant]

I dont have to tell you relics are bad, everyone knows relics are bad, its abyssea, everyones lvling up over night, getting gil like candy, emps are a weeks worth, punks like Bahamut are posting, 75 gear is worthless, and no one anywhere knows what to do about it. Everyone is acting like 10 75s is normal and double xp is the way its suppose to be. Its crazy, we do emps and say please, give us our upgraded relics and mythics, and please just leave us alone in our computer rooms. We'll I'm not going to leave you alone, I want you to get mad... I dont want you to protest, I dont want you to write to the devs, I wouldnt know what I want you to write, Idk what to do about abyss, emps and all the double xp... but first you got to get mad. You got to say I HAVE A RELIC GDmit, MY RELIC HAS VALUE!!!

So I want you to post now, I want all of you to post now, open up the post window, and stick your post out, and yell, I'M AS MAD AS HEL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok
I think someone just had a psychotic break

[lorzy]

You got to admit, your all taking this whole relic/mythic thing too seriously.

says the person who makes two threads about it and won't shut up

[Bahamut]

so you admit you're just trying to annoy everyone?

actually I was thinking of adding this as my signature, do you like it?

[Bahamut]

A comedy, parody from the movie "NETWORK" on this whole issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok

I dont have to tell you relics are bad, everyone knows relics are bad, its abyssea, everyones lvling up over night, getting gil like candy, emps are a weeks worth, punks like Bahamut are posting, 75 gear is worthless, and no one anywhere knows what to do about it. Everyone is acting like 10 75s is normal and double xp is the way its suppose to be. Its like everytthing is going crazy, we do emps and say please, give us our upgraded relics and mythics, and please just leave us alone in our computer rooms. We'll I'm not going to leave you alone, I want you to get mad... I dont want you to protest, I dont want you to write to the devs, I wouldnt know what I want you to write, Idk what to do about abyss, emps and all the double xp... but first you got to get mad. You got to say I HAVE A RELIC GDmit, MY RELIC HAS VALUE!!!

So I want you to post now, I want all of you to post now, open up the post window, and stick your relic out, and yell, I'M AS MAD AS HEL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!!

That was funny. And describes everyone whos been postingn about relic upgrades.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Snaplin please make that smaller or remove it -.- that is WAY to big for a sig.........
on a side not the post in said sig is sad and disgusting.

[Mnejing]

Snaplin please make that smaller or remove it -.- that is WAY to big for a sig.........
on a side not the post in said sig is sad and disgusting.

Adblock block images works wonders for outrageous long sigs.

[TearValerin]

Bahamut, you are the most bipolar poster I have ever seen... Snaplin change that sig for the love of god.

[Neofire]

Why don't you fuck off. I've been saying this since the first relic threads popped up when the forums first came up you fool. Another no mark scrub who couldn't make a relic so has to try to rubbish other peoples achievements thats all you are.
Tell you what, when you come and try to take my keyboard I'm going to tell it like it is. And i couldnt care less about people with relics and that goes for anyone who thinks they are superior to everyone who didn't waste countless hours on a weapon that was to become outdated.

[Michaeluk]

Tell you what, when you come and try to take my keyboard I'm going to tell it like it is. And i couldnt care less about people with relics and that goes for anyone who thinks they are superior to everyone who didn't waste countless hours on a weapon that was to become outdated.

I think i spy a e-thug in the makeing.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Support new system

Out with the old in with the new.. at least till lvl 99.. then stop ;p

[Zaknafein]

Obtaining a relic has never been a goal of mine, and I've been playing since the NA ps2 release. Over those years I've seen plenty of dirty underhanded schemes of greedy asshole's who will throw anyone under the bus to further their relic dreams. Seen my fair share of people who bought hordes of gil for their multiple relics yet still fail to use them or gear their jobs properly. While those people are retarded, and highly annoying they don't represent the entire relic community.

I've also seen dedicated players who know their jobs. Who have completed relics over time fairly, and justly the way the developers intended, and while I still had no aspirations to do this myself.... My hat is off to those people for their perseverance. I have zero jealousy, and/or a problem with their relic marginally out performing my empy at 99 when things start to shake out, and become balanced.

Long term achievements used to mean something in this game. Leveling your job from 1-75 used to be an achievement. While Abyssea has been a breath of fresh air in many ways it has also caused an influx of whiny, no attention span having, instant gratifiers. That used to be the difference between FFXI, and Wow. The fact that those lines are being blurred nowadays has caused a significant portion of the userbase to lose interest.

If that sort of behavior is encouraged for 91-99 even these whiny little snot nosed brats will become jaded, and burnt out once they plow thru everything the game has to offer at a previously unheard of rate. Here's to hoping SE puts an end to this instant gratification sense of entitlement Abyssea has created when they roll out the 91-99 content.

[Frost]

Do you remember how hard it was getting people to help you get your AF 1 set of gear the first time around? It was bloody hard. Then at 75 all of that gear became second rate to wear, making its way to macro'd use because AF2 and +1 gear was the norm for lvl 75.

"If I had difficulty, everyone did." Just because you had a hard time, doesn't immediately validate the premise that everyone did. Then you follow an open premise that goes nowhere. You make no inference either way when you state the AF1 gear becoming obsolete.


Relics by far was the most expensive, cut throat, drama, and painful thing in the game to get. Was it a faiir value of time compared to reward? Most definatly not. Even back in the early days of FFXI it wasnt worth (time spent = reward) getting because of the cost, and all that drama that surrounded getting one. But some people thought, since they want to have the best of the best gear, they would bow before the SE devs and prove they could get one. Your reward was you got to walk around with the best weapon in the entire game while you were 75.

Poisoning the well... Telling the reader the expected outcome before they had a chance to come up with their own opinions. Typically used by control freaks to block discussion before it happens. The first flaw in this: You've stated yourself that you don't have a relic. Yet you speak with the voice of experience. You do not have any personal knowledge of the trials and triumphs one experiences getting a relic. And you cannot infer it was one way or another if either you selectively listen to only one side or only hear about the one side. It's like the guy that "always complains about his job", because when his job is going well, there's nothing to complain about.


The level cap was not raised for well over 8 years. Which is very rare for any mmo to not have a level increase in that amount of time. You were able to run around a game being the best of the best for that long depending on how early after release you got it. You had atleast a years warning that the level increase to 99 was going to happen. So if you chose to get your relic during that time, you had a fair warning that your weapon was going to be obsolete in one year, and you should try for it at your own risk.

Failed argument again, assumed premise: "You knew the level cap was increasing, therefore you knew your weapon would be obsolete." Did you forget that they also assured us that relics would remain the best weapon? I wouldn't assume they would be considering the drastic change, but i most definitely wouldn't assume the inverse. Absence of one premise does not prove the existence of the another.


Farming for O-hat was a pain in the butt. It would usually take days to get, then you had to get someone to craft your eyeballs, and an entire alliance to help you kill a monster for it. It was a pain in the butt to get everyone together to do it, but those who decided that they wanted to be the best of the best for head gear, went through all that trouble just to get the O-hat. Thier reward was being able to have the best head gear in the game for as long as they were 75.

The list could go on with every item that SE said lets make the (time spent = reward) so far out that it wasnt worth the time spent. SE did this with almost every aspect of the FFXI game. emp hairpin, lizzy boots, back in the day or when gil sellers would farm your sky spawn items making it weeks for average shells to obtain.

So it's not just relics, and finally the first, "floating", paragraph is brought into context. Your view on this is so far, judging by your use of absolutes: "Everything that takes effort to get in FFXI is unrewarding." I think the real problem here is that you dissociate accomplishment from reward. Since you play WoW Might I point out the Whale Shark as a conceptual model? A monster that takes a ridiculous about of manpower to take down for what could be best described as an insult for the reward. I've killed nearly every NM in this game, and rarely if ever for the drops. I wanted to do it for the sake of doing it.


Things were not fun all the time to get and I really do feel your pain if you did not buy gil or step on people to get these items. I think what every relic holder should be happy about, is that these days of timespent does not equal reward are over and happy weapons like emps exist. That xp got easier to obtain. That people can have more haste easier now. That more people can be good geared and better hitting without spending years to get to this point.

Appealing to compassion late in the game. You're pandering and back pedaling in the face of conflicting information. You said originally all relic holders are mean selfish people that back-stab and step on everyone to get what they want basically, now you're changing your tune mid fight? And you're inferring by association that peopel are then not screwing each other to get empyreans? There's people boasting about the bots they used to get claims, stealing pops, using programs to see the ??? before it pops, etc. And you think that's "better"? By no means do I include everyone that got an Empyrean into that, for it really is a minority, as was the minority of relic holders being back-stabbing greedy people.


If SE decides tommarow to make the best lvl 99 weapon in game accessable to everyone with only 1 or 2 months of farming mobs, whats so wrong with that? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in the game is happy and can help you fight things and missions with great weapons and gear? Do you have to be the only people who are better then everyone else based on an old system of time spent does not equal reward system? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in a shell is rewarded as euqally as you are?

If you want to take relics and say because of time spent wasnt worth the reward and apply it to experience points, well then by all fairness I should be asking SE to give me Ten Jobs for free because I leveled one Job to max lvl the slow time spent way.

I'm glad we moved past these days where time spent did not equal the reward and moving to a more time spent = the reward. I do not feel the need to ask for my time spent in those days to be rewarded in the days that are now going to be much much more worth time spent = reward.

Are you also forgetting the concept: "Maybe it's too easy" ?
Is the 'Reward to Work' ratio really balanced in this case? Would people be willing to work harder for the Empyreans? Would it be "Worth the effort" if all you had to do was talk to the moogle at start and get one, free of charge? No I am not asking 'straw man' arguments, it's legitimate to bracket the concept to define "reasonable". In short, I would say personally, the pendulum had swung so far to the other side, and thing are still imbalanced, just in the more favorable way. Am I angry? No, I like getting gear, but what I liked more was the challenges and the accomplishments, and those are lacking slightly.


Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in the game is happy and can help you fight things and missions with great weapons and gear?

I'll let you answer that, you already did, it was a long time ago but I think I can find the quote:


Do you remember how hard it was getting people to help you get your AF 1 set of gear the first time around? It was bloody hard. Then at 75 all of that gear became second rate to wear, making its way to macro'd use because AF2 and +1 gear was the norm for lvl 75.

You're arguing both sides of the coin. I thought you were trolling because you did that in nearly every post, now I know otherwise. No one argues like this without either being completely incompetent or a troll. "I hate vanilla ice cream! But only when it's not vanilla ice cream! And only then do I hate it if it is!"

I've helped several people get their Empyreans, Relics, O-Hats, etc. And the reason why as I have stated before is because of the sense of accomplishment. More-so it's because it's a group effort. I am happy to see other people get their stuff. A LOT of people are like me, I dare say, the majority are. These people that you talk about being stomped on and what-not? Do you know a lot of them just want to help? That a lot of them really don't care about having a relic? That a lot of them are there for the adventure? Or they just want to help out that guy that's always helping everyone? Maybe you've been on the outside looking in too often. Judging by how you come off here, you're probably even avoided. I can understand why you feel these group efforts are hard and unrewarding, because for you integrating is the hardest part. You have no sense of community in th classic definition, and you neither hear nor listen; you only care about the words coming out of your mouth. Stop being so mean-spirited, combative, aggressive, repulsive, and instead be more inquisitive, supportive, communicative, and you will find a lot of these Effort to Reward ratios are VERY rewarding.

Can you say that any relic horn owner is really "selfish"? C'mon... Do you realize that relics help other people too? They make getting gear for other people easier.

So again, your view is narrow and Nihilistic, and an insult to most everyone that has to read your propaganda. You're not "fighting for the little guy" you're insulting their intelligence by assuming "they're the little guy".

[Rambus]

I just reread the title, why does it have "we want" in it? anyone view the tag for this thread? I just noticed it

it is a troll thread.

[Unctgtg]

As a relic drk, you should be shutting the OP up with his bs claims.

I know they are fixing them now, hence why I have stopped posting nearly all together, but whats funny is he continuely posts junk. After the first 50 or so posts it gets annoying, wish I could filter out him.

[Flunklesnarkin]

This thread seems reasonable enough to me.. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).]
Many people do want an entirely new system and not be chained to old content like dynamis or salvage


I vote for a new system.. new endgame content.. down with dynamis

[Randwolf]

Even if I agreed with the OP, and maybe I do, posting pretty much the same topic thread time after time would make me want to disagree with anything he said.

[Bigboy]

Just as a reminder to those who think relics are unobtainable. Dynamis is being reworked to a zone you can work with as a party. Declaring relics unobtainable in the current state of the game, might be true for you at this moment, but the future patch may change that. Once that happens, I will be interested to see how many people will still be making the argument that they don't want relics any more. It is a ways off, but they have at least proclaimed the intention.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

This thread seems reasonable enough to me..[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).] Many people do want an entirely new system and not be chained to old content like dynamis or salvage


I vote for a new system.. new endgame content.. down with dynamisWow. I agree with Flunk. lol

[Detoxy]

Post on this if you do not want mythics and relics to be the best 99 weapons in game.

Do you remember how hard it was getting people to help you get your AF 1 set of gear the first time around? It was bloody hard. Then at 75 all of that gear became second rate to wear, making its way to macro'd use because AF2 and +1 gear was the norm for lvl 75.

Relics by far was the most expensive, cut throat, drama, and painful thing in the game to get. Was it a faiir value of time compared to reward? Most definatly not. Even back in the early days of FFXI it wasnt worth (time spent = reward) getting because of the cost, and all that drama that surrounded getting one. But some people thought, since they want to have the best of the best gear, they would bow before the SE devs and prove they could get one. Your reward was you got to walk around with the best weapon in the entire game while you were 75.

The level cap was not raised for well over 8 years. Which is very rare for any mmo to not have a level increase in that amount of time. You were able to run around a game being the best of the best for that long depending on how early after release you got it. You had atleast a years warning that the level increase to 99 was going to happen. So if you chose to get your relic during that time, you had a fair warning that your weapon was going to be obsolete in one year, and you should try for it at your own risk.

Farming for O-hat was a pain in the butt. It would usually take days to get, then you had to get someone to craft your eyeballs, and an entire alliance to help you kill a monster for it. It was a pain in the butt to get everyone together to do it, but those who decided that they wanted to be the best of the best for head gear, went through all that trouble just to get the O-hat. Thier reward was being able to have the best head gear in the game for as long as they were 75.

The list could go on with every item that SE said lets make the (time spent = reward) so far out that it wasnt worth the time spent. SE did this with almost every aspect of the FFXI game. emp hairpin, lizzy boots, back in the day or when gil sellers would farm your sky spawn items making it weeks for average shells to obtain.

Things were not fun all the time to get and I really do feel your pain if you did not buy gil or step on people to get these items. I think what every relic holder should be happy about, is that these days of timespent does not equal reward are over and happy weapons like emps exist. That xp got easier to obtain. That people can have more haste easier now. That more people can be good geared and better hitting without spending years to get to this point.

If SE decides tommarow to make the best lvl 99 weapon in game accessable to everyone with only 1 or 2 months of farming mobs, whats so wrong with that? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in the game is happy and can help you fight things and missions with great weapons and gear? Do you have to be the only people who are better then everyone else based on an old system of time spent does not equal reward system? Why wouldnt you be happy that everyone in a shell is rewarded as euqally as you are?

If you want to take relics and say because of time spent wasnt worth the reward and apply it to experience points, well then by all fairness I should be asking SE to give me Ten Jobs for free because I leveled one Job to max lvl the slow time spent way.

I'm glad we moved past these days where time spent did not equal the reward and moving to a more time spent = the reward. I do not feel the need to ask for my time spent in those days to be rewarded in the days that are now going to be much much more worth time spent = reward.

o look another thread bashing mythic and relic u know if ur crying about it its because u cant obtain 1 all u want is a ez to get overpowered weapon so stop crying and get some real work done for a chng

[Frost]

This thread seems reasonable enough to me..[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).] Many people do want an entirely new system and not be chained to old content like dynamis or salvage


I vote for a new system.. new endgame content.. down with dynamis

Au contraire. If you actually read my posts you'd know they are on topic.

But as you stated elsewhere, you don't read posts if they are too long so I can assume why you'd come to that conclusion.

[Bigboy]

This thread seems reasonable enough to me..[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines (http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=20&la=1).] Many people do want an entirely new system and not be chained to old content like dynamis or salvage


I vote for a new system.. new endgame content.. down with dynamis

Who are the many people? And how is discussing the topic derailing it? Please, explain yourself. I am very interested to know where you get your information from. Knowing what everyone, or even a majority of players want out of the game would be a huge asset to SE, and if you are hiding your source, it seems like it would be self defeating.

Please, tell us where you get this knowledge. I need to know, or I might make posts that sound like I am speaking for everyone when I really don't know what I am talking about. I want to be informed, I need it.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I already posted this in the feedback / suggestion thread...

but everybody claiming to have the desires of 90% of the ffxi community on their side are delusional..

There is no way you can know the desires of the community without some form of poll..

and most people won't bother posting in threads because they think its pointless to cry about what may or may not be.


A poll system would help people gauge the interest in certain changes.. doesn't even have to be complicated...

A simple bar chart that display results would be super awesome and get rid of a lot of the

"I speak for the community" type threads.

[Frost]

I already posted this in the feedback / suggestion thread...

but everybody claiming to have the desires of 90% of the ffxi community on their side are delusional..

There is no way you can know the desires of the community without some form of poll..

and most people won't bother posting in threads because they think its pointless to cry about what may or may not be.


A poll system would help people gauge the interest in certain changes.. doesn't even have to be complicated...

A simple bar chart that display results would be super awesome and get rid of a lot of the

"I speak for the community" type threads.

Do you speak for the community when you say this?

[Flunklesnarkin]

Do you speak for the community when you say this?

I think i speak for common sense when i suggest this..

The way to gauge peoples views on a subject is a poll...

I hardly considered this a controversial idea.. unless information scares you?

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[Baccanale]

Greetings, everyone!
It seems that there was another thread like this one that was started earlier, so I will make sure to lock this thread. If you would like to further discuss this matter, please go this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3182-Please-get-rid-of-relics?highlight=rid+relics

Thank you for your participation!